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Lloyd Orfay wrote:

I think I know what would be a first very major step to making the game better.
Instead of changing weapon stats, or anything, why not give the weapons proper recoil and dispersion?

I found out that if certain weapons have a specific level of dispersion they might work better compared to precise weapons.(Precise weapons can make player error stand out more than we are used to) Recoil would be used to offset dispersion, which puts a balance into the weapon and makes it where it can be more efficient but makes the player rely on the player instead of the weapon. Basically make the guns act like guns so this way the weapons don't have to be so hyper efficient anymore.

Some weapons may have the proper recoil when aiming, although not in hipfire or have the proper dispersal.. Not only this it may also be better for the weapons to follow the law of being harder to use the stronger it is. This could instead re-purpose the skill bonuses such as 5% less kick on a gun or such make it bearable instead stronger.

This way players will all shift on weaponry that suits them once this changes and or adapt to the weapons, play better and smarter to the benefit of the rest of the team, and single players out that use exploitable unconventional methods of getting major kills(Like 1 hit doom players). This may make players survive much better, but if it doesn't we could try this and then throw it some slight changes to weapon damage type bonuses or eHP and see what happens.

You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.

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TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 365	Posted - 2014.08.13 12:54:00 - [31] - Quote Zindorak wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Gee whiz if there were only weapons that excelled against armor. I don't know, maybe some kind of grenade launcher or a hybrid-rail style automatic weapon. That sure would be swell. Ikr it's like a weapon with a 95/115 profile doesn't exist to combat both shield and armor tankers Tl; lr use a damn combat rifle you scrub That's what I figured ignore the dilemma that a TAC AR was considered OP with lesser stats then the ScR. The bias has always existed. Tac AR is crap. ScR shouldn't be compared to it. Duvolle and Viziam are the most balanced proto racial weapons Guessing you weren't around for the Tac AR pre-nerf. It behaved like the ScR and players bitched to no end until it was nerfed, the ScR has remained the same because bias. Amarr rpers have always been very loud on these forums. Only thing ever changed on the Amarr are the heavies and the laser rifles and suprise suprise they got un-nerfed.
Zindorak 1.U.P 608	Posted - 2014.08.13 12:54:00 - [32] - Quote TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Zindorak wrote: TYCHUS MAXWELL wrote: Nocturnal Soul wrote: Ripley Riley wrote: Gee whiz if there were only weapons that excelled against armor. I don't know, maybe some kind of grenade launcher or a hybrid-rail style automatic weapon. That sure would be swell. Ikr it's like a weapon with a 95/115 profile doesn't exist to combat both shield and armor tankers Tl; lr use a damn combat rifle you scrub That's what I figured ignore the dilemma that a TAC AR was considered OP with lesser stats then the ScR. The bias has always existed. Tac AR is crap. ScR shouldn't be compared to it. Duvolle and Viziam are the most balanced proto racial weapons Guessing you weren't around for the Tac AR pre-nerf. It behaved like the ScR and players bitched to no end until it was nerfed, the ScR has remained the same because bias. Amarr rpers have always been very loud on these forums. Only thing ever changed on the Amarr are the heavies and the laser rifles and suprise suprise they got un-nerfed. Cool Pokemon master
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1315	Posted - 2014.08.13 12:56:00 - [33] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: That still doesn't work, because the moment you get shot, you're dead. If you are going down that fast, that means you are either a)not moving, b) equipping no tank, or c) up against a mythical shooter who got perfect hits all the way on your 1m move to cover. a) and b) are both your fault and c) is a unicorn. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead. Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
Zindorak 1.U.P 608	Posted - 2014.08.13 12:58:00 - [34] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: JRleo jr wrote: That still doesn't work, because the moment you get shot, you're dead. If you are going down that fast, that means you are either a)not moving, b) equipping no tank, or c) up against a mythical shooter who got perfect hits all the way on your 1m move to cover. a) and b) are both your fault and c) is a unicorn. there is also d which is you just suck at the game Pokemon master
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 644	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:00:00 - [35] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Oh and to other people, there are people who only have amarr suits and caldari suits, the people who use caldari have no counter vs the scr. Rail rifle? Has a little charge up, low rof, and not as much dps vs scr. 800k SP to get into any advanced suit. If you can't figure out how to use your weapon of choice and suit of choice then you need to think about it some more. Maybe rushing headfirst into a suit with more HP carrying a weapon designed to mess your type of suit up isn't the best plan. Shield tankers are supposed to be kitey, so maybe you should start there. 800k sp, that would take around a month and I don't want to use overpowered armor tanking, nor should I became someone uses and overpowered gun. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 644	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:02:00 - [36] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: JRleo jr wrote: That still doesn't work, because the moment you get shot, you're dead. If you are going down that fast, that means you are either a)not moving, b) equipping no tank, or c) up against a mythical shooter who got perfect hits all the way on your 1m move to cover. a) and b) are both your fault and c) is a unicorn. Have you ever even used a shield suit vs a competent scr user? And when I I've used the scr, I almost never missed, because its hipfire, and I kill them instantly, standerd level. It gets worse at oroto and with prof. Oh and my shields are 528, and no, I'm an alicorn, not an unicorn. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1315	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:07:00 - [37] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: Have you ever even used a shield suit vs a competent scr user? And when I I've used the scr, I almost never missed, because its hipfire, and I kill them instantly, standerd level. It gets worse at oroto and with prof. Oh and my shields are 528, and no, I'm an alicorn, not an unicorn. Yes, proto Cal suits(Scout/logi/Assault) with prof 5 rails, always did just fine. If you have this alleged perfect aim, then you are merely failing in range control. Which is odd, because your suit is faster and more agile. Since you are so pro with the scram, slap it on a Caldari suit and **** face. If you were equally perfect with a RR or CR then armor tankers would present no problem. Stop lying to yourself. If you were half as good as you pretend to be the CR/RR combo would be most effective. It isn't becausre you aren't. Deal with it. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead. Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1317	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:11:00 - [38] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: 800k sp, that would take around a month and I don't want to use overpowered armor tanking, nor should I became someone uses and overpowered gun. 800k is two caps. You don't have to use armor tanking. You could always change up and go into scouting, to increase your speed advantage versus those nasty Amarrians. You ever RE a pair of heavies and their logi? Hilarious. All that Scrambler DPS doesn't mean squat when they get juiced. You know what also is less than pleasant for an slow armor suit? Getting forged from a roof top. Caldari heavy excels in that role. Oh you want your shield suit to stand in a face to face fight with a person carrying the weapon that is designed to win that fight and come out on top instead of playing to your suits strengths? Here, have a cup of HTFU. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead. Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
Lloyd Orfay Fantom Company 21	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:11:00 - [39] - Quote I think I know what would be a first very major step to making the game better. Instead of changing weapon stats, or anything, why not give the weapons proper recoil and dispersion? I found out that if certain weapons have a specific level of dispersion they might work better compared to precise weapons.(Precise weapons can make player error stand out more than we are used to) Recoil would be used to offset dispersion, which puts a balance into the weapon and makes it where it can be more efficient but makes the player rely on the player instead of the weapon. Basically make the guns act like guns so this way the weapons don't have to be so hyper efficient anymore. Some weapons may have the proper recoil when aiming, although not in hipfire or have the proper dispersal.. Not only this it may also be better for the weapons to follow the law of being harder to use the stronger it is. This could instead re-purpose the skill bonuses such as 5% less kick on a gun or such make it bearable instead stronger. This way players will all shift on weaponry that suits them once this changes and or adapt to the weapons, play better and smarter to the benefit of the rest of the team, and single players out that use exploitable unconventional methods of getting major kills(Like 1 hit doom players). This may make players survive much better, but if it doesn't we could try this and then throw it some slight changes to weapon damage type bonuses or eHP and see what happens. "Lloyd could you teach me how to play dust 514?" "GIT GUD SCRUB!" "But I don't see how scrubb-" "GET STREET CRED SCREB!"
Sum1ne Else Fatal Absolution 1335	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:12:00 - [40] - Quote LOL - All I heard before the patch was Caldari Assault this Caldari assault that and the Rail Rifle is gonna tear through your 800 armour...well I think this is still happening, its just the guys with Amarr assaults and SCR have had them since they can remember but their dropsuits were hung in the closet because of the scouts. In turn, they have been running scout. Now there are less scouts, the assaults will come out and play. From the one or two games I played TTK is extremely high, and everybody was killing everybody. The amarr is not FoTM, you are probably up against very good SCR users. Longest PLC Kill - 193.71m *Logi mk.0 - Com gk.0 - Scout gk.0 - Ass ak.0*

Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui Kyoudai Furinkazan 1057	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:35:00 - [41] - Quote Lloyd Orfay wrote: I think I know what would be a first very major step to making the game better. Instead of changing weapon stats, or anything, why not give the weapons proper recoil and dispersion? I found out that if certain weapons have a specific level of dispersion they might work better compared to precise weapons.(Precise weapons can make player error stand out more than we are used to) Recoil would be used to offset dispersion, which puts a balance into the weapon and makes it where it can be more efficient but makes the player rely on the player instead of the weapon. Basically make the guns act like guns so this way the weapons don't have to be so hyper efficient anymore. Some weapons may have the proper recoil when aiming, although not in hipfire or have the proper dispersal.. Not only this it may also be better for the weapons to follow the law of being harder to use the stronger it is. This could instead re-purpose the skill bonuses such as 5% less kick on a gun or such make it bearable instead stronger. This way players will all shift on weaponry that suits them once this changes and or adapt to the weapons, play better and smarter to the benefit of the rest of the team, and single players out that use exploitable unconventional methods of getting major kills(Like 1 hit doom players). This may make players survive much better, but if it doesn't we could try this and then throw it some slight changes to weapon damage type bonuses or eHP and see what happens. Interesting . Nice way to look at things . You would think that CCP would have given the infantry refund that should have been in 1.8.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 193	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:36:00 - [42] - Quote Tldr. No one in this thread should be taken seriously when it comes to discussing balance. Shields are hit and run. Maybe your style fits armour, which is basically what you admitted by this thread. Service with a smile
Kam Elto KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 427	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:39:00 - [43] - Quote Good times are here my Amarrian brothers. Good times.
BlazeXYZ xCosmic Voidx Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive 146	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:41:00 - [44] - Quote Soooo how's the minmatar assualt. Are they a strong force in the battlefeild or are they being swept the hell out of a triple dmg viziam scrambler rifles. The Blazing Intellect Machine
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 644	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:45:00 - [45] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Have you ever even used a shield suit vs a competent scr user? And when I I've used the scr, I almost never missed, because its hipfire, and I kill them instantly, standerd level. It gets worse at oroto and with prof. Oh and my shields are 528, and no, I'm an alicorn, not an unicorn. Yes, proto Cal suits(Scout/logi/Assault) with prof 5 rails, always did just fine. If you have this alleged perfect aim, then you are merely failing in range control. Which is odd, because your suit is faster and more agile. Since you are so pro with the scram, slap it on a Caldari suit and **** face. If you were equally perfect with a RR or CR then armor tankers would present no problem. Stop lying to yourself. If you were half as good as you pretend to be the CR/RR combo would be most effective. It isn't becausre you aren't. Deal with it. The rail rifle doesn't have the dos to down a high armor person in time, and if I get shot while trying to fall back you die. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 644	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:48:00 - [46] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: JRleo jr wrote: 800k sp, that would take around a month and I don't want to use overpowered armor tanking, nor should I became someone uses and overpowered gun. 800k is two caps. You don't have to use armor tanking. You could always change up and go into scouting, to increase your speed advantage versus those nasty Amarrians. You ever RE a pair of heavies and their logi? Hilarious. All that Scrambler DPS doesn't mean squat when they get juiced. You know what also is less than pleasant for an slow armor suit? Getting forged from a roof top. Caldari heavy excels in that role. Oh you want your shield suit to stand in a face to face fight with a person carrying the weapon that is designed to win that fight and come out on top instead of playing to your suits strengths? Here, have a cup of HTFU. So because someone has a certain weapon they get to be op and instawin? Hardly fair, especially if I'm using proto. And in that case the cal assault is underpowered if I need a scout. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1320	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:49:00 - [47] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: The rail rifle doesn't have the dos to down a high armor person in time, and if I get shot while trying to fall back you die. OK I get it, it can't be your fault. Sorry for doubting you. Obviously, you are super elite, and the game has been completely broken because you are no longer able to dominate or something equally ridiculous. If I could be motivated to care I would look up your stats and get a good laugh. Probably have a K/D around 1 and a WP/D of less than 100, just from the whining factor in your post. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead. Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 644	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:50:00 - [48] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: LOL - All I heard before the patch was Caldari Assault this Caldari assault that and the Rail Rifle is gonna tear through your 800 armour...well I think this is still happening, its just the guys with Amarr assaults and SCR have had them since they can remember but their dropsuits were hung in the closet because of the scouts. In turn, they have been running scout. Now there are less scouts, the assaults will come out and play. From the one or two games I played TTK is extremely high, and everybody was killing everybody. The amarr is not FoTM, you are probably up against very good SCR users. Not really, it doesn't take skill to 7 shot shield suits. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 412	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:50:00 - [49] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Have you ever even used a shield suit vs a competent scr user? And when I I've used the scr, I almost never missed, because its hipfire, and I kill them instantly, standerd level. It gets worse at oroto and with prof. Oh and my shields are 528, and no, I'm an alicorn, not an unicorn. Yes, proto Cal suits(Scout/logi/Assault) with prof 5 rails, always did just fine. If you have this alleged perfect aim, then you are merely failing in range control. Which is odd, because your suit is faster and more agile. Since you are so pro with the scram, slap it on a Caldari suit and **** face. If you were equally perfect with a RR or CR then armor tankers would present no problem. Stop lying to yourself. If you were half as good as you pretend to be the CR/RR combo would be most effective. It isn't becausre you aren't. Deal with it. The rail rifle doesn't have the dos to down a high armor person in time, and if I get shot while trying to fall back you die. Yes it does. Everyone here knows it does. Out in the open that armour suit is a sitting duck.
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 644	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:51:00 - [50] - Quote RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Tldr. No one in this thread should be taken seriously when it comes to discussing balance. Shields are hit and run. Maybe your style fits armour, which is basically what you admitted by this thread. How can I hit and run if the split second I'm shot im basically dead? Its shield bonus damage needs to be tuned down to 10% so it doesn't do 100 damage per shot. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.

JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 644	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:52:00 - [51] - Quote GeneralButtNaked wrote: JRleo jr wrote: The rail rifle doesn't have the dos to down a high armor person in time, and if I get shot while trying to fall back you die. OK I get it, it can't be your fault. Sorry for doubting you. Obviously, you are super elite, and the game has been completely broken because you are no longer able to dominate or something equally ridiculous. If I could be motivated to care I would look up your stats and get a good laugh. Probably have a K/D around 1 and a WP/D of less than 100, just from the whining factor in your post. 2.20 kd actually and I mostly solo. And all I want is the scr to not instapwn shields. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 3165	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:53:00 - [52] - Quote So another words I better put away my cal ass and pull out my Amarr ass. This is why I have all assaults proto. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
JRleo jr Xer Cloud Consortium 644	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:53:00 - [53] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: JRleo jr wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: JRleo jr wrote: Have you ever even used a shield suit vs a competent scr user? And when I I've used the scr, I almost never missed, because its hipfire, and I kill them instantly, standerd level. It gets worse at oroto and with prof. Oh and my shields are 528, and no, I'm an alicorn, not an unicorn. Yes, proto Cal suits(Scout/logi/Assault) with prof 5 rails, always did just fine. If you have this alleged perfect aim, then you are merely failing in range control. Which is odd, because your suit is faster and more agile. Since you are so pro with the scram, slap it on a Caldari suit and **** face. If you were equally perfect with a RR or CR then armor tankers would present no problem. Stop lying to yourself. If you were half as good as you pretend to be the CR/RR combo would be most effective. It isn't becausre you aren't. Deal with it. The rail rifle doesn't have the dos to down a high armor person in time, and if I get shot while trying to fall back you die. Yes it does. Everyone here knows it does. Out in the open that armour suit is a sitting duck. Yes, but not every armor suit is in the open, if they are 20m near you, you're kinda screwed unless you really flank them, which I've done, still, the scr has too high shield damage. Max level brony. Pink fluffy unicorns http://youtu.be/C34BzC7rnos Best song ever.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 3165	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:54:00 - [54] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: GeneralButtNaked wrote: JRleo jr wrote: The rail rifle doesn't have the dos to down a high armor person in time, and if I get shot while trying to fall back you die. OK I get it, it can't be your fault. Sorry for doubting you. Obviously, you are super elite, and the game has been completely broken because you are no longer able to dominate or something equally ridiculous. If I could be motivated to care I would look up your stats and get a good laugh. Probably have a K/D around 1 and a WP/D of less than 100, just from the whining factor in your post. 2.20 kd actually and I mostly solo. And all I want is the scr to not instapwn shields. Make it 110/90 instead of 120/80 Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1320	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:55:00 - [55] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: So because someone has a certain weapon they get to be op and instawin? Hardly fair, especially if I'm using proto. And in that case the cal assault is underpowered if I need a scout. If you refuse to play to your suits role, enjoy getting eaten up. If you choose to use a hit and run suit in a crash the gate fashion, enjoy getting ventilated for being an idiot. You chose to spec into a skirmishing suit and role. If you then don't play in such a manner, who is to blame? You are faster, with a longer range weapon, greater mobility, and you don't need another player to rep you. If you can't make that work, get a different role, one that you can actually do. I suggested a scout as an option to alter your playstyle because you seem locked into this mindset of assault suit = brawler. That is not the case, and until you realize that and specinto a suit that makes sense for the role you actually want to play then you won't be happy. ugggggh, damn you jump clone timer. why am I here. Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead. Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
GeneralButtNaked Fatal Absolution 1320	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:56:00 - [56] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: 2.20 kd actually and I mostly solo. And all I want is the scr to not instapwn shields. WP/D? That is the one that matters to me. All you want is for your suit to play outside its role and win. That isn't asking much is it? Real AV doesn't stop until all the tanks are dead. Mr Hybrid Vayu, tanker supreme.
Freccia di Lybra Maphia Clan Corporation 236	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:57:00 - [57] - Quote The problem with the scrambler is that it does instapwn shield, but with charged shot. For anything else, except scramblers and lasers, The Cal pro is one of the best suits, if you use it as a shield tanking suit (pre-cromosome, anyone?) Ei fu, xxwhitedevilxx former Co-CEO Maphia Clan Corporation / Unit Unicorn
TYCHUS MAXWELL The Fun Police 370	Posted - 2014.08.13 13:58:00 - [58] - Quote Sum1ne Else wrote: LOL - All I heard before the patch was Caldari Assault this Caldari assault that and the Rail Rifle is gonna tear through your 800 armour...well I think this is still happening, its just the guys with Amarr assaults and SCR have had them since they can remember but their dropsuits were hung in the closet because of the scouts. In turn, they have been running scout. Now there are less scouts, the assaults will come out and play. From the one or two games I played TTK is extremely high, and everybody was killing everybody. The amarr is not FoTM, you are probably up against very good SCR users. I don't agree with the OP that there is anything wrong with the amarr assault, however I think the real perpetrator of why people feel the amarr is op is that they tend to use the ScR. I have actually made a militia gallente scout (Intentionally making it vulnerable to combat rifles/rail rifles) and fitted it with a militia scrambler rifle. I have no trouble killing suits even at adv level with boundless CRs in CQC and likewise no issue mowing down RRs at range. I have prof 4 in the scrambler rifle and can pretty easily squeeze out 16 shots before overheating. That is 2 less then the TAC AR which is an adv weapon and not militia. No one will answer this as this is a question that has been asked over and over on the forums since the TAC AR nerf, why are THOSE stats on a TAC AR OP to the forum community but the SAME stats on a ScR is all okay? Overheating? If I had prof 5 I would easily be squeezing out the same amount of shots that the TAC AR has per clip and I would still be okay. Time and time again its this quaint excuse of "The Amarr are so used to using ScR's that they are just so good with them." Get that **** out of here.
RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 194	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:00:00 - [59] - Quote JRleo jr wrote: RogueTrooper 2000AD wrote: Tldr. No one in this thread should be taken seriously when it comes to discussing balance. Shields are hit and run. Maybe your style fits armour, which is basically what you admitted by this thread. How can I hit and run if the split second I'm shot im basically dead? Its shield bonus damage needs to be tuned down to 10% so it doesn't do 100 damage per shot. A) You are lagging. B) You are being a cheapskate and deserve to die. C) You got ambushed, deal with it. D) You honestly need to get good. E) You are being a clown and need to pick your engagements more carefully. F) You squad with clowns. The list goes on. Service with a smile
Yankie Doodle WRONG-TURN 251	Posted - 2014.08.13 14:00:00 - [60] - Quote RUNS and drops 2mill on FOTM amarr assault......



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