Makes sense Armor > Shields Amarr and Gallente > Cadrali and shitmatar

Gee whiz if there were only weapons that excelled against armor. I don't know, maybe some kind of grenade launcher or a hybrid-rail style automatic weapon. That sure would be swell.

On a side note, did Rattatai only modify assault and sentinels? I'm noticing my Caldari commandos haven't had that 3/0 slot change which I'm glad they didn't but was just wondering. That and the logi and scouts seem to be unaltered as well.

Gee whiz if there were only weapons that excelled against armor. I don't know, maybe some kind of grenade launcher or a hybrid-rail style automatic weapon. That sure would be swell.

That's what I figured ignore the dilemma that a TAC AR was considered OP with lesser stats then the ScR. The bias has always existed.

Now, shield tanking has gone from underpowered to, holy-****-why-the-****-would-i-use-this?

Now, there is nothihg but overpowered amarr assaults with scrambler rifles and lasers. Overpowered because how broken the scr is vs shields and how easy it is to get 800 armor and reps with a suit with a bonus to heat buildup

Hotfix delta needs to lowernlaser damage bonus to 10% and maybe tweak the scr, idk, but I quit, this is ridiculous, 800 armor scr wielding suits is just so hilariously broken vs shield suits, go ahead, go into a match with shield suits, see how annoying it is.


Bravo, bravo ccp, leaving the scr unchanged vs shields since beta or the release.

As someone who fields Caldari and saw the patch notes I was pretty sure we was gettin' raped. Tried to warn against some of it but you know how things are with CCP and the community in general. Whatever is popular since 1.8 (Amarr Assaults) people are completely cool and push for them to be bullshit, while less popular suits (Caldari and Minmitar) get thrown to the wayside again.

This is why we cannot have nice things. Our community can never be objective and just looks for their time to shine, like tanks did in 1.7 and armor did with the armor buff. Now armor got buffed on Amarr because shields got a slight buff last hotfix? Because, magnets? It will never end.

Inb4, nothing is ever wrong with the scrambler. I think the laser is fine as a nieche weapon but I think if your going to have such high alpha damage on a rifle it should have a significant drawback, like that it can only fire when charged. I mean it does more damage then a SR for christs sake and can be spammed especially with a modded controller OR charged.

Weapon balance is never about one stat and a weapon is not only imbalanced if it is the best at everything. Weapons are imbalanced when they perform too many things well. Also, inb4 dps is the only sign of a competitive weapon, no that's oversimplification.

I don't agree with the OP that there is anything wrong with the amarr assault, however I think the real perpetrator of why people feel the amarr is op is that they tend to use the ScR.

I have actually made a militia gallente scout (Intentionally making it vulnerable to combat rifles/rail rifles) and fitted it with a militia scrambler rifle. I have no trouble killing suits even at adv level with boundless CRs in CQC and likewise no issue mowing down RRs at range. I have prof 4 in the scrambler rifle and can pretty easily squeeze out 16 shots before overheating. That is 2 less then the TAC AR which is an adv weapon and not militia. No one will answer this as this is a question that has been asked over and over on the forums since the TAC AR nerf, why are THOSE stats on a TAC AR OP to the forum community but the SAME stats on a ScR is all okay? Overheating? If I had prof 5 I would easily be squeezing out the same amount of shots that the TAC AR has per clip and I would still be okay with about 2 and a half times the clip size. Hell the militia has double the clip size even. Time and time again its this quaint excuse of "The Amarr are so used to using ScR's that they are just so good with them." Get that **** out of here. The issue got ignored for a while when RR and CR came out because they were OP, but since they have been toned down, ScR is still an issue.

Wow.

Does that make a CR with MinAssault V a pre-nerf TAR?

Wow, he was right, amarr rp's ARE the biggest trolls.

Go ahead, try ti use a rr or arr vs some 800 armor scr suit, see what happens, the damage vs shields is just too high.

When a play style is unplayable because someone uses a weapon it's broken.


Did I mention it basically instakills at std? Vs shield tankers. No sp needed to be broken vs shield tanking.

That sounds more like it which is somewhat comparable to the Scramblers now. I think the RoF should be much lower on the scrambler comparable to the current TAR and the hipfire dispersion increased like it is on the TAR. Again if the old TAR was OP there is still no logical reason as to why the scrambler isn't since it currently has comparable stats to the TAR you just listed.

...I still want to know what everyone defending the ScR thinks of bringing back the old TAC AR since they are near the same stats and the ScR is apparently not OP.

Yes it is an issue, i've seen it done and it has the regular scrambler rifle sound but at the frequency of the assault. It's most commonly used on speed scouts as getting your faced ripped off by the ScRs high ROF and decent hipfire dispersion is ideal for it. You can't stop modding but you can make modding impractical IE not have stupidly high ROFs on semi-automatic weapons.

That's all I'm asking is that the ROF be lowered to that of the current TAC AR or somewhere near it while also having the hipfire dispersion lowered comparative to the TAC AR.

I guess if 30 rounds is a massive clip then 45 on a ScR must be colossal.

Again i'll reiterate like the no True Scotsman fallacy, it doesn't matter if you think exploiters are pathetic, the only way to stop them is to not make it possible. Have you used an assault combat rifle? For every one shot you have to land they have to land about 3.5. Assume the Target is moving, the more shots you have to land especially on an online game the harder it becomes to maintain your dps especially in Dust's shoddy hit detection. That's easier said then done. Not too mention the ScR also has superior alpha to a sniper rifle when charged and has superior range to the assault combat rifle.

Weapon mods being low slots... yeah sure take away more slots from high.

Low already gets cardiacs, kincats, armor plates, armor reps, shield regulators, codebreakers, cpu upgrades, and pg upgrades.

If you then give them weapon mods what do high slots get?

Shield energerizers, shield extenders, scan precision enhancers, scan amplifiers, and myrofibrils...