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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:00:00 -
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You heard me. I've used this gun since it first came out, it's the only Gallente Sidearm so I have no choice.
This weapon is in dire need of salvation, it's arguably the worst weapon in the game right beside the Flaylock.
I feel that this change, if possible, would put the Ion Pistol where it needs to be.
For now let's say we had the same damage, same incredibly short range but with 550 RPM ( Magsec SMG fires at 666.67, I'm not joking) and same 12 round clip.
This would put the Ion Pistol at a high amount of DPS without allowing it to be a "No SKill" weapon, it would also allow the Ion Pistol to actually be Viable.
More Importantly it would make the Ion Pistol act like a Gallente Weapon
Here are the Stats for my Proposed Ion Pistol using the Creodron Ion Pistol as reference:
Meta Level8
Damage 55
Rate of Fire 550 RPM
DPS 504.16
Clip Size 12
Ammo72
Reload Time2.533
Optimal Range 22
Effective Range42m
Yes, I know that's a pretty high DPS, but looks at it's small range, and with the accuracy and recoil good luck hitting all your shots in a CQC environment. Of course these numbers aren't final and can be tweaked here and there for fine tuning purposes.
So, what do you guys think?
see you space cowboy...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
15543
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:19:00 -
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Do note that although the DPS is very high under this proposal, the clip lasts barely more than a second. The damage per clip is 660, which is actually pretty low. In a lot of cases it'll take two clips to down people, and in some it'll take three.
With that in mind, I actually don't really like this idea. It's not really much stronger except for splatting lightly tanked suits (which was already the only thing it could seriously do).
I would prefer to have the charge shot overheat... Reworked, and the other stats like damage, fire rate and clip size to be looked at as well.
A charge shot pistol is actually pretty cool, IMO. Unfortunately the instant overheat makes it of dubious practical value.
EDIT: Also, it's a CQC weapon, but the hipfire spread is so wide you can miss a target at 8m.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1562
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:26:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Do note that although the DPS is very high under this proposal, the clip lasts barely more than a second. The damage per clip is 660, which is actually pretty low. In a lot of cases it'll take two clips to down people, and in some it'll take three.
With that in mind, I actually don't really like this idea. It's not really much stronger except for splatting lightly tanked suits (which was already the only thing it could seriously do).
I would prefer to have the charge shot overheat... Reworked, and the other stats like damage, fire rate and clip size to be looked at as well.
A charge shot pistol is actually pretty cool, IMO. Unfortunately the instant overheat makes it of dubious practical value.
EDIT: Also, it's a CQC weapon, but the hipfire spread is so wide you can miss a target at 8m.
I agree. I really feel like this gun's dps is its largest issue with its instant overheat charge shot coming in a close second.
Increasing the damage per shot would deal with both of these issues though. Not only would the weapon's DPS increase but the charge shot would become much more deadly.
The only real issue with increasing the per shot damage is that it may make the weapon OP if not done carfully.
I suggest a small bump to per shot damage 5%. If that doesn't make it viable bump it up by 2% more. Continue with 1% bumps as needed until gun is usable.
Fun > Realism
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6847
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Posted - 2014.08.01 14:31:00 -
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That's all fine.
I just want my Ion Pistol to be viable!
Ok, so a small damage buff instead. I wouldn't mind at all, keep in mind the Viziam Scrambler pistol actually gets over 100 dmg per shot with max skills and I'm sure its not OP in anyway.
So mobius, I do not think you have to be too careful with it being OP, you have a huge range to play with, especially with it's small range.
see you space cowboy...
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Zindorak
1.U.P
214
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:03:00 -
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I wouldn't mind a buff to the ion pistol. However i want the ScP to be stronger
Master of the Scrambler Pistol. Carthum Assault ScP <3
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Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
1794
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:16:00 -
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Id prefer removing overheat, and making the charge shot cost extra ammo (6 at max charge)
"Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms.
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Apothecary Za'ki
Biomass Positive
213
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:17:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:You heard me. I've used this gun since it first came out, it's the only Gallente Sidearm so I have no choice.
This weapon is in dire need of salvation, it's arguably the worst weapon in the game right beside the Flaylock.
I feel that this change, if possible, would put the Ion Pistol where it needs to be.
For now let's say we had the same damage, same incredibly short range but with 550 RPM ( Magsec SMG fires at 666.67, I'm not joking) and same 12 round clip.
This would put the Ion Pistol at a high amount of DPS without allowing it to be a "No SKill" weapon, it would also allow the Ion Pistol to actually be Viable.
More Importantly it would make the Ion Pistol act like a Gallente Weapon
Here are the Stats for my Proposed Ion Pistol using the Creodron Ion Pistol as reference:
Meta Level8
Damage 55
Rate of Fire 550 RPM
DPS 504.16
Clip Size 12
Ammo72
Reload Time2.533
Optimal Range 22
Effective Range42m
Yes, I know that's a pretty high DPS, but looks at it's small range, and with the accuracy and recoil good luck hitting all your shots in a CQC environment. Of course these numbers aren't final and can be tweaked here and there for fine tuning purposes.
So, what do you guys think?
looks interesting..
id like to see burst varients of ion and scrambler pistols
but also ScR style fireing where you can do a charged shot but a few sucessive shots before it overheats.. that will fix the ion for sure and bring some fun and power back to pistols
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Boot Booter
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dark Taboo
811
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Posted - 2014.08.01 15:34:00 -
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I think it just needs a change to the overheat on every charge shot. You don't even need to charge the thing more than half to have it overheat. That's just stupid. What kind of advanced military would design something that overheats that easily. Everything else is ok. Definitely shouldn't fire automatically.
Perhaps a small damage buff.
What happened to the repair tool glow?
Why won't CCP answer?
Conspiracy?
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Ld Collins
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
164
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Posted - 2014.08.01 17:50:00 -
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Just give the ion pistol more range when firing a charged shot. Since there are no tactical or breach variations it can be used as a breach pistol or tactical pistol depending on the situation. |
headbust
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
112
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Posted - 2014.08.01 19:21:00 -
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i would like to see a large damage buff as said earlier scp does little over 100 at proto max and with its range that is pretty good so with the ion pistols short range (i mean really short range) it should do a little more than that.
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Cody Sietz
SVER True Blood
Dark Taboo
3759
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Posted - 2014.08.01 21:53:00 -
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I think dispersion is the key here. Giving it tighter hipfire could fix it...
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MINA Longstrike
1101
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:00:00 -
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The only pistol that should even be semi-auto is a minmatar machine pistol. If you want automatic weaponry you want a SMG. Pistols are single or burst fire.
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6852
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Posted - 2014.08.01 22:40:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:The only pistol that should even be semi-auto is a minmatar machine pistol. If you want automatic weaponry you want a SMG. Pistols are single or burst fire.
automatic pistols exist in the real world btw
see you space cowboy...
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1563
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Posted - 2014.08.02 00:00:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:That's all fine.
I just want my Ion Pistol to be viable!
Ok, so a small damage buff instead. I wouldn't mind at all, keep in mind the Viziam Scrambler pistol actually gets over 100 dmg per shot with max skills and I'm sure its not OP in anyway.
So mobius, I do not think you have to be too careful with it being OP, you have a huge range to play with, especially with it's small range.
That is a fair assessment Kirk. Since it has the smallest range of the pistols it should also have the highest DPS. This calls for a spread sheet!
I will follow up with one in my next post.
Fun > Realism
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1564
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Posted - 2014.08.02 00:14:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:The only pistol that should even be semi-auto is a minmatar machine pistol. If you want automatic weaponry you want a SMG. Pistols are single or burst fire.
I couldn't disagree more.
First off all the pistols we have are semi-automatics. There are no revolvers or single action pistols in dust since the weapons do not need to be manually cycled (cocked) after each shot, they do this automatically as part of the firing process.
In fact all the pistols as they currently stand are semi-automatic with the exception of the Bolt Pistol which is fully-automatic (albeit with a very slow rate of fire for a weapon of this type). A fully automatic pistol would fit the bill for a minmatar weapon (though a burst fire handgun like the Beretta 93R would make more sense) but totally fits the Gallente docterine as well.
Sorry, I know this does not include a spreadsheet as promised I just couldn't let this go. I will include the comparison spreadsheet in the next post.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
2639
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Posted - 2014.08.02 00:25:00 -
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I'm so conflicted. I love the charge mechanic, but on the other hand I want the pistol to be viable...
My love of the charge mechanic is too great for me to support getting rid of it. Could a simple damage buff coupled with a slightly less crippling heat build up work?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
Official Time Lord of the Scout Community
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Matticus Monk
OSG Planetary Operations
Covert Intervention
2270
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Posted - 2014.08.02 01:39:00 -
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Apothecary Za'ki wrote:looks interesting..
id like to see burst varients of ion and scrambler pistols
but also ScR style fireing where you can do a charged shot but a few sucessive shots before it overheats.. that will fix the ion for sure and bring some fun and power back to pistols
The burst variant of the ScP exists. It is the CAR-9 Burst and it's an advanced variant.
It has the worst dispersion of the ScP's by a large margin, so much that aiming down sights is practically a requirement. It's brutal in the right hands.
Double posting like a Kaiser. Embracing the death, at Llast.
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BL4CKST4R
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
2858
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Posted - 2014.08.02 01:42:00 -
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Ion pistol is good to finish off heavies. Makes it easier to shame them in their fotm. Still sucks ass tthouh.
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BL4CKST4R
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
2859
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Posted - 2014.08.02 01:50:00 -
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Db post
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
395
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Posted - 2014.08.02 02:16:00 -
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I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it.
it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head.
also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with.
I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6854
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Posted - 2014.08.02 02:23:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it.
it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head.
also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with.
I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something.
Eugh, One of these guys again.
You have to be pretty terrible at this game for you to be reduced to the Ion Pistols Level.
Here's a challenge, use a Scrambler Pistol and get back to me. In fact, use a Basic Scrambler Pistol compared to the Creodron and get back to me.
I swear there's always a person that says somethings not underpowered when it sucks.
Just like the people that said the plasma cannon was okay when I was completely terrible at it's job.
*scoffs* plebs, what can you do about them?
see you space cowboy...
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1567
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Posted - 2014.08.02 06:49:00 -
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Okay here is what I have come up with.
Pistol Comparison Chart (Graphs Included)
To start out I noticed that the Flaylock had by far the lowest total damage per mag potential. The Bolt Pistol was hugely overpowered DPS wise especially considering the fact that it has the longest range of the pistols. By contrast, the Ion Pistol had by far the lowest DPS. This means that the longest range weapon had the best damage dealing potential while the sortest range weapon had the least. Given the fact that I recently spent weeks trying to convice the Devs that this is the reverse of where the weapons should be (See Balancing Assault Rifles Bravo Hotfix) it was clearly time for some major tinkering.
The current, and long time, star among the pistols is the Scrambler. It does solid damage and is able to take out most targets in a single mag even without its massive head shot bonus. As such I took its stats (DPS, and Damage per Mag) as my baseline and modified all the other weapons to be in the same ball park keeping in mind my goal of an inverse relationship between damage and range.
Since the Flaylock's per. mag damage was so low I increased its magazine capacity by a single round. The flaylock's RoF was also buffed bringing its DPS into line with the scrambler pistol while slightly lower than the other weapons because of its AoE advantage. Even though the scrambler is decent I increased the RoF by a hair because it should have more DPS potential than the Flaylock since it is harder to use and has only marginally better range. The Bolt Pistol took at major hit to both RoF and Per shot damage. While it still has the second largest damage per shot it now has a slightly lower DPS than the other weapons. The Ion pistol got a significant bump in its DPS, a small bump in RoF and a single round decrease in its ammo capacity. This gives the Ion Pistol the highest DPS, the lowest Range, and an average total damage per magazine.
Final Analysis of Changes Made:
I like the current proposed balance of damage per magazine as well as the (albeit small) inverse damage to range relationship. I am a bit concerned that the Flaylock can do about 10 more damage per magazine but I don't think this is a big deal since other weapons have more range (bolt pistol) extra headshot damage (scrambler) and a charge shot for extra damage (Ion Pistol). These abilities I think should be kept in their current state since it gives the weapons individual flavor which would be severely lacking otherwise.
Fun > Realism
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6855
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Posted - 2014.08.02 07:01:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:This means that the longest range weapon had the best damage dealing potential while the sortest range weapon had the least.
I swear to you they live by this rule. CCP doesn't understand that CQC weapons should be good at CQC while Long Range weapons shouldn't be as good as the CQC weapons.
This statement sums up DUST 514 in a nutshell.
All in all Great Stuff Mobius!
I hope CCP takes a look at this but I still feel like the Charge for the Ion Pistol should be reevaluated. Maybe overheats in two shots? After all, it is the "coup de grace" so to say of the Ion Pistol, and it's the most detrimental thing to use the pistol for.
see you space cowboy...
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1572
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Posted - 2014.08.02 21:13:00 -
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/hold up picture of vindictive eyes and bows down
"Logibo, Patron Saint of Logistics, Distributor of Nanites, and master of the look; I invoke you!"
/creates elaborate spread sheet with many nicely colored graphs and bows down
"Rattati, communicator, bearer of hot-fixes, and lover of evidence based reasoning; I invoke you!"
"Oh blue tagged lords of the DUST514 forums it would greatly please us lowly, but strangely opinionated, consumers of your product to have you grace this thread with your presences; if only to indicate that you have noted our comments for future digestion in your great minds. It would please us greatly. So say we all!"
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CCP Logibro
C C P
C C P Alliance
8825
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Posted - 2014.08.02 21:25:00 -
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Mobius Kaethis wrote:/hold up picture of vindictive eyes and bows down "Logibo, Patron Saint of Logistics, Distributor of Nanites, and master of the look; I invoke you!" /creates elaborate spread sheet with many nicely colored graphs and bows down "Rattati, communicator, bearer of hot-fixes, and lover of evidence based reasoning; I invoke you!" "Oh blue tagged lords of the DUST514 forums it would greatly please us lowly, but strangely opinionated, consumers of your product to have you grace this thread with your presences; if only to indicate that you have noted our comments for future digestion in your great minds. It would please us greatly. So say we all!"
/me emerges from a cloud of nanites
I have looked upon thee and found your information of interest to our cause in the near future. Hold steady, for the time that balance is restored to the sidearm is nearly upon us; and you may be of assistance to us in this mission.
Go forth and rep. May you guide the nanites.
/me disappears back into the cloud of nanites
CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites
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MINA Longstrike
1102
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Posted - 2014.08.02 21:28:00 -
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Did you account for the bolt pistol spooling between every shot?
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian.
I have a few alts.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1573
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Posted - 2014.08.02 21:51:00 -
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MINA Longstrike wrote:Did you account for the bolt pistol spooling between every shot?
No and that is a good point. I will re-evaluate and alter the spreadsheet tonight as needed.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1574
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:02:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:
/me emerges from a cloud of nanites
[img]https://i.imgur.com/NMlDr3d.jpg[/img]
I have looked upon thee and found your information of interest to our cause in the near future. Hold steady, for the time that balance is restored to the sidearm is nearly upon us; and you may be of assistance to us in this mission.
Go forth and rep. May the nanites guide you.
/me disappears back into the cloud of nanites
/breaks open a Ishukone Nanohive pouring its contents into a Tritanium bowl and setting them abaze
"Thank you for your response oh bringer of support, we shale refine this topic taking into consideration MINA's comment and any other that is deemed worthy of merit."
/pours ashes of burnt nanites over himself completing the right of cleansing, thankful that he did not have to escalate the initial rite of summoning with the "Dance of the Nanite" or the "Praise Be the Lord of Data Driven Change Script"
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Jathniel
G I A N T
1128
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Posted - 2014.08.02 22:26:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:You heard me. I've used this gun since it first came out, it's the only Gallente Sidearm so I have no choice.
This weapon is in dire need of salvation, it's arguably the worst weapon in the game right beside the Flaylock.
I feel that this change, if possible, would put the Ion Pistol where it needs to be.
For now let's say we had the same damage, same incredibly short range but with 550 RPM ( Magsec SMG fires at 666.67, I'm not joking) and same 12 round clip.
This would put the Ion Pistol at a high amount of DPS without allowing it to be a "No SKill" weapon, it would also allow the Ion Pistol to actually be Viable.
More Importantly it would make the Ion Pistol act like a Gallente Weapon
Here are the Stats for my Proposed Ion Pistol using the Creodron Ion Pistol as reference:
Meta Level8
Damage 55
Rate of Fire 550 RPM
DPS 504.16
Clip Size 12
Ammo72
Reload Time2.533
Optimal Range 22
Effective Range42m
Yes, I know that's a pretty high DPS, but looks at it's small range, and with the accuracy and recoil good luck hitting all your shots in a CQC environment. Of course these numbers aren't final and can be tweaked here and there for fine tuning purposes.
So, what do you guys think?
All I would do is increase that clip size to 18 or 24, just to increase the damage per clip to a suitable level.
This proposal is completely sound.
Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
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Maiden selena MORTIMOR
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
57
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Posted - 2014.08.02 23:34:00 -
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Matticus Monk wrote:Apothecary Za'ki wrote:looks interesting..
id like to see burst varients of ion and scrambler pistols
but also ScR style fireing where you can do a charged shot but a few sucessive shots before it overheats.. that will fix the ion for sure and bring some fun and power back to pistols The burst variant of the ScP exists. It is the CAR-9 Burst and it's an advanced variant. It has the worst dispersion of the ScP's by a large margin, so much that aiming down sights is practically a requirement. It's brutal in the right hands.
Yes and loads of fun
no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
When my master is banned I represent her wishes and that of the Mortimor famil
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Larry Desmo
Kang Lo Directorate
Gallente Federation
80
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:05:00 -
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the thing overheats to fast with charged shots, it should be able to get at least 2 before it overheats. |
The dark cloud
The Rainbow Effect
3811
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:19:00 -
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What the hell is this? Stop trying to invent the ultimate scrub gun.
New shield module!
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
6506
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Posted - 2014.08.03 00:32:00 -
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My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user.
I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon.
No More Excuses
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Grand Master Kubo
PIanet Express
103
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Posted - 2014.08.03 01:08:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user.
I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon.
I agree. The scrambler rifle doesn't overheat after a single charge shot. I'm not saying that the Ion Pistol should be like the scrambler rifle but what if the Ion Pistol had a longer charge up time and no seize time? A certain amount of consecutive charge shots should seize it but with a longer charge time the Operation Skill would actually be useful. |
Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6869
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Posted - 2014.08.03 01:11:00 -
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Grand Master Kubo wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user.
I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon. I agree. The scrambler rifle doesn't overheat after a single charge shot. I'm not saying that the Ion Pistol should be like the scrambler rifle but what if the Ion Pistol had a longer charge up time and no seize time? A certain amount of consecutive charge shots should seize it but with a longer charge time the Operation Skill would actually be useful.
*Has to remember what the operation skill does*
Damn...this sucks.
see you space cowboy...
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ladwar
HEARTS OF PHOENIX
2028
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Posted - 2014.08.03 01:35:00 -
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And here i thought the ion pistol was meant to be armaa because of the charged shoot, like a smaller scambler rifle.
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Aeon Amadi
Edimmu Warfighters
Gallente Federation
6508
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Posted - 2014.08.03 05:16:00 -
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Grand Master Kubo wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user.
I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon. I agree. The scrambler rifle doesn't overheat after a single charge shot. I'm not saying that the Ion Pistol should be like the scrambler rifle but what if the Ion Pistol had a longer charge up time and no seize time? A certain amount of consecutive charge shots should seize it but with a longer charge time the Operation Skill would actually be useful.
Now that you bring it up, if they changed Ion Pistol Operation to reduce the Seize Time - I'd be one happy badger.
No More Excuses
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1582
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Posted - 2014.08.03 05:32:00 -
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Aeon Amadi wrote:Grand Master Kubo wrote:Aeon Amadi wrote:My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user.
I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon. I agree. The scrambler rifle doesn't overheat after a single charge shot. I'm not saying that the Ion Pistol should be like the scrambler rifle but what if the Ion Pistol had a longer charge up time and no seize time? A certain amount of consecutive charge shots should seize it but with a longer charge time the Operation Skill would actually be useful. Now that you bring it up, if they changed Ion Pistol Operation to reduce the Seize Time - I'd be one happy badger.
That would be a great change.
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Hera Kaundur
501st Knights of Leanbox
0
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Posted - 2014.08.03 06:00:00 -
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The only thing the ion pistol needs, if anything is 2 shots before seizing and an a little looking into in the accuracy department, other then that there is nothing wrong with it. I mean have you seen how fast they tear apart scouts (apart from the brick-tanked ass-butts)
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Hera Kaundur
501st Knights of Leanbox
0
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Posted - 2014.08.03 06:31:00 -
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Also MAKE MY CREODRON ION PISTOL ACTUAL PROTOTYPE COLOURS!!!! i was very depressed when i skilled into them and found that they were still basic/advanced colours..........
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NoxMort3m
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
502
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Posted - 2014.08.03 07:11:00 -
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CCP Logibro wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:/hold up picture of vindictive eyes and bows down "Logibo, Patron Saint of Logistics, Distributor of Nanites, and master of the look; I invoke you!" /creates elaborate spread sheet with many nicely colored graphs and bows down "Rattati, communicator, bearer of hot-fixes, and lover of evidence based reasoning; I invoke you!" "Oh blue tagged lords of the DUST514 forums it would greatly please us lowly, but strangely opinionated, consumers of your product to have you grace this thread with your presences; if only to indicate that you have noted our comments for future digestion in your great minds. It would please us greatly. So say we all!" /me emerges from a cloud of nanites [img]https://i.imgur.com/NMlDr3d.jpg[/img] I have looked upon thee and found your information of interest to our cause in the near future. Hold steady, for the time that balance is restored to the sidearm is nearly upon us; and you may be of assistance to us in this mission. Go forth and rep. May the nanites guide you. /me disappears back into the cloud of nanites
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medomai grey
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
884
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Posted - 2014.08.03 07:29:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:...
STUFF
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So, what do you guys think? While I agree the ion pistol is terrible, If we must change its mechanics, let it not be made to join the bloated ranks of fully automatic guns that litter this game.
How about making it into a side arm shot gun? Or perhaps a gun that fires sticky balls of hot plasma that deal damage over time to anything it sticks to?
Please, please. Anything but another machine gun.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1583
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Posted - 2014.08.03 08:17:00 -
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medomai grey wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:...
STUFF
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So, what do you guys think? While I agree the ion pistol is terrible, If we must change its mechanics, let it not be made to join the bloated ranks of fully automatic guns that litter this game. How about making it into a side arm shot gun? Or perhaps a gun that fires sticky balls of hot plasma that deal damage over time to anything it sticks to? Please, please. Anything but another machine gun.
Funny enough I kind of like the hand shotgun concept but I worry that it would be much harder to balance.
Fun > Realism
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1583
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Posted - 2014.08.03 09:28:00 -
[44] - Quote
I have to give a thank you to MINA Longstrike on this one for correctly pointing out that my original spreadsheet did not account for the .25 second charge time per shot of the bolt pistol. It also had the wrong RoF for the Bolt pistol. I fixed both of these errors in the original spreadsheet and did some tinkering with the proposed stat changes as a result.
The updated spreadsheet may be found here: Pistol Comparison
After making these changes the graph clearly showed that the bolt pistol in its current state does the lowest DPS (297 to be precise) which fits with its huge range advantage but is just too dramatic of a difference to really be usable when compared with the scrambler pistol. The gun does have the highest current damage potential per mag though, mainly because of its massive per shot damage. This is great but since its DPS is so low it will be hard to apply all that damage before your opponent either runs away (if they are at long range) or kills you (if it is CQC).
To help the bolt pistol compete with the other weapons (given their proposed changes) I kept its damage the same but boosted its DPS to 286.25. Taking into account the .25 second per shot charge this will let the bolt pistol fire 2.8 rounds per second giving it a DPS of 418.275. This is the lowest DPS of those proposed (but not my much) and the weapon still fits the inverse range to damage relationship that helps create balance amongst other weapons in the game.
The proposed changes to the bolt pistol also include a single round reduction to its magazine size. Since the other change should allow the bolt pistol to apply its damage more readily it should not have the potential to do 891 damage per mag any longer. Shrinking the magazine to 5 still gives the bolt pistol the highest per mag damage potential at 742.5, a number I am still a bit worried about.
As usual please dive in there with suggestions to help change the balance of pistols in the game. If I missed something, tell me.
Fun > Realism
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Kevall Longstride
DUST University
Ivy League
1529
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Posted - 2014.08.03 10:44:00 -
[45] - Quote
Pretty solid analysis there M+¦bius.
As a pure Gallante suit user it's rather annoying that the Ion Pistol isn't the CQC monster that it should be. Don't think that turning it into fully auto is the answer as we've too many auto weapons as it is.
The main problem with the IP is the overheat cooldown mechanic leaving you vunerable and the DPS. The hip fire reduction that the Gallente Assault suit at Level III and above, has a significant boost on the weapons effectiveness at close range but the SP expenditure to achieve that is huge when compared to say what's required for the SMG and SCP to become effective sidearms.
Personally speaking I think keeping the 12 round clip but having it as a three round burst to increase the ROF and a 40-60% reduction in the charge cooldown! would keep it as a skill weapon but promote it as the CQC sidearm the Gallente deserve.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
397
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Posted - 2014.08.03 13:02:00 -
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Sgt Kirk wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it.
it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head.
also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with.
I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something. Eugh, One of these guys again. You have to be pretty terrible at this game for you to be reduced to the Ion Pistols Level. Here's a challenge, use a Scrambler Pistol and get back to me. In fact, use a Basic Scrambler Pistol compared to the Creodron and get back to me. I swear there's always a person that says somethings not underpowered when it sucks. Just like the people that said the plasma cannon was okay when I was completely terrible at it's job. *scoffs* plebs, what can you do about them?
if the ion pistol was underpowered than why would I use it?
I PREFER THE FCKN THING OVER THE SCRAMBLER PISTOL.
can the scrambler pistol insta kill shot gun scouts??/ no.
can the ion pistol. yes
can the scrambler pistol fir 6 rounds under a second? no
can the ion pistol? yes.
can the scrambler charge no?
can the ion? yes.
the only thing the scrambler pistol has going for it is range over the ion. sure the ions range is crap but its got better cqc capability than a scrambler pistol.
other than that the scrambler pistol's dps is a lot lower than the ions.
,maybe you should get more accainted with the ion pistol befor you say it needs to be changed.
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6885
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Posted - 2014.08.03 14:14:00 -
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Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:Sgt Kirk wrote:Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it.
it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head.
also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with.
I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something. Eugh, One of these guys again. You have to be pretty terrible at this game for you to be reduced to the Ion Pistols Level. Here's a challenge, use a Scrambler Pistol and get back to me. In fact, use a Basic Scrambler Pistol compared to the Creodron and get back to me. I swear there's always a person that says somethings not underpowered when it sucks. Just like the people that said the plasma cannon was okay when I was completely terrible at it's job. *scoffs* plebs, what can you do about them? if the ion pistol was underpowered than why would I use it? I PREFER THE FCKN THING OVER THE SCRAMBLER PISTOL. can the scrambler pistol insta kill shot gun scouts??/ no. can the ion pistol. yes can the scrambler pistol fir 6 rounds under a second? no can the ion pistol? yes. can the scrambler charge no? can the ion? yes. the only thing the scrambler pistol has going for it is range over the ion. sure the ions range is crap but its got better cqc capability than a scrambler pistol. other than that the scrambler pistol's dps is a lot lower than the ions. ,maybe you should get more accainted with the ion pistol befor you say it needs to be changed.
I use the Ion Pistol, I use it because it is Gallente.
I have used it since day one and level 5'd most of the skills.
Maybe you should stop going in pub matches one shotting militia suits and saying it's good.
Bring it into a PC match or a competitive FW match and see how much you get smashed using the Ion Pistol.
see you space cowboy...
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11219
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Posted - 2014.08.03 14:20:00 -
[48] - Quote
You know your Pistol is crappy when you'd rather Melee than use it.
If I don't, who will?
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Temias Mercurial
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
144
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:18:00 -
[49] - Quote
How does the idea of a 3-burst Ion pistol sound, and the charge shot having a large amount of kick, but still fires 3 shots?
My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
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Echo 1991
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
393
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Posted - 2014.08.03 17:57:00 -
[50] - Quote
Tighter hipfire, damage increase and change the heat up mechanic. Easy. |
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Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar
Silver Bullet Solutions
DARKSTAR ARMY
714
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Posted - 2014.08.03 19:13:00 -
[51] - Quote
just the ability to fire 2 charged shots woud be good enough for me |
BL4CKST4R
LATINOS KILLERS CORP
Dark Taboo
2861
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Posted - 2014.08.03 21:52:00 -
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Oh please for the love of god and everything holy don't make it automatic unless you increase the clip and range slightly. If it was fully automatic with the same clip it will still remain the crappies weapon In the game since it will take a couple of reload to kill anything. By the time your done reloading any other side arm will murder you.
supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
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dzizur
6 dayz
40
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:19:00 -
[53] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:
I use the Ion Pistol, I use it because it is Gallente.
I have used it since day one and level 5'd most of the skills.
Maybe you should stop going in pub matches one shotting militia suits and saying it's good.
Bring it into a PC match or a competitive FW match and see how much you get smashed using the Ion Pistol.
Catering to PC is a stupid move , and you know it, how many people have a chance to even take part in it?
as for plasma cannon being UP, I have been using it for quite a long time and i think it's (and was, even before the buff) a great AV weapon against lav, tanks and sometimes even dropships (those sweet gunner kills :) ) not to mention spamming it in a 3 man squad in cqc.
like the dude before said, ion pistol has it's own niche right now which is one-shoting scouts ( yeah , Scouts, not those brick tanked assaults in scout suits), but i'm quite sure it needs a little buff in the overheat/charge shot mechanic and thats it!
please don't make it OP, I rather kill with a UP weapon and be happy about pulling it off than having a damn hand cannon that one shots all light/medium suits and has a full auto mode.
what I would really like to see, is to exchange scrambler pistol with the ion one.Don't get me wrong, I'm a very big fan of the scrambler pistol but the charge mechanic seems more fitting for the scp than ion pistol (as scrambler rifle has the same mechanic). I'm pretty sure that's off the table, but it's just a thought.
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
61
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:35:00 -
[54] - Quote
Ok time for the person who reminds you pistols aren't automatic. They will fix this but not by making it automatic.
Eye of the Reaper
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ViS Assaulter
Fatal Absolution
General Tso's Alliance
16
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Posted - 2014.08.05 16:59:00 -
[55] - Quote
Please fix a bug that freeze use ion pistol before it!
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6955
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:03:00 -
[56] - Quote
wiseguy12 wrote:Ok time for the person who reminds you pistols aren't automatic. They will fix this but not by making it automatic.
We've already had this discussion.
Actually read the thread before you comment.
And yes, Pistol can actually be Automatic if you didn't know.
see you space cowboy...
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
61
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:16:00 -
[57] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:wiseguy12 wrote:Ok time for the person who reminds you pistols aren't automatic. They will fix this but not by making it automatic. We've already had this discussion. Actually read the thread before you comment. And yes, Pistol can actually be Automatic if you didn't know.
I normally do read a full post but when I gotta do something I don't. But Pistols are not automatic machine pistols are. Please be more considerate to peoples situations. Any way the majority of these post end up being gibberish of people who just want the they spec'd into to be good for that reason. It is a sidearm use it to lower shield then shoot them with your other gun.
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Atiim
Onslaught Inc
RISE of LEGION
11256
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:25:00 -
[58] - Quote
wiseguy12 wrote:But Pistols are not automatic machine pistols are.
If there's one thing I want in my Sci-Fi FPS, it's rock solid realism.
If I don't, who will?
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wiseguy12
Ancient Legion
61
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:28:00 -
[59] - Quote
Atiim wrote:wiseguy12 wrote:But Pistols are not automatic machine pistols are. If there's one thing I want in my Sci-Fi FPS, it's rock solid realism.
Woo sarcasm I'm just trying to be politically correct. The auto ion pistol could be the assault variant.
Eye of the Reaper
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6957
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Posted - 2014.08.05 17:32:00 -
[60] - Quote
Hera Kaundur wrote:Also MAKE MY CREODRON ION PISTOL ACTUAL PROTOTYPE COLOURS!!!! i was very depressed when i skilled into them and found that they were still basic/advanced colours..........
Here, have your first like.
see you space cowboy...
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Lightning35 Delta514
48TH SPECIAL OPERATIONS FORCE
49
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Posted - 2014.08.05 19:04:00 -
[61] - Quote
I guess this isn't so bad, but the honest truth is I don't feel this way about it. The ion pistol is really good at what it is for. It has never failed me. I huess there could be a variation like an assault ion that works as stated.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1613
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Posted - 2014.08.06 00:12:00 -
[62] - Quote
Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:I guess this isn't so bad, but the honest truth is I don't feel this way about it. The ion pistol is really good at what it is for. It has never failed me. I huess there could be a variation like an assault ion that works as stated.
When you say this it makes me wonder if you even looked at the pistol comparison spreadsheet I made. It is clear that the Ion Pistol's stats are too low for it to actually be a competetive weapon. Sure you can kill with it, it can be used, but that doesn't mean it is balanced with the other weapons or even decent for what you are trying to do with it.
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Spademan
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
DARKSTAR ARMY
2720
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Posted - 2014.08.06 00:16:00 -
[63] - Quote
Idea: What if the seize duration was reduced, say half a second?
I am part shovel, part man, full scout, and a little bit special.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
6994
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Posted - 2014.08.06 05:18:00 -
[64] - Quote
Mobius Kaethis wrote:Lightning35 Delta514 wrote:I guess this isn't so bad, but the honest truth is I don't feel this way about it. The ion pistol is really good at what it is for. It has never failed me. I huess there could be a variation like an assault ion that works as stated. When you say this it makes me wonder if you even looked at the pistol comparison spreadsheet I made. It is clear that the Ion Pistol's stats are too low for it to actually be a competetive weapon. Sure you can kill with it, it can be used, but that doesn't mean it is balanced with the other weapons or even decent for what you are trying to do with it.
This is something many people fail to realise.
Yes, you can use a weapon.
Yes, you can get kills with that weapons sometimes, especially against pub noobs.
Yes, you can think it's a good weapon but that doesn't make it so.
I was once like you as a young clone.
When I was a young clone, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a blueberry. But when I grew up, I put away blueberry things.
see you space cowboy...
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Thaddeus Reynolds
Facepunch Security
51
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Posted - 2014.08.06 05:20:00 -
[65] - Quote
I really wanted a machine pistol option anyway...so +1
Khanid Logi and Tanker, sometimes AV Heavy or Sniper.
I believe all these roles are support for front line soldiers.
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7006
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Posted - 2014.08.06 05:25:00 -
[66] - Quote
Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:I really wanted a machine pistol option anyway...so +1
Hahaha I've fallen away from the Machine Pistol Idea but I still think it would be a cool feature, I just want my Ion Pistol to be good. I do not care what they do to it.
At least for an Assault Ion Pistol Variant.
I'd like to see a 3 shot burst Minmatar Pistol.
Like a Beretta 93R. That makes me so moist just thinking about a 3 round burst Minmatar Pistol
see you space cowboy...
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1693
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Posted - 2014.08.06 05:53:00 -
[67] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote:Thaddeus Reynolds wrote:I really wanted a machine pistol option anyway...so +1 Hahaha I've fallen away from the Machine Pistol Idea but I still think it would be a cool feature, I just want my Ion Pistol to be good. I do not care what they do to it. At least for an Assault Ion Pistol Variant. I'd like to see a 3 shot burst Minmatar Pistol. Like a Beretta 93R. That makes me so moist just thinking about a 3 round burst Minmatar Pistol
Lol. Pistol love.
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wripple
WarRavens
Final Resolution.
195
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Posted - 2014.08.06 08:41:00 -
[68] - Quote
I thought it was silly to begin with that the Gallente's sidearm was a tactical semi-auto. Look at the trend in racial weapons and you'll quickly notice that Gallente weaponry trends more towards closer range, which seems very odd that they received a range weapon that functions more like a weak scrambler than anything else.
Should have been a high RoF close range auto-pistol if anything else in my opinion. The AR already functions as a range weapon, the Ion Pistol should have been their close range savior to balance the build. |
Alena Ventrallis
S0VER31GN
1529
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Posted - 2014.08.06 11:03:00 -
[69] - Quote
Buff the ammo to, say, 48. This gives it competitive damage per clip and means you can down a good amount of health before needing a reload.
Rattati has spoken. CalScout hitbox is fine. You're gun game is broken.
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1704
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Posted - 2014.08.07 07:35:00 -
[70] - Quote
Alena Ventrallis wrote:Buff the ammo to, say, 48. This gives it competitive damage per clip and means you can down a good amount of health before needing a reload.
If the gun had 48 round mags it would do over 2000 damage per magazine. That is a truely OP amount of damage even considering its poor range.
Fun > Realism
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7061
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Posted - 2014.08.07 07:37:00 -
[71] - Quote
Mobius Kaethis wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Buff the ammo to, say, 48. This gives it competitive damage per clip and means you can down a good amount of health before needing a reload. If the gun had 48 round mags it would do over 2000 damage per magazine. That is a truely OP amount of damage even considering its poor range.
Well, to be honest it's not like you'd hit anything with the horrid hit detection.
see you space cowboy...
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Arkena Wyrnspire
Fatal Absolution
15623
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Posted - 2014.08.07 07:42:00 -
[72] - Quote
Mobius Kaethis wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Buff the ammo to, say, 48. This gives it competitive damage per clip and means you can down a good amount of health before needing a reload. If the gun had 48 round mags it would do over 2000 damage per magazine. That is a truely OP amount of damage even considering its poor range.
The SMG has almost that much...
Also it would take an ion pistol almost 8 seconds if you maxed out the fire rate to fire all that off.
You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake.
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Malleus Malificorum
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
40
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Posted - 2014.08.07 12:09:00 -
[73] - Quote
I'll take the charge functionality of the ion pistol off your hands and happily put it on my scrambler pistols, Especially the breach.
But no, I quite like the ion pistol in its current form and I really feel it only needs a few tweaks to be in a good place not that it's exactly unusable now.
Suggestion #1 - Get rid of the sharpshooter skill, refund the skillpoints and roll that base accuracy right into the weapon - This is unlikely to happen.
Suggestion #2 - Increase the damage by about ten points, increase the charge time by a second or so and make the damage scale to how long the weapon is charged (full charge being 7x damage). Remove the seize. This is a lot more doable.
I honestly don't want to see the charge functionality go, it's what makes the ion pistol interesting, I'd like to see it become the primary sidearm of choice for gallente assaults. |
lee corwood
Knights Of Ender
RISE of LEGION
999
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Posted - 2014.08.11 15:52:00 -
[74] - Quote
Aeon Amadi wrote:My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user.
I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon.
Yep and the bonus the weapon skill gives you is rather ********. It gives you a faster charge up time. I fail to see how this is useful when not even a full charge can disable you. I'd much rather a bonus that reduces that cool down time. I've successfully hit people with a full charge shot that left them with 8 armor and I had to hope around like a fool afterwards.
Knights of Ender
Minmatar Logisis | Heavy lover.
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Sum1ne Else
Fatal Absolution
1334
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Posted - 2014.08.12 16:15:00 -
[75] - Quote
...^ TL;DR sooooo should I spec into this gun or not guys? 
Longest PLC Kill - 193.71m
Logi mk.0 - Com gk.0 - Scout gk.0 - Ass ak.0
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1724
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Posted - 2014.08.13 03:27:00 -
[76] - Quote
Sum1ne Else wrote:...^ TL;DR sooooo should I spec into this gun or not guys?
Right now it is only worth it if you are wanting to play on hard mode. 
Fun > Realism
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Sgt Kirk
Fatal Absolution
7183
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Posted - 2014.08.13 05:17:00 -
[77] - Quote
Mobius Kaethis wrote:Sum1ne Else wrote:...^ TL;DR sooooo should I spec into this gun or not guys? Right now it is only worth it if you are wanting to play on hard mode. Melee attacks do more dps than the ion pistol right now.
that's a very true fact you Ion Pistol apologists can write down.
see you space cowboy...
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Nocturnal Soul
Immortal Retribution
3943
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Posted - 2014.08.13 06:44:00 -
[78] - Quote
Sgt Kirk wrote: That makes me so moist just thinking about a 3 round burst Minmatar Pistol
Please don't ever say that again Kirk
(Gê¬n+Ç-´)GèâGöüGÿån+ƒ.pâ+n+ín+ƒ.
LASERS BTCH!!!!!!
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Mobius Kaethis
Molon Labe.
General Tso's Alliance
1728
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Posted - 2014.08.14 04:17:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Mobius Kaethis wrote:Alena Ventrallis wrote:Buff the ammo to, say, 48. This gives it competitive damage per clip and means you can down a good amount of health before needing a reload. If the gun had 48 round mags it would do over 2000 damage per magazine. That is a truely OP amount of damage even considering its poor range. The SMG has almost that much... Also it would take an ion pistol almost 8 seconds if you maxed out the fire rate to fire all that off.
That is a good point. Don't you think that kind of sustained firing would be unbalancing though? It just seems like removing the Ion Pistol's need to reload as often as the other pistols is the wrong way to go though I could be swayed on this.
Fun > Realism
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Sgt Kirk
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I'm not sure what it is but hit detection seems much better on the Plasma Rifle now.
I'm not the only one that has noticed this but if you guys can do whatever you did to the Plasma Rifle to the Ion Pistol it would help it a lot CCP.
see you space cowboy...
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