DUST Search - [Discussion: Ion Pistol] Change Ion Pistol firing mode to automatic.

Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:

I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it.

it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head.

also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with.

I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something.

Eugh, One of these guys again.

You have to be pretty terrible at this game for you to be reduced to the Ion Pistols Level.

Here's a challenge, use a Scrambler Pistol and get back to me. In fact, use a Basic Scrambler Pistol compared to the Creodron and get back to me.

I swear there's always a person that says somethings not underpowered when it sucks.

Just like the people that said the plasma cannon was okay when I was completely terrible at it's job.

*scoffs* plebs, what can you do about them?

if the ion pistol was underpowered than why would I use it?

I PREFER THE FCKN THING OVER THE SCRAMBLER PISTOL.

can the scrambler pistol insta kill shot gun scouts??/ no.
can the ion pistol. yes

can the scrambler pistol fir 6 rounds under a second? no
can the ion pistol? yes.

can the scrambler charge no?
can the ion? yes.

the only thing the scrambler pistol has going for it is range over the ion. sure the ions range is crap but its got better cqc capability than a scrambler pistol.

other than that the scrambler pistol's dps is a lot lower than the ions.

,maybe you should get more accainted with the ion pistol befor you say it needs to be changed.

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Larry Desmo Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 80	Posted - 2014.08.03 00:05:00 - [31] - Quote the thing overheats to fast with charged shots, it should be able to get at least 2 before it overheats.
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3811	Posted - 2014.08.03 00:19:00 - [32] - Quote What the hell is this? Stop trying to invent the ultimate scrub gun. New shield module!
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6506	Posted - 2014.08.03 00:32:00 - [33] - Quote My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user. I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon. No More Excuses
Grand Master Kubo PIanet Express 103	Posted - 2014.08.03 01:08:00 - [34] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user. I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon. I agree. The scrambler rifle doesn't overheat after a single charge shot. I'm not saying that the Ion Pistol should be like the scrambler rifle but what if the Ion Pistol had a longer charge up time and no seize time? A certain amount of consecutive charge shots should seize it but with a longer charge time the Operation Skill would actually be useful.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6869	Posted - 2014.08.03 01:11:00 - [35] - Quote Grand Master Kubo wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user. I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon. I agree. The scrambler rifle doesn't overheat after a single charge shot. I'm not saying that the Ion Pistol should be like the scrambler rifle but what if the Ion Pistol had a longer charge up time and no seize time? A certain amount of consecutive charge shots should seize it but with a longer charge time the Operation Skill would actually be useful. Has to remember what the operation skill does Damn...this sucks. see you space cowboy...
ladwar HEARTS OF PHOENIX 2028	Posted - 2014.08.03 01:35:00 - [36] - Quote And here i thought the ion pistol was meant to be armaa because of the charged shoot, like a smaller scambler rifle. Level 2 Forum Warrior, bitter vet. I shall smite Thy Trolls with numbers and truth doing reviews in free time, want 1?
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6508	Posted - 2014.08.03 05:16:00 - [37] - Quote Grand Master Kubo wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user. I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon. I agree. The scrambler rifle doesn't overheat after a single charge shot. I'm not saying that the Ion Pistol should be like the scrambler rifle but what if the Ion Pistol had a longer charge up time and no seize time? A certain amount of consecutive charge shots should seize it but with a longer charge time the Operation Skill would actually be useful. Now that you bring it up, if they changed Ion Pistol Operation to reduce the Seize Time - I'd be one happy badger. No More Excuses
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1582	Posted - 2014.08.03 05:32:00 - [38] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: Grand Master Kubo wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user. I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon. I agree. The scrambler rifle doesn't overheat after a single charge shot. I'm not saying that the Ion Pistol should be like the scrambler rifle but what if the Ion Pistol had a longer charge up time and no seize time? A certain amount of consecutive charge shots should seize it but with a longer charge time the Operation Skill would actually be useful. Now that you bring it up, if they changed Ion Pistol Operation to reduce the Seize Time - I'd be one happy badger. That would be a great change. Fun > Realism
Hera Kaundur 501st Knights of Leanbox 0	Posted - 2014.08.03 06:00:00 - [39] - Quote The only thing the ion pistol needs, if anything is 2 shots before seizing and an a little looking into in the accuracy department, other then that there is nothing wrong with it. I mean have you seen how fast they tear apart scouts (apart from the brick-tanked ass-butts) Loyal Knight of CPU Green Heart
Hera Kaundur 501st Knights of Leanbox 0	Posted - 2014.08.03 06:31:00 - [40] - Quote Also MAKE MY CREODRON ION PISTOL ACTUAL PROTOTYPE COLOURS!!!! i was very depressed when i skilled into them and found that they were still basic/advanced colours.......... Loyal Knight of CPU Green Heart

NoxMort3m D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 502	Posted - 2014.08.03 07:11:00 - [41] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Mobius Kaethis wrote: /hold up picture of vindictive eyes and bows down "Logibo, Patron Saint of Logistics, Distributor of Nanites, and master of the look; I invoke you!" /creates elaborate spread sheet with many nicely colored graphs and bows down "Rattati, communicator, bearer of hot-fixes, and lover of evidence based reasoning; I invoke you!" "Oh blue tagged lords of the DUST514 forums it would greatly please us lowly, but strangely opinionated, consumers of your product to have you grace this thread with your presences; if only to indicate that you have noted our comments for future digestion in your great minds. It would please us greatly. So say we all!" /me emerges from a cloud of nanites [img]https://i.imgur.com/NMlDr3d.jpg[/img] I have looked upon thee and found your information of interest to our cause in the near future. Hold steady, for the time that balance is restored to the sidearm is nearly upon us; and you may be of assistance to us in this mission. Go forth and rep. May the nanites guide you. /me disappears back into the cloud of nanites +1 Director:Diplomat Search DL514 to apply
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 884	Posted - 2014.08.03 07:29:00 - [42] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: ... STUFF ... So, what do you guys think? While I agree the ion pistol is terrible, If we must change its mechanics, let it not be made to join the bloated ranks of fully automatic guns that litter this game. How about making it into a side arm shot gun? Or perhaps a gun that fires sticky balls of hot plasma that deal damage over time to anything it sticks to? Please, please. Anything but another machine gun. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1583	Posted - 2014.08.03 08:17:00 - [43] - Quote medomai grey wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: ... STUFF ... So, what do you guys think? While I agree the ion pistol is terrible, If we must change its mechanics, let it not be made to join the bloated ranks of fully automatic guns that litter this game. How about making it into a side arm shot gun? Or perhaps a gun that fires sticky balls of hot plasma that deal damage over time to anything it sticks to? Please, please. Anything but another machine gun. Funny enough I kind of like the hand shotgun concept but I worry that it would be much harder to balance. Fun > Realism
Mobius Kaethis Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1583	Posted - 2014.08.03 09:28:00 - [44] - Quote I have to give a thank you to MINA Longstrike on this one for correctly pointing out that my original spreadsheet did not account for the .25 second charge time per shot of the bolt pistol. It also had the wrong RoF for the Bolt pistol. I fixed both of these errors in the original spreadsheet and did some tinkering with the proposed stat changes as a result. The updated spreadsheet may be found here: Pistol Comparison After making these changes the graph clearly showed that the bolt pistol in its current state does the lowest DPS (297 to be precise) which fits with its huge range advantage but is just too dramatic of a difference to really be usable when compared with the scrambler pistol. The gun does have the highest current damage potential per mag though, mainly because of its massive per shot damage. This is great but since its DPS is so low it will be hard to apply all that damage before your opponent either runs away (if they are at long range) or kills you (if it is CQC). To help the bolt pistol compete with the other weapons (given their proposed changes) I kept its damage the same but boosted its DPS to 286.25. Taking into account the .25 second per shot charge this will let the bolt pistol fire 2.8 rounds per second giving it a DPS of 418.275. This is the lowest DPS of those proposed (but not my much) and the weapon still fits the inverse range to damage relationship that helps create balance amongst other weapons in the game. The proposed changes to the bolt pistol also include a single round reduction to its magazine size. Since the other change should allow the bolt pistol to apply its damage more readily it should not have the potential to do 891 damage per mag any longer. Shrinking the magazine to 5 still gives the bolt pistol the highest per mag damage potential at 742.5, a number I am still a bit worried about. As usual please dive in there with suggestions to help change the balance of pistols in the game. If I missed something, tell me. Fun > Realism
Kevall Longstride DUST University Ivy League 1529	Posted - 2014.08.03 10:44:00 - [45] - Quote Pretty solid analysis there M+¦bius. As a pure Gallante suit user it's rather annoying that the Ion Pistol isn't the CQC monster that it should be. Don't think that turning it into fully auto is the answer as we've too many auto weapons as it is. The main problem with the IP is the overheat cooldown mechanic leaving you vunerable and the DPS. The hip fire reduction that the Gallente Assault suit at Level III and above, has a significant boost on the weapons effectiveness at close range but the SP expenditure to achieve that is huge when compared to say what's required for the SMG and SCP to become effective sidearms. Personally speaking I think keeping the 12 round clip but having it as a three round burst to increase the ROF and a 40-60% reduction in the charge cooldown! would keep it as a skill weapon but promote it as the CQC sidearm the Gallente deserve. CPM 1 member CEO of DUST University
Racro 01 Arifistan 501st Knights of Leanbox 397	Posted - 2014.08.03 13:02:00 - [46] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it. it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head. also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with. I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something. Eugh, One of these guys again. You have to be pretty terrible at this game for you to be reduced to the Ion Pistols Level. Here's a challenge, use a Scrambler Pistol and get back to me. In fact, use a Basic Scrambler Pistol compared to the Creodron and get back to me. I swear there's always a person that says somethings not underpowered when it sucks. Just like the people that said the plasma cannon was okay when I was completely terrible at it's job. scoffs plebs, what can you do about them? if the ion pistol was underpowered than why would I use it? I PREFER THE FCKN THING OVER THE SCRAMBLER PISTOL. can the scrambler pistol insta kill shot gun scouts??/ no. can the ion pistol. yes can the scrambler pistol fir 6 rounds under a second? no can the ion pistol? yes. can the scrambler charge no? can the ion? yes. the only thing the scrambler pistol has going for it is range over the ion. sure the ions range is crap but its got better cqc capability than a scrambler pistol. other than that the scrambler pistol's dps is a lot lower than the ions. ,maybe you should get more accainted with the ion pistol befor you say it needs to be changed. *Elite Gallenten Soldier*
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6885	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:14:00 - [47] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it. it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head. also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with. I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something. Eugh, One of these guys again. You have to be pretty terrible at this game for you to be reduced to the Ion Pistols Level. Here's a challenge, use a Scrambler Pistol and get back to me. In fact, use a Basic Scrambler Pistol compared to the Creodron and get back to me. I swear there's always a person that says somethings not underpowered when it sucks. Just like the people that said the plasma cannon was okay when I was completely terrible at it's job. scoffs plebs, what can you do about them? if the ion pistol was underpowered than why would I use it? I PREFER THE FCKN THING OVER THE SCRAMBLER PISTOL. can the scrambler pistol insta kill shot gun scouts??/ no. can the ion pistol. yes can the scrambler pistol fir 6 rounds under a second? no can the ion pistol? yes. can the scrambler charge no? can the ion? yes. the only thing the scrambler pistol has going for it is range over the ion. sure the ions range is crap but its got better cqc capability than a scrambler pistol. other than that the scrambler pistol's dps is a lot lower than the ions. ,maybe you should get more accainted with the ion pistol befor you say it needs to be changed. I use the Ion Pistol, I use it because it is Gallente. I have used it since day one and level 5'd most of the skills. Maybe you should stop going in pub matches one shotting militia suits and saying it's good. Bring it into a PC match or a competitive FW match and see how much you get smashed using the Ion Pistol. see you space cowboy...
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11219	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:20:00 - [48] - Quote You know your Pistol is crappy when you'd rather Melee than use it. If I don't, who will? -HAND
Temias Mercurial Knights Of Ender RISE of LEGION 144	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:18:00 - [49] - Quote How does the idea of a 3-burst Ion pistol sound, and the charge shot having a large amount of kick, but still fires 3 shots? My apologies if I come off as an elitist, but I try to view things objectively, logically, and factually.
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 393	Posted - 2014.08.03 17:57:00 - [50] - Quote Tighter hipfire, damage increase and change the heat up mechanic. Easy.

Alabastor 'TheBlaster' Alcar Silver Bullet Solutions DARKSTAR ARMY 714	Posted - 2014.08.03 19:13:00 - [51] - Quote just the ability to fire 2 charged shots woud be good enough for me
BL4CKST4R LATINOS KILLERS CORP Dark Taboo 2861	Posted - 2014.08.03 21:52:00 - [52] - Quote Oh please for the love of god and everything holy don't make it automatic unless you increase the clip and range slightly. If it was fully automatic with the same clip it will still remain the crappies weapon In the game since it will take a couple of reload to kill anything. By the time your done reloading any other side arm will murder you. supercalifragilisticexpialidocious
dzizur 6 dayz 40	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:19:00 - [53] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: I use the Ion Pistol, I use it because it is Gallente. I have used it since day one and level 5'd most of the skills. Maybe you should stop going in pub matches one shotting militia suits and saying it's good. Bring it into a PC match or a competitive FW match and see how much you get smashed using the Ion Pistol. Catering to PC is a stupid move , and you know it, how many people have a chance to even take part in it? as for plasma cannon being UP, I have been using it for quite a long time and i think it's (and was, even before the buff) a great AV weapon against lav, tanks and sometimes even dropships (those sweet gunner kills :) ) not to mention spamming it in a 3 man squad in cqc. like the dude before said, ion pistol has it's own niche right now which is one-shoting scouts ( yeah , Scouts, not those brick tanked assaults in scout suits), but i'm quite sure it needs a little buff in the overheat/charge shot mechanic and thats it! please don't make it OP, I rather kill with a UP weapon and be happy about pulling it off than having a damn hand cannon that one shots all light/medium suits and has a full auto mode. what I would really like to see, is to exchange scrambler pistol with the ion one.Don't get me wrong, I'm a very big fan of the scrambler pistol but the charge mechanic seems more fitting for the scp than ion pistol (as scrambler rifle has the same mechanic). I'm pretty sure that's off the table, but it's just a thought.
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 61	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:35:00 - [54] - Quote Ok time for the person who reminds you pistols aren't automatic. They will fix this but not by making it automatic. *Eye of the Reaper*
ViS Assaulter Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 16	Posted - 2014.08.05 16:59:00 - [55] - Quote Please fix a bug that freeze use ion pistol before it! Translating DUST514 News into Japanese on Twitter(@DUST514_Japan) @ViS_Assaulter
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6955	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:03:00 - [56] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: Ok time for the person who reminds you pistols aren't automatic. They will fix this but not by making it automatic. We've already had this discussion. Actually read the thread before you comment. And yes, Pistol can actually be Automatic if you didn't know. see you space cowboy...
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 61	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:16:00 - [57] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: wiseguy12 wrote: Ok time for the person who reminds you pistols aren't automatic. They will fix this but not by making it automatic. We've already had this discussion. Actually read the thread before you comment. And yes, Pistol can actually be Automatic if you didn't know. I normally do read a full post but when I gotta do something I don't. But Pistols are not automatic machine pistols are. Please be more considerate to peoples situations. Any way the majority of these post end up being gibberish of people who just want the they spec'd into to be good for that reason. It is a sidearm use it to lower shield then shoot them with your other gun. *Eye of the Reaper*
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11256	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:25:00 - [58] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: But Pistols are not automatic machine pistols are. If there's one thing I want in my Sci-Fi FPS, it's rock solid realism. If I don't, who will? -HAND
wiseguy12 Ancient Legion 61	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:28:00 - [59] - Quote Atiim wrote: wiseguy12 wrote: But Pistols are not automatic machine pistols are. If there's one thing I want in my Sci-Fi FPS, it's rock solid realism. Woo sarcasm I'm just trying to be politically correct. The auto ion pistol could be the assault variant. *Eye of the Reaper*
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6957	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:32:00 - [60] - Quote Hera Kaundur wrote: Also MAKE MY CREODRON ION PISTOL ACTUAL PROTOTYPE COLOURS!!!! i was very depressed when i skilled into them and found that they were still basic/advanced colours.......... Here, have your first like. see you space cowboy...



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