DUST Search - [Discussion: Ion Pistol] Change Ion Pistol firing mode to automatic.

Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:

Sgt Kirk wrote:

Racro 01 Arifistan wrote:

I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it.

it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head.

also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with.

I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something.

Eugh, One of these guys again.

You have to be pretty terrible at this game for you to be reduced to the Ion Pistols Level.

Here's a challenge, use a Scrambler Pistol and get back to me. In fact, use a Basic Scrambler Pistol compared to the Creodron and get back to me.

I swear there's always a person that says somethings not underpowered when it sucks.

Just like the people that said the plasma cannon was okay when I was completely terrible at it's job.

*scoffs* plebs, what can you do about them?

if the ion pistol was underpowered than why would I use it?

I PREFER THE FCKN THING OVER THE SCRAMBLER PISTOL.

can the scrambler pistol insta kill shot gun scouts??/ no.
can the ion pistol. yes

can the scrambler pistol fir 6 rounds under a second? no
can the ion pistol? yes.

can the scrambler charge no?
can the ion? yes.

the only thing the scrambler pistol has going for it is range over the ion. sure the ions range is crap but its got better cqc capability than a scrambler pistol.

other than that the scrambler pistol's dps is a lot lower than the ions.

,maybe you should get more accainted with the ion pistol befor you say it needs to be changed.


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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6847	Posted - 2014.08.01 14:00:00 - [1] - Quote You heard me. I've used this gun since it first came out, it's the only Gallente Sidearm so I have no choice. This weapon is in dire need of salvation, it's arguably the worst weapon in the game right beside the Flaylock. I feel that this change, if possible, would put the Ion Pistol where it needs to be. For now let's say we had the same damage, same incredibly short range but with 550 RPM ( Magsec SMG fires at 666.67, I'm not joking) and same 12 round clip. This would put the Ion Pistol at a high amount of DPS without allowing it to be a "No SKill" weapon, it would also allow the Ion Pistol to actually be Viable. More Importantly it would make the Ion Pistol act like a Gallente Weapon Here are the Stats for my Proposed Ion Pistol using the Creodron Ion Pistol as reference: Meta Level8 Damage 55 Rate of Fire 550 RPM DPS 504.16 Clip Size 12 Ammo72 Reload Time2.533 Optimal Range 22 Effective Range42m Yes, I know that's a pretty high DPS, but looks at it's small range, and with the accuracy and recoil good luck hitting all your shots in a CQC environment. Of course these numbers aren't final and can be tweaked here and there for fine tuning purposes. So, what do you guys think? see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6847	Posted - 2014.08.01 14:31:00 - [2] - Quote That's all fine. I just want my Ion Pistol to be viable! Ok, so a small damage buff instead. I wouldn't mind at all, keep in mind the Viziam Scrambler pistol actually gets over 100 dmg per shot with max skills and I'm sure its not OP in anyway. So mobius, I do not think you have to be too careful with it being OP, you have a huge range to play with, especially with it's small range. see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6852	Posted - 2014.08.01 22:40:00 - [3] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: The only pistol that should even be semi-auto is a minmatar machine pistol. If you want automatic weaponry you want a SMG. Pistols are single or burst fire. automatic pistols exist in the real world btw see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6854	Posted - 2014.08.02 02:23:00 - [4] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it. it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head. also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with. I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something. Eugh, One of these guys again. You have to be pretty terrible at this game for you to be reduced to the Ion Pistols Level. Here's a challenge, use a Scrambler Pistol and get back to me. In fact, use a Basic Scrambler Pistol compared to the Creodron and get back to me. I swear there's always a person that says somethings not underpowered when it sucks. Just like the people that said the plasma cannon was okay when I was completely terrible at it's job. scoffs plebs, what can you do about them? see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6855	Posted - 2014.08.02 07:01:00 - [5] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: This means that the longest range weapon had the best damage dealing potential while the sortest range weapon had the least. I swear to you they live by this rule. CCP doesn't understand that CQC weapons should be good at CQC while Long Range weapons shouldn't be as good as the CQC weapons. This statement sums up DUST 514 in a nutshell. All in all Great Stuff Mobius! I hope CCP takes a look at this but I still feel like the Charge for the Ion Pistol should be reevaluated. Maybe overheats in two shots? After all, it is the "coup de grace" so to say of the Ion Pistol, and it's the most detrimental thing to use the pistol for. see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6869	Posted - 2014.08.03 01:11:00 - [6] - Quote Grand Master Kubo wrote: Aeon Amadi wrote: My only issue with the Ion Pistol is the charged shot seize duration. It's a very skill-oriented option (charged shot) and if you miss it's very punishing on the user. I mean, if you're looking at it from a DPS perspective, you have to consider the two second cool-down time after a charged shot. Sure that alpha damage is fairly high (350 I think?) but spending the next two seconds waiting to be able to fire it again is a pain in the [redacted]. I personally think you could leave all the other stats alone and just work on it's seize duration a bit and it's turn into a really well balanced weapon. I agree. The scrambler rifle doesn't overheat after a single charge shot. I'm not saying that the Ion Pistol should be like the scrambler rifle but what if the Ion Pistol had a longer charge up time and no seize time? A certain amount of consecutive charge shots should seize it but with a longer charge time the Operation Skill would actually be useful. Has to remember what the operation skill does Damn...this sucks. see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6885	Posted - 2014.08.03 14:14:00 - [7] - Quote Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: Sgt Kirk wrote: Racro 01 Arifistan wrote: I use the ion pistol constantly and i have no issues with it. it does fine on ym gallente scout. but on my gall assault. ehehehehe. . it keeps the shotgun scouts away and a charge round is good as a follow up from 2-3 rapid fire shots. nothing like plowing 4 rounds into a heavy then deliving a nasty charge shot punch to his head. also good for shooting snipers in the back of the head with. I swear the creo ion pistol charge damage is close to 550 or something. Eugh, One of these guys again. You have to be pretty terrible at this game for you to be reduced to the Ion Pistols Level. Here's a challenge, use a Scrambler Pistol and get back to me. In fact, use a Basic Scrambler Pistol compared to the Creodron and get back to me. I swear there's always a person that says somethings not underpowered when it sucks. Just like the people that said the plasma cannon was okay when I was completely terrible at it's job. scoffs plebs, what can you do about them? if the ion pistol was underpowered than why would I use it? I PREFER THE FCKN THING OVER THE SCRAMBLER PISTOL. can the scrambler pistol insta kill shot gun scouts??/ no. can the ion pistol. yes can the scrambler pistol fir 6 rounds under a second? no can the ion pistol? yes. can the scrambler charge no? can the ion? yes. the only thing the scrambler pistol has going for it is range over the ion. sure the ions range is crap but its got better cqc capability than a scrambler pistol. other than that the scrambler pistol's dps is a lot lower than the ions. ,maybe you should get more accainted with the ion pistol befor you say it needs to be changed. I use the Ion Pistol, I use it because it is Gallente. I have used it since day one and level 5'd most of the skills. Maybe you should stop going in pub matches one shotting militia suits and saying it's good. Bring it into a PC match or a competitive FW match and see how much you get smashed using the Ion Pistol. see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6955	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:03:00 - [8] - Quote wiseguy12 wrote: Ok time for the person who reminds you pistols aren't automatic. They will fix this but not by making it automatic. We've already had this discussion. Actually read the thread before you comment. And yes, Pistol can actually be Automatic if you didn't know. see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6957	Posted - 2014.08.05 17:32:00 - [9] - Quote Hera Kaundur wrote: Also MAKE MY CREODRON ION PISTOL ACTUAL PROTOTYPE COLOURS!!!! i was very depressed when i skilled into them and found that they were still basic/advanced colours.......... Here, have your first like. see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6994	Posted - 2014.08.06 05:18:00 - [10] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Lightning35 Delta514 wrote: I guess this isn't so bad, but the honest truth is I don't feel this way about it. The ion pistol is really good at what it is for. It has never failed me. I huess there could be a variation like an assault ion that works as stated. When you say this it makes me wonder if you even looked at the pistol comparison spreadsheet I made. It is clear that the Ion Pistol's stats are too low for it to actually be a competetive weapon. Sure you can kill with it, it can be used, but that doesn't mean it is balanced with the other weapons or even decent for what you are trying to do with it. This is something many people fail to realise. Yes, you can use a weapon. Yes, you can get kills with that weapons sometimes, especially against pub noobs. Yes, you can think it's a good weapon but that doesn't make it so. I was once like you as a young clone. When I was a young clone, I spoke and thought and reasoned as a blueberry. But when I grew up, I put away blueberry things. see you space cowboy...

Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7006	Posted - 2014.08.06 05:25:00 - [11] - Quote Thaddeus Reynolds wrote: I really wanted a machine pistol option anyway...so +1 Hahaha I've fallen away from the Machine Pistol Idea but I still think it would be a cool feature, I just want my Ion Pistol to be good. I do not care what they do to it. At least for an Assault Ion Pistol Variant. I'd like to see a 3 shot burst Minmatar Pistol. Like a Beretta 93R. That makes me so moist just thinking about a 3 round burst Minmatar Pistol see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7061	Posted - 2014.08.07 07:37:00 - [12] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Alena Ventrallis wrote: Buff the ammo to, say, 48. This gives it competitive damage per clip and means you can down a good amount of health before needing a reload. If the gun had 48 round mags it would do over 2000 damage per magazine. That is a truely OP amount of damage even considering its poor range. Well, to be honest it's not like you'd hit anything with the horrid hit detection. see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7183	Posted - 2014.08.13 05:17:00 - [13] - Quote Mobius Kaethis wrote: Sum1ne Else wrote: ...^ TL;DR sooooo should I spec into this gun or not guys? Right now it is only worth it if you are wanting to play on hard mode. Melee attacks do more dps than the ion pistol right now. that's a very true fact you Ion Pistol apologists can write down. see you space cowboy...
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 7206	Posted - 2014.08.14 04:27:00 - [14] - Quote I'm not sure what it is but hit detection seems much better on the Plasma Rifle now. I'm not the only one that has noticed this but if you guys can do whatever you did to the Plasma Rifle to the Ion Pistol it would help it a lot CCP. see you space cowboy...