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ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:52:00 - [1] - Quote you done whining yet wall hackers... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2215	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:53:00 - [2] - Quote Someone needs to do a number check and see if it is at least equal to the old values, if it is less then the old values then I need to smack someone... "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 602	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:34:00 - [3] - Quote Can't Code Properly: "A lot of players are doing something, and some of the others are complaining...what do we do?" Crappy Chinese Programmer: "Ruin one of them and be done with another chunk of the population." Can't Code Properly: "Ahhh, the old 'Business As Usual' trick?" Crappy Chinese Programmer: "That's the one." Piece of **** Blueberry: "When are we getting MTACs/pirplz lazzorz/capes?" PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Michael Arck 4947	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:42:00 - [4] - Quote I've been playing for two years. I can tell you now they aren't even close to being done yet. Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2601	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:46:00 - [5] - Quote Because who needed enough PG/CPU to fit 2 suits on a single sentinel. Tanker/Logi
medomai grey WarRavens Final Resolution. 871	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:48:00 - [6] - Quote RYN0CER0S wrote: Can't Code Properly: "A lot of players are doing something, and some of the others are complaining...what do we do?" Crappy Chinese Programmer: "Ruin one of them and be done with another chunk of the population." Can't Code Properly: "Ahhh, the old 'Business As Usual' trick?" Crappy Chinese Programmer: "That's the one." Piece of **** Blueberry: "When are we getting MTACs/pirplz lazzorz/capes?" The racism is strong with this one. Medium frame EHP is not medium
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4474	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:51:00 - [7] - Quote A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:55:00 - [8] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10883	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:55:00 - [9] - Quote medomai grey wrote: ]The racism is strong with this one. It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China. And nothing of value was lost that day... -HAND
Floyd20 Azizora Forty-Nine Fedayeen Minmatar Republic 68	Posted - 2014.07.24 07:08:00 - [10] - Quote I believe sentinel 's are getting a fitting bonus to heavy weapons as well.

Broonfondle Majikthies Dogs of War Gaming 1223	Posted - 2014.07.24 07:12:00 - [11] - Quote Cus CCP obviously doesn't like my regen heavy so want me to tank like everyone else -_- "The air smells damp and oppressive, like a wet nun" "Why am I talking to a lightbulb? Illuminate me"
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.07.24 07:14:00 - [12] - Quote Floyd20 Azizora wrote: I believe sentinel 's are getting a fitting bonus to heavy weapons as well. thats cool give wallhackers a fitting bonus to ewar mods, sidearms, SG, and SR. Then cut their cpu and pg in half. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 811	Posted - 2014.07.24 10:36:00 - [13] - Quote The Amarr sentinel at proto level is losing 105 CPU while a proto HMG only receives a 23 CPU reduction. The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. I have not added up the numbers for when electronics and engineering skills are applied but the ratio of the changes is obviously meant to nerf tanking on heavies. Sorry to all you guys that went heavy while it was FOTM but in CCP fashion the nerf hammer is coming down. Hopefully I am missing something in the numbers but it seems that the day of the scouts and assaults has come. We will see which reigns king soon enough.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 213	Posted - 2014.07.24 11:28:00 - [14] - Quote 1. To kill best scout, you only need ScR/ACR and whatever suit. 2. 3k heavy is like proto medium suit. 3. Now on adv cal sent i can eqiup proto fg/hmg and almost all complex mods. So its good that theyre cutting down cpu/pg 4. Scouts should have more pg/cpu. You only need to eqiup gun and few plates/extenders. Thats all. We eqiup 2 eqiupments which takes more cpu/pg than your guns+module. We eqiup modules which takes 30-90cpu and 0-15pg each (mostly 8-15). So gtfo. -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Jack McReady DUST University Ivy League 1521	Posted - 2014.07.24 11:36:00 - [15] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Floyd20 Azizora wrote: I believe sentinel 's are getting a fitting bonus to heavy weapons as well. thats cool give wallhackers a fitting bonus to ewar mods, sidearms, SG, and SR. Then cut their cpu and pg in half. you can get that, but the process of implementing this costs the light weapon slot
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2014.07.24 16:53:00 - [16] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: 1. To kill best scout, you only need ScR/ACR and whatever suit. 2. 3k heavy is like proto medium suit. 3. Now on adv cal sent i can eqiup proto fg/hmg and almost all complex mods. So its good that theyre cutting down cpu/pg 4. Scouts should have more pg/cpu. You only need to eqiup gun and few plates/extenders. Thats all. We eqiup 2 eqiupments which takes more cpu/pg than your guns+module. We eqiup modules which takes 30-90cpu and 0-15pg each (mostly 8-15). So gtfo. does your invisiblity really count when you get a 75% reduction to fitting it? guess what plates extenders and reps cost the same if not more then most of your wallhacking and invisibility modules. Im willing to meet halfway here you hackers should have so little cpu and pg that using anything other then a "scouty" weapon and modules should be impossible. PS. YOU G T F O If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
MassiveNine Sinq Laison Gendarmes Gallente Federation 848	Posted - 2014.07.24 16:56:00 - [17] - Quote As long as I can still fit: x4 Complex Reppers Boundless HMG Ishukone Magsec Core Locus nade Complex DMG mod I'll be happy. Official DUST514 LAV Mechanic
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:02:00 - [18] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: As long as I can still fit: x4 Complex Reppers Boundless HMG Ishukone Magsec Core Locus nade Complex DMG mod I'll be happy. good news YOU CANT even with all core engineering and electronics skills maxed out If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
Bethhy Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 2284	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:08:00 - [19] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: you done whining yet wall hackers... Re-balancing CPU/PG values on suits will be the hardest job Rattati and LogiBro has had to do yet. There is a reason we haven't seen much for blue tags for the last week or so. There are so many values and circumstances to consider it could make your mind explode. This is why it is essential to have a core vision and ideal around the balance of a game and to follow that strictly. Not develop balance and tweak on knee jerk reactions, but around the core ideal. Rattati is still figuring that out.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7842	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:10:00 - [20] - Quote Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR

843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 123	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:14:00 - [21] - Quote Atiim wrote: medomai grey wrote: ]The racism is strong with this one. It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China. its racism since it specifially points toward people from china, its derogitory and should not be put in a forum
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:24:00 - [22] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. was it really that hard to kill a heavy, wallhacker If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3677	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:26:00 - [23] - Quote Just checked on Proto fits. Gallente sentinel GK.0 Boundless HMG Proto Assault SMG Proto flux 2 enhanced dmg mods 2 complex armour reps 1 complex plate. Just clocks in 4 CPU over and 4 PG under for hotfix Charlie. Now I don't know if the fitting reduction to heavy weapons was applied or not, but if it is...they should probably get a reduction to sidearms and grenades as well. Somebody tell Rattattooie! "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3685	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:32:00 - [24] - Quote Theres no real issue with the suits. You still can fit heavys properly like these: Charlie Ak.0 sentinel charlie Mk.0 sentinel Chralie Ck.0 sentinel Charlie GK.0 sentinel So wheres the issue?
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:41:00 - [25] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Just checked on Proto fits. Gallente sentinel GK.0 Boundless HMG Proto Assault SMG Proto flux 2 enhanced dmg mods 2 complex armour reps 1 complex plate. Just clocks in 4 CPU over and 4 PG under for hotfix Charlie. Now I don't know if the fitting reduction to heavy weapons was applied or not, but if it is...they should probably get a reduction to sidearms and grenades as well. Somebody tell Rattattooie! it was you can check by mousing over the weapon If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7842	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:42:00 - [26] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. was it really that hard to kill a heavy, wallhacker When there's six of them, yeah, it is. Calling me a wallhacker? Lame excuse for being bad. Sure, Scouts have problems, but to sit here and act like nothing is wrong with Heavies at all? Lol King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR
TheD1CK Dead Man's Game Dark Taboo 1143	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:43:00 - [27] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: you done whining yet wall hackers... Typical Dust logic... Why are they getting that.. b-b-b-because I want it too!!! Careful young heavy, no need to toss all the toys from your pram Scouts have more modules than you, along with 2 equipment.. this needs more PG And your point on armour modules?? they cost a fraction of biotics in PG so scouts need it more Derp
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:45:00 - [28] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Theres no real issue with the suits. You still can fit heavys properly like these: Charlie Ak.0 sentinel charlie Mk.0 sentinel Chralie Ck.0 sentinel Charlie GK.0 sentinel So wheres the issue? You have to be joking EVERY SINGLE ONE of your fits exceed CPU AND PG If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 4	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:45:00 - [29] - Quote If you have core skills maxed with engineering and electronics as well , you should be able to equip a proto suit with mostly proto gear and the rest adv gear. The decision should be which modules/weapon will be proto or adv on the proto suit. The reductions, on sentinnels, being made doesnt allow that on all builds. Why hand out random numbers if your going to have to change them again only to another set of random numbers. This isnt a Heavy vs Scout issue . It appears to be more a lets make the Assaults stand out more so people come back to Assaults. I Agree the Assaults need the buffs but not by nerfing other classes.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3956	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:50:00 - [30] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: you done whining yet wall hackers... If you are not factoring in the fitting bonus for Heavy Weapons then you are doing it wrong. Only the Rifle Sentinels should be QQing. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:53:00 - [31] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: you done whining yet wall hackers... If you are not factoring in the fitting bonus for Heavy Weapons then you are doing it wrong. Only the Rifle Sentinels should be QQing. The fitting bonus is included and that's why i'm annoyed. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3678	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:17:00 - [32] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Just checked on Proto fits. Gallente sentinel GK.0 Boundless HMG Proto Assault SMG Proto flux 2 enhanced dmg mods 2 complex armour reps 1 complex plate. Just clocks in 4 CPU over and 4 PG under for hotfix Charlie. Now I don't know if the fitting reduction to heavy weapons was applied or not, but if it is...they should probably get a reduction to sidearms and grenades as well. Somebody tell Rattattooie! it was you can check by mousing over the weapon That's not the worst thing...but they really should get a larger fitting reduction on heavy weapons at least(and sidearms as well) I haven't even tried to check the FG. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5737	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:18:00 - [33] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Cloaks cost a lot more than plates and reps do pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4490	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:20:00 - [34] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2231	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:25:00 - [35] - Quote Looking closer and I'm fine with the new numbers, it is still better then the old Sent values, and I can finally put to use my HMG Optimization skill again. The old Amarr Proto Sent once you fit four complex plates, a complex d-mod, and a boundless HMG, only had around four-six PG left for sidearms and grenades even with HMG Opt skill and maxed core skills giving +30% to CPU and PG. These new values are fine imo. Maybe these values will chase off some of the FOTM users who were lazy and lacked proper core skills. Though I'll miss mowing down "fake" heavies. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:28:00 - [36] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2232	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:32:00 - [37] - Quote Seriously people, I've used heavies since, well, two weeks after they ever existed. These new PG/CPU values are better then they have ever been besides the current iteration which is a bit nuts. The instant they changed them to what we have now after 1.7 I knew someone was going to get nerfed, the current values are just too high. HFC won't "break" heavies, it will put them properly in line with the rest of the suits. Currently heavies don't have to think to fit crap on a suit, and what you can fit on a basic frame is ridiculous. But hey, that's just, like, my opinion... man. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4490	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:35:00 - [38] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Lol he don't know me very well I'm a gallente scout who has ZERO SP in shotguns, cloak, or sniper rifle. As if I could use my PG for such things. Do you know what costs more PG than armor plates? Kinetic Catalyzers. Oh but you don't see heavies using those now do you? You see scouts using them. There is no extra PG on a scout WTF is wallhacking? Do you mean codebreakers? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7843	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:36:00 - [39] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 720	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:41:00 - [40] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Mejt0 wrote: 1. To kill best scout, you only need ScR/ACR and whatever suit. 2. 3k heavy is like proto medium suit. 3. Now on adv cal sent i can eqiup proto fg/hmg and almost all complex mods. So its good that theyre cutting down cpu/pg 4. Scouts should have more pg/cpu. You only need to eqiup gun and few plates/extenders. Thats all. We eqiup 2 eqiupments which takes more cpu/pg than your guns+module. We eqiup modules which takes 30-90cpu and 0-15pg each (mostly 8-15). So gtfo. does your invisiblity really count when you get a 75% reduction to fitting it? guess what plates extenders and reps cost the same if not more then most of your wallhacking and invisibility modules. Im willing to meet halfway here you hackers should have so little cpu and pg that using anything other then a "scouty" weapon and modules should be impossible. PS. YOU G T F O HMG fitting optimisation - copies sold 0

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:42:00 - [41] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Lol he don't know me very well I'm a gallente scout who has ZERO SP in shotguns, cloak, or sniper rifle. As if I could use my PG for such things. Do you know what costs more PG than armor plates? Kinetic Catalyzers. Oh but you don't see heavies using those now do you? You see scouts using them. There is no extra PG on a scout WTF is wallhacking? Do you mean codebreakers? used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:42:00 - [42] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Atiim wrote: medomai grey wrote: ]The racism is strong with this one. It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China. its racism since it specifially points toward people from china, its derogitory and should not be put in a forum Some of you have yet to actually experience racism I see. Also Derogatory, also it really isn't because he is simply stating that since CCP shanghai has taken the reins the game has taken a ****, it has significantly LESS to do with them being chinese, and more to do with china producing low cost low quality product for years. More of a business stereotype with factual basis in business reality than anything. rac-+ism: noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Also, I'm not sure how I feel about the fitting changes, I severely hope all my fittings aren't invalid when I return from vacation... but I doubt they will be. Party on dudes. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:44:00 - [43] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... I'm not the one with the aching anus that award goes to the invisible wallhacking SGing midgets colloquially known as scouts. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11234	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:44:00 - [44] - Quote They might be wallhackers, but you have 5 times their HP and double their DPS. QQ harder Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:46:00 - [45] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Atiim wrote: medomai grey wrote: ]The racism is strong with this one. It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China. its racism since it specifially points toward people from china, its derogitory and should not be put in a forum Some of you have yet to actually experience racism I see. Also Derogatory, also it really isn't because he is simply stating that since CCP shanghai has taken the reins the game has taken a ***, it has significantly LESS to do with them being chinese, and more to do with china producing low cost low quality product for years. More of a business stereotype with factual basis in business reality than anything. rac-+ism: noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Also, I'm not sure how I feel about the fitting changes, I severely hope all my fittings aren't invalid when I return from vacation... but I doubt they will be. Party on dudes. spoiler alert* they WILL BE If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 720	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:46:00 - [46] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Lol he don't know me very well I'm a gallente scout who has ZERO SP in shotguns, cloak, or sniper rifle. As if I could use my PG for such things. Do you know what costs more PG than armor plates? Kinetic Catalyzers. Oh but you don't see heavies using those now do you? You see scouts using them. There is no extra PG on a scout WTF is wallhacking? Do you mean codebreakers? I'll have you know i run 3 complex kin cats on one of my full proto amar heavies, I have some trouble though with.... 2 complex shield extenders, kala forge, proto nades, 2 complex cardiac regs and a complex kin cat. I can't quite fit the ishy SMG on it. FML!
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:46:00 - [47] - Quote Heavies are slow and wide (large hitbox) , as nimble as an installation., a meat shield. Even if equipped with biotics the Heavy is slower than a rolling rock with a hitbox the size of a side of a barn. Whenever I use my scout and change to a Heavy , it feels like a sloth that cant even jump a curb. Heavies are for gank and tank, its all theyre good for , hardly mobile. Maybe we should let them fit whatever they want.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:47:00 - [48] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: They might be wallhackers, but you have 5 times their HP and double their DPS. QQ harder I couldn't even BEGIN to QQ as hard as they have... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4491	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:48:00 - [49] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this Oh Wall hacking! I thought you meant like all those times heavies can put their HMG through walls and kill you. Oh so since when did scouts make walls transparent? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:49:00 - [50] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: I'll have you know i run 3 complex kin cats on one of my full proto amar heavies, I have some trouble though with.... 2 complex shield extenders, kala forge, proto nades, 2 complex cardiac regs and a complex kin cat. I can't quite fit the ishy SMG on it. FML! Try that with the new numbers If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:49:00 - [51] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: spoiler alert they WILL BE How much are they actually shaving off of the fitting space? I run Gallente heavy, and I have a big chunk on my proto to spare, thats with all complex plates/reps in the lows, complex damage in the high, Six Kin burst, six kin ASMG, and m8 Locus.... Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:50:00 - [52] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this Oh Wall hacking! I thought you meant like all those times heavies can put their HMG through walls and kill you. Oh so since when did scouts make walls transparent? you see distance and direction faced. do you need a bigger crutch then that? If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:52:00 - [53] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: spoiler alert they WILL BE How much are they actually shaving off of the fitting space? I run Gallente heavy, and I have a big chunk on my proto to spare, thats with all complex plates/reps in the lows, complex damage in the high, Six Kin burst, six kin ASMG, and m8 Locus.... 274 base CPU 53 base PG don't know your skill but I'm sure you can figure it out. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7844	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:53:00 - [54] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... I'm not the one with the aching anus that award goes to the invisible wallhacking SGing midgets colloquially known as scouts. How are Scouts butthurt? You seem pretty butthurt. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4492	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:55:00 - [55] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this Oh Wall hacking! I thought you meant like all those times heavies can put their HMG through walls and kill you. Oh so since when did scouts make walls transparent? you see distance and direction faced. do you need a bigger crutch then that? That's not a hack that's a game mechanic It's been like this forever where were you calling scouts wallhacks 2 years ago? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4492	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:56:00 - [56] - Quote Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:58:00 - [57] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... I'm not the one with the aching anus that award goes to the invisible wallhacking SGing midgets colloquially known as scouts. How are Scouts butthurt? You seem pretty butthurt. shall I pull up the MULTITUDE of threads started by SCOUTS (no one else just scouts) complaining about the one suit that takes more then one SG blast to kill...(I'd rather not but if you insist I will do it....) If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:58:00 - [58] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Reign Omega wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: spoiler alert they WILL BE How much are they actually shaving off of the fitting space? I run Gallente heavy, and I have a big chunk on my proto to spare, thats with all complex plates/reps in the lows, complex damage in the high, Six Kin burst, six kin ASMG, and m8 Locus.... 274 base CPU 53 base PG don't know your skill but I'm sure you can figure it out. So 100 CPU, and 30 PG give or take? Seems like a lot tbh, but I won't know for sure for 2 weeks, when does Carlito deploy? Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:01:00 - [59] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... WHAT SANE SCOUT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT CHARLIE??! after all their biggest threat is getting castrated PS maybe cal scouts whining about not having the highest precision AND range on their wall hacks If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2234	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:02:00 - [60] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: So 100 CPU, and 30 PG give or take? Seems like a lot tbh, but I won't know for sure for 2 weeks It's back to the normal old levels, maybe a smidge higher. With maxed core we're talking about 69 PG, and if you're a relic with some points in HMG Optz then you'll likely only have to downgrade your sidearm and nades which are pretty minor, all things considered. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7844	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:03:00 - [61] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: shall I pull up the MULTITUDE of threads started by SCOUTS (no one else just scouts) complaining about the one suit that takes more then one SG blast to kill...(I'd rather not but if you insist I will do it....) They aren't complaining simply because they're scouts, but because the Heavy spam is ridiculous. I bet you never thought of that. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. Cross Atu for CPM1 /o/
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:05:00 - [62] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: shall I pull up the MULTITUDE of threads started by SCOUTS (no one else just scouts) complaining about the one suit that takes more then one SG blast to kill...(I'd rather not but if you insist I will do it....) They aren't complaining simply because they're scouts, but because the Heavy spam is ridiculous. I bet you never thought of that. Yet those threads are started ONLY by scouts... Smells like anusache to me If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 625	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:13:00 - [63] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Reign Omega wrote: So 100 CPU, and 30 PG give or take? Seems like a lot tbh, but I won't know for sure for 2 weeks It's back to the normal old levels, maybe a smidge higher. With maxed core we're talking about 69 PG, and if you're a relic with some points in HMG Optz then you'll likely only have to downgrade your sidearm and nades which are pretty minor, all things considered. Yeah I just realized I could protofit.com just to see the difference, My brain is a little slow on wake up lol. As of right now I have to drop down to ADV smg and nades to fit. Thats not UNreasonable those things are just icing on the cake anyhow. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4492	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:21:00 - [64] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... WHAT SANE SCOUT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT CHARLIE??! after all their biggest threat is getting castrated PS maybe cal scouts whining about not having the highest precision AND range on their wall hacks Yeah but everyone hates caldari scouts Even scouts Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4492	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:22:00 - [65] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: shall I pull up the MULTITUDE of threads started by SCOUTS (no one else just scouts) complaining about the one suit that takes more then one SG blast to kill...(I'd rather not but if you insist I will do it....) They aren't complaining simply because they're scouts, but because the Heavy spam is ridiculous. I bet you never thought of that. Yet those threads are started ONLY by scouts... Smells like anusache to me Medium frames are so UP that if they started a thread about how hard it was to kill heavies people would say "Your suit is underpowered" Thus medium frames posing as scouts must bring up the issue Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5155	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:27:00 - [66] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Theres no real issue with the suits. You still can fit heavys properly like these: Charlie Ak.0 sentinel charlie Mk.0 sentinel Chralie Ck.0 sentinel Charlie GK.0 sentinel So wheres the issue? Wow? I did not know they were taking away the highslot on amarr and moving it to a low , anyone know why they are doing this?
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 216	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:28:00 - [67] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... WHAT SANE SCOUT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT CHARLIE??! after all their biggest threat is getting castrated PS maybe cal scouts whining about not having the highest precision AND range on their wall hacks Yeah but everyone hates caldari scouts Even scouts Scanning is ****. Just like that. Im cal scout and im happy that i will get damp bonus. Hey moron (this that talk about wallhack). Thats not pc game. And if you think that radar is wallhack, then you also have it as every suit. Scouts arent butthurt. People want constant nerf to us (mostly to cal) cus they dont try to fight them. Have they ever eqiuped ScR? I dont think so. So dont start this and let CCP work on this game (with CPM and vets who know how things are going) -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 625	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:30:00 - [68] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Theres no real issue with the suits. You still can fit heavys properly like these: Charlie Ak.0 sentinel charlie Mk.0 sentinel Chralie Ck.0 sentinel Charlie GK.0 sentinel So wheres the issue? Wow? I did not know they were taking away the highslot on amarr and moving it to a low , anyone know why they are doing this? Theyre switching the slot layout between G and A sentinels. Not sure why Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:33:00 - [69] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: shall I pull up the MULTITUDE of threads started by SCOUTS (no one else just scouts) complaining about the one suit that takes more then one SG blast to kill...(I'd rather not but if you insist I will do it....) They aren't complaining simply because they're scouts, but because the Heavy spam is ridiculous. I bet you never thought of that. Yet those threads are started ONLY by scouts... Smells like anusache to me Medium frames are so UP that if they started a thread about how hard it was to kill heavies people would say "Your suit is underpowered" Thus medium frames posing as scouts must bring up the issue Tsk Tsk deflection does not win debates... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5155	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:34:00 - [70] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Theres no real issue with the suits. You still can fit heavys properly like these: Charlie Ak.0 sentinel charlie Mk.0 sentinel Chralie Ck.0 sentinel Charlie GK.0 sentinel So wheres the issue? Wow? I did not know they were taking away the highslot on amarr and moving it to a low , anyone know why they are doing this? Theyre switching the slot layout between G and A sentinels. Not sure why That's a big change just to arbitrarely throw into the mix the Amarr is the heavy vs heavy king because of the damage mod not because of tanking

Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 579	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:36:00 - [71] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? It's a wannabe scout obviously; it wants to be as fast as the gal scout so it puts more kin cast. Duh! =P "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 579	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:36:00 - [72] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. ^This "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 216	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:37:00 - [73] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Theres no real issue with the suits. You still can fit heavys properly like these: Charlie Ak.0 sentinel charlie Mk.0 sentinel Chralie Ck.0 sentinel Charlie GK.0 sentinel So wheres the issue? Wow? I did not know they were taking away the highslot on amarr and moving it to a low , anyone know why they are doing this? Theyre switching the slot layout between G and A sentinels. Not sure why Werent amars armor tankers? Cus that make sense as they have 600base armor. -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 579	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:38:00 - [74] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. was it really that hard to kill a heavy, wallhacker When there's six of them, yeah, it is. Calling me a wallhacker? Lame excuse for being bad. Sure, Scouts have problems, but to sit here and act like nothing is wrong with Heavies at all? Lol Pat I'm pretty sure we don't even have to say anything; this guy wants to make a fool of himself. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:39:00 - [75] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... WHAT SANE SCOUT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT CHARLIE??! after all their biggest threat is getting castrated PS maybe cal scouts whining about not having the highest precision AND range on their wall hacks Yeah but everyone hates caldari scouts Even scouts Scanning is **. Just like that. Im cal scout and im happy that i will get damp bonus. Blueberry (this that talk about wallhack). Thats not pc game. And if you think that radar is wallhack, then you also have it as every suit. Really??? so a med suit can scan 50m+ away? thought not... Scouts arent butthurt. People want constant nerf to us (mostly to cal) cus they dont try to fight them. Have they ever equipped(fixed your spelling error) ScR? I dont think so. Really because ironically enough I DO use a ScR and it gets me a SG to the face...** So dont start this and let CCP work on this game (with CPM and vets who know how things are going) I didn't start this scouts did... but rest assured I will do my damnedest to finish it... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 579	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:40:00 - [76] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this Oh Wall hacking! I thought you meant like all those times heavies can put their HMG through walls and kill you. Oh so since when did scouts make walls transparent? Lol yea; isn't it the exact opposite; So many times I've found that i'm taking damage even though I'm already in cover... "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:44:00 - [77] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. was it really that hard to kill a heavy, wallhacker When there's six of them, yeah, it is. Calling me a wallhacker? Lame excuse for being bad. Sure, Scouts have problems, but to sit here and act like nothing is wrong with Heavies at all? Lol Pat I'm pretty sure we don't even have to say anything; this guy wants to make a fool of himself. Fool? is it foolish to be annoyed that a group(scouts) is conspiring to drag heavies back to the 1.0-1.6 age because its too much work to GASP think of ways to take out a heavy.... Guess I'm a fool then... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 216	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:50:00 - [78] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bormir1r wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. was it really that hard to kill a heavy, wallhacker When there's six of them, yeah, it is. Calling me a wallhacker? Lame excuse for being bad. Sure, Scouts have problems, but to sit here and act like nothing is wrong with Heavies at all? Lol Pat I'm pretty sure we don't even have to say anything; this guy wants to make a fool of himself. Fool? is it foolish to be annoyed that a group(scouts) is conspiring to drag heavies back to the 1.0-1.6 age because its too much work to GASP think of ways to take out a heavy.... Guess I'm a fool then... Community wanted this. As scouts get nerfed so stop being a poor baby : ,,you no longer will fit everything proto on your heavy, wah!" -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Arcturis Vanguard Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 206	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:53:00 - [79] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Reign Omega wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: The dark cloud wrote: Theres no real issue with the suits. You still can fit heavys properly like these: Charlie Ak.0 sentinel charlie Mk.0 sentinel Chralie Ck.0 sentinel Charlie GK.0 sentinel So wheres the issue? Wow? I did not know they were taking away the highslot on amarr and moving it to a low , anyone know why they are doing this? Theyre switching the slot layout between G and A sentinels. Not sure why That's a big change just to arbitrarely throw into the mix the Amarr is the heavy vs heavy king because of the damage mod not because of tanking If you going into the idea discussion thread and read the sticky about slot layouts, it was either rattatai or logibro that stated that. the want to follow the eve lore with module slots. All amarr will have the most low slots. Caldari will have the most highs. Gallente are equal favoring lows. Minmatar equal but favoring highs. Though I'm not sure why the caldari and minmatar have same slot layouts. Which really throws me for a loop with the amarr sent. I skilled into it because of bonus to projectiles and the high slot content for AV when needed. I hated the 1 high 4 low back when the amarr was the only sentinel so I went basic proto for slot layout. Now I'm forced being forced into the slot layout that I hate... __________________ Now on topic. The fitting space for sentinels is ridiculously awesome. All proto with any combination and room to spare was amazing. Obviously it was far to generous but I still don't understand why any proto suit can't put on all proto modules, besides for the apparent OP between tiers. I'm happy that there is a reduction to fitting space for heavies as I'm tired of seeing proto weapons and modules on militia suits. Amarr Heavy V Amarr Assault V Caldari Scout V Caldari logistic IV Prof V HMG & FORGE Prof IV CR, SMG Prof III ScR
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:54:00 - [80] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Community wanted this. As scouts get nerfed so stop being a poor baby : ,,you no longer will fit everything proto on your heavy, wah!" It's funny because I only see "famous" 133T scouts complaining and NOONE ELSE If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 216	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:01:00 - [81] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Community wanted this. As scouts get nerfed so stop being a poor baby : ,,you no longer will fit everything proto on your heavy, wah!" It's funny because I only see "famous" 133T scouts complaining and NOONE ELSE 133T , what? Noones complaining. I can see people can get mad but havent seen scouts qqing. But i can see multiple threads vs scouts. Thats make me fell bad. On the other side, nerfing is bad. Cus you know, theres always Assault,Logi,other Scouts to use (skill points magick) -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1656	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:03:00 - [82] - Quote Well lets see-2 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:05:00 - [83] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Community wanted this. As scouts get nerfed so stop being a poor baby : ,,you no longer will fit everything proto on your heavy, wah!" It's funny because I only see "famous" 133T scouts complaining and NOONE ELSE 133T , what? Noones complaining. I can see people can get mad but havent seen scouts qqing. But i can see multiple threads vs scouts. Thats make me fell bad. On the other side, nerfing is bad. Cus you know, theres always Assault,Logi,other Scouts to use (skill points magick) SP is not the issue. The issue is that scouts got the HMG and the heavy nerfed because they are too stupid to learn to not rush the heavy from the front... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1656	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:05:00 - [84] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Plates and reps...SMH, try kin cats and code breakers "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 216	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:05:00 - [85] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1656	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:06:00 - [86] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Mejt0 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Community wanted this. As scouts get nerfed so stop being a poor baby : ,,you no longer will fit everything proto on your heavy, wah!" It's funny because I only see "famous" 133T scouts complaining and NOONE ELSE 133T , what? Noones complaining. I can see people can get mad but havent seen scouts qqing. But i can see multiple threads vs scouts. Thats make me fell bad. On the other side, nerfing is bad. Cus you know, theres always Assault,Logi,other Scouts to use (skill points magick) SP is not the issue. The issue is that scouts got the HMG and the heavy nerfed because they are too stupid to learn to not rush the heavy from the front... Its getting nerfed because more than 8 people on each team is using an HMG heavy. Numbers don't lie. Also, I'm fairly certain that assaults complain more than heavies, because scouts at least have some counters, like more speed to run away if the heavy has poor aim. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:06:00 - [87] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? Ill stop when you scouts stop.... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:07:00 - [88] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Reign Omega wrote: So 100 CPU, and 30 PG give or take? Seems like a lot tbh, but I won't know for sure for 2 weeks It's back to the normal old levels, maybe a smidge higher. With maxed core we're talking about 69 PG, and if you're a relic with some points in HMG Optz then you'll likely only have to downgrade your sidearm and nades which are pretty minor, all things considered. If youre not a relic, heavy weapon opt . is a x6 skill which means 1,865,520 SP for lvl 5 in exchange for ~4 PG that only a single weapon benefits not the suit . Quite a steep SP sink for a single weapon.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1656	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:07:00 - [89] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 217	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:12:00 - [90] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: SP is not the issue. The issue is that scouts got the HMG and the heavy nerfed because they are too stupid to learn to not rush the heavy from the front... By sp i mean people have scouts,heavies,logis, assault at adv/proto lvl and they ( i aslo) dont have to be mad. Good scout dont have problems with heavys if they do it right. And i never saw anyone who would complain about that. Show me one if im wrong. And again HMG got buffed when every rifle got nerfed. Again now they get all same range (buff), while heat build up inceasce by 2 does nothing (as now to oveheat you need to shoot like 300+ rounds). -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:13:00 - [91] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 584	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:16:00 - [92] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge Dude you're making a fool of yourself... "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1658	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:16:00 - [93] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge Maybe because it is overpowered and leaves no room for any other suit, scout or med frame alike? Oh, aside from the lolpermascan passive scanning scout for each squad. Its shortsighted and overtly self-righteous people like you that give heavies a bad name. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 220	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:19:00 - [94] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge I want to start it! 1. Heavies are easist to use (dont get me wrong) 2. Scouts/Logis are most specialized as they need 2-3x sp as you 3. Hevay with eq will be OP (rep nanohives,ammo) 4. Scouts say nothing about heavies. Get with it. Mediums have problems with them as they cant really counter them (range is not excuse) -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 585	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:20:00 - [95] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? Ill stop when you scouts stop.... You started this thread... "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 585	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:21:00 - [96] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge I want to start it! 1. Heavies are easist to use (dont get me wrong) 2. Scouts/Logis are most specialized as they need 2-3x sp as you 3. Hevay with eq will be OP (rep nanohives,ammo) 4. Scouts say nothing about heavies. Get with it. Mediums have problems with them as they cant really counter them (range is not excuse) Damn right about range since most maps require CQC and HMG has essentially same range if not greater range than all weapons except for maybe RR. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1659	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:21:00 - [97] - Quote Also, ATM a MLT minmitar heavy with a republic HMG, no points invested = a proto caldari scout, if the two have relatively equal gun game. If you are having trouble with a proto heavy... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7852	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:22:00 - [98] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Fool? is it foolish to be annoyed that a group(scouts) is conspiring to drag heavies back to the 1.0-1.6 age because its too much work to GASP think of ways to take out a heavy.... Guess I'm a fool then... I'm perfectly capable of thinking of ways to take out a Heavy... However, I can't think of ways to take out 4-6 at once. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. Cross Atu for CPM1 /o/
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10899	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:23:00 - [99] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Also, ATM a MLT minmitar heavy with a republic HMG, no points invested = a proto caldari scout, if the two have relatively equal gun game. If you are having trouble with a proto heavy... "Heavies with gun game" And nothing of value was lost that day... -HAND
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1659	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:25:00 - [100] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Cat Merc wrote: They might be wallhackers, but you have 5 times their HP and double their DPS. QQ harder I couldn't even BEGIN to QQ as hard as they have... You've already surpassed everyone except a few other heavies... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:26:00 - [101] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge I want to start it! 1. Heavies are easist to use (dont get me wrong) Easier then an invisible suit that can see through walls AND tank 2. Scouts/Logis are most specialized as they need 2-3x sp as you lvl 5 scout(preferably Gal for max tank and invisiblity) lvl 3 cloak and lvl 0 SG Soooo sp intensive... 3. Hevay with eq will be OP (rep nanohives,ammo) of course it would be unless you guys get your way and the HMG is useless again... 4. Scouts say nothing about heavies. Get with it. Mediums have problems with them as they cant really counter them (range is not excuse) why dont you ask some of your little scout brothers bout their QQ threads you might be surprised If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 220	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:26:00 - [102] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Also, ATM a MLT minmitar heavy with a republic HMG, no points invested = a proto caldari scout, if the two have relatively equal gun game. If you are having trouble with a proto heavy... Maybe matar heavy have low hp..but damn if you guys spot me (as a scout) i feel like im being chased by another scout :]. Matars are like : Dont you try to run from me, Im gonna get ya!! -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1659	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:26:00 - [103] - Quote Atiim wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Also, ATM a MLT minmitar heavy with a republic HMG, no points invested = a proto caldari scout, if the two have relatively equal gun game. If you are having trouble with a proto heavy... "Heavies with gun game" While it may seem like a most ironic oxymoron, there are a few (one) in existence who have actually almost as good gun game as a lot of scouts. (i.e. Skeletor Voltron) "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:43:00 - [104] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Just checked on Proto fits. Gallente sentinel GK.0 Boundless HMG Proto Assault SMG Proto flux 2 enhanced dmg mods 2 complex armour reps 1 complex plate. Just clocks in 4 CPU over and 4 PG under for hotfix Charlie. Now I don't know if the fitting reduction to heavy weapons was applied or not, but if it is...they should probably get a reduction to sidearms and grenades as well. Somebody tell Rattattooie! Stop QQing and play the game......So what if you can't for things....try adapting to the game instead of adapting the game to you.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 813	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:49:00 - [105] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: If you have core skills maxed with engineering and electronics as well , you should be able to equip a proto suit with mostly proto gear and the rest adv gear. The decision should be which modules/weapon will be proto or adv on the proto suit. The reductions, on sentinnels, being made doesnt allow that on all builds. Why hand out random numbers if your going to have to change them again only to another set of random numbers. This isnt a Heavy vs Scout issue . It appears to be more a lets make the Assaults stand out more so people come back to Assaults. I Agree the Assaults need the buffs but not by nerfing other classes. EDIT: Change for the sake of change isnt always good. With almost 10 mil SP invested MOSTLY should not be a word that is in use. This is just a pitiful attempt to force people into assault suits and burn more SP. It gets old watching things intentionally dumped on just to push people in other directions. It is confirmed that scouts and assaults will be the new king.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:54:00 - [106] - Quote Any work done to assaults was long needed.......Assault has been the least defined and most forgotten class in all of Dust.......With scouts, sentinels, logis, and commandos being able do the exact same things as an assault but better, tells you that assaults needed to be reworked to be viable again.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:06:00 - [107] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Any work done to assaults was long needed.......Assault has been the least defined and most forgotten class in all of Dust.......With scouts, sentinels, logis, and commandos being able do the exact same things as an assault but better, tells you that assaults needed to be reworked to be viable again. Agree totally 100% that assault needed some love but be warned when they become a threat(aka viable) to scouts prepare your ears for the QQ If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 128	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:06:00 - [108] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. was it really that hard to kill a heavy, wallhacker When there's six of them, yeah, it is. Calling me a wallhacker? Lame excuse for being bad. Sure, Scouts have problems, but to sit here and act like nothing is wrong with Heavies at all? Lol The fact that you were in Gunfall makes me sick boy... You and your COD kind are the reason why we have this constant nerf cycle... If you worked on your tactics and quit bitching on the forums you wouldn't have to worry about heavies... Now where did the heavy touch you? The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Matticus Monk OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2189	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:08:00 - [109] - Quote Were scouts complaining about heavies? Did I miss that? The lionshare of complaints I see are mostly insta entry/exit by heavies into/out of LAVs. Double posting like a Kaiser.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:13:00 - [110] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Were scouts complaining about heavies? Did I miss that? The lionshare of complaints I see are mostly insta entry/exit by heavies into/out of LAVs. I would make a list but I'm lazy, just do a search on heavy, sentinel, or HMG and you will find em If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

MythTanker Haus of Triage 129	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:22:00 - [111] - Quote Thank Goodness Destiny is around the corner... Im sick of this nerf cycle. Heavys are fine... Actually what needs a Nerf is the community (Yes i just went there) All you forum warriors make me sick and its not the scouts Its the FOTM scouts... The one who lack the skill to take down heavies. Yes i know there is spam but Scouts act like they dont do it either... Fix the assualt and your heavy spam is gone... People in this game think a nerf is the only way to balance a game... Well thats my 2 isk, this nerf doesnt matter to me because im leaveing when Destiny comes out. Hopefully none of you FOTM chasers(Patrick, that Gav guy) come along we dont want you to taint the community. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:41:00 - [112] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Thank Goodness Destiny is around the corner... Im sick of this nerf cycle. Heavys are fine... Actually what needs a Nerf is the community (Yes i just went there) All you forum warriors make me sick and its not the scouts Its the FOTM scouts... The one who lack the skill to take down heavies. Yes i know there is spam but Scouts act like they dont do it either... Fix the assualt and your heavy spam is gone... People in this game think a nerf is the only way to balance a game... Well thats my 2 isk, this nerf doesnt matter to me because im leaveing when Destiny comes out. Hopefully none of you FOTM chasers(Patrick, that Gav guy) come along we dont want you to taint the community. o7 you have the beta yet? If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 131	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:48:00 - [113] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: MythTanker wrote: Thank Goodness Destiny is around the corner... Im sick of this nerf cycle. Heavys are fine... Actually what needs a Nerf is the community (Yes i just went there) All you forum warriors make me sick and its not the scouts Its the FOTM scouts... The one who lack the skill to take down heavies. Yes i know there is spam but Scouts act like they dont do it either... Fix the assualt and your heavy spam is gone... People in this game think a nerf is the only way to balance a game... Well thats my 2 isk, this nerf doesnt matter to me because im leaveing when Destiny comes out. Hopefully none of you FOTM chasers(Patrick, that Gav guy) come along we dont want you to taint the community. o7 you have the beta yet? Yes it is amazing, lets hope it wont have these QQers in it The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4511	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:52:00 - [114] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... WHAT SANE SCOUT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT CHARLIE??! after all their biggest threat is getting castrated PS maybe cal scouts whining about not having the highest precision AND range on their wall hacks Yeah but everyone hates caldari scouts Even scouts Scanning is **. Just like that. Im cal scout and im happy that i will get damp bonus. Blueberry (this that talk about wallhack). Thats not pc game. And if you think that radar is wallhack, then you also have it as every suit. Really??? so a med suit can scan 50m+ away? thought not... Scouts arent butthurt. People want constant nerf to us (mostly to cal) cus they dont try to fight them. Have they ever equipped(fixed your spelling error) ScR? I dont think so. Really because ironically enough I DO use a ScR and it gets me a SG to the face...** So dont start this and let CCP work on this game (with CPM and vets who know how things are going) I didn't start this scouts did... but rest assured I will do my damnedest to finish it... Fun Fact! A minmatar logi can currently get a lower precision than a Gallente Scout! The more you know! Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
castba Merc-0107 527	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:03:00 - [115] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. Can other suits?
MythTanker Haus of Triage 131	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:07:00 - [116] - Quote castba wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. Can other suits? No. They dont care about their imbalances... The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
MythTanker Haus of Triage 131	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:11:00 - [117] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: Heavies are slow and wide (large hitbox) , as nimble as an installation., a meat shield. Even if equipped with biotics the Heavy is slower than a rolling rock with a hitbox the size of a side of a barn. Whenever I use my scout and change to a Heavy , it feels like a sloth that cant even jump a curb. Heavies are for gank and tank, its all theyre good for , hardly mobile. Maybe we should let them fit whatever they want. Take your logic and GTFO... Dust players cant handle your intelligence. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:17:00 - [118] - Quote MythTanker wrote: S-PANZA wrote: Heavies are slow and wide (large hitbox) , as nimble as an installation., a meat shield. Even if equipped with biotics the Heavy is slower than a rolling rock with a hitbox the size of a side of a barn. Whenever I use my scout and change to a Heavy , it feels like a sloth that cant even jump a curb. Heavies are for gank and tank, its all theyre good for , hardly mobile. Maybe we should let them fit whatever they want. Take your logic and GTFO... Dust players cant handle your intelligence.
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2003	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:06:00 - [119] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:11:00 - [120] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. have not and will not complain about HMG overheat as that rewards skill and I would have been fine with a ~slight~ nerf like the original proposed 10% but 20%? NO WAY IMMA LET THAT SLIDE If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:13:00 - [121] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. if you stand to close to the fire ...you will burn. Engage Heavies from a distance or sneak up behind them and you wont melt.
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2003	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:17:00 - [122] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. have not and will not complain about HMG overheat as that rewards skill and I would have been fine with a ~slight~ nerf like the original proposed 10% but 20%? NO WAY IMMA LET THAT SLIDE The amount is debatable, but they do have excessive pg/cpu. My MLT "Skinweave" BPO heavy can be fitted with proto everything short of either the sidearm or grenade (one has to be ADV), and that's on the MLT which already has reduced pg/cpu. Your efforts might be better spent advocating for a reduced pg/cpu reduction in feedback rather than raging here in general. Or you could wait a month and if you are right about the fitting costs being reduced too much, you'll have a nice and healthy "I told you so" to dish out when hotfix Delta rolls along. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4523	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:20:00 - [123] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: The amount is debatable, but they do have excessive pg/cpu. My MLT "Skinweave" BPO heavy can be fitted with proto everything short of either the sidearm or grenade (one has to be ADV), and that's on the MLT which already has reduced pg/cpu. Your efforts might be better spent advocating for a reduced pg/cpu reduction in feedback rather than raging here in general. Or you could wait a month and if you are right about the fitting costs being reduced too much, you'll have a nice and healthy "I told you so" to dish out when hotfix Delta rolls along. QFT Yeah I can only seem to use about 3/4 of my PG/CPU on my Skinweave Heavy Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:20:00 - [124] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. have not and will not complain about HMG overheat as that rewards skill and I would have been fine with a ~slight~ nerf like the original proposed 10% but 20%? NO WAY IMMA LET THAT SLIDE The amount is debatable, but they do have excessive pg/cpu. My MLT "Skinweave" BPO heavy can be fitted with proto everything short of either the sidearm or grenade (one has to be ADV), and that's on the MLT which already has reduced pg/cpu. Your efforts might be better spent advocating for a reduced pg/cpu reduction in feedback rather than raging here in general. Or you could wait a month and if you are right about the fitting costs being reduced too much, you'll have a nice and healthy "I told you so" to dish out when hotfix Delta rolls along. meh ive pretty much vented by this point and was hoping to see how much farther it goes. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2235	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:51:00 - [125] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Reign Omega wrote: So 100 CPU, and 30 PG give or take? Seems like a lot tbh, but I won't know for sure for 2 weeks It's back to the normal old levels, maybe a smidge higher. With maxed core we're talking about 69 PG, and if you're a relic with some points in HMG Optz then you'll likely only have to downgrade your sidearm and nades which are pretty minor, all things considered. If youre not a relic, heavy weapon opt . is a x6 skill which means 1,865,520 SP for lvl 5 in exchange for ~4 PG that only a single weapon benefits not the suit . Quite a steep SP sink for a single weapon. On the other hand, if you're not a relic, you can get that extra PG for level 4 (Level 5 is kinda pointless) for one of the only two heavy weapons in the game. It's not like light weapons where people can diversify, people who are actually bothering to go proto in Heavies will use the HMG more then enough to consider level 2 or 4 Opt skill worthwhile, an easy 900ksp if it means perfecting a fit to the max. Anyone who doesn't want to invest the 900Ksp to get it to level 4 won't be using a full proto sentinel anyways. It's like some scout users complaining about investing in the three Electronic Sensor skills to be effective, it's part of the role. Think of it as part of the trade-off for you not having to worry about high Equipment skills due to missing the whole slot to begin with. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1664	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:21:00 - [126] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Thank Goodness Destiny is around the corner... Im sick of this nerf cycle. Heavys are fine... Actually what needs a Nerf is the community (Yes i just went there) All you forum warriors make me sick and its not the scouts Its the FOTM scouts... The one who lack the skill to take down heavies. Yes i know there is spam but Scouts act like they dont do it either... Fix the assualt and your heavy spam is gone... People in this game think a nerf is the only way to balance a game... Well thats my 2 isk, this nerf doesnt matter to me because im leaveing when Destiny comes out. Hopefully none of you FOTM chasers(Patrick, that Gav guy) come along we dont want you to taint the community. HEHEHEHEHEHE my OP NK minja FoTM Thats awesome. Oh thats hilarious. You're probably gonna be one of the people who think the warlock needs a buff and the hunter is good as is Its you FoTM heavies who lack any kind of gun game that are complaining about the changes. What??! Sacrifices??!! Those are for scouts and assaults, not heavies!!! Also, how many matches have you been in with 8 or more scouts? If its GëÑ #matches with 8 or more heavies, i take back everything I've ever said. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
MythTanker Haus of Triage 144	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:20:00 - [127] - Quote @Gavr Let me inform you that I have played this heavy since open beta THROUGH UPRISING (when we were laughed to death). Ive said it before and ill say it again. "I have no issue with this fix" My problem is after fix when the QQers want us nerfed more. In my "So whos next" thread you said that these were baby nerfs. You want more taken from us. You want to walk up to a prototype heavy and laugh in his face. Heres a tip: Get off the forums and find better ways to kill us. You must not like competition. If you have issues with heavy spam. ***** to CCP on how UP assualts are and problem solved. Please sit down and drink some water... I know you cant take all this Logic in at once simpleton. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2249	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:58:00 - [128] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: You're probably gonna be one of the people who think the warlock needs a buff and the hunter is good as is . Dafuq is this? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 400	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:01:00 - [129] - Quote Frosted Mini Wheats or Fruity Pebbles? Saying what's on people's minds
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2249	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:02:00 - [130] - Quote Frosted Mini Wheats all the way! Dark or White chocolate? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4539	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:06:00 - [131] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Frosted Mini Wheats all the way! Dark or White chocolate? Regular, like a man Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 401	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:13:00 - [132] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Frosted Mini Wheats all the way! Dark or White chocolate? White chocolate. But I want to be a man. I'm going to shoot for regular next time. Saying what's on people's minds
MythTanker Haus of Triage 145	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:17:00 - [133] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: You're probably gonna be one of the people who think the warlock needs a buff and the hunter is good as is . Dafuq is this? A snazzy comeback. Move along nothing to see here. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 612	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:51:00 - [134] - Quote Atiim wrote: medomai grey wrote: ]The racism is strong with this one. It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China. To clarify (only because of a particular dolt that is so desperate to be offended, appears later in this thread with the bloodlust of a warrior set to save the World through forced Political Correctness): There are too many good reasons to hate people as individuals. I don't need to disparage an entire culture. To the (supposedly) offended: Learn to laugh. It's a better life. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 629	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:58:00 - [135] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Frosted Mini Wheats all the way! Dark or White chocolate? Regular, like a man Did you know white chocolate isnt actually chocolate its the cocoa butter derivative? Also, Destiny will have nerf buff cycles as well, maybe not as much but all games with competitive edges suffer from balancing. Also, prepping my Gk.0 Assault for take off upon my return. Beavis or butt head? Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1665	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:01:00 - [136] - Quote MythTanker wrote: @Gavr Let me inform you that I have played this heavy since open beta THROUGH UPRISING (when we were laughed to death). Ive said it before and ill say it again. "I have no issue with this fix" My problem is after fix when the QQers want us nerfed more. In my "So whos next" thread you said that these were baby nerfs. You want more taken from us. You want to walk up to a prototype heavy and laugh in his face. Heres a tip: Get off the forums and find better ways to kill us. You must not like competition. If you have issues with heavy spam. ***** to CCP on how UP assualts are and problem solved. Please sit down and drink some water... I know you cant take all this Logic in at once simpleton. The fact that a MLT heavy with a basic HMG can't be killed by a fine rifle, yet can turn around and easily kill a proto assault scout heavy or logi cries imbalanced. Im fine with the ridiculous eHP, its just that the most skilless weapon in the game (HMG) which has no drawbacks accompanies near-LAV HP values, with resists to boot. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 183	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:03:00 - [137] - Quote Fat suits have low CPU as they dropped all their compute slots for metal including an extra large bucket over their head which makes it hard to see. Not One Lifetime
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 613	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:07:00 - [138] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Beavis or Butthead? The Great Cornholio. "The streets will flow with the blood of the disbelievers" "I come from Lake Titicaca" "Come out, with your pants down" Classics. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:23:00 - [139] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Also, Destiny will have nerf buff cycles as well, maybe not as much but all games with competitive edges suffer from balancing. Destiny won't have a nerf buff cycle. Unlike CCP both Activision and Bungie both have the balls to tell the QQers "STFU and play the game with what we gave you, and if you don't like it then don't play, because when we lose 1 player we gain 100 more". What CoD or Halo game have you ever once seen a buff or nerf in the game after its release......maybe nerf or buff from beta to release but never after.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 145	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:33:00 - [140] - Quote @Gav If a MLT heavy kills a proto suit then that proto suit is terrible. The HMG isnt a hard weapon to use its the suit that come along with it. Larger hitbox, Large HP but very slow. No equipment. I do believe LAVs need to have an animation. You just want to kill a heavy with no problem, GTFO scrub im tired of your QQ The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4513	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:35:00 - [141] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. No!
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:03:00 - [142] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. No! You really should get over it.......Not even a logi while full fitting reduction skills and passive equipment cost reduction they cant fit full proto everything and they got the most pg/cpu for drop suits
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 632	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:09:00 - [143] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. No! You really should get over it.......Not even a logi while full fitting reduction skills and passive equipment cost reduction they cant fit full proto everything and they got the most pg/cpu for drop suits Full proto everything for a heavy is significantly less than for other suits, the least slots, no equip......thats kinda silly. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3958	Posted - 2014.07.25 10:34:00 - [144] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Seriously people, I've used heavies since, well, two weeks after they ever existed. These new PG/CPU values are better then they have ever been besides the current iteration which is a bit nuts. The instant they changed them to what we have now after 1.7 I knew someone was going to get nerfed, the current values are just too high. HFC won't "break" heavies, it will put them properly in line with the rest of the suits. Currently heavies don't have to think to fit crap on a suit, and what you can fit on a basic frame is ridiculous. But hey, that's just, like, my opinion... man. I have to agree with Xocoyol. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3958	Posted - 2014.07.25 10:40:00 - [145] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Do you know what costs more PG than armor plates? Kinetic Catalyzers. Oh but you don't see heavies using those now do you? You see scouts using them. There is no extra PG on a scout WTF is wallhacking? Do you mean codebreakers? I have been using Kinetic Catalyzers on my Sentinel since 1.3. I think by GÇ£wall hackGÇ¥ he means passive scans. Yes, I know, I facepalmed when I realized it. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Regnier Feros Tokyo Ravens Anime Empire. 84	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:51:00 - [146] - Quote Pfft everyone knows ------> Apple Jack>Fruity Pebbles>Honey Combs>Honey Nut Cheerios>Lucky Charms>Captain Crunch>Fruit Loops. I like pie do you like pie because i hate pie & I like muffins.
Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 258	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:59:00 - [147] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The Amarr sentinel at proto level is losing 105 CPU while a proto HMG only receives a 23 CPU reduction. The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. I have not added up the numbers for when electronics and engineering skills are applied but the ratio of the changes is obviously meant to nerf tanking on heavies. Sorry to all you guys that went heavy while it was FOTM but in CCP fashion the nerf hammer is coming down..... To those that were heavy before it was cool please ignore the below statement. Bring on the FOTM chasing tears. All of you spamming heavies making those that worked hard to make a heavy work before the HMG was shredding all these scouts and feeding you easy points was disgusting. looool (wish i could still run my heavy shotgun like i used to back in closed beta. Aaaahhhh those were the days.) I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
JONAHBENHUR Inner.Hell 32	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:02:00 - [148] - Quote does it matter to take a lil of a heavy ? get your cpu and pg passive upgrades up then start shaving off cpu and pg usage off of weapons with skills "To be a man you must have honor, "HONOR AND A PENIS !!" -shinoske noharu
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1666	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:20:00 - [149] - Quote MythTanker wrote: @Gav If a MLT heavy kills a proto suit then that proto suit is terrible. The HMG isnt a hard weapon to use its the suit that come along with it. Larger hitbox, Large HP but very slow. No equipment. I do believe LAVs need to have an animation. You just want to kill a heavy with no problem, GTFO scrub im tired of your QQ Full ERA squad of PRO cal scouts with SG's or AR's or ACR's. Killed every one of them 1v1 with MLT gear. I don't even run heavy. Tell me that thats balanced. If you run it using tactics and situational awareness, the suit is overpowered, because it basically becomes an intelligent LAV with an HMG that can't move as fast. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3959	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:34:00 - [150] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Pfft everyone knows ------> Apple Jack>Fruity Pebbles>Honey Combs>Honey Nut Cheerios>Lucky Charms>Captain Crunch>Fruit Loops. I am a Honey Bunches of Oats (Almonds) guy myself. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.

Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 222	Posted - 2014.07.25 13:28:00 - [151] - Quote 8 pages of heavy qq (individual, not all) that will no longer eqiup all proto. No one can. Are we done with this thread? -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.25 15:13:00 - [152] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. No! You really should get over it.......Not even a logi while full fitting reduction skills and passive equipment cost reduction they cant fit full proto everything and they got the most pg/cpu for drop suits Full proto everything for a heavy is significantly less than for other suits, the least slots, no equip......thats kinda silly. That's the down side of being a heavy, huge hp, larger hit box, able to use the strongest gun in the game.......It's the reverse for a scout, least hp, smallest hit box able to run the fastest.........no drop suit should be able hold completely complex mods while using proto type weapons......there should be a trade off some where......if you want all complex mods then use adv weapons or use proto type weapons but not be able fit all complex mods. It's all very simple to understand for the people who don't think every FPS should be like CoD
TunRa Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 672	Posted - 2014.07.25 15:19:00 - [153] - Quote Well since I don't need a grenade or that extra 5% in my high I think I'm good. I can still blast the **** out of everyone an make them cry. You took my gif, back to FoxFour
MythTanker Haus of Triage 148	Posted - 2014.07.25 15:55:00 - [154] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: MythTanker wrote: @Gav If a MLT heavy kills a proto suit then that proto suit is terrible. The HMG isnt a hard weapon to use its the suit that come along with it. Larger hitbox, Large HP but very slow. No equipment. I do believe LAVs need to have an animation. You just want to kill a heavy with no problem, GTFO scrub im tired of your QQ Full ERA squad of PRO cal scouts with SG's or AR's or ACR's. Killed every one of them 1v1 with MLT gear. I don't even run heavy. Tell me that thats balanced. If you run it using tactics and situational awareness, the suit is overpowered, because it basically becomes an intelligent LAV with an HMG that can't move as fast. Anyone can say "oh i just went 70/0 in a match with no skill into it" Your proof? Why are you so butt hurt about heavies? Are they the only suit that gives you competition? The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton


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