DUST Search - why do hotfix charlies heavy suits have less cpu pg then scouts?

Reign Omega wrote:

843-Vika wrote:

Atiim wrote:

medomai grey wrote:

]The racism is strong with this one. Twisted

It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China.

its racism since it specifially points toward people from china, its derogitory and should not be put in a forum

Some of you have yet to actually experience racism I see. Also Derogatory, also it really isn't because he is simply stating that since CCP shanghai has taken the reins the game has taken a ****, it has significantly LESS to do with them being chinese, and more to do with china producing low cost low quality product for years. More of a business stereotype with factual basis in business reality than anything.

rac-+ism:
noun
the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races.
prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior.

Also, I'm not sure how I feel about the fitting changes, I severely hope all my fittings aren't invalid when I return from vacation... but I doubt they will be. Party on dudes.

If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...

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ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:53:00 - [31] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: you done whining yet wall hackers... If you are not factoring in the fitting bonus for Heavy Weapons then you are doing it wrong. Only the Rifle Sentinels should be QQing. The fitting bonus is included and that's why i'm annoyed. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Cody Sietz SVER True Blood Dark Taboo 3678	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:17:00 - [32] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Cody Sietz wrote: Just checked on Proto fits. Gallente sentinel GK.0 Boundless HMG Proto Assault SMG Proto flux 2 enhanced dmg mods 2 complex armour reps 1 complex plate. Just clocks in 4 CPU over and 4 PG under for hotfix Charlie. Now I don't know if the fitting reduction to heavy weapons was applied or not, but if it is...they should probably get a reduction to sidearms and grenades as well. Somebody tell Rattattooie! it was you can check by mousing over the weapon That's not the worst thing...but they really should get a larger fitting reduction on heavy weapons at least(and sidearms as well) I haven't even tried to check the FG. "I do agree with you there though. shudders" -Arkena Wyrnspire
Scheneighnay McBob Cult of Gasai 5737	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:18:00 - [33] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Cloaks cost a lot more than plates and reps do pé¦pâ+pé¦pâ½pâäpâ¬pâ¦pé¦pâ¼pâ+pâêpü»sñ¬S+ïpéè
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4490	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:20:00 - [34] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2231	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:25:00 - [35] - Quote Looking closer and I'm fine with the new numbers, it is still better then the old Sent values, and I can finally put to use my HMG Optimization skill again. The old Amarr Proto Sent once you fit four complex plates, a complex d-mod, and a boundless HMG, only had around four-six PG left for sidearms and grenades even with HMG Opt skill and maxed core skills giving +30% to CPU and PG. These new values are fine imo. Maybe these values will chase off some of the FOTM users who were lazy and lacked proper core skills. Though I'll miss mowing down "fake" heavies. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:28:00 - [36] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2232	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:32:00 - [37] - Quote Seriously people, I've used heavies since, well, two weeks after they ever existed. These new PG/CPU values are better then they have ever been besides the current iteration which is a bit nuts. The instant they changed them to what we have now after 1.7 I knew someone was going to get nerfed, the current values are just too high. HFC won't "break" heavies, it will put them properly in line with the rest of the suits. Currently heavies don't have to think to fit crap on a suit, and what you can fit on a basic frame is ridiculous. But hey, that's just, like, my opinion... man. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4490	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:35:00 - [38] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Lol he don't know me very well I'm a gallente scout who has ZERO SP in shotguns, cloak, or sniper rifle. As if I could use my PG for such things. Do you know what costs more PG than armor plates? Kinetic Catalyzers. Oh but you don't see heavies using those now do you? You see scouts using them. There is no extra PG on a scout WTF is wallhacking? Do you mean codebreakers? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7843	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:36:00 - [39] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 720	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:41:00 - [40] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Mejt0 wrote: 1. To kill best scout, you only need ScR/ACR and whatever suit. 2. 3k heavy is like proto medium suit. 3. Now on adv cal sent i can eqiup proto fg/hmg and almost all complex mods. So its good that theyre cutting down cpu/pg 4. Scouts should have more pg/cpu. You only need to eqiup gun and few plates/extenders. Thats all. We eqiup 2 eqiupments which takes more cpu/pg than your guns+module. We eqiup modules which takes 30-90cpu and 0-15pg each (mostly 8-15). So gtfo. does your invisiblity really count when you get a 75% reduction to fitting it? guess what plates extenders and reps cost the same if not more then most of your wallhacking and invisibility modules. Im willing to meet halfway here you hackers should have so little cpu and pg that using anything other then a "scouty" weapon and modules should be impossible. PS. YOU G T F O HMG fitting optimisation - copies sold 0

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:42:00 - [41] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Lol he don't know me very well I'm a gallente scout who has ZERO SP in shotguns, cloak, or sniper rifle. As if I could use my PG for such things. Do you know what costs more PG than armor plates? Kinetic Catalyzers. Oh but you don't see heavies using those now do you? You see scouts using them. There is no extra PG on a scout WTF is wallhacking? Do you mean codebreakers? used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:42:00 - [42] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Atiim wrote: medomai grey wrote: ]The racism is strong with this one. It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China. its racism since it specifially points toward people from china, its derogitory and should not be put in a forum Some of you have yet to actually experience racism I see. Also Derogatory, also it really isn't because he is simply stating that since CCP shanghai has taken the reins the game has taken a ****, it has significantly LESS to do with them being chinese, and more to do with china producing low cost low quality product for years. More of a business stereotype with factual basis in business reality than anything. rac-+ism: noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Also, I'm not sure how I feel about the fitting changes, I severely hope all my fittings aren't invalid when I return from vacation... but I doubt they will be. Party on dudes. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:44:00 - [43] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... I'm not the one with the aching anus that award goes to the invisible wallhacking SGing midgets colloquially known as scouts. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Cat Merc Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 11234	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:44:00 - [44] - Quote They might be wallhackers, but you have 5 times their HP and double their DPS. QQ harder Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:46:00 - [45] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Atiim wrote: medomai grey wrote: ]The racism is strong with this one. It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China. its racism since it specifially points toward people from china, its derogitory and should not be put in a forum Some of you have yet to actually experience racism I see. Also Derogatory, also it really isn't because he is simply stating that since CCP shanghai has taken the reins the game has taken a ***, it has significantly LESS to do with them being chinese, and more to do with china producing low cost low quality product for years. More of a business stereotype with factual basis in business reality than anything. rac-+ism: noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Also, I'm not sure how I feel about the fitting changes, I severely hope all my fittings aren't invalid when I return from vacation... but I doubt they will be. Party on dudes. spoiler alert* they WILL BE If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Happy Violentime OMFGZOMBIESRUN 720	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:46:00 - [46] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Lol he don't know me very well I'm a gallente scout who has ZERO SP in shotguns, cloak, or sniper rifle. As if I could use my PG for such things. Do you know what costs more PG than armor plates? Kinetic Catalyzers. Oh but you don't see heavies using those now do you? You see scouts using them. There is no extra PG on a scout WTF is wallhacking? Do you mean codebreakers? I'll have you know i run 3 complex kin cats on one of my full proto amar heavies, I have some trouble though with.... 2 complex shield extenders, kala forge, proto nades, 2 complex cardiac regs and a complex kin cat. I can't quite fit the ishy SMG on it. FML!
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:46:00 - [47] - Quote Heavies are slow and wide (large hitbox) , as nimble as an installation., a meat shield. Even if equipped with biotics the Heavy is slower than a rolling rock with a hitbox the size of a side of a barn. Whenever I use my scout and change to a Heavy , it feels like a sloth that cant even jump a curb. Heavies are for gank and tank, its all theyre good for , hardly mobile. Maybe we should let them fit whatever they want.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:47:00 - [48] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: They might be wallhackers, but you have 5 times their HP and double their DPS. QQ harder I couldn't even BEGIN to QQ as hard as they have... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4491	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:48:00 - [49] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this Oh Wall hacking! I thought you meant like all those times heavies can put their HMG through walls and kill you. Oh so since when did scouts make walls transparent? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:49:00 - [50] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: I'll have you know i run 3 complex kin cats on one of my full proto amar heavies, I have some trouble though with.... 2 complex shield extenders, kala forge, proto nades, 2 complex cardiac regs and a complex kin cat. I can't quite fit the ishy SMG on it. FML! Try that with the new numbers If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:49:00 - [51] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: spoiler alert they WILL BE How much are they actually shaving off of the fitting space? I run Gallente heavy, and I have a big chunk on my proto to spare, thats with all complex plates/reps in the lows, complex damage in the high, Six Kin burst, six kin ASMG, and m8 Locus.... Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:50:00 - [52] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this Oh Wall hacking! I thought you meant like all those times heavies can put their HMG through walls and kill you. Oh so since when did scouts make walls transparent? you see distance and direction faced. do you need a bigger crutch then that? If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:52:00 - [53] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: spoiler alert they WILL BE How much are they actually shaving off of the fitting space? I run Gallente heavy, and I have a big chunk on my proto to spare, thats with all complex plates/reps in the lows, complex damage in the high, Six Kin burst, six kin ASMG, and m8 Locus.... 274 base CPU 53 base PG don't know your skill but I'm sure you can figure it out. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7844	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:53:00 - [54] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... I'm not the one with the aching anus that award goes to the invisible wallhacking SGing midgets colloquially known as scouts. How are Scouts butthurt? You seem pretty butthurt. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4492	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:55:00 - [55] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this Oh Wall hacking! I thought you meant like all those times heavies can put their HMG through walls and kill you. Oh so since when did scouts make walls transparent? you see distance and direction faced. do you need a bigger crutch then that? That's not a hack that's a game mechanic It's been like this forever where were you calling scouts wallhacks 2 years ago? Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4492	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:56:00 - [56] - Quote Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:58:00 - [57] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... I'm not the one with the aching anus that award goes to the invisible wallhacking SGing midgets colloquially known as scouts. How are Scouts butthurt? You seem pretty butthurt. shall I pull up the MULTITUDE of threads started by SCOUTS (no one else just scouts) complaining about the one suit that takes more then one SG blast to kill...(I'd rather not but if you insist I will do it....) If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 624	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:58:00 - [58] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Reign Omega wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: spoiler alert they WILL BE How much are they actually shaving off of the fitting space? I run Gallente heavy, and I have a big chunk on my proto to spare, thats with all complex plates/reps in the lows, complex damage in the high, Six Kin burst, six kin ASMG, and m8 Locus.... 274 base CPU 53 base PG don't know your skill but I'm sure you can figure it out. So 100 CPU, and 30 PG give or take? Seems like a lot tbh, but I won't know for sure for 2 weeks, when does Carlito deploy? Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:01:00 - [59] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... WHAT SANE SCOUT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT CHARLIE??! after all their biggest threat is getting castrated PS maybe cal scouts whining about not having the highest precision AND range on their wall hacks If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2234	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:02:00 - [60] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: So 100 CPU, and 30 PG give or take? Seems like a lot tbh, but I won't know for sure for 2 weeks It's back to the normal old levels, maybe a smidge higher. With maxed core we're talking about 69 PG, and if you're a relic with some points in HMG Optz then you'll likely only have to downgrade your sidearm and nades which are pretty minor, all things considered. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire



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