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S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:13:00 - [121] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. if you stand to close to the fire ...you will burn. Engage Heavies from a distance or sneak up behind them and you wont melt.
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2003	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:17:00 - [122] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. have not and will not complain about HMG overheat as that rewards skill and I would have been fine with a ~slight~ nerf like the original proposed 10% but 20%? NO WAY IMMA LET THAT SLIDE The amount is debatable, but they do have excessive pg/cpu. My MLT "Skinweave" BPO heavy can be fitted with proto everything short of either the sidearm or grenade (one has to be ADV), and that's on the MLT which already has reduced pg/cpu. Your efforts might be better spent advocating for a reduced pg/cpu reduction in feedback rather than raging here in general. Or you could wait a month and if you are right about the fitting costs being reduced too much, you'll have a nice and healthy "I told you so" to dish out when hotfix Delta rolls along. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4523	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:20:00 - [123] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: The amount is debatable, but they do have excessive pg/cpu. My MLT "Skinweave" BPO heavy can be fitted with proto everything short of either the sidearm or grenade (one has to be ADV), and that's on the MLT which already has reduced pg/cpu. Your efforts might be better spent advocating for a reduced pg/cpu reduction in feedback rather than raging here in general. Or you could wait a month and if you are right about the fitting costs being reduced too much, you'll have a nice and healthy "I told you so" to dish out when hotfix Delta rolls along. QFT Yeah I can only seem to use about 3/4 of my PG/CPU on my Skinweave Heavy Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:20:00 - [124] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. have not and will not complain about HMG overheat as that rewards skill and I would have been fine with a ~slight~ nerf like the original proposed 10% but 20%? NO WAY IMMA LET THAT SLIDE The amount is debatable, but they do have excessive pg/cpu. My MLT "Skinweave" BPO heavy can be fitted with proto everything short of either the sidearm or grenade (one has to be ADV), and that's on the MLT which already has reduced pg/cpu. Your efforts might be better spent advocating for a reduced pg/cpu reduction in feedback rather than raging here in general. Or you could wait a month and if you are right about the fitting costs being reduced too much, you'll have a nice and healthy "I told you so" to dish out when hotfix Delta rolls along. meh ive pretty much vented by this point and was hoping to see how much farther it goes. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2235	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:51:00 - [125] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Reign Omega wrote: So 100 CPU, and 30 PG give or take? Seems like a lot tbh, but I won't know for sure for 2 weeks It's back to the normal old levels, maybe a smidge higher. With maxed core we're talking about 69 PG, and if you're a relic with some points in HMG Optz then you'll likely only have to downgrade your sidearm and nades which are pretty minor, all things considered. If youre not a relic, heavy weapon opt . is a x6 skill which means 1,865,520 SP for lvl 5 in exchange for ~4 PG that only a single weapon benefits not the suit . Quite a steep SP sink for a single weapon. On the other hand, if you're not a relic, you can get that extra PG for level 4 (Level 5 is kinda pointless) for one of the only two heavy weapons in the game. It's not like light weapons where people can diversify, people who are actually bothering to go proto in Heavies will use the HMG more then enough to consider level 2 or 4 Opt skill worthwhile, an easy 900ksp if it means perfecting a fit to the max. Anyone who doesn't want to invest the 900Ksp to get it to level 4 won't be using a full proto sentinel anyways. It's like some scout users complaining about investing in the three Electronic Sensor skills to be effective, it's part of the role. Think of it as part of the trade-off for you not having to worry about high Equipment skills due to missing the whole slot to begin with. "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1664	Posted - 2014.07.25 00:21:00 - [126] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Thank Goodness Destiny is around the corner... Im sick of this nerf cycle. Heavys are fine... Actually what needs a Nerf is the community (Yes i just went there) All you forum warriors make me sick and its not the scouts Its the FOTM scouts... The one who lack the skill to take down heavies. Yes i know there is spam but Scouts act like they dont do it either... Fix the assualt and your heavy spam is gone... People in this game think a nerf is the only way to balance a game... Well thats my 2 isk, this nerf doesnt matter to me because im leaveing when Destiny comes out. Hopefully none of you FOTM chasers(Patrick, that Gav guy) come along we dont want you to taint the community. HEHEHEHEHEHE my OP NK minja FoTM Thats awesome. Oh thats hilarious. You're probably gonna be one of the people who think the warlock needs a buff and the hunter is good as is Its you FoTM heavies who lack any kind of gun game that are complaining about the changes. What??! Sacrifices??!! Those are for scouts and assaults, not heavies!!! Also, how many matches have you been in with 8 or more scouts? If its GëÑ #matches with 8 or more heavies, i take back everything I've ever said. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
MythTanker Haus of Triage 144	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:20:00 - [127] - Quote @Gavr Let me inform you that I have played this heavy since open beta THROUGH UPRISING (when we were laughed to death). Ive said it before and ill say it again. "I have no issue with this fix" My problem is after fix when the QQers want us nerfed more. In my "So whos next" thread you said that these were baby nerfs. You want more taken from us. You want to walk up to a prototype heavy and laugh in his face. Heres a tip: Get off the forums and find better ways to kill us. You must not like competition. If you have issues with heavy spam. ***** to CCP on how UP assualts are and problem solved. Please sit down and drink some water... I know you cant take all this Logic in at once simpleton. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2249	Posted - 2014.07.25 01:58:00 - [128] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: You're probably gonna be one of the people who think the warlock needs a buff and the hunter is good as is . Dafuq is this? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 400	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:01:00 - [129] - Quote Frosted Mini Wheats or Fruity Pebbles? Saying what's on people's minds
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2249	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:02:00 - [130] - Quote Frosted Mini Wheats all the way! Dark or White chocolate? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire

Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4539	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:06:00 - [131] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Frosted Mini Wheats all the way! Dark or White chocolate? Regular, like a man Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 401	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:13:00 - [132] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Frosted Mini Wheats all the way! Dark or White chocolate? White chocolate. But I want to be a man. I'm going to shoot for regular next time. Saying what's on people's minds
MythTanker Haus of Triage 145	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:17:00 - [133] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: You're probably gonna be one of the people who think the warlock needs a buff and the hunter is good as is . Dafuq is this? A snazzy comeback. Move along nothing to see here. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 612	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:51:00 - [134] - Quote Atiim wrote: medomai grey wrote: ]The racism is strong with this one. It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China. To clarify (only because of a particular dolt that is so desperate to be offended, appears later in this thread with the bloodlust of a warrior set to save the World through forced Political Correctness): There are too many good reasons to hate people as individuals. I don't need to disparage an entire culture. To the (supposedly) offended: Learn to laugh. It's a better life. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 629	Posted - 2014.07.25 02:58:00 - [135] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Frosted Mini Wheats all the way! Dark or White chocolate? Regular, like a man Did you know white chocolate isnt actually chocolate its the cocoa butter derivative? Also, Destiny will have nerf buff cycles as well, maybe not as much but all games with competitive edges suffer from balancing. Also, prepping my Gk.0 Assault for take off upon my return. Beavis or butt head? Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1665	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:01:00 - [136] - Quote MythTanker wrote: @Gavr Let me inform you that I have played this heavy since open beta THROUGH UPRISING (when we were laughed to death). Ive said it before and ill say it again. "I have no issue with this fix" My problem is after fix when the QQers want us nerfed more. In my "So whos next" thread you said that these were baby nerfs. You want more taken from us. You want to walk up to a prototype heavy and laugh in his face. Heres a tip: Get off the forums and find better ways to kill us. You must not like competition. If you have issues with heavy spam. ***** to CCP on how UP assualts are and problem solved. Please sit down and drink some water... I know you cant take all this Logic in at once simpleton. The fact that a MLT heavy with a basic HMG can't be killed by a fine rifle, yet can turn around and easily kill a proto assault scout heavy or logi cries imbalanced. Im fine with the ridiculous eHP, its just that the most skilless weapon in the game (HMG) which has no drawbacks accompanies near-LAV HP values, with resists to boot. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Venerable Phage Red Shirts Away Team 183	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:03:00 - [137] - Quote Fat suits have low CPU as they dropped all their compute slots for metal including an extra large bucket over their head which makes it hard to see. Not One Lifetime
RYN0CER0S Rise Of Old Dudes 613	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:07:00 - [138] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Beavis or Butthead? The Great Cornholio. "The streets will flow with the blood of the disbelievers" "I come from Lake Titicaca" "Come out, with your pants down" Classics. PSN: The_Rynoceros Console Master Race "It's better to burn out, than fade away." ~Def Leppard
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:23:00 - [139] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: Also, Destiny will have nerf buff cycles as well, maybe not as much but all games with competitive edges suffer from balancing. Destiny won't have a nerf buff cycle. Unlike CCP both Activision and Bungie both have the balls to tell the QQers "STFU and play the game with what we gave you, and if you don't like it then don't play, because when we lose 1 player we gain 100 more". What CoD or Halo game have you ever once seen a buff or nerf in the game after its release......maybe nerf or buff from beta to release but never after.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 145	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:33:00 - [140] - Quote @Gav If a MLT heavy kills a proto suit then that proto suit is terrible. The HMG isnt a hard weapon to use its the suit that come along with it. Larger hitbox, Large HP but very slow. No equipment. I do believe LAVs need to have an animation. You just want to kill a heavy with no problem, GTFO scrub im tired of your QQ The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4513	Posted - 2014.07.25 03:35:00 - [141] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. No!
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:03:00 - [142] - Quote Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. No! You really should get over it.......Not even a logi while full fitting reduction skills and passive equipment cost reduction they cant fit full proto everything and they got the most pg/cpu for drop suits
Reign Omega BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 632	Posted - 2014.07.25 06:09:00 - [143] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. No! You really should get over it.......Not even a logi while full fitting reduction skills and passive equipment cost reduction they cant fit full proto everything and they got the most pg/cpu for drop suits Full proto everything for a heavy is significantly less than for other suits, the least slots, no equip......thats kinda silly. Observe the public trust. Protect the innocent. Uphold the law.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3958	Posted - 2014.07.25 10:34:00 - [144] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Seriously people, I've used heavies since, well, two weeks after they ever existed. These new PG/CPU values are better then they have ever been besides the current iteration which is a bit nuts. The instant they changed them to what we have now after 1.7 I knew someone was going to get nerfed, the current values are just too high. HFC won't "break" heavies, it will put them properly in line with the rest of the suits. Currently heavies don't have to think to fit crap on a suit, and what you can fit on a basic frame is ridiculous. But hey, that's just, like, my opinion... man. I have to agree with Xocoyol. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3958	Posted - 2014.07.25 10:40:00 - [145] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Do you know what costs more PG than armor plates? Kinetic Catalyzers. Oh but you don't see heavies using those now do you? You see scouts using them. There is no extra PG on a scout WTF is wallhacking? Do you mean codebreakers? I have been using Kinetic Catalyzers on my Sentinel since 1.3. I think by GÇ£wall hackGÇ¥ he means passive scans. Yes, I know, I facepalmed when I realized it. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.
Regnier Feros Tokyo Ravens Anime Empire. 84	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:51:00 - [146] - Quote Pfft everyone knows ------> Apple Jack>Fruity Pebbles>Honey Combs>Honey Nut Cheerios>Lucky Charms>Captain Crunch>Fruit Loops. I like pie do you like pie because i hate pie & I like muffins.
Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 258	Posted - 2014.07.25 11:59:00 - [147] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The Amarr sentinel at proto level is losing 105 CPU while a proto HMG only receives a 23 CPU reduction. The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. I have not added up the numbers for when electronics and engineering skills are applied but the ratio of the changes is obviously meant to nerf tanking on heavies. Sorry to all you guys that went heavy while it was FOTM but in CCP fashion the nerf hammer is coming down..... To those that were heavy before it was cool please ignore the below statement. Bring on the FOTM chasing tears. All of you spamming heavies making those that worked hard to make a heavy work before the HMG was shredding all these scouts and feeding you easy points was disgusting. looool (wish i could still run my heavy shotgun like i used to back in closed beta. Aaaahhhh those were the days.) I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
JONAHBENHUR Inner.Hell 32	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:02:00 - [148] - Quote does it matter to take a lil of a heavy ? get your cpu and pg passive upgrades up then start shaving off cpu and pg usage off of weapons with skills "To be a man you must have honor, "HONOR AND A PENIS !!" -shinoske noharu
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1666	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:20:00 - [149] - Quote MythTanker wrote: @Gav If a MLT heavy kills a proto suit then that proto suit is terrible. The HMG isnt a hard weapon to use its the suit that come along with it. Larger hitbox, Large HP but very slow. No equipment. I do believe LAVs need to have an animation. You just want to kill a heavy with no problem, GTFO scrub im tired of your QQ Full ERA squad of PRO cal scouts with SG's or AR's or ACR's. Killed every one of them 1v1 with MLT gear. I don't even run heavy. Tell me that thats balanced. If you run it using tactics and situational awareness, the suit is overpowered, because it basically becomes an intelligent LAV with an HMG that can't move as fast. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Fox Gaden Immortal Guides 3959	Posted - 2014.07.25 12:34:00 - [150] - Quote Regnier Feros wrote: Pfft everyone knows ------> Apple Jack>Fruity Pebbles>Honey Combs>Honey Nut Cheerios>Lucky Charms>Captain Crunch>Fruit Loops. I am a Honey Bunches of Oats (Almonds) guy myself. Hand/Eye coordination cannot be taught. For everything else there is the Learning Coalition.



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