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ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:13:00 - [91] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 584	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:16:00 - [92] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge Dude you're making a fool of yourself... "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1658	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:16:00 - [93] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge Maybe because it is overpowered and leaves no room for any other suit, scout or med frame alike? Oh, aside from the lolpermascan passive scanning scout for each squad. Its shortsighted and overtly self-righteous people like you that give heavies a bad name. "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 220	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:19:00 - [94] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge I want to start it! 1. Heavies are easist to use (dont get me wrong) 2. Scouts/Logis are most specialized as they need 2-3x sp as you 3. Hevay with eq will be OP (rep nanohives,ammo) 4. Scouts say nothing about heavies. Get with it. Mediums have problems with them as they cant really counter them (range is not excuse) -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 585	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:20:00 - [95] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? Ill stop when you scouts stop.... You started this thread... "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Bormir1r Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 585	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:21:00 - [96] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge I want to start it! 1. Heavies are easist to use (dont get me wrong) 2. Scouts/Logis are most specialized as they need 2-3x sp as you 3. Hevay with eq will be OP (rep nanohives,ammo) 4. Scouts say nothing about heavies. Get with it. Mediums have problems with them as they cant really counter them (range is not excuse) Damn right about range since most maps require CQC and HMG has essentially same range if not greater range than all weapons except for maybe RR. "One does not simply" run like a Raptor. Only Mk.0 Scouts will do that. NK are my Teeth, Kin Cats are my Legs.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1659	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:21:00 - [97] - Quote Also, ATM a MLT minmitar heavy with a republic HMG, no points invested = a proto caldari scout, if the two have relatively equal gun game. If you are having trouble with a proto heavy... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7852	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:22:00 - [98] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Fool? is it foolish to be annoyed that a group(scouts) is conspiring to drag heavies back to the 1.0-1.6 age because its too much work to GASP think of ways to take out a heavy.... Guess I'm a fool then... I'm perfectly capable of thinking of ways to take out a Heavy... However, I can't think of ways to take out 4-6 at once. King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. Cross Atu for CPM1 /o/
Atiim Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 10899	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:23:00 - [99] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Also, ATM a MLT minmitar heavy with a republic HMG, no points invested = a proto caldari scout, if the two have relatively equal gun game. If you are having trouble with a proto heavy... "Heavies with gun game" And nothing of value was lost that day... -HAND
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1659	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:25:00 - [100] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Cat Merc wrote: They might be wallhackers, but you have 5 times their HP and double their DPS. QQ harder I couldn't even BEGIN to QQ as hard as they have... You've already surpassed everyone except a few other heavies... "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:26:00 - [101] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge I want to start it! 1. Heavies are easist to use (dont get me wrong) Easier then an invisible suit that can see through walls AND tank 2. Scouts/Logis are most specialized as they need 2-3x sp as you lvl 5 scout(preferably Gal for max tank and invisiblity) lvl 3 cloak and lvl 0 SG Soooo sp intensive... 3. Hevay with eq will be OP (rep nanohives,ammo) of course it would be unless you guys get your way and the HMG is useless again... 4. Scouts say nothing about heavies. Get with it. Mediums have problems with them as they cant really counter them (range is not excuse) why dont you ask some of your little scout brothers bout their QQ threads you might be surprised If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
Mejt0 Made in Poland... E-R-A 220	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:26:00 - [102] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Also, ATM a MLT minmitar heavy with a republic HMG, no points invested = a proto caldari scout, if the two have relatively equal gun game. If you are having trouble with a proto heavy... Maybe matar heavy have low hp..but damn if you guys spot me (as a scout) i feel like im being chased by another scout :]. Matars are like : Dont you try to run from me, Im gonna get ya!! -~-~-Caldari Loyalist-~-~- Markiplier fan. Hollywood Undead ,rocks.
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1659	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:26:00 - [103] - Quote Atiim wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Also, ATM a MLT minmitar heavy with a republic HMG, no points invested = a proto caldari scout, if the two have relatively equal gun game. If you are having trouble with a proto heavy... "Heavies with gun game" While it may seem like a most ironic oxymoron, there are a few (one) in existence who have actually almost as good gun game as a lot of scouts. (i.e. Skeletor Voltron) "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:43:00 - [104] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Just checked on Proto fits. Gallente sentinel GK.0 Boundless HMG Proto Assault SMG Proto flux 2 enhanced dmg mods 2 complex armour reps 1 complex plate. Just clocks in 4 CPU over and 4 PG under for hotfix Charlie. Now I don't know if the fitting reduction to heavy weapons was applied or not, but if it is...they should probably get a reduction to sidearms and grenades as well. Somebody tell Rattattooie! Stop QQing and play the game......So what if you can't for things....try adapting to the game instead of adapting the game to you.
deezy dabest IMPERIAL SPECIAL FORCES GROUP 813	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:49:00 - [105] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: If you have core skills maxed with engineering and electronics as well , you should be able to equip a proto suit with mostly proto gear and the rest adv gear. The decision should be which modules/weapon will be proto or adv on the proto suit. The reductions, on sentinnels, being made doesnt allow that on all builds. Why hand out random numbers if your going to have to change them again only to another set of random numbers. This isnt a Heavy vs Scout issue . It appears to be more a lets make the Assaults stand out more so people come back to Assaults. I Agree the Assaults need the buffs but not by nerfing other classes. EDIT: Change for the sake of change isnt always good. With almost 10 mil SP invested MOSTLY should not be a word that is in use. This is just a pitiful attempt to force people into assault suits and burn more SP. It gets old watching things intentionally dumped on just to push people in other directions. It is confirmed that scouts and assaults will be the new king.
843-Vika BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 126	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:54:00 - [106] - Quote Any work done to assaults was long needed.......Assault has been the least defined and most forgotten class in all of Dust.......With scouts, sentinels, logis, and commandos being able do the exact same things as an assault but better, tells you that assaults needed to be reworked to be viable again.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:06:00 - [107] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Any work done to assaults was long needed.......Assault has been the least defined and most forgotten class in all of Dust.......With scouts, sentinels, logis, and commandos being able do the exact same things as an assault but better, tells you that assaults needed to be reworked to be viable again. Agree totally 100% that assault needed some love but be warned when they become a threat(aka viable) to scouts prepare your ears for the QQ If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 128	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:06:00 - [108] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. was it really that hard to kill a heavy, wallhacker When there's six of them, yeah, it is. Calling me a wallhacker? Lame excuse for being bad. Sure, Scouts have problems, but to sit here and act like nothing is wrong with Heavies at all? Lol The fact that you were in Gunfall makes me sick boy... You and your COD kind are the reason why we have this constant nerf cycle... If you worked on your tactics and quit bitching on the forums you wouldn't have to worry about heavies... Now where did the heavy touch you? The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Matticus Monk OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 2189	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:08:00 - [109] - Quote Were scouts complaining about heavies? Did I miss that? The lionshare of complaints I see are mostly insta entry/exit by heavies into/out of LAVs. Double posting like a Kaiser.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:13:00 - [110] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Were scouts complaining about heavies? Did I miss that? The lionshare of complaints I see are mostly insta entry/exit by heavies into/out of LAVs. I would make a list but I'm lazy, just do a search on heavy, sentinel, or HMG and you will find em If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

MythTanker Haus of Triage 129	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:22:00 - [111] - Quote Thank Goodness Destiny is around the corner... Im sick of this nerf cycle. Heavys are fine... Actually what needs a Nerf is the community (Yes i just went there) All you forum warriors make me sick and its not the scouts Its the FOTM scouts... The one who lack the skill to take down heavies. Yes i know there is spam but Scouts act like they dont do it either... Fix the assualt and your heavy spam is gone... People in this game think a nerf is the only way to balance a game... Well thats my 2 isk, this nerf doesnt matter to me because im leaveing when Destiny comes out. Hopefully none of you FOTM chasers(Patrick, that Gav guy) come along we dont want you to taint the community. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:41:00 - [112] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Thank Goodness Destiny is around the corner... Im sick of this nerf cycle. Heavys are fine... Actually what needs a Nerf is the community (Yes i just went there) All you forum warriors make me sick and its not the scouts Its the FOTM scouts... The one who lack the skill to take down heavies. Yes i know there is spam but Scouts act like they dont do it either... Fix the assualt and your heavy spam is gone... People in this game think a nerf is the only way to balance a game... Well thats my 2 isk, this nerf doesnt matter to me because im leaveing when Destiny comes out. Hopefully none of you FOTM chasers(Patrick, that Gav guy) come along we dont want you to taint the community. o7 you have the beta yet? If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
MythTanker Haus of Triage 131	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:48:00 - [113] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: MythTanker wrote: Thank Goodness Destiny is around the corner... Im sick of this nerf cycle. Heavys are fine... Actually what needs a Nerf is the community (Yes i just went there) All you forum warriors make me sick and its not the scouts Its the FOTM scouts... The one who lack the skill to take down heavies. Yes i know there is spam but Scouts act like they dont do it either... Fix the assualt and your heavy spam is gone... People in this game think a nerf is the only way to balance a game... Well thats my 2 isk, this nerf doesnt matter to me because im leaveing when Destiny comes out. Hopefully none of you FOTM chasers(Patrick, that Gav guy) come along we dont want you to taint the community. o7 you have the beta yet? Yes it is amazing, lets hope it wont have these QQers in it The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4511	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:52:00 - [114] - Quote ShamelessALT wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... WHAT SANE SCOUT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT CHARLIE??! after all their biggest threat is getting castrated PS maybe cal scouts whining about not having the highest precision AND range on their wall hacks Yeah but everyone hates caldari scouts Even scouts Scanning is **. Just like that. Im cal scout and im happy that i will get damp bonus. Blueberry (this that talk about wallhack). Thats not pc game. And if you think that radar is wallhack, then you also have it as every suit. Really??? so a med suit can scan 50m+ away? thought not... Scouts arent butthurt. People want constant nerf to us (mostly to cal) cus they dont try to fight them. Have they ever equipped(fixed your spelling error) ScR? I dont think so. Really because ironically enough I DO use a ScR and it gets me a SG to the face...** So dont start this and let CCP work on this game (with CPM and vets who know how things are going) I didn't start this scouts did... but rest assured I will do my damnedest to finish it... Fun Fact! A minmatar logi can currently get a lower precision than a Gallente Scout! The more you know! Just as long as the dice keep rollin, the hoes keep hoein, and the money keeps flowin!
castba Merc-0107 527	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:03:00 - [115] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. Can other suits?
MythTanker Haus of Triage 131	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:07:00 - [116] - Quote castba wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. Can other suits? No. They dont care about their imbalances... The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
MythTanker Haus of Triage 131	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:11:00 - [117] - Quote S-PANZA wrote: Heavies are slow and wide (large hitbox) , as nimble as an installation., a meat shield. Even if equipped with biotics the Heavy is slower than a rolling rock with a hitbox the size of a side of a barn. Whenever I use my scout and change to a Heavy , it feels like a sloth that cant even jump a curb. Heavies are for gank and tank, its all theyre good for , hardly mobile. Maybe we should let them fit whatever they want. Take your logic and GTFO... Dust players cant handle your intelligence. The object of war is not to die for your country, but to make the other bastard die for his -George S. Patton
S-PANZA Expert Intervention Caldari State 7	Posted - 2014.07.24 22:17:00 - [118] - Quote MythTanker wrote: S-PANZA wrote: Heavies are slow and wide (large hitbox) , as nimble as an installation., a meat shield. Even if equipped with biotics the Heavy is slower than a rolling rock with a hitbox the size of a side of a barn. Whenever I use my scout and change to a Heavy , it feels like a sloth that cant even jump a curb. Heavies are for gank and tank, its all theyre good for , hardly mobile. Maybe we should let them fit whatever they want. Take your logic and GTFO... Dust players cant handle your intelligence.
Baal Omniscient Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 2003	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:06:00 - [119] - Quote deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. Cross Atu for CPM1 Winmatar Assault, Proficiency 5 SMG's & Proficiency 5 Swarms Since Uprising 1.0
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:11:00 - [120] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. have not and will not complain about HMG overheat as that rewards skill and I would have been fine with a ~slight~ nerf like the original proposed 10% but 20%? NO WAY IMMA LET THAT SLIDE If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.



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