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ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 17	Posted - 2014.07.24 03:52:00 - [1] - Quote you done whining yet wall hackers... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.07.24 05:55:00 - [2] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 21	Posted - 2014.07.24 07:14:00 - [3] - Quote Floyd20 Azizora wrote: I believe sentinel 's are getting a fitting bonus to heavy weapons as well. thats cool give wallhackers a fitting bonus to ewar mods, sidearms, SG, and SR. Then cut their cpu and pg in half. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2014.07.24 16:53:00 - [4] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: 1. To kill best scout, you only need ScR/ACR and whatever suit. 2. 3k heavy is like proto medium suit. 3. Now on adv cal sent i can eqiup proto fg/hmg and almost all complex mods. So its good that theyre cutting down cpu/pg 4. Scouts should have more pg/cpu. You only need to eqiup gun and few plates/extenders. Thats all. We eqiup 2 eqiupments which takes more cpu/pg than your guns+module. We eqiup modules which takes 30-90cpu and 0-15pg each (mostly 8-15). So gtfo. does your invisiblity really count when you get a 75% reduction to fitting it? guess what plates extenders and reps cost the same if not more then most of your wallhacking and invisibility modules. Im willing to meet halfway here you hackers should have so little cpu and pg that using anything other then a "scouty" weapon and modules should be impossible. PS. YOU G T F O If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:02:00 - [5] - Quote MassiveNine wrote: As long as I can still fit: x4 Complex Reppers Boundless HMG Ishukone Magsec Core Locus nade Complex DMG mod I'll be happy. good news YOU CANT even with all core engineering and electronics skills maxed out If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:24:00 - [6] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. was it really that hard to kill a heavy, wallhacker If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:41:00 - [7] - Quote Cody Sietz wrote: Just checked on Proto fits. Gallente sentinel GK.0 Boundless HMG Proto Assault SMG Proto flux 2 enhanced dmg mods 2 complex armour reps 1 complex plate. Just clocks in 4 CPU over and 4 PG under for hotfix Charlie. Now I don't know if the fitting reduction to heavy weapons was applied or not, but if it is...they should probably get a reduction to sidearms and grenades as well. Somebody tell Rattattooie! it was you can check by mousing over the weapon If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:45:00 - [8] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: Theres no real issue with the suits. You still can fit heavys properly like these: Charlie Ak.0 sentinel charlie Mk.0 sentinel Chralie Ck.0 sentinel Charlie GK.0 sentinel So wheres the issue? You have to be joking EVERY SINGLE ONE of your fits exceed CPU AND PG If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine...
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 28	Posted - 2014.07.24 17:53:00 - [9] - Quote Fox Gaden wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: you done whining yet wall hackers... If you are not factoring in the fitting bonus for Heavy Weapons then you are doing it wrong. Only the Rifle Sentinels should be QQing. The fitting bonus is included and that's why i'm annoyed. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:28:00 - [10] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:42:00 - [11] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: A gallente heavy has 2 less slots than a gallente scout yet more PG How is that not messed? Plates and reps cost a lot of pg but dont worry in hotfix charlie sentinel will have over 20pg less then the wallhacker suit Yeah complex plates. The sentinel is the only suit I know of that can fit proto everything. So yeah, I don't see a problem with having 20PG less then a scout, considering it has 2 less slots. of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Lol he don't know me very well I'm a gallente scout who has ZERO SP in shotguns, cloak, or sniper rifle. As if I could use my PG for such things. Do you know what costs more PG than armor plates? Kinetic Catalyzers. Oh but you don't see heavies using those now do you? You see scouts using them. There is no extra PG on a scout WTF is wallhacking? Do you mean codebreakers? used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:44:00 - [12] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... I'm not the one with the aching anus that award goes to the invisible wallhacking SGing midgets colloquially known as scouts. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:46:00 - [13] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: 843-Vika wrote: Atiim wrote: medomai grey wrote: ]The racism is strong with this one. It's not racism if the DEVs are actually in China. its racism since it specifially points toward people from china, its derogitory and should not be put in a forum Some of you have yet to actually experience racism I see. Also Derogatory, also it really isn't because he is simply stating that since CCP shanghai has taken the reins the game has taken a ***, it has significantly LESS to do with them being chinese, and more to do with china producing low cost low quality product for years. More of a business stereotype with factual basis in business reality than anything. rac-+ism: noun the belief that all members of each race possess characteristics or abilities specific to that race, especially so as to distinguish it as inferior or superior to another race or races. prejudice, discrimination, or antagonism directed against someone of a different race based on the belief that one's own race is superior. Also, I'm not sure how I feel about the fitting changes, I severely hope all my fittings aren't invalid when I return from vacation... but I doubt they will be. Party on dudes. spoiler alert* they WILL BE If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:47:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: They might be wallhackers, but you have 5 times their HP and double their DPS. QQ harder I couldn't even BEGIN to QQ as hard as they have... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:49:00 - [15] - Quote Happy Violentime wrote: I'll have you know i run 3 complex kin cats on one of my full proto amar heavies, I have some trouble though with.... 2 complex shield extenders, kala forge, proto nades, 2 complex cardiac regs and a complex kin cat. I can't quite fit the ishy SMG on it. FML! Try that with the new numbers If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:50:00 - [16] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: used kin kats all the time pre 1.8 on my heavy not worth it anymore since the speed nerf tho By wallhack I mean this Oh Wall hacking! I thought you meant like all those times heavies can put their HMG through walls and kill you. Oh so since when did scouts make walls transparent? you see distance and direction faced. do you need a bigger crutch then that? If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:52:00 - [17] - Quote Reign Omega wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: spoiler alert they WILL BE How much are they actually shaving off of the fitting space? I run Gallente heavy, and I have a big chunk on my proto to spare, thats with all complex plates/reps in the lows, complex damage in the high, Six Kin burst, six kin ASMG, and m8 Locus.... 274 base CPU 53 base PG don't know your skill but I'm sure you can figure it out. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 18:58:00 - [18] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: of course you wouldn't... after all you get to use that extra pg for your OHK SG while being invisible AND wallhacking Now I'm sure you're just butthurt... I'm not the one with the aching anus that award goes to the invisible wallhacking SGing midgets colloquially known as scouts. How are Scouts butthurt? You seem pretty butthurt. shall I pull up the MULTITUDE of threads started by SCOUTS (no one else just scouts) complaining about the one suit that takes more then one SG blast to kill...(I'd rather not but if you insist I will do it....) If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:01:00 - [19] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... WHAT SANE SCOUT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT CHARLIE??! after all their biggest threat is getting castrated PS maybe cal scouts whining about not having the highest precision AND range on their wall hacks If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:05:00 - [20] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: shall I pull up the MULTITUDE of threads started by SCOUTS (no one else just scouts) complaining about the one suit that takes more then one SG blast to kill...(I'd rather not but if you insist I will do it....) They aren't complaining simply because they're scouts, but because the Heavy spam is ridiculous. I bet you never thought of that. Yet those threads are started ONLY by scouts... Smells like anusache to me If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:33:00 - [21] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: shall I pull up the MULTITUDE of threads started by SCOUTS (no one else just scouts) complaining about the one suit that takes more then one SG blast to kill...(I'd rather not but if you insist I will do it....) They aren't complaining simply because they're scouts, but because the Heavy spam is ridiculous. I bet you never thought of that. Yet those threads are started ONLY by scouts... Smells like anusache to me Medium frames are so UP that if they started a thread about how hard it was to kill heavies people would say "Your suit is underpowered" Thus medium frames posing as scouts must bring up the issue Tsk Tsk deflection does not win debates... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:39:00 - [22] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: Here's a thread of heavy tears: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709 Now bring to the table a thread of scout tears about charlie. I know they're out there I have faith in you... WHAT SANE SCOUT WOULD COMPLAIN ABOUT CHARLIE??! after all their biggest threat is getting castrated PS maybe cal scouts whining about not having the highest precision AND range on their wall hacks Yeah but everyone hates caldari scouts Even scouts Scanning is **. Just like that. Im cal scout and im happy that i will get damp bonus. Blueberry (this that talk about wallhack). Thats not pc game. And if you think that radar is wallhack, then you also have it as every suit. Really??? so a med suit can scan 50m+ away? thought not... Scouts arent butthurt. People want constant nerf to us (mostly to cal) cus they dont try to fight them. Have they ever equipped(fixed your spelling error) ScR? I dont think so. Really because ironically enough I DO use a ScR and it gets me a SG to the face...** So dont start this and let CCP work on this game (with CPM and vets who know how things are going) I didn't start this scouts did... but rest assured I will do my damnedest to finish it... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 30	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:44:00 - [23] - Quote Bormir1r wrote: Patrick57 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Patrick57 wrote: Oh, so you can't fit all Proto everything, GET OVER IT. was it really that hard to kill a heavy, wallhacker When there's six of them, yeah, it is. Calling me a wallhacker? Lame excuse for being bad. Sure, Scouts have problems, but to sit here and act like nothing is wrong with Heavies at all? Lol Pat I'm pretty sure we don't even have to say anything; this guy wants to make a fool of himself. Fool? is it foolish to be annoyed that a group(scouts) is conspiring to drag heavies back to the 1.0-1.6 age because its too much work to GASP think of ways to take out a heavy.... Guess I'm a fool then... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 19:54:00 - [24] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: Community wanted this. As scouts get nerfed so stop being a poor baby : ,,you no longer will fit everything proto on your heavy, wah!" It's funny because I only see "famous" 133T scouts complaining and NOONE ELSE If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:05:00 - [25] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Community wanted this. As scouts get nerfed so stop being a poor baby : ,,you no longer will fit everything proto on your heavy, wah!" It's funny because I only see "famous" 133T scouts complaining and NOONE ELSE 133T , what? Noones complaining. I can see people can get mad but havent seen scouts qqing. But i can see multiple threads vs scouts. Thats make me fell bad. On the other side, nerfing is bad. Cus you know, theres always Assault,Logi,other Scouts to use (skill points magick) SP is not the issue. The issue is that scouts got the HMG and the heavy nerfed because they are too stupid to learn to not rush the heavy from the front... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:06:00 - [26] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? Ill stop when you scouts stop.... If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:13:00 - [27] - Quote Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 33	Posted - 2014.07.24 20:26:00 - [28] - Quote Mejt0 wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Mejt0 wrote: Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p wrote: Well lets see-1 less EQ slot, 1 less module slot, cloak takes up more cpu/pg than any other thing in the game, even with max scout skill Done whining yet scrub heavy? 2 less eq :) Typo lol oopsies TY for the catch maybe it shouldn't be why DOESN'T the heavy have an equip. perhaps because it is the most specialized suit in the game eschewing all for the sake of tank and gank. so why do scouts insist on trying to take them back to early uprising uselessness I know... It must be because with its HP and HMG it is one of the only suits that stand a real challenge I want to start it! 1. Heavies are easist to use (dont get me wrong) Easier then an invisible suit that can see through walls AND tank 2. Scouts/Logis are most specialized as they need 2-3x sp as you lvl 5 scout(preferably Gal for max tank and invisiblity) lvl 3 cloak and lvl 0 SG Soooo sp intensive... 3. Hevay with eq will be OP (rep nanohives,ammo) of course it would be unless you guys get your way and the HMG is useless again... 4. Scouts say nothing about heavies. Get with it. Mediums have problems with them as they cant really counter them (range is not excuse) why dont you ask some of your little scout brothers bout their QQ threads you might be surprised If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:06:00 - [29] - Quote 843-Vika wrote: Any work done to assaults was long needed.......Assault has been the least defined and most forgotten class in all of Dust.......With scouts, sentinels, logis, and commandos being able do the exact same things as an assault but better, tells you that assaults needed to be reworked to be viable again. Agree totally 100% that assault needed some love but be warned when they become a threat(aka viable) to scouts prepare your ears for the QQ If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:13:00 - [30] - Quote Matticus Monk wrote: Were scouts complaining about heavies? Did I miss that? The lionshare of complaints I see are mostly insta entry/exit by heavies into/out of LAVs. I would make a list but I'm lazy, just do a search on heavy, sentinel, or HMG and you will find em If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.

ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 34	Posted - 2014.07.24 21:41:00 - [31] - Quote MythTanker wrote: Thank Goodness Destiny is around the corner... Im sick of this nerf cycle. Heavys are fine... Actually what needs a Nerf is the community (Yes i just went there) All you forum warriors make me sick and its not the scouts Its the FOTM scouts... The one who lack the skill to take down heavies. Yes i know there is spam but Scouts act like they dont do it either... Fix the assualt and your heavy spam is gone... People in this game think a nerf is the only way to balance a game... Well thats my 2 isk, this nerf doesnt matter to me because im leaveing when Destiny comes out. Hopefully none of you FOTM chasers(Patrick, that Gav guy) come along we dont want you to taint the community. o7 you have the beta yet? If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:11:00 - [32] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. have not and will not complain about HMG overheat as that rewards skill and I would have been fine with a ~slight~ nerf like the original proposed 10% but 20%? NO WAY IMMA LET THAT SLIDE If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.
ShamelessALT Ametat Security Amarr Empire 40	Posted - 2014.07.24 23:20:00 - [33] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: ShamelessALT wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: deezy dabest wrote: The scouts won and the overheat nerf to the HMG was just a distraction. <----- Not a scout (check the sig), still believe the game needed this. It isn't only the scouts who melt to heavies, it's everyone else too. have not and will not complain about HMG overheat as that rewards skill and I would have been fine with a ~slight~ nerf like the original proposed 10% but 20%? NO WAY IMMA LET THAT SLIDE The amount is debatable, but they do have excessive pg/cpu. My MLT "Skinweave" BPO heavy can be fitted with proto everything short of either the sidearm or grenade (one has to be ADV), and that's on the MLT which already has reduced pg/cpu. Your efforts might be better spent advocating for a reduced pg/cpu reduction in feedback rather than raging here in general. Or you could wait a month and if you are right about the fitting costs being reduced too much, you'll have a nice and healthy "I told you so" to dish out when hotfix Delta rolls along. meh ive pretty much vented by this point and was hoping to see how much farther it goes. If you strike me down, I shall become more powerful then you can possibly imagine... Scouts, do me a favor and biomass.