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Echo 1991 wrote:

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Are you prehaps complaining about the HMG?
Currently the Highest Achievable DPS from the HMG is 800 DPS at the Far flung range of 30m.
After that it's effectiveness drops rapidly until it's effective range at about 45m. Now this sounds very powerful, but there are a few considerations to be made.

Firstly EVERY rifle in the game vastly outranges it, even the Assault Rifle. Provided you put enough distance between you there is nothing he can do.

Secomdly the HMG has poor accuracy even after 20m you begin to loose DPS because your spread is so wide, by the time you reach further than 30m the only way to reliably submit damage is to stop, crouch and ADS making you an even easier target.

In short if you are having trouble with Heavies you either need to
1. Not engage them in the tight spaces they are designed for

Why do people always come up with the same old rubbish about not getting in range of their HMG? its all well and good on an open map but when you assault a point and need to get in there what are ya gonna do against that heavy? i mean really? aside from getting the jump on said heavy you would have to hope that all your bullets successfully hit in order to kill them and if they manage to turn around quick enough you will most likely die. Heavies are too good at what they do and have very few counters. Apart from a shotty RE guy or another heavy it is incredibly hard to kill a heavy in a one on one fight at most objectives because they are mainly small rooms with a hack panel. How can you stay out of the optimal if you need to get in there? You just cant.

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Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3112	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:24:00 - [1] - Quote You guys ready to admit that there's a problem yet? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 264	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:29:00 - [2] - Quote When I can kill a sentinel / HMG with a Sevr / Exile there is no problem Move along.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3112	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:33:00 - [3] - Quote Can you kill a Scout with that fine rifle? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7811	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:34:00 - [4] - Quote Yes, I am. :o King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR
RayRay James Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 264	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:35:00 - [5] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Can you kill a Scout with that fine rifle? Yep, I can kill anything with that rifle, given the proper situation. YOU CAN TOO!!! Just call 1-900-I'M-NOT-DUMB, i'll teach you how for $9.99 a minute
Jack 3enimble Vengeance Unbound Dark Taboo 46	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:37:00 - [6] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: You guys ready to admit that there's a problem yet? IMHO here's the "problem". You see more heavies because CCP introduced 3 new heavy frames. So everyone that wanted to play a heavy but not with a Amarr frame plays heavy now with 3 of the new suits. That's why there is a scout "spam" aswell, people tend to flock to what is new especially after the respect that was given and the million clone challenge. That way people got experimental with the heavy frame. ("ah what the hell I have 600k sp laying around, let me try it out") Note that most of the heavies you see are adv. The heavy spam was there already just now magnified because of 3 new suits. Remember the heavy event or the introduction of the research lab map. Just my 2 cents.
Xocoyol Zaraoul Superior Genetics 2181	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:49:00 - [7] - Quote Out of curiosity, in a team of 16 people, how many would you find it acceptable to have heavy suits? Your ideal number is? "You see those red dots over there? Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 7812	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:51:00 - [8] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Out of curiosity, in a team of 16 people, how many would you find it acceptable to have heavy suits? Your ideal number is? None! :D King Thunderbolt is my number one fan. :D TFR
R-E-D-R-U-M WRONG-TURN 11	Posted - 2014.07.21 20:55:00 - [9] - Quote RayRay James wrote: When I can kill a sentinel / HMG with a Sevr / Exile there is no problem Move along. I killed TONS of heavies with that very suit/gun. Aim for the soft spot. Right through the top of the head. AR is OP!
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3113	Posted - 2014.07.21 21:00:00 - [10] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Out of curiosity, in a team of 16 people, how many would you find it acceptable to have heavy suits? Your ideal number is? I suspect it would be under 10 :-) Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley

iKILLu osborne WarRavens Final Resolution. 95	Posted - 2014.07.21 21:05:00 - [11] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: You guys ready to admit that there's a problem yet? shud up i'm enjoying my foes being big, dumb, slow, overconfident ape's here is a joke, so an amarr scout walks in lol after charlie it will be"oh shlt a amarr scout walked in"
Games Haven Seykal Expeditionary Group Minmatar Republic 212	Posted - 2014.07.21 21:32:00 - [12] - Quote Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote: Out of curiosity, in a team of 16 people, how many would you find it acceptable to have heavy suits? Your ideal number is? 16 The struggle is real.
Atiim Commando Perkone Caldari State 10803	Posted - 2014.07.21 21:32:00 - [13] - Quote RayRay James wrote: When I can kill a sentinel / HMG with a Sevr / Exile there is no problem Move along. May I have the name of that Sentinel user? I want to make sure s/he understands just how bad of a player he is. Once a ScRub, always a sCRub. -HAND
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2867	Posted - 2014.07.21 21:39:00 - [14] - Quote Adipem, you and I both know that being a FOTM is like being a drug addict. They will never admit there is a problem. Has happened with assaults, tanks, scouts, and now heavies. This is how a minja feels
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4290	Posted - 2014.07.21 21:41:00 - [15] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Adipem, you and I both know that being a FOTM is like being a drug addict. They will never admit there is a problem. Has happened with assaults, tanks, scouts, and now heavies. But I admit! I went to rehab. Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
Benjamin Ciscko Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 2562	Posted - 2014.07.21 22:39:00 - [16] - Quote RayRay James wrote: When I can kill a sentinel / HMG with a Sevr / Exile there is no problem Move along. How about 3 simultaneously? We also aren't talking about militia suits. Tanker/Logi 0 The number of 7ucks given
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2870	Posted - 2014.07.21 22:49:00 - [17] - Quote Bojo The Mighty wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Adipem, you and I both know that being a FOTM is like being a drug addict. They will never admit there is a problem. Has happened with assaults, tanks, scouts, and now heavies. But I admit! I went to rehab. I don't recall you being FOTM though. You were a scout when it wasn't popular to or easy to be one. Just as there were tankers and are currently assaults in the same boat. This is how a minja feels
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 389	Posted - 2014.07.21 22:49:00 - [18] - Quote RayRay James wrote: When I can kill a sentinel / HMG with a Sevr / Exile there is no problem Move along. Get your useful asses in my pro-Sentinel thread before CCP nerfs us: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&t=168709&find=unread Speak out against the heavy QQ
Bojo The Mighty Spaceman Drug Cartel-Uno 4292	Posted - 2014.07.21 22:54:00 - [19] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: Bojo The Mighty wrote: One Eyed King wrote: Adipem, you and I both know that being a FOTM is like being a drug addict. They will never admit there is a problem. Has happened with assaults, tanks, scouts, and now heavies. But I admit! I went to rehab. I don't recall you being FOTM though. You were a scout when it wasn't popular or easy to be one. I went to rehab for nothing? Smell the burning flesh. Taste the tangy sulfur air. Volcano Season - Moltar's Haiku : SGC2C
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5430	Posted - 2014.07.21 22:59:00 - [20] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: You guys ready to admit that there's a problem yet? I kill Sentinels with a SCR pistol and an SMG. The only thing i hate is Sentinels on LAV's just patrolling open areas.... But i wouldn't call it a PROBLEM... Stealth Storm

Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3118	Posted - 2014.07.21 22:59:00 - [21] - Quote Ok so what exactly are you complaing about? Or is this just simple Adipem Nothi wrote: Waah! It kiled me! Waah! Are you complaing about the EHP? The maximum achievable Tank is currently about 1600 EHP, this may seem like a lot, but for perspective a Standard Assault Rifle carries 1,800dmg per clip which it dispenses in less than 4 seconds. Now you also have to consider this 'Extreme EHP' comes at some sacrifices, mostly Gùå Largest Hitbox Gùå Slowest Speed Gùå Lack of Equipment So what exactly is the problem here? Are you prehaps complaining about the HMG? Currently the Highest Achievable DPS from the HMG is 800 DPS at the Far flung range of 30m. After that it's effectiveness drops rapidly until it's effective range at about 45m. Now this sounds very powerful, but there are a few considerations to be made. Firstly EVERY rifle in the game vastly outranges it, even the Assault Rifle. Provided you put enough distance between you there is nothing he can do. Secomdly the HMG has poor accuracy even after 20m you begin to loose DPS because your spread is so wide, by the time you reach further than 30m the only way to reliably submit damage is to stop, crouch and ADS making you an even easier target. In short if you are having trouble with Heavies you either need to 1. Not engage them in the tight spaces they are designed for 2. Get good I'll let you figure out which one aplies here. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5432	Posted - 2014.07.21 23:01:00 - [22] - Quote Monkey MAC wrote: Ok so what exactly are you complaing about? Or is this just simple Adipem Nothi wrote: Waah! It kiled me! Waah! Are you complaing about the EHP? The maximum achievable Tank is currently about 1600 EHP, this may seem like a lot, but for perspective a Standard Assault Rifle carries 1,800dmg per clip which it dispenses in less than 4 seconds. Now you also have to consider this 'Extreme EHP' comes at some sacrifices, mostly Gùå Largest Hitbox Gùå Slowest Speed Gùå Lack of Equipment So what exactly is the problem here? Are you prehaps complaining about the HMG? Currently the Highest Achievable DPS from the HMG is 800 DPS at the Far flung range of 30m. After that it's effectiveness drops rapidly until it's effective range at about 45m. Now this sounds very powerful, but there are a few considerations to be made. Firstly EVERY rifle in the game vastly outranges it, even the Assault Rifle. Provided you put enough distance between you there is nothing he can do. Secomdly the HMG has poor accuracy even after 20m you begin to loose DPS because your spread is so wide, by the time you reach further than 30m the only way to reliably submit damage is to stop, crouch and ADS making you an even easier target. In short if you are having trouble with Heavies you either need to 1. Not engage them in the tight spaces they are designed for 2. Get good I'll let you figure out which one aplies here. I like this Format. You are missing some BOLD thou... Stealth Storm
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3118	Posted - 2014.07.21 23:05:00 - [23] - Quote KING CHECKMATE wrote: Monkey MAC wrote: Ok so what exactly are you complaing about? Or is this just simple Adipem Nothi wrote: Waah! It kiled me! Waah! Are you complaing about the EHP? The maximum achievable Tank is currently about 1600 EHP, this may seem like a lot, but for perspective a Standard Assault Rifle carries 1,800dmg per clip which it dispenses in less than 4 seconds. Now you also have to consider this 'Extreme EHP' comes at some sacrifices, mostly Gùå Largest Hitbox Gùå Slowest Speed Gùå Lack of Equipment So what exactly is the problem here? Are you prehaps complaining about the HMG? Currently the Highest Achievable DPS from the HMG is 800 DPS at the Far flung range of 30m. After that it's effectiveness drops rapidly until it's effective range at about 45m. Now this sounds very powerful, but there are a few considerations to be made. Firstly EVERY rifle in the game vastly outranges it, even the Assault Rifle. Provided you put enough distance between you there is nothing he can do. Secomdly the HMG has poor accuracy even after 20m you begin to loose DPS because your spread is so wide, by the time you reach further than 30m the only way to reliably submit damage is to stop, crouch and ADS making you an even easier target. In short if you are having trouble with Heavies you either need to 1. Not engage them in the tight spaces they are designed for 2. Get good I'll let you figure out which one aplies here. I like this Format. You are missing some BOLD thou... My apologies is this better? They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5432	Posted - 2014.07.21 23:07:00 - [24] - Quote Exquisite selection of words to BOLD. +1 Specially the last group. Stealth Storm
Scar Scrilla Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 297	Posted - 2014.07.21 23:10:00 - [25] - Quote Grab a shotgun and REs, problem solved "Si tacuisses, philosophus mansisses" " ... or grab a shotgun and REs." - UN1TE
Michael Arck 4939	Posted - 2014.07.21 23:30:00 - [26] - Quote CalAss spam Slaylogi spam Nade spam Scout spam Heavy spam Spam, spam everywhere Archistrategos *Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain*
Echo 1991 WarRavens Final Resolution. 361	Posted - 2014.07.21 23:42:00 - [27] - Quote Quote: Are you prehaps complaining about the HMG? Currently the Highest Achievable DPS from the HMG is 800 DPS at the Far flung range of 30m. After that it's effectiveness drops rapidly until it's effective range at about 45m. Now this sounds very powerful, but there are a few considerations to be made. Firstly EVERY rifle in the game vastly outranges it, even the Assault Rifle. Provided you put enough distance between you there is nothing he can do. Secomdly the HMG has poor accuracy even after 20m you begin to loose DPS because your spread is so wide, by the time you reach further than 30m the only way to reliably submit damage is to stop, crouch and ADS making you an even easier target. In short if you are having trouble with Heavies you either need to 1. Not engage them in the tight spaces they are designed for Why do people always come up with the same old rubbish about not getting in range of their HMG? its all well and good on an open map but when you assault a point and need to get in there what are ya gonna do against that heavy? i mean really? aside from getting the jump on said heavy you would have to hope that all your bullets successfully hit in order to kill them and if they manage to turn around quick enough you will most likely die. Heavies are too good at what they do and have very few counters. Apart from a shotty RE guy or another heavy it is incredibly hard to kill a heavy in a one on one fight at most objectives because they are mainly small rooms with a hack panel. How can you stay out of the optimal if you need to get in there? You just cant.
KING CHECKMATE Opus Arcana Covert Intervention 5436	Posted - 2014.07.22 00:12:00 - [28] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Quote: Are you prehaps complaining about the HMG? Currently the Highest Achievable DPS from the HMG is 800 DPS at the Far flung range of 30m. After that it's effectiveness drops rapidly until it's effective range at about 45m. Now this sounds very powerful, but there are a few considerations to be made. Firstly EVERY rifle in the game vastly outranges it, even the Assault Rifle. Provided you put enough distance between you there is nothing he can do. Secomdly the HMG has poor accuracy even after 20m you begin to loose DPS because your spread is so wide, by the time you reach further than 30m the only way to reliably submit damage is to stop, crouch and ADS making you an even easier target. In short if you are having trouble with Heavies you either need to 1. Not engage them in the tight spaces they are designed for Why do people always come up with the same old rubbish about not getting in range of their HMG? its all well and good on an open map but when you assault a point and need to get in there what are ya gonna do against that heavy? i mean really? aside from getting the jump on said heavy you would have to hope that all your bullets successfully hit in order to kill them and if they manage to turn around quick enough you will most likely die. Heavies are too good at what they do and have very few counters. Apart from a shotty RE guy or another heavy it is incredibly hard to kill a heavy in a one on one fight at most objectives because they are mainly small rooms with a hack panel. How can you stay out of the optimal if you need to get in there? You just cant. Counters to HEavy in CQ: Stealth (scouts) , GRENADES , Shotguns, Plasma Cannon , Remote Explosives ,Teamwork Counters to heavy in open Fields: WEll pretty much any weapon that outranges their HMG's. Counter to heavies with Light weapons: Getting close and using High RoF weapons,SG,Grenades,or Other Heavies Counter to Heavy on LAV: AV weaponry. Extra notes:Bunny hop, Precision enhancers,Active scanners and strafing can make your job a lot easier. WARNING: You still need skill to drop an enemy with almost DOUBLE your EHP and an HMG, but hey! if you dont have it you an always Use a Heavy yourself and pray you can kill a real heavy with it. Stealth Storm
Monkey MAC Rough Riders.. 3118	Posted - 2014.07.22 00:20:00 - [29] - Quote Echo 1991 wrote: Quote: Are you prehaps complaining about the HMG? Currently the Highest Achievable DPS from the HMG is 800 DPS at the Far flung range of 30m. After that it's effectiveness drops rapidly until it's effective range at about 45m. Now this sounds very powerful, but there are a few considerations to be made. Firstly EVERY rifle in the game vastly outranges it, even the Assault Rifle. Provided you put enough distance between you there is nothing he can do. Secomdly the HMG has poor accuracy even after 20m you begin to loose DPS because your spread is so wide, by the time you reach further than 30m the only way to reliably submit damage is to stop, crouch and ADS making you an even easier target. In short if you are having trouble with Heavies you either need to 1. Not engage them in the tight spaces they are designed for Why do people always come up with the same old rubbish about not getting in range of their HMG? its all well and good on an open map but when you assault a point and need to get in there what are ya gonna do against that heavy? i mean really? aside from getting the jump on said heavy you would have to hope that all your bullets successfully hit in order to kill them and if they manage to turn around quick enough you will most likely die. Heavies are too good at what they do and have very few counters. Apart from a shotty RE guy or another heavy it is incredibly hard to kill a heavy in a one on one fight at most objectives because they are mainly small rooms with a hack panel. How can you stay out of the optimal if you need to get in there? You just cant. That's exactly how it's meant to be though, if heavies with HMG weren't good in close, confined spaces why have them at all. If you know there is a heavy round the corner use a Mass Driver, or a plasma cannon, or ram a tank up his backside. Use scouts with Breach Shotguns and Cloaks, use grenades, use Forge guns, use Remote Explosives, use an Assault with 2/3 logis on his back. So in reality it's not a problem with the Heavy suit is it? It is down to the fact the HMG has somewhere it is good, very good amd you can't beat by just running round the corner, chop-strafing and using a damage modded rifle. It's called tactics and there are plenty of options available, stop trying to be the one man army all the time. They call me the Monkey - I like to jump off sh** and piss RE's all over your tank! Monkey Mac - Forum Warrior Lvl 3
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 3127	Posted - 2014.07.22 00:27:00 - [30] - Quote Thank you guys for all those excuses, explanations and illustrations; they were very nice. To get back to the point... I've been seeing alot of Heavy Spam. I'm sure you have too. By spam, I mean 50% or more of the mercs I see (friendly and hostile) are waddling around in Heavy Frames. Why do you guys make of this trend? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley



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