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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:33:00 -
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http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c
Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you?
If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do.
This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is.
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Hakyou Brutor
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:34:00 -
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Easy fix: Run precision enhancers. |
Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:35:00 -
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I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given. |
Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3247
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:38:00 -
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Hakyou Brutor wrote:Easy fix: Run precision enhancers.
You really think so?
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3247
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:41:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given.
But the scout suit isn't the issue at hand.....it's the cloak
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:45:00 -
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Fiddlestaxp wrote:I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given.
Thanks fiddle, I appreciate it :)
I'm a ****** bootleg scout though, not even gonna lie. MnM are the true scouts (Moody, Nega, Musturd)
But dubbs, I see what you're saying but maybe you forgot how much PC lags, everything is just so much more sluggish in PC than pubs for some reason I cannot fathom it might just be a graphical issue I'm not really sure, cloaks are honestly not so much of a problem, it really isn't hard to notice if you're vigilant and Hakyou is right, precision fit hunter scouts truly solves the problem IMO
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Fiddlestaxp
TeamPlayers
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Posted - 2014.07.14 04:46:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given. But the scout suit isn't the issue at hand.....it's the cloak Real issue is the north atlantic islanders running the show. Cloak is just a symptom. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11826
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:02:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7cNow, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is.
Cyrius Li Moody best Min scout in the game besides Mr Mustard
ERA blind......
"I guess this is goodbye for now Little One. This is how you will become one of us, one of the Amarr." - Kador Ouryon
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3247
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:03:00 -
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1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote:Fiddlestaxp wrote:I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given. Thanks fiddle, I appreciate it :) I'm a ****** bootleg scout though, not even gonna lie. MnM are the true scouts (Moody, Nega, Musturd) But dubbs, I see what you're saying but maybe you forgot how much PC lags, everything is just so much more sluggish in PC than pubs for some reason I cannot fathom it might just be a graphical issue I'm not really sure, cloaks are honestly not so much of a problem, it really isn't hard to notice if you're vigilant and Hakyou is right, precision fit hunter scouts truly solves the problem IMO
There was a point where they were looking for the guy lol and couldn't find him because he stood still between the opening on the objective. At one point, he even went behind boundaries...no way could they have spotted him back there.
I remember testing precision enhancers vs dampeners. And I remember not being able to see a gal scout with one dampener and a cloak no matter how many enhancers I had. So, I'm under the impression that precision modules' has a limit to low they can scan.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:04:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7cNow, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Cyrius Li Moody best Min scout in the game besides Mr Mustard ERA blind......
So, what you're saying is that you would be able to do better and be able to spot him? That your situational awareness is even better than Espeon's? Cause I saw Espeon standing near him and he didn't know he was there either.
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
6195
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:14:00 -
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Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best.
QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ
Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exists.
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Hakyou Brutor
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
876
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:33:00 -
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In all honesty, how blind is the heavy at 2:40?
Not only did he sit cloaked right in front of him, but when Moody killed the hacker, the heavy looked right at the A computer, where Moody was standing, uncloaked... and yet, he still didn't "see" him? |
Brokerib
Lone Wolves Club
1642
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Posted - 2014.07.14 05:53:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7cNow, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Not sure what the problem is? He used the cloak a lot, but it was only really a factor in a small amount of situations. Most of it was positioning and using passive scans to beat direct vision. Time to invest in a proto Gal logi? Would wreak havok on a limited battlefield like the bridge.
Knowledge is power
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
844
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Posted - 2014.07.14 06:48:00 -
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you have to put one full ewar caldari scan scout in your squad so the rest of your squad can see them on the radar
KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3249
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:00:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best.
QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots.
Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP.
"abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa
ps- Have a like. +1
If you read my post, you'll notice that I wrote that it wasn't a dig at you. It's a dig at how ridiculous the cloak is. You can practically be invisible for the entire match. I hate the cooldown mechanic of cloak. You just happened to be the person one taking advantage of the cloak in the video.
But since you brought it up, we can explore it. I mean, seriously you don't need a lot of health when the enemy can't see you and you essentially OHK them in the back. It isn't like you intended on having gun fights. It also may not be fair to say that they didn't have their eyes open because you were hiding behnd the objective and popped out when they were hacking objectives and recloaked and hid again. Other times you stood still where they wouldn't have seen a shimmer. And there was a time where you hid behind the barriers on A which I didn't even know you could do :).
But I reiterate, this wasn't about you but how often one can remain cloaked for an entire game. The cooldown mechanic on the cloak is a joke.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3249
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Posted - 2014.07.14 09:01:00 -
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CUSE TOWN333 wrote:you have to put one full ewar caldari scan scout in your squad so the rest of your squad can see them on the radar
With the stacking penalties, I don't think that you can pick up a deepened, damped and cloaked scout.
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
844
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Posted - 2014.07.14 10:14:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:CUSE TOWN333 wrote:you have to put one full ewar caldari scan scout in your squad so the rest of your squad can see them on the radar With the stacking penalties, I don't think that you can pick up a deepened, damped and cloaked scout. most of there scouts aren't full damped like putting all damps in there low slots. i tested it and it made it easyer for my heavy to see moody and mr mustard trying to sneak up on my heavy.
KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
2728
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:06:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote: There was a point where they were looking for the guy lol and couldn't find him because he stood still between the opening on the objective. At one point, he even went behind boundaries...no way could they have spotted him back there.
Moody's running around a quarter of your nearest Heavy's HP and has a lifespan less than a half second when spotted. Being tough to see is the point; you can't possibly expect him to fight toe-to-toe.
Plus you're totally wrong ... RND could've shut him down with a single GalLogi or CalScout.
Cloak is fine. These tears are the joke.
Shoot scout with yes...
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3249
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:12:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: There was a point where they were looking for the guy lol and couldn't find him because he stood still between the opening on the objective. At one point, he even went behind boundaries...no way could they have spotted him back there.
Moody's running around a quarter of your nearest Heavy's HP and has a lifespan less than a half second when spotted. Being tough to see is the point; you can't possibly expect him to fight toe-to-toe. Plus you're totally wrong ... RND could've shut him down with a single GalLogi or CalScout.
First of all...what does RND have to do with this?
Secondly, I don't expect him to fight toe-to-toe. I wouldn't fight toe to toe vs a heavy with a 700hp assault suit.
I don't feel like anyone is actually reading. What do you think my point is in this thread?
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
6208
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:18:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best.
QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots.
Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP.
"abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa
ps- Have a like. +1 If you read my post, you'll notice that I wrote that it wasn't a dig at you. It's a dig at how ridiculous the cloak is. You can practically be invisible for the entire match. I hate the cooldown mechanic of cloak. You just happened to be the person one taking advantage of the cloak in the video. But since you brought it up, we can explore it. I mean, seriously you don't need a lot of health when the enemy can't see you and you essentially OHK them in the back. It isn't like you intended on having gun fights. It also may not be fair to say that they didn't have their eyes open because you were hiding behnd the objective and popped out when they were hacking objectives and recloaked and hid again. Other times you stood still where they wouldn't have seen a shimmer. And there was a time where you hid behind the barriers on A which I didn't even know you could do :). But I reiterate, this wasn't about you but how often one can remain cloaked for an entire game. The cooldown mechanic on the cloak is a joke.
No, it was a dig at me for playing me role as well.
I have been a scout for over a year. I've knifed you plenty of times before cloaks existed. I've known how to survive on the battlefield before the stupid mechanic existed. There are many many places I can go that people probably have no idea that you can go. We used to have to be invisible without the cloak. Trust me if this stupid cloak never existed I'd be pretty happy because I'd have less pathetic excuse for scouts in my role.
And you're right, I had no intention of getting in 1v1 gunfights because I don't need to. Being a scout isn't about announcing your presence and honor 1v1ing. It's about cunning, positioning, movement, and most importantly ASSASSINATION. You see me when I want you to see me.
What you see is a Min scout playing the role as intended. I really want to say quit crying and run the proper fit but people won't. They'll cry instead of running counters because they want to be slayers instead of scouts.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3249
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:19:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:
Cloak is fine. These tears are the joke.
Cloakheads..smh
What I do find funny about guys protecting the cloak is that you would say that all you have to do is look and that they are easy to spot. If they're so easy to spot, you would have to be an idiot to use it. I mean, why fit something that's ineffective? Especially something that uses up so much pg/cpu.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3249
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:30:00 -
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ODoCyrius Li-Moody wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best.
QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots.
Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP.
"abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa
ps- Have a like. +1 If you read my post, you'll notice that I wrote that it wasn't a dig at you. It's a dig at how ridiculous the cloak is. You can practically be invisible for the entire match. I hate the cooldown mechanic of cloak. You just happened to be the person one taking advantage of the cloak in the video. But since you brought it up, we can explore it. I mean, seriously you don't need a lot of health when the enemy can't see you and you essentially OHK them in the back. It isn't like you intended on having gun fights. It also may not be fair to say that they didn't have their eyes open because you were hiding behnd the objective and popped out when they were hacking objectives and recloaked and hid again. Other times you stood still where they wouldn't have seen a shimmer. And there was a time where you hid behind the barriers on A which I didn't even know you could do :). But I reiterate, this wasn't about you but how often one can remain cloaked for an entire game. The cooldown mechanic on the cloak is a joke. No, it was a dig at me for playing me role as well. I have been a scout for over a year. I've knifed you plenty of times before cloaks existed. I've known how to survive on the battlefield before the stupid mechanic existed. There are many many places I can go that people probably have no idea that you can go. We used to have to be invisible without the cloak. Trust me if this stupid cloak never existed I'd be pretty happy because I'd have less pathetic excuse for scouts in my role. And you're right, I had no intention of getting in 1v1 gunfights because I don't need to. Being a scout isn't about announcing your presence and honor 1v1ing. It's about cunning, positioning, movement, and most importantly ASSASSINATION. You see me when I want you to see me. What you see is a Min scout playing the role as intended. I really want to say quit crying and run the proper fit but people won't. They'll cry instead of running counters because they want to be slayers instead of scouts.
It wasn't a dig at you lol.....you're just taking it personal. I didn't even say anything other than cloaks being able to allow players to be more invisible than visible for a match. Which is a stupid mechanic to have for competitive matches.
And cut that whole knifing me "plenty of times" jive out. I've rarely been nova knived in my dust career. I'm not saying it is really hard to knife me but it's just something that hasn't happened to me like that. If you knifed me plenty of times, I would have remembered you....and I've only come to know of you in OH, post cloak era.
Edit: and that might be what scout means to you but being a scout is supposed to be about recon. But players do what they see fit. And this isn't about scouts...this is about cloaks. You guys are trying to twist and turn **** for whatever personal reasons. But the bottom line is, this is about cloaks and the ability to be invisible for long periods of time. The cloak cooldown should act like vehicle module cooldowns. Once you activate and deactivate, you should wait some time before you can use it again. Otherwise it gets spammed like you've shown in the video.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:32:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:
Cloak is fine. These tears are the joke.
Cloakheads..smh What I do find funny about guys protecting the cloak is that you would say that all you have to do is look and that they are easy to spot. If they're so easy to spot, you would have to be an idiot to use it. I mean, why fit something that's ineffective? Especially something that uses up so much pg/cpu.
Low Profile "Stealth" units are easily countered by High Precision "Recon" units. If there had been one CalScout or GalLogi at Alpha, these tears would not exist.
Shoot scout with yes...
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
6211
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:32:00 -
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Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally.
I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often.
Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3249
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:42:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally.
I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often.
Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining.
"Plenty of times" means that I would have remembered. Getting nova knifed isn't like getting shot with an AR. You knew my min logi suit..congrats. You're better off saying that you shot me plenty of times.....nova knived? You're just lying now
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
6213
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Posted - 2014.07.14 12:54:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally.
I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often.
Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining. "Plenty of times" means that I would have remembered. Getting nova knifed isn't like getting shot with an AR. You knew my min logi suit..congrats. You're better off saying that you shot me plenty of times.....nova knived? You're just lying now
Whatever keeps your ego intact.
Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
3249
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:08:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally.
I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often.
Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining. "Plenty of times" means that I would have remembered. Getting nova knifed isn't like getting shot with an AR. You knew my min logi suit..congrats. You're better off saying that you shot me plenty of times.....nova knived? You're just lying now Whatever keeps your ego intact.
I shall actually say the same to you.
Edit: the fact that you knew my suit probably means that you've been on the wrong end of my gun more often times than not.
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4463
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Posted - 2014.07.14 13:41:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally.
I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often.
Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining.
While I do indeed support your assessment of "run counter fits" as an answer to complaints about cloaking and, really just about everything, I also believe you are being kind of a whiny punk about all of this. He is complaining about a gameplay function, not you. You just happened to provide the best example of the gameplay in question he does not like, so he used you as an example. If you were of a right mind you would be taking that as a compliment instead of an insult, and then you could move on to defend the game mechanic in question logically.
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hfderrtgvcd
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
137
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:32:00 -
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To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. However, I don't think there was anything wrong about his playstyle. The majority of his nova knife kills were people hacking and people not checking their six. His fit is slow, has low health, and is terrible in 1v1s. The only problem I see is that it is too easy to just stand still in the open and wait for people to turn around. |
Leadfoot10
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
1181
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Posted - 2014.07.14 14:53:00 -
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hfderrtgvcd wrote:To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit.
Are you sure? I believe the only unscannable suit in the game is a cloaked 4 profile dampened Gal Scout and everything else is caught with 3 precision enhanced Cal Scout. |
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