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Everything Dies
BIKINI BOTTOM BRIGADE
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:32:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:I remember playing a pub and this guy cloaked and ran into a corner. I couldn't find him for ****. So, I just waited around until his **** ran out and deactivated. He probably thought I wouldn't wait but fugg that. It isn't as easy to see....and I don't have much issue with that. But how it can easily be spammed is an issue.
Part of the problem is the lighting (or lack thereof) in some of the maps; when I play point defense with my heavy, I have no trouble making out cloaked scouts so long as the area/room is well-lit. Same map/room but with darker lighting? Much more difficult. Had an occasion today where I didn't even notice the scout until I say my target reticule change to red. Killed him, but that was because he didn't nail me straight-on with his shotgun blasts.
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Ydubbs81 RND
Ahrendee Mercenaries
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Posted - 2014.07.14 18:53:00 -
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CHANCEtheChAn wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7cNow, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Honestly Y dubbs, this is a very very poor excuse of an example video Moody has been running min scout for over a year And Nova knives for longer 95% of scouts do not use Nova knives, and even of that, 85% of scouts do not run min scout that get a bonus to them If he had been basically any other cloaked scout, it wwould have taken him 4-8 seconds to kill those heavies and scout on the bridge with a shotgun, in which time he would have died easily On the flip side, if he had been using any other sidearm/primary it might have been longer and he would have been mowed down He used a niche weapon, in a niche suit, with niche modules Not many people can run around with 400 health and still go 17-7 By being as invisible as he was with a proto cloak and 3/2 damps, Moody is sacrificing hundreds of CPU/PG just to be invisible He is effectively losing a proto weapon, proto grenades, and sacrificing 400+ armor/ hacking ability/ run ability to make this fit work If he is running E war to evade everyone, why shouldn't he be able to evade, well, everyone? The cloak give many negative benefits to counter the positives Such as not being able to hear anything around you (Moody cloaked up behind the point at A and died to an orbital because he did not hear it drop), its useless if you don't have the damps to back it up, and the high CPU/PG limits your whole suit Anything below a proto cloak is basically trash, so Moody is sacrificing elsewhere to use the very best cloack there is, so why not be able to cloak up and cloak out repeatedly? If it was advanced or basic cloak, yes I would understand the QQ But fitting a proto and QQing? Eh
You guys are making this about Moody and minmatar scouts, etc. The issue is with the cloak and the cloak only. Players shouldn't be able to be invisible like that for an entire match. There should be a an immediate cooldown each time you use the cloak.
Imagine the scanner without a cooldown time? Last build we all abused the scanner and spamming it constantly. The cloak needs the same cooldown mechanic.
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.14 20:18:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote: You guys are making this about Moody and minmatar scouts, etc. The issue is with the cloak and the cloak only. Players shouldn't be able to be invisible like that for an entire match. There should be a an immediate cooldown each time you use the cloak.
Imagine the scanner without a cooldown time? Last build we all abused the scanner and spamming it constantly. The cloak needs the same cooldown mechanic.
It doesn't matter if it's a proto cloak...cause when the gameplay turns into cloak, hide, OHK while he's hacking or back is turned..cloak, rinse and repeat....you don't need health.
No way, bro. You're wrong ... likely time to let it go.
Moody isn't "cloaked the entire match" nor could he have been if he'd wanted to be. Moody is readily countered; Minmatar Scouts are easy to scan (unlike GalScouts). Moody is a top-tier Scout; check the Leaderboards and see for yourself.
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hfderrtgvcd
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.14 20:27:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote: You guys are making this about Moody and minmatar scouts, etc. The issue is with the cloak and the cloak only. Players shouldn't be able to be invisible like that for an entire match. There should be a an immediate cooldown each time you use the cloak.
Imagine the scanner without a cooldown time? Last build we all abused the scanner and spamming it constantly. The cloak needs the same cooldown mechanic.
It doesn't matter if it's a proto cloak...cause when the gameplay turns into cloak, hide, OHK while he's hacking or back is turned..cloak, rinse and repeat....you don't need health.
No way, bro. You're wrong ... likely time to let it go. Moody isn't "cloaked the entire match" nor could he have been if he'd wanted to be. Moody is readily countered; Minmatar Scouts are easy to scan (unlike GalScouts). Moody is a top-tier Scout; check the Leaderboards and see for yourself. He was cloaked for the majority of the game. His suit is also unscannable. I fail to see what being a top tier scout has to do with easily abusable and poor cloaking mechanics. |
CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:14:00 -
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Leadfoot10 wrote:hfderrtgvcd wrote:To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. Are you sure? I believe the only unscannable suit in the game is a cloaked 4 profile dampened Gal Scout and everything else is caught with 3 precision enhanced Cal Scout. yes i believe you are correct because when i have my ewar scout in my squad i can see him.
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:23:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best.
QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots.
Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP.
"abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa
ps- Have a like. +1
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PoP SoTa
Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:25:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best.
QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots.
Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP.
"abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa
ps- Have a like. +1 You need to get laid bro. #RealTalks #TalksAboutSexOnGamingForum
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:28:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote: You need to get laid bro.
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Shoot scout with yes...
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:31:00 -
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PoP SoTa wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best.
QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots.
Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP.
"abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa
ps- Have a like. +1 You need to get laid bro. #RealTalks #TalksAboutSexOnGamingForum #KDR=Sex
Just trying to help a bro out .
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.07.14 21:48:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:PoP SoTa wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best.
QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots.
Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP.
"abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa
ps- Have a like. +1 You need to get laid bro. #RealTalks #TalksAboutSexOnGamingForum #KDR=Sex Just trying to help a bro out .
Hahaha. I've a very healthy sex life actually.
Just ask your mom.
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ReGnYuM
Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:01:00 -
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Oh no!? my internet persona is melting....
No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back.
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Hynox Xitio
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:11:00 -
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Thats the best response to Oh winning I've heard yet.
"lol at least we get laid!"
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
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Posted - 2014.07.14 22:20:00 -
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ReGnYuM wrote:Oh no!? my internet persona is melting....
No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back.
I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds.
If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all.
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HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance
5109
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Posted - 2014.07.15 01:36:00 -
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Getting an alpha shot while being cloaked is wrong. And was supposed to be fixed.
Good scouts don't need this crutch, and this game certianley doesn't need the cheapness that comes with a cloaked alpha shot.
Scouts would be fine otherwise,
what's amazing to me is how much effort has gone Into the scout suits with each patch, because they are broken? |
Atiim
Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire.
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Posted - 2014.07.15 01:57:00 -
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I remember when Scouts were difficult.
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Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:10:00 -
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Atiim wrote:I remember when Scouts were difficult.
I believe I recently reminded someone about this.
"When scouts couldn't scan eachother, and fighting another scout was like having a boxing match in the dark. Back when being a PC scout was a badge of f*cking honor"
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Morathi III
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:13:00 -
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has a scout since close beta im agreeing with the fact assault need buff and the scanner need to be like it was for cooldown otheer addition: need a footstep noise adjusting from your DB while running increase noise
will see with addition in hotfix charlie but now ... i though scout are OP in skirmish mode not by much but my idea can fix that pretty sure |
Ghost Kaisar
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:13:00 -
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HowDidThatTaste wrote:Getting an alpha shot while being cloaked is wrong. And was supposed to be fixed.
Good scouts don't need this crutch, and this game certianley doesn't need the cheapness that comes with a cloaked alpha shot.
Scouts would be fine otherwise,
what's amazing to me is how much effort has gone Into the scout suits with each patch, because they are broken?
They've always been broken.
Either OP or useless. I want equilibrium.
I want a PC world where you won't be trumped by another player because "Their suit is simply better". A place where a good scout has equal standing with a good logi, heavy, assault, or commando.
A place where your skill with the suit is more important than just "Well scanning/HMG/shotgun+cloak/etc is just OP, so it won't hurt to bring you on" and then passing up the Amarr/Min Scout who is very good at his job.
It is my dream to see this game at that stage.
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
298
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:32:00 -
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How did they not see that guy? Good work Moody. Quite impressive |
Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:33:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Oh no!? my internet persona is melting....
No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all.
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Morathi III
Pro Hic Immortalis
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:51:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Oh no!? my internet persona is melting....
No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. lol Cyrius you can be pretty bad with woman just being bartender and having a pretty face did the job instead of anykind of skil dont lie ... , its like pretending you were good with a cal logi core nade and tac AR at beginning of uprising |
Chuckles Brown
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Posted - 2014.07.15 03:56:00 -
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Mikey Ducati wrote:How did they not see that guy? Good work Moody. Quite impressive
First, this video demonstrates just how invisible the cloak can and will make you.
Now, mix in the lag factor, and ever guess wheel of glitches that PC play has to offer and there you have a recipe for a scrubs to succeed uses FoTM crutches.
Scouts have only counters in this game. Another Scout (Ck.0) or a Gal Logi with their scanner. But as we all know, Scouts eat logis alive in this build.
Moody makes it look easy, but at the same time he's getting A LOT of help from CCP. When Scout 514 gets the nerf hammer and whatever else takes its place, he'll go back to where he was before... mediocre but having actual fun.
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Mikey Ducati
Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation
302
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:09:00 -
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Chuckles Brown wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:How did they not see that guy? Good work Moody. Quite impressive First, this video demonstrates just how invisible the cloak can and will make you. Now, mix in the lag factor, and ever guess wheel of glitches that PC play has to offer and there you have a recipe for a scrubs to succeed uses FoTM crutches. Scouts have only 2 counters in this game. Another Scout (Ck.0) or a Gal Logi with their scanner. But as we all know, Scouts eat logis alive in this build. And even if you do see them. All their core skills are superior to anything else in the game right now. The team with the most scouts in PC, wins. Moody makes it look easy, but at the same time he's getting A LOT of help from CCP. When Scout 514 gets the nerf hammer and whatever else takes its place, he'll go back to where he was before... mediocre but having actual fun. Its very sad to see what used to be one of the top scouts in the game resorting to diving off the deep end of FoTM instead of just using the skill he already had from years of practice, prior. I remember Moody saying "I don't think I'll ever use the cloak. I already have my own method of playing with out it..." Now he spends less than 60 total seconds a match uncloaked. High alpha weapons + scout = win. Every FPS on the planet follows that formula. Stealth and firepower trump all.
So basically you're saying because of lag and glitches, people were not able to see a predator like camo on their screen?
That they didn't use any comms to say "watch out by alpha, there's a cloaked scout somewhere around there?"
I can see cloaked scouts as clear as day on my screen. The only time I do not is when I'm not paying attention. |
HowDidThatTaste
Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:24:00 -
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I suppose it is just scouts who are defending this crap mechanic. I love how the defense is " open your eyes scrub, they aren't really invisible"
This line will have to go down in dusts history as one of the funniest ones used to defend a scrub mechanic.
Playing a heavy I deal with it all day every game, I don't care that you can sneak up on me. great job!
I don't care that you can cloak and hop over a box or sprint away. You better run!
I don't care that two scouts can mess a heavies day up, when one entertains me from the front while the other one decloaks behind me. Working as intended.
But no one hear can say that getting a free shot from a cloaked position is good for the game. |
Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
6262
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:40:00 -
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Bring the tears! THE TASTY TEARS
Also considering most of ERA are shotgun scouts you really have very little to cry about 8213.
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
11856
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Posted - 2014.07.15 04:43:00 -
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Ydubbs81 RND wrote:True Adamance wrote:Ydubbs81 RND wrote:http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7cNow, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Cyrius Li Moody best Min scout in the game besides Mr Mustard ERA blind...... So, what you're saying is that you would be able to do better and be able to spot him? That your situational awareness is even better than Espeon's? Cause I saw Espeon standing near him and he didn't know he was there either.
Pfff that's not what I said at all.
I mean damn I wear glasses I actually have terrible vision.....but the fact you failed, admittedly facing PC lag, and several times with a Sentinel either means you are blind or Cyrius is very good at his job.
Either way my point stands.
C'mon guys we all just have to realise we are a bunch of nerds arguing about a goddamn video game.....
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Cyrius Li-Moody
0uter.Heaven
6266
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Posted - 2014.07.15 05:24:00 -
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Morathi III wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Oh no!? my internet persona is melting....
No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. lol Cyrius you can be pretty bad with woman just being bartender and having a pretty face did the job instead of anykind of skil dont lie ... , its like pretending you were good with a cal logi core nade and tac AR at beginning of uprising
Aww. You think I'm pretty. :3
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CHANCEtheChAn
0uter.Heaven
513
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Posted - 2014.07.15 08:44:00 -
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Chuckles Brown wrote:Mikey Ducati wrote:How did they not see that guy? Good work Moody. Quite impressive First, this video demonstrates just how invisible the cloak can and will make you. Now, mix in the lag factor, and ever guess wheel of glitches that PC play has to offer and there you have a recipe for a scrubs to succeed uses FoTM crutches. Scouts have only 2 counters in this game. Another Scout (Ck.0) or a Gal Logi with their scanner. But as we all know, Scouts eat logis alive in this build. And even if you do see them. All their core skills are superior to anything else in the game right now. The team with the most scouts in PC, wins. Moody makes it look easy, but at the same time he's getting A LOT of help from CCP. When Scout 514 gets the nerf hammer and whatever else takes its place, he'll go back to where he was before... mediocre but having actual fun. Its very sad to see what used to be one of the top scouts in the game resorting to diving off the deep end of FoTM instead of just using the skill he already had from years of practice, prior. I remember Moody saying "I don't think I'll ever use the cloak. I already have my own method of playing with out it..." Now he spends less than 60 total seconds a match uncloaked. High alpha weapons + scout = win. Every FPS on the planet follows that formula. Stealth and firepower trump all.
So basically your saying that, since he is using Nova knives, a high skill weapon with maybe 1 meter of range, and a proto cloak that he had to sacrifice out a proto primary weapon to fit on his suit, he trumps all?
Im sorry
I think you women are confusing DUST with Cod or BF
With 400 health, you could tap a HMG and obliterate him
That's half a second of a viziam scrambler
That's less than 1 second of DPS to basically every primary rifle in the game
Considering he was going 1 vs 3/4 most of the battle, either they had terrible aim
Or Moody is just that good
Give him some damn credit geez
Hit detection is basically fixed
When lag hits, everyone lags, not just set people anymore
There are no excuses anymore
Get gud or get off the ground
I mean, he could have made it 10x worse by running a shotgun on his fit and going around 2 shotting everyone like most damped scouts do
But Moody has much more honor than that
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CUSE TOWN333
KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION
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Posted - 2014.07.15 08:57:00 -
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i think the problem stems from a good player in a invisible damp scout suit is kind of OP. no one is complaining about cloaked scrub scouts. but i know the day i seen lightning in a pub when the cloak first came out i said to myself this will be a scary FOTM a good slayer thats invisible.
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SgtNONECK WASSSUP
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
118
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Posted - 2014.07.15 09:18:00 -
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Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:Morathi III wrote:Cyrius Li-Moody wrote:ReGnYuM wrote:Oh no!? my internet persona is melting....
No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. lol Cyrius you can be pretty bad with woman just being bartender and having a pretty face did the job instead of anykind of skil dont lie ... , its like pretending you were good with a cal logi core nade and tac AR at beginning of uprising Aww. You think I'm pretty. :3
I think ur pretty ;p
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