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Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3247	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:33:00 - [1] - Quote http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. > Check RND out here
Hakyou Brutor D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 875	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:34:00 - [2] - Quote Easy fix: Run precision enhancers.
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers 978	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:35:00 - [3] - Quote I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3247	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:38:00 - [4] - Quote Hakyou Brutor wrote: Easy fix: Run precision enhancers. You really think so? > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3247	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:41:00 - [5] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given. But the scout suit isn't the issue at hand.....it's the cloak > Check RND out here
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 2093	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:45:00 - [6] - Quote Fiddlestaxp wrote: I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given. Thanks fiddle, I appreciate it :) I'm a **** bootleg scout though, not even gonna lie. MnM are the true scouts (Moody, Nega, Musturd) But dubbs, I see what you're saying but maybe you forgot how much PC lags, everything is just so much more sluggish in PC than pubs for some reason I cannot fathom it might just be a graphical issue I'm not really sure, cloaks are honestly not so much of a problem, it really isn't hard to notice if you're vigilant and Hakyou is right, precision fit hunter scouts truly solves the problem IMO The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven**
Fiddlestaxp TeamPlayers 979	Posted - 2014.07.14 04:46:00 - [7] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given. But the scout suit isn't the issue at hand.....it's the cloak Real issue is the north atlantic islanders running the show. Cloak is just a symptom.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11826	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:02:00 - [8] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Cyrius Li Moody best Min scout in the game besides Mr Mustard ERA blind...... "I guess this is goodbye for now Little One. This is how you will become one of us, one of the Amarr." - Kador Ouryon
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3247	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:03:00 - [9] - Quote 1st Lieutenant Tiberius wrote: Fiddlestaxp wrote: I give OH credit because they were scout addicts before it was FOTM and they stuck around. End of credit being given. Thanks fiddle, I appreciate it :) I'm a ****** bootleg scout though, not even gonna lie. MnM are the true scouts (Moody, Nega, Musturd) But dubbs, I see what you're saying but maybe you forgot how much PC lags, everything is just so much more sluggish in PC than pubs for some reason I cannot fathom it might just be a graphical issue I'm not really sure, cloaks are honestly not so much of a problem, it really isn't hard to notice if you're vigilant and Hakyou is right, precision fit hunter scouts truly solves the problem IMO There was a point where they were looking for the guy lol and couldn't find him because he stood still between the opening on the objective. At one point, he even went behind boundaries...no way could they have spotted him back there. I remember testing precision enhancers vs dampeners. And I remember not being able to see a gal scout with one dampener and a cloak no matter how many enhancers I had. So, I'm under the impression that precision modules' has a limit to low they can scan. > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3247	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:04:00 - [10] - Quote True Adamance wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Cyrius Li Moody best Min scout in the game besides Mr Mustard ERA blind...... So, what you're saying is that you would be able to do better and be able to spot him? That your situational awareness is even better than Espeon's? Cause I saw Espeon standing near him and he didn't know he was there either. > Check RND out here

Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6195	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:14:00 - [11] - Quote Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best. QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exists. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Hakyou Brutor D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 876	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:33:00 - [12] - Quote In all honesty, how blind is the heavy at 2:40? Not only did he sit cloaked right in front of him, but when Moody killed the hacker, the heavy looked right at the A computer, where Moody was standing, uncloaked... and yet, he still didn't "see" him?
Brokerib Lone Wolves Club 1642	Posted - 2014.07.14 05:53:00 - [13] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Not sure what the problem is? He used the cloak a lot, but it was only really a factor in a small amount of situations. Most of it was positioning and using passive scans to beat direct vision. Time to invest in a proto Gal logi? Would wreak havok on a limited battlefield like the bridge. Knowledge is power
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 844	Posted - 2014.07.14 06:48:00 - [14] - Quote you have to put one full ewar caldari scan scout in your squad so the rest of your squad can see them on the radar KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3249	Posted - 2014.07.14 09:00:00 - [15] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best. QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots. Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP. "abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa ps- Have a like. +1 If you read my post, you'll notice that I wrote that it wasn't a dig at you. It's a dig at how ridiculous the cloak is. You can practically be invisible for the entire match. I hate the cooldown mechanic of cloak. You just happened to be the person one taking advantage of the cloak in the video. But since you brought it up, we can explore it. I mean, seriously you don't need a lot of health when the enemy can't see you and you essentially OHK them in the back. It isn't like you intended on having gun fights. It also may not be fair to say that they didn't have their eyes open because you were hiding behnd the objective and popped out when they were hacking objectives and recloaked and hid again. Other times you stood still where they wouldn't have seen a shimmer. And there was a time where you hid behind the barriers on A which I didn't even know you could do :). But I reiterate, this wasn't about you but how often one can remain cloaked for an entire game. The cooldown mechanic on the cloak is a joke. > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3249	Posted - 2014.07.14 09:01:00 - [16] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: you have to put one full ewar caldari scan scout in your squad so the rest of your squad can see them on the radar With the stacking penalties, I don't think that you can pick up a deepened, damped and cloaked scout. > Check RND out here
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 844	Posted - 2014.07.14 10:14:00 - [17] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: CUSE TOWN333 wrote: you have to put one full ewar caldari scan scout in your squad so the rest of your squad can see them on the radar With the stacking penalties, I don't think that you can pick up a deepened, damped and cloaked scout. most of there scouts aren't full damped like putting all damps in there low slots. i tested it and it made it easyer for my heavy to see moody and mr mustard trying to sneak up on my heavy. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2728	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:06:00 - [18] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: There was a point where they were looking for the guy lol and couldn't find him because he stood still between the opening on the objective. At one point, he even went behind boundaries...no way could they have spotted him back there. Moody's running around a quarter of your nearest Heavy's HP and has a lifespan less than a half second when spotted. Being tough to see is the point; you can't possibly expect him to fight toe-to-toe. Plus you're totally wrong ... RND could've shut him down with a single GalLogi or CalScout. Cloak is fine. These tears are the joke. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3249	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:12:00 - [19] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: There was a point where they were looking for the guy lol and couldn't find him because he stood still between the opening on the objective. At one point, he even went behind boundaries...no way could they have spotted him back there. Moody's running around a quarter of your nearest Heavy's HP and has a lifespan less than a half second when spotted. Being tough to see is the point; you can't possibly expect him to fight toe-to-toe. Plus you're totally wrong ... RND could've shut him down with a single GalLogi or CalScout. First of all...what does RND have to do with this? Secondly, I don't expect him to fight toe-to-toe. I wouldn't fight toe to toe vs a heavy with a 700hp assault suit. I don't feel like anyone is actually reading. What do you think my point is in this thread? > Check RND out here
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6208	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:18:00 - [20] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best. QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots. Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP. "abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa ps- Have a like. +1 If you read my post, you'll notice that I wrote that it wasn't a dig at you. It's a dig at how ridiculous the cloak is. You can practically be invisible for the entire match. I hate the cooldown mechanic of cloak. You just happened to be the person one taking advantage of the cloak in the video. But since you brought it up, we can explore it. I mean, seriously you don't need a lot of health when the enemy can't see you and you essentially OHK them in the back. It isn't like you intended on having gun fights. It also may not be fair to say that they didn't have their eyes open because you were hiding behnd the objective and popped out when they were hacking objectives and recloaked and hid again. Other times you stood still where they wouldn't have seen a shimmer. And there was a time where you hid behind the barriers on A which I didn't even know you could do :). But I reiterate, this wasn't about you but how often one can remain cloaked for an entire game. The cooldown mechanic on the cloak is a joke. No, it was a dig at me for playing me role as well. I have been a scout for over a year. I've knifed you plenty of times before cloaks existed. I've known how to survive on the battlefield before the stupid mechanic existed. There are many many places I can go that people probably have no idea that you can go. We used to have to be invisible without the cloak. Trust me if this stupid cloak never existed I'd be pretty happy because I'd have less pathetic excuse for scouts in my role. And you're right, I had no intention of getting in 1v1 gunfights because I don't need to. Being a scout isn't about announcing your presence and honor 1v1ing. It's about cunning, positioning, movement, and most importantly ASSASSINATION. You see me when I want you to see me. What you see is a Min scout playing the role as intended. I really want to say quit crying and run the proper fit but people won't. They'll cry instead of running counters because they want to be slayers instead of scouts. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3249	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:19:00 - [21] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cloak is fine. These tears are the joke. Cloakheads..smh What I do find funny about guys protecting the cloak is that you would say that all you have to do is look and that they are easy to spot. If they're so easy to spot, you would have to be an idiot to use it. I mean, why fit something that's ineffective? Especially something that uses up so much pg/cpu. > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3249	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:30:00 - [22] - Quote ODo Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best. QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots. Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP. "abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa ps- Have a like. +1 If you read my post, you'll notice that I wrote that it wasn't a dig at you. It's a dig at how ridiculous the cloak is. You can practically be invisible for the entire match. I hate the cooldown mechanic of cloak. You just happened to be the person one taking advantage of the cloak in the video. But since you brought it up, we can explore it. I mean, seriously you don't need a lot of health when the enemy can't see you and you essentially OHK them in the back. It isn't like you intended on having gun fights. It also may not be fair to say that they didn't have their eyes open because you were hiding behnd the objective and popped out when they were hacking objectives and recloaked and hid again. Other times you stood still where they wouldn't have seen a shimmer. And there was a time where you hid behind the barriers on A which I didn't even know you could do :). But I reiterate, this wasn't about you but how often one can remain cloaked for an entire game. The cooldown mechanic on the cloak is a joke. No, it was a dig at me for playing me role as well. I have been a scout for over a year. I've knifed you plenty of times before cloaks existed. I've known how to survive on the battlefield before the stupid mechanic existed. There are many many places I can go that people probably have no idea that you can go. We used to have to be invisible without the cloak. Trust me if this stupid cloak never existed I'd be pretty happy because I'd have less pathetic excuse for scouts in my role. And you're right, I had no intention of getting in 1v1 gunfights because I don't need to. Being a scout isn't about announcing your presence and honor 1v1ing. It's about cunning, positioning, movement, and most importantly ASSASSINATION. You see me when I want you to see me. What you see is a Min scout playing the role as intended. I really want to say quit crying and run the proper fit but people won't. They'll cry instead of running counters because they want to be slayers instead of scouts. It wasn't a dig at you lol.....you're just taking it personal. I didn't even say anything other than cloaks being able to allow players to be more invisible than visible for a match. Which is a stupid mechanic to have for competitive matches. And cut that whole knifing me "plenty of times" jive out. I've rarely been nova knived in my dust career. I'm not saying it is really hard to knife me but it's just something that hasn't happened to me like that. If you knifed me plenty of times, I would have remembered you....and I've only come to know of you in OH, post cloak era. Edit: and that might be what scout means to you but being a scout is supposed to be about recon. But players do what they see fit. And this isn't about scouts...this is about cloaks. You guys are trying to twist and turn **** for whatever personal reasons. But the bottom line is, this is about cloaks and the ability to be invisible for long periods of time. The cloak cooldown should act like vehicle module cooldowns. Once you activate and deactivate, you should wait some time before you can use it again. Otherwise it gets spammed like you've shown in the video. > Check RND out here
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2728	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:32:00 - [23] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Cloak is fine. These tears are the joke. Cloakheads..smh What I do find funny about guys protecting the cloak is that you would say that all you have to do is look and that they are easy to spot. If they're so easy to spot, you would have to be an idiot to use it. I mean, why fit something that's ineffective? Especially something that uses up so much pg/cpu. Low Profile "Stealth" units are easily countered by High Precision "Recon" units. If there had been one CalScout or GalLogi at Alpha, these tears would not exist. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6211	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:32:00 - [24] - Quote Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally. I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often. Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3249	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:42:00 - [25] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally. I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often. Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining. "Plenty of times" means that I would have remembered. Getting nova knifed isn't like getting shot with an AR. You knew my min logi suit..congrats. You're better off saying that you shot me plenty of times.....nova knived? You're just lying now > Check RND out here
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6213	Posted - 2014.07.14 12:54:00 - [26] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally. I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often. Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining. "Plenty of times" means that I would have remembered. Getting nova knifed isn't like getting shot with an AR. You knew my min logi suit..congrats. You're better off saying that you shot me plenty of times.....nova knived? You're just lying now Whatever keeps your ego intact. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3249	Posted - 2014.07.14 13:08:00 - [27] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally. I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often. Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining. "Plenty of times" means that I would have remembered. Getting nova knifed isn't like getting shot with an AR. You knew my min logi suit..congrats. You're better off saying that you shot me plenty of times.....nova knived? You're just lying now Whatever keeps your ego intact. I shall actually say the same to you. Edit: the fact that you knew my suit probably means that you've been on the wrong end of my gun more often times than not. > Check RND out here
Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4463	Posted - 2014.07.14 13:41:00 - [28] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally. I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often. Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining. While I do indeed support your assessment of "run counter fits" as an answer to complaints about cloaking and, really just about everything, I also believe you are being kind of a whiny punk about all of this. He is complaining about a gameplay function, not you. You just happened to provide the best example of the gameplay in question he does not like, so he used you as an example. If you were of a right mind you would be taking that as a compliment instead of an insult, and then you could move on to defend the game mechanic in question logically. But really, tuck those feels back where they belong.
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:32:00 - [29] - Quote To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. However, I don't think there was anything wrong about his playstyle. The majority of his nova knife kills were people hacking and people not checking their six. His fit is slow, has low health, and is terrible in 1v1s. The only problem I see is that it is too easy to just stand still in the open and wait for people to turn around.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1181	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:53:00 - [30] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. Are you sure? I believe the only unscannable suit in the game is a cloaked 4 profile dampened Gal Scout and everything else is caught with 3 precision enhanced Cal Scout.

Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1181	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:54:00 - [31] - Quote p.s. I agree wholeheartedly with the premise of this thread -- the cooldown mechanic/period of the cloak is messed up. It should work like the active modules in vehicles and have a longer cooldown, IMO. p.s.s. I wear my nova knife scars from Moody as a badge of honor. lol
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6217	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:55:00 - [32] - Quote I can be scanned the second I step out of my cloak. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1181	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:56:00 - [33] - Quote Moody, you sure a 4 precision enhanced cal scout can't see you while cloaked?
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6217	Posted - 2014.07.14 14:58:00 - [34] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Moody, you sure a 4 precision enhanced cal scout can't see you while cloaked? Mmmm it might. My DB level is in the 14.something db area while the cal's precision is in the 14.something db area. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1181	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:04:00 - [35] - Quote Thx, will have to play around. I'll tell you this for sure, I've never seen anyone outside a Gal Scout get under that suit's scans, but I only run it occasionally.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6217	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:08:00 - [36] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: Thx, will have to play around. I'll tell you this for sure, I've never seen anyone outside a Gal Scout get under that suit's scans, but I only run it occasionally. Yup. I pull out my 4 precision fit every now and again. You're instadead to everything but it's not like your job in that suit is to do killing. Not many people like to put their KD aside for the good of the team. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:09:00 - [37] - Quote take a look at this table leadfoot https://13919baa44a2003fcdf76e6cfb80cd72b63f4884.googledrive.com/host/0B_YSJ6FRJlihQjFXdzdNYU5MQWM/alpha.html
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1182	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:11:00 - [38] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: Thx, will have to play around. I'll tell you this for sure, I've never seen anyone outside a Gal Scout get under that suit's scans, but I only run it occasionally. Yup. I pull out my 4 precision fit every now and again. You're instadead to everything but it's not like your job in that suit is to do killing. Not many people like to put their KD aside for the good of the team. I'm not many people, and I have screenshots (and a poor KDR) to prove it. :)
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1182	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:12:00 - [39] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: take a look at this table leadfoot https://13919baa44a2003fcdf76e6cfb80cd72b63f4884.googledrive.com/host/0B_YSJ6FRJlihQjFXdzdNYU5MQWM/alpha.html Thx bro. Haerr, the author of this, is in ML. I'm fairly certain it is outdated and includes bad information, but I'm not 100% sure -- I thought Hawkin posted about this on the forum. Regardless, I will play around if FW when I get a chance (likely next weekend) and let you all know.
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:19:00 - [40] - Quote I think it should be fine. No changes have been made to scanning or profile since alpha which was when haerr updated the table.

Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3250	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:26:00 - [41] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. However, I don't think there was anything wrong about his playstyle. The majority of his nova knife kills were people hacking and people not checking their six. His fit is slow, has low health, and is terrible in 1v1s. The only problem I see is that it is too easy to just stand still in the open and wait for people to turn around. I was also saying that as well....you can't counter that fit with precision enhancers. You won't be able to pick it up. > Check RND out here
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5444	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:26:00 - [42] - Quote Cloak is not fine, its just ridiculous and ignorant to say something like that, the first nerf to the Cloak was a step in the right direction, but what would completely balance it is to force the player to manually deactivate the cloak before switching weapons, then all will be well in 'Competitive' land. Until then the Cloak is not fine. Everything else about it is fine, the visibility (Honestly, there were moments in this video where I face desked at the stupidity of some of ERA's 'A-Team' players, even when standing still a Cloak is easy enough to spot for an experienced player, and even then, you get a red crosshair when you move over one) I'm free! /o/
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3250	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:29:00 - [43] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. Are you sure? I believe the only unscannable suit in the game is a cloaked 4 profile dampened Gal Scout and everything else is caught with 3 precision enhanced Cal Scout. There is no fit that can pick up a cloaked gal scout with 1 profile dampener. I tested it with a friend in FW. The moment he cloaked, I could no longer pick him up with 4 precision enhancers on my cal proto suit! > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3250	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:34:00 - [44] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: I can be scanned the second I step out of my cloak. Also I don't care if I've been killed by you which has happened. That doesn't bother me and I'm not at all bothered to admit it. Who the hell cares? I don't have such a strong ego that I deny getting killed. I don't have an ego dude......I just don't like to be lied on. I have over 10K deaths, you could have killed me before. But when one boasts about nova knifing me plenty of times, that's absurd. Because I haven't been nova knived "plenty of times" in my entire dust career. It is a rare occurrence. > Check RND out here
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2734	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:36:00 - [45] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. Are you sure? I believe the only unscannable suit in the game is a cloaked 4 profile dampened Gal Scout and everything else is caught with 3 precision enhanced Cal Scout. There is no fit that can pick up a cloaked gal scout with 1 profile dampener. I tested it with a friend in FW. The moment he cloaked, I could no longer pick him up with 4 precision enhancers on my cal proto suit! Wow that math is bad. 27 dB Max Skilled GalScout 20 dB Max Skilled GalScout + Cmp Profile Dampener 18 dB Max Skilled GalScout + Cmp Profile Dampener + Proto Cloak (on) ^ Anything that scans at or below 18 dB will pick this guy up. Pro Tip: Lots of things can scan at or below 18 dB. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:39:00 - [46] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. Are you sure? I believe the only unscannable suit in the game is a cloaked 4 profile dampened Gal Scout and everything else is caught with 3 precision enhanced Cal Scout. There is no fit that can pick up a cloaked gal scout with 1 profile dampener. I tested it with a friend in FW. The moment he cloaked, I could no longer pick him up with 4 precision enhancers on my cal proto suit! Wow that math is bad. 27 dB Max Skilled GalScout 20 dB Max Skilled GalScout + Cmp Profile Dampener 18 dB Max Skilled GalScout + Cmp Profile Dampener + Proto Cloak (on) ^ Anything that scans at or below 18 dB will pick this guy up. Pro Tip: Lots of things can scan at or below 18 dB. this would be much simpler if ccp would show scan profile and precision on the fitting screen
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2735	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:41:00 - [47] - Quote hfderrtgvcd wrote: this would be much simpler if ccp would show scan profile and precision on the fitting screen www.protofits.com ~~math is hard~~ ~~excuses~~ ~~tears~~ Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3250	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:44:00 - [48] - Quote I Knight Soiaire wrote: Cloak is not fine, its just ridiculous and ignorant to say something like that, the first nerf to the Cloak was a step in the right direction, but what would completely balance it is to force the player to manually deactivate the cloak before switching weapons, then all will be well in 'Competitive' land. Until then the Cloak is not fine. Everything else about it is fine, the visibility (Honestly, there were moments in this video where I face desked at the stupidity of some of ERA's 'A-Team' players, even when standing still a Cloak is easy enough to spot for an experienced player, and even then, you get a red crosshair when you move over one) The only thing that I can think of is probably that they were engaged elsewhere. If they can't see a body clearly or it pops up on the map, they wouldn't notice him there. Especially, in a pc match...you don't have time to properly scan an area with your crosshairs. You have to move it slowly in order to know exactly where to shoot. In a pc match, it isn't really practical. Even espeon who has good situational awareness and donned a cal scout didn't see him at the end of the bridge. I remember playing a pub and this guy cloaked and ran into a corner. I couldn't find him for **. So, I just waited around until his ** ran out and deactivated. He probably thought I wouldn't wait but fugg that. It isn't as easy to see....and I don't have much issue with that. But how it can easily be spammed is an issue. > Check RND out here
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 137	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:47:00 - [49] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: this would be much simpler if ccp would show scan profile and precision on the fitting screen www.protofits.com ~~math is hard~~ ~~excuses~~ ~~tears~~ no need to be a ****
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3250	Posted - 2014.07.14 15:50:00 - [50] - Quote Ds Adipem Nothi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. Are you sure? I believe the only unscannable suit in the game is a cloaked 4 profile dampened Gal Scout and everything else is caught with 3 precision enhanced Cal Scout. There is no fit that can pick up a cloaked gal scout with 1 profile dampener. I tested it with a friend in FW. The moment he cloaked, I could no longer pick him up with 4 precision enhancers on my cal proto suit! Wow that math is bad. 27 dB - Max Skilled GalScout 20 dB - Max Skilled GalScout + Cmp Profile Dampener 18 dB - Max Skilled GalScout + Cmp Profile Dampener + Proto Cloak (on) ^ There is no magic here; anything that scans at or below 18 dB will pick this guy up. Pro Tip: Lots of things can scan at or below 18 dB. I don't care what your math says lol. I tested it in the field myself and it doesn't pick it up!! Demzor ran min scouts and told me I couldn't pick him up if he had damps. I called him a liar cause the math said I could. So, I got a gal scout with max everything and we went into FW and I could not pick him up with 4 precision enhancers on my maxed cal scout. And all he had was one dampener and a cloak. Once he cloaked, he would not be picked up. This was before they changed the profile sig of the cloak, however. But I doubt much changed..especially since I was using, and I repeat, 4 precison enhancers. > Check RND out here

Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2735	Posted - 2014.07.14 16:00:00 - [51] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I don't care what your math says lol. I tested it in the field myself and it doesn't pick it up!! Demzor ran min scouts and told me I couldn't pick him up if he had damps. I called him a liar cause the math said I could. So, I got a gal scout with max everything and we went into FW and I could not pick him up with 4 precision enhancers on my maxed cal scout. And all he had was one dampener and a cloak. Once he cloaked, he would not be picked up. This was before they changed the profile sig of the cloak, however. But I doubt much changed..especially since I was using, and I repeat, 4 precison enhancers. Your findings are outdated. Cloaks' active dampening bonus was nerfed in Alpha from 25% to a maximum of 10%. Your max-skill CalScout needs only two cPEs to pick up the GalScout in your scenario. Huge respect for Demzor, btw. He's one of the best; same goes for Assert Dominance. But powerful as they may be, math does not bend under force of their will :-) Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2528	Posted - 2014.07.14 16:01:00 - [52] - Quote How about some cloak fixes? I bet they could implement some sort of "shimmer" when the cloaked person moves, then they wouldn't be so invisible. AND They could make your recticle turn red when it passes over that spot that is more blurry than the rest of the screen. I bet that would help. end sarcasm This is how a minja feels
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3250	Posted - 2014.07.14 16:07:00 - [53] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I don't care what your math says lol. I tested it in the field myself and it doesn't pick it up!! Demzor ran min scouts and told me I couldn't pick him up if he had damps. I called him a liar cause the math said I could. So, I got a gal scout with max everything and we went into FW and I could not pick him up with 4 precision enhancers on my maxed cal scout. And all he had was one dampener and a cloak. Once he cloaked, he would not be picked up. This was before they changed the profile sig of the cloak, however. But I doubt much changed..especially since I was using, and I repeat, 4 precison enhancers. Your findings are outdated. Cloaks' active dampening bonus was nerfed in Alpha from 25% to a maximum of 10%. Your max-skill CalScout needs only two cPEs to pick up the GalScout in your scenario. Huge respect for Demzor, btw. He's one of the best; same goes for Assert Dominance. ****.....didn't know all of the changes. I'm seeing now (in game) that the gal bonus is now 15%. Well, I'm going to have to test it again somehow then. But prior to the nerf, 4 precision enhancers wasn't picking up a cloaked gal scout with one dampener. Maybe it was a bug or maybe the stacking penalties negated everything above 2 enhancers. Cause the dropsuit profile was 35 compared to 40 precision. The damp module was 25% compared to 20% for precision mods plus the cloak had 25%. > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3250	Posted - 2014.07.14 16:13:00 - [54] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: How about some cloak fixes? I bet they could implement some sort of "shimmer" when the cloaked person moves, then they wouldn't be so invisible. AND They could make your recticle turn red when it passes over that spot that is more blurry than the rest of the screen. I bet that would help. end sarcasm Some people should learn how to be at least, slightly below average (as opposed to being in the bottom 5th percentile) before trying to insult others about conquering game mechanics. > Check RND out here
Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5445	Posted - 2014.07.14 16:17:00 - [55] - Quote One Eyed King wrote: How about some cloak fixes? I bet they could implement some sort of "shimmer" when the cloaked person moves, then they wouldn't be so invisible. AND They could make your recticle turn red when it passes over that spot that is more blurry than the rest of the screen. I bet that would help. end sarcasm I've also got a fantastic idea. How about you go ** yourself you sarcastic ** and hop along back to your little circle jerk thread in the Locker Room. No sarcasm, really, shoo, go away. I'm free! /o/
One Eyed King Land of the BIind 2530	Posted - 2014.07.14 16:23:00 - [56] - Quote Knight Soiaire wrote: One Eyed King wrote: How about some cloak fixes? I bet they could implement some sort of "shimmer" when the cloaked person moves, then they wouldn't be so invisible. AND They could make your recticle turn red when it passes over that spot that is more blurry than the rest of the screen. I bet that would help. end sarcasm I've also got a fantastic idea. How about you go ** yourself you sarcastic ** and hop along back to your little circle jerk thread in the Locker Room. No sarcasm, really. Shoo. Go away. This is how a minja feels
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1573	Posted - 2014.07.14 17:25:00 - [57] - Quote Maybe ERA should get glasses. Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)
Eugene Killmore Red Star. EoN. 422	Posted - 2014.07.14 17:45:00 - [58] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Yes this is exactly why this game is a joke to me. Cloaked scouts ruined it for me. EoN. #1 alliance of ALL TIME undefeated in bloc warfare ;) Forever repping that Red*Star 666 illuminati thug mafia.
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 511	Posted - 2014.07.14 18:12:00 - [59] - Quote Eugene Killmore wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Yes this is exactly why this game is a joke to me. Cloaked scouts ruined it for me. The recent nerfs to Cal scout/Gal scout bonuses, plus cloak nerfs have made scout running a minimal in pubs and PC Before they were overpowered Now they are back to being slightly above assault suits As SOON as the scouts got nerfed, Sentinel suits have become the new FOTM And in pubs, a cal scout with a single precision can pick up 95% of clocked scouts Hell any scout suit with 2 precision's can pick them up Closed Beta Vet/ Chromosome and Corp battle Vet/ Uprising 1.0-Now PC vet Ex D.F. Director Current Inner.Hell Director
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 511	Posted - 2014.07.14 18:27:00 - [60] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Honestly Y dubbs, this is a very very poor excuse of an example video Moody has been running min scout for over a year And Nova knives for longer 95% of scouts do not use Nova knives, and even of that, 85% of scouts do not run min scout that get a bonus to them If he had been basically any other cloaked scout, it wwould have taken him 4-8 seconds to kill those heavies and scout on the bridge with a shotgun, in which time he would have died easily On the flip side, if he had been using any other sidearm/primary it might have been longer and he would have been mowed down He used a niche weapon, in a niche suit, with niche modules Not many people can run around with 400 health and still go 17-7 By being as invisible as he was with a proto cloak and 3/2 damps, Moody is sacrificing hundreds of CPU/PG just to be invisible He is effectively losing a proto weapon, proto grenades, and sacrificing 400+ armor/ hacking ability/ run ability to make this fit work If he is running E war to evade everyone, why shouldn't he be able to evade, well, everyone? The cloak give many negative benefits to counter the positives Such as not being able to hear anything around you (Moody cloaked up behind the point at A and died to an orbital because he did not hear it drop), its useless if you don't have the damps to back it up, and the high CPU/PG limits your whole suit Anything below a proto cloak is basically trash, so Moody is sacrificing elsewhere to use the very best cloack there is, so why not be able to cloak up and cloak out repeatedly? If it was advanced or basic cloak, yes I would understand the QQ But fitting a proto and QQing? Eh Closed Beta Vet/ Chromosome and Corp battle Vet/ Uprising 1.0-Now PC vet Ex D.F. Director Current Inner.Hell Director

Everything Dies BIKINI BOTTOM BRIGADE 819	Posted - 2014.07.14 18:32:00 - [61] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: I remember playing a pub and this guy cloaked and ran into a corner. I couldn't find him for **. So, I just waited around until his ** ran out and deactivated. He probably thought I wouldn't wait but fugg that. It isn't as easy to see....and I don't have much issue with that. But how it can easily be spammed is an issue. Part of the problem is the lighting (or lack thereof) in some of the maps; when I play point defense with my heavy, I have no trouble making out cloaked scouts so long as the area/room is well-lit. Same map/room but with darker lighting? Much more difficult. Had an occasion today where I didn't even notice the scout until I say my target reticule change to red. Killed him, but that was because he didn't nail me straight-on with his shotgun blasts. Mike Patton is the greatest singer in music. Proof: Listen
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3252	Posted - 2014.07.14 18:53:00 - [62] - Quote CHANCEtheChAn wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Honestly Y dubbs, this is a very very poor excuse of an example video Moody has been running min scout for over a year And Nova knives for longer 95% of scouts do not use Nova knives, and even of that, 85% of scouts do not run min scout that get a bonus to them If he had been basically any other cloaked scout, it wwould have taken him 4-8 seconds to kill those heavies and scout on the bridge with a shotgun, in which time he would have died easily On the flip side, if he had been using any other sidearm/primary it might have been longer and he would have been mowed down He used a niche weapon, in a niche suit, with niche modules Not many people can run around with 400 health and still go 17-7 By being as invisible as he was with a proto cloak and 3/2 damps, Moody is sacrificing hundreds of CPU/PG just to be invisible He is effectively losing a proto weapon, proto grenades, and sacrificing 400+ armor/ hacking ability/ run ability to make this fit work If he is running E war to evade everyone, why shouldn't he be able to evade, well, everyone? The cloak give many negative benefits to counter the positives Such as not being able to hear anything around you (Moody cloaked up behind the point at A and died to an orbital because he did not hear it drop), its useless if you don't have the damps to back it up, and the high CPU/PG limits your whole suit Anything below a proto cloak is basically trash, so Moody is sacrificing elsewhere to use the very best cloack there is, so why not be able to cloak up and cloak out repeatedly? If it was advanced or basic cloak, yes I would understand the QQ But fitting a proto and QQing? Eh You guys are making this about Moody and minmatar scouts, etc. The issue is with the cloak and the cloak only. Players shouldn't be able to be invisible like that for an entire match. There should be a an immediate cooldown each time you use the cloak. Imagine the scanner without a cooldown time? Last build we all abused the scanner and spamming it constantly. The cloak needs the same cooldown mechanic. > Check RND out here
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2757	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:18:00 - [63] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: You guys are making this about Moody and minmatar scouts, etc. The issue is with the cloak and the cloak only. Players shouldn't be able to be invisible like that for an entire match. There should be a an immediate cooldown each time you use the cloak. Imagine the scanner without a cooldown time? Last build we all abused the scanner and spamming it constantly. The cloak needs the same cooldown mechanic. It doesn't matter if it's a proto cloak...cause when the gameplay turns into cloak, hide, OHK while he's hacking or back is turned..cloak, rinse and repeat....you don't need health. No way, bro. You're wrong ... likely time to let it go. Moody isn't "cloaked the entire match" nor could he have been if he'd wanted to be. Moody is readily countered; Minmatar Scouts are easy to scan (unlike GalScouts). Moody is a top-tier Scout; check the Leaderboards and see for yourself. Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
hfderrtgvcd Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 140	Posted - 2014.07.14 20:27:00 - [64] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: You guys are making this about Moody and minmatar scouts, etc. The issue is with the cloak and the cloak only. Players shouldn't be able to be invisible like that for an entire match. There should be a an immediate cooldown each time you use the cloak. Imagine the scanner without a cooldown time? Last build we all abused the scanner and spamming it constantly. The cloak needs the same cooldown mechanic. It doesn't matter if it's a proto cloak...cause when the gameplay turns into cloak, hide, OHK while he's hacking or back is turned..cloak, rinse and repeat....you don't need health. No way, bro. You're wrong ... likely time to let it go. Moody isn't "cloaked the entire match" nor could he have been if he'd wanted to be. Moody is readily countered; Minmatar Scouts are easy to scan (unlike GalScouts). Moody is a top-tier Scout; check the Leaderboards and see for yourself. He was cloaked for the majority of the game. His suit is also unscannable. I fail to see what being a top tier scout has to do with easily abusable and poor cloaking mechanics.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 846	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:14:00 - [65] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: hfderrtgvcd wrote: To all the people saying run counter fits ad use precision enhancers, moody is using three proto profile damps and a proto cloak. He is unscannable with that fit. Are you sure? I believe the only unscannable suit in the game is a cloaked 4 profile dampened Gal Scout and everything else is caught with 3 precision enhanced Cal Scout. yes i believe you are correct because when i have my ewar scout in my squad i can see him. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3112	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:23:00 - [66] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best. QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots. Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP. "abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa ps- Have a like. +1 You need to get laid bro. #RealTalks The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
PoP SoTa Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 361	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:25:00 - [67] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best. QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots. Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP. "abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa ps- Have a like. +1 You need to get laid bro. #RealTalks #TalksAboutSexOnGamingForum #KDR=Sex
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2765	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:28:00 - [68] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: You need to get laid bro. #RealTalks Does your mommy know you've learned speak this way? #ProtoKids #KDR > Books Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3112	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:31:00 - [69] - Quote PoP SoTa wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best. QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots. Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP. "abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa ps- Have a like. +1 You need to get laid bro. #RealTalks #TalksAboutSexOnGamingForum #KDR=Sex Just trying to help a bro out . The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6245	Posted - 2014.07.14 21:48:00 - [70] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: PoP SoTa wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Thank you. Thank you very much. I'm an assassin, doing what an assassin does best. QQ Min scouts. QQ knives. QQ the fact that they could have countered me if they put on the right fit or actually kept their eyes open. Oh wait every Cal scout is a slayer scout that doesn't run precision. QQ my 400 hp and terrible regen. QQ me having to use 4 slots and an adv main weapon so I can hide from idiots. Hilarious thread considering how many gal shotgunners exist with double my eHP. "abuse" hahahahahahahahhahaa ps- Have a like. +1 You need to get laid bro. #RealTalks #TalksAboutSexOnGamingForum #KDR=Sex Just trying to help a bro out . Hahaha. I've a very healthy sex life actually. Just ask your mom. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.

ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3112	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:01:00 - [71] - Quote Oh no!? my internet persona is melting.... No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1574	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:11:00 - [72] - Quote Thats the best response to Oh winning I've heard yet. "lol at least we get laid!" Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6247	Posted - 2014.07.14 22:20:00 - [73] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Oh no!? my internet persona is melting.... No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5109	Posted - 2014.07.15 01:36:00 - [74] - Quote Getting an alpha shot while being cloaked is wrong. And was supposed to be fixed. Good scouts don't need this crutch, and this game certianley doesn't need the cheapness that comes with a cloaked alpha shot. Scouts would be fine otherwise, what's amazing to me is how much effort has gone Into the scout suits with each patch, because they are broken?
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10491	Posted - 2014.07.15 01:57:00 - [75] - Quote I remember when Scouts were difficult. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5973	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:10:00 - [76] - Quote Atiim wrote: I remember when Scouts were difficult. I believe I recently reminded someone about this. "When scouts couldn't scan eachother, and fighting another scout was like having a boxing match in the dark. Back when being a PC scout was a badge of f*cking honor" How I Imagine I look when running Minmatar Scout PSN: EVL_Elgost105
Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 138	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:13:00 - [77] - Quote has a scout since close beta im agreeing with the fact assault need buff and the scanner need to be like it was for cooldown otheer addition: need a footstep noise adjusting from your DB while running increase noise will see with addition in hotfix charlie but now ... i though scout are OP in skirmish mode not by much but my idea can fix that pretty sure
Ghost Kaisar Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 5973	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:13:00 - [78] - Quote HowDidThatTaste wrote: Getting an alpha shot while being cloaked is wrong. And was supposed to be fixed. Good scouts don't need this crutch, and this game certianley doesn't need the cheapness that comes with a cloaked alpha shot. Scouts would be fine otherwise, what's amazing to me is how much effort has gone Into the scout suits with each patch, because they are broken? They've always been broken. Either OP or useless. I want equilibrium. I want a PC world where you won't be trumped by another player because "Their suit is simply better". A place where a good scout has equal standing with a good logi, heavy, assault, or commando. A place where your skill with the suit is more important than just "Well scanning/HMG/shotgun+cloak/etc is just OP, so it won't hurt to bring you on" and then passing up the Amarr/Min Scout who is very good at his job. It is my dream to see this game at that stage. How I Imagine I look when running Minmatar Scout PSN: EVL_Elgost105
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 298	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:32:00 - [79] - Quote How did they not see that guy? Good work Moody. Quite impressive
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 298	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:33:00 - [80] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Oh no!? my internet persona is melting.... No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. Does your victims get a discount for shots?

Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 140	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:51:00 - [81] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Oh no!? my internet persona is melting.... No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. lol Cyrius you can be pretty bad with woman just being bartender and having a pretty face did the job instead of anykind of skil dont lie ... , its like pretending you were good with a cal logi core nade and tac AR at beginning of uprising
Chuckles Brown 262	Posted - 2014.07.15 03:56:00 - [82] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: How did they not see that guy? Good work Moody. Quite impressive First, this video demonstrates just how invisible the cloak can and will make you. Now, mix in the lag factor, and ever guess wheel of glitches that PC play has to offer and there you have a recipe for a scrubs to succeed uses FoTM crutches. Scouts have only counters in this game. Another Scout (Ck.0) or a Gal Logi with their scanner. But as we all know, Scouts eat logis alive in this build. Moody makes it look easy, but at the same time he's getting A LOT of help from CCP. When Scout 514 gets the nerf hammer and whatever else takes its place, he'll go back to where he was before... mediocre but having actual fun. The official alt of 8213: Other alts are unofficially unofficial Do you pub, brah? Latest 8213 Ban Lifted: 07.02.2014
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 302	Posted - 2014.07.15 04:09:00 - [83] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: How did they not see that guy? Good work Moody. Quite impressive First, this video demonstrates just how invisible the cloak can and will make you. Now, mix in the lag factor, and ever guess wheel of glitches that PC play has to offer and there you have a recipe for a scrubs to succeed uses FoTM crutches. Scouts have only 2 counters in this game. Another Scout (Ck.0) or a Gal Logi with their scanner. But as we all know, Scouts eat logis alive in this build. And even if you do see them. All their core skills are superior to anything else in the game right now. The team with the most scouts in PC, wins. Moody makes it look easy, but at the same time he's getting A LOT of help from CCP. When Scout 514 gets the nerf hammer and whatever else takes its place, he'll go back to where he was before... mediocre but having actual fun. Its very sad to see what used to be one of the top scouts in the game resorting to diving off the deep end of FoTM instead of just using the skill he already had from years of practice, prior. I remember Moody saying "I don't think I'll ever use the cloak. I already have my own method of playing with out it..." Now he spends less than 60 total seconds a match uncloaked. High alpha weapons + scout = win. Every FPS on the planet follows that formula. Stealth and firepower trump all. So basically you're saying because of lag and glitches, people were not able to see a predator like camo on their screen? That they didn't use any comms to say "watch out by alpha, there's a cloaked scout somewhere around there?" I can see cloaked scouts as clear as day on my screen. The only time I do not is when I'm not paying attention.
HowDidThatTaste Ancient Exiles. General Tso's Alliance 5109	Posted - 2014.07.15 04:24:00 - [84] - Quote I suppose it is just scouts who are defending this crap mechanic. I love how the defense is " open your eyes scrub, they aren't really invisible" This line will have to go down in dusts history as one of the funniest ones used to defend a scrub mechanic. Playing a heavy I deal with it all day every game, I don't care that you can sneak up on me. great job! I don't care that you can cloak and hop over a box or sprint away. You better run! I don't care that two scouts can mess a heavies day up, when one entertains me from the front while the other one decloaks behind me. Working as intended. But no one hear can say that getting a free shot from a cloaked position is good for the game.
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6262	Posted - 2014.07.15 04:40:00 - [85] - Quote Bring the tears! THE TASTY TEARS Also considering most of ERA are shotgun scouts you really have very little to cry about 8213. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
True Adamance Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 11856	Posted - 2014.07.15 04:43:00 - [86] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: True Adamance wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Cyrius Li Moody best Min scout in the game besides Mr Mustard ERA blind...... So, what you're saying is that you would be able to do better and be able to spot him? That your situational awareness is even better than Espeon's? Cause I saw Espeon standing near him and he didn't know he was there either. Pfff that's not what I said at all. I mean damn I wear glasses I actually have terrible vision.....but the fact you failed, admittedly facing PC lag, and several times with a Sentinel either means you are blind or Cyrius is very good at his job. Either way my point stands. C'mon guys we all just have to realise we are a bunch of nerds arguing about a goddamn video game..... "Your Faith stands as a shield for the Faithful, and you are one of His Angels." - Soren Tyrhannos to Templar Ouryon
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6266	Posted - 2014.07.15 05:24:00 - [87] - Quote Morathi III wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Oh no!? my internet persona is melting.... No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. lol Cyrius you can be pretty bad with woman just being bartender and having a pretty face did the job instead of anykind of skil dont lie ... , its like pretending you were good with a cal logi core nade and tac AR at beginning of uprising Aww. You think I'm pretty. :3 Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
CHANCEtheChAn 0uter.Heaven 513	Posted - 2014.07.15 08:44:00 - [88] - Quote Chuckles Brown wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: How did they not see that guy? Good work Moody. Quite impressive First, this video demonstrates just how invisible the cloak can and will make you. Now, mix in the lag factor, and ever guess wheel of glitches that PC play has to offer and there you have a recipe for a scrubs to succeed uses FoTM crutches. Scouts have only 2 counters in this game. Another Scout (Ck.0) or a Gal Logi with their scanner. But as we all know, Scouts eat logis alive in this build. And even if you do see them. All their core skills are superior to anything else in the game right now. The team with the most scouts in PC, wins. Moody makes it look easy, but at the same time he's getting A LOT of help from CCP. When Scout 514 gets the nerf hammer and whatever else takes its place, he'll go back to where he was before... mediocre but having actual fun. Its very sad to see what used to be one of the top scouts in the game resorting to diving off the deep end of FoTM instead of just using the skill he already had from years of practice, prior. I remember Moody saying "I don't think I'll ever use the cloak. I already have my own method of playing with out it..." Now he spends less than 60 total seconds a match uncloaked. High alpha weapons + scout = win. Every FPS on the planet follows that formula. Stealth and firepower trump all. So basically your saying that, since he is using Nova knives, a high skill weapon with maybe 1 meter of range, and a proto cloak that he had to sacrifice out a proto primary weapon to fit on his suit, he trumps all? Im sorry I think you women are confusing DUST with Cod or BF With 400 health, you could tap a HMG and obliterate him That's half a second of a viziam scrambler That's less than 1 second of DPS to basically every primary rifle in the game Considering he was going 1 vs 3/4 most of the battle, either they had terrible aim Or Moody is just that good Give him some damn credit geez Hit detection is basically fixed When lag hits, everyone lags, not just set people anymore There are no excuses anymore Get gud or get off the ground I mean, he could have made it 10x worse by running a shotgun on his fit and going around 2 shotting everyone like most damped scouts do But Moody has much more honor than that Closed Beta Vet/ Chromosome and Corp battle Vet/ Uprising 1.0-Now PC vet Ex D.F. Director Current Inner.Hell Director
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 849	Posted - 2014.07.15 08:57:00 - [89] - Quote i think the problem stems from a good player in a invisible damp scout suit is kind of OP. no one is complaining about cloaked scrub scouts. but i know the day i seen lightning in a pub when the cloak first came out i said to myself this will be a scary FOTM a good slayer thats invisible. KEQ diplomat/ intel /GC officer
SgtNONECK WASSSUP Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 118	Posted - 2014.07.15 09:18:00 - [90] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Morathi III wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Oh no!? my internet persona is melting.... No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. lol Cyrius you can be pretty bad with woman just being bartender and having a pretty face did the job instead of anykind of skil dont lie ... , its like pretending you were good with a cal logi core nade and tac AR at beginning of uprising Aww. You think I'm pretty. :3 I think ur pretty ;p

RogueTrooper 2000AD Neckbeard Absolution 160	Posted - 2014.07.15 09:40:00 - [91] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Oh I am taking it personally. You don't direct link my content and complain about my playstyle without me taking it personally. I've knifed you plenty of times. Just because you don't remember it doesn't mean it hasn't happened. You used to run around in your cute little proto Min Logi in pubs quite often. Run fits to counter fits. Stop complaining. "Plenty of times" means that I would have remembered. Getting nova knifed isn't like getting shot with an AR. You knew my min logi suit..congrats. You're better off saying that you shot me plenty of times.....nova knived? You're just lying now Whatever keeps your ego intact. Says the guy who has fabricated a lot of what he has said from thin air, you are delusional. Service with a smile
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3890	Posted - 2014.07.15 09:50:00 - [92] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Oh no!? my internet persona is melting.... No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. I used to run a pub. Anyone who ordered a Pimms on a busy Saturday got a swift "fk off" It was not a commercial bar. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3259	Posted - 2014.07.15 12:08:00 - [93] - Quote CUSE TOWN333 wrote: i think the problem stems from a good player in a invisible damp scout suit is kind of OP. no one is complaining about cloaked scrub scouts. but i know the day i seen lightning in a pub when the cloak first came out i said to myself this will be a scary FOTM a good slayer thats invisible. Man.....this is so not about Moody. Everyone keeps making it about moody. It is just his video but it could have been anyone. The issue is the ablity to be invisible for the whole game that the cloak allows. Ahhh forget it...the thread went south anyway lol > Check RND out here
ROEG X The Enclave Syndicate Dark Taboo 91	Posted - 2014.07.15 12:38:00 - [94] - Quote OH has the best scouts in the game however, cloaks & shotguns is God mode in Dust 514. Cloaks killed off medium suits in the market and now if your not a scout you must be a heavy lol !! lets face it, Dust 514 will never be balance, it's CCP's master plan.
Cenex Langly Dude.Man.Bro 775	Posted - 2014.07.15 12:40:00 - [95] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. LOL You mad? But seriously. Don't blame your loss on the cloak. It's a ****** game mechanic that wasn't well thought out. It needs to have a delay in the decloak so that the player doesn't just shoot and you have no idea where it came from. I'm sick of that as well. There is no counter to a guy with a cloak and 3 profile dampeners. In EVE there are always counters, but in DUST there are just ... well none. You need a cloaking delay before you can perform a task like shooting. Something like a 3 second delay. These guys that can get in shoot then cloak back up before you even know what happened... well that's just not fun at all. But yeah. I'm only saying that because I agree cloak is broken. OH would have murdered your corp regardless of cloak so don't complain about that. Newb
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dark Taboo 3114	Posted - 2014.07.15 13:39:00 - [96] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Oh no!? my internet persona is melting.... No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. Does your victims get a discount for shots? This sounds a bit rapey . You need to work on that. The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6280	Posted - 2014.07.15 16:07:00 - [97] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: Oh no!? my internet persona is melting.... No but seriously (Bro talks) drop the controller or knives and get your **** wet. OH, your L33t ninja skills, and knives will be here when you get back. I know this may be difficult for you to comprehend reg but get this: some of us have been successful enough with women we can play video games and have love/sex life as well. I know, it's crazy. You should really try it. It's like... the best of both worlds. If you need help with women let me know. I'm a bartender. I can give you some tips. I've seen it all. Does your victims get a discount for shots? This sounds a bit rapey . You need to work on that. Yes, the fact that I actually have to socialize with women from all walks of life is rapey. Reg, you're that loud obnoxious beta that tries way too hard to alpha. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2829	Posted - 2014.07.15 16:17:00 - [98] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Reg, you're that loud obnoxious beta that tries way too hard to alpha. Snap! Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
Cyrius Li-Moody 0uter.Heaven 6281	Posted - 2014.07.15 16:19:00 - [99] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Reg, you're that loud obnoxious beta that tries way too hard to alpha. Snap! Like the loud obnoxious fat girl amongst a group of attractive women that has to draw attention to herself / make up for her lack of confidence in herself by being an ass. Youtuber. Your friendly neighborhood whiskey-fueled merc.
Hynox Xitio 0uter.Heaven 1579	Posted - 2014.07.15 17:02:00 - [100] - Quote Cyrius Li-Moody wrote: Like the loud obnoxious fat girl amongst a group of attractive women that has to draw attention to herself / make up for her lack of confidence in herself by being an ass. Or he's just a troll. Unleash the Fogwoggler, follow your dreams. ( -íº -£-û -íº) /)

Jathniel G I A N T General Tso's Alliance 1101	Posted - 2014.07.15 17:28:00 - [101] - Quote Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Sorry, man. I usually agree with you, but in this case, I think the cloak worked fine. If you want to add a cooldown mechanic, I can only accept it if cloaks are given 100% invisibility, including immunity to line-of-sight scanning. Also, he didn't get non-stop OHK, and he died more often than not. Literally, nearly half of his engagements got him killed. So it's not like the operation of the cloak makes someone invincible. Set your goals high, and shoot for the moon; even if you miss you'll land amongst the stars.
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3264	Posted - 2014.07.15 18:02:00 - [102] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. LOL You mad? But seriously. Don't blame your loss on the cloak. It's a **** game mechanic that wasn't well thought out. It needs to have a delay in the decloak so that the player doesn't just shoot and you have no idea where it came from. I'm sick of that as well. There is no counter to a guy with a cloak and 3 profile dampeners. In EVE there are always counters, but in DUST there are just ... well none. You need a cloaking delay before you can perform a task like shooting. Something like a 3 second delay. These guys that can get in shoot then cloak back up before you even know what happened... well that's just not fun at all. But yeah. I'm only saying that because I agree cloak is broken. OH would have murdered your corp regardless of cloak so don't complain about that. What the ** are you talking about? That wasn't RND in the video, you mindless geek. > Check RND out here
Ydubbs81 RND Ahrendee Mercenaries 3264	Posted - 2014.07.15 18:16:00 - [103] - Quote Jathniel wrote: Ydubbs81 RND wrote: http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=CfW4XBP7A7c Now, OH played a good game but I'm curious to know if this is what CCP envisioned? Is it ok that players are invisible longer than they are visible and in a competitive match? Only popping out just to OHK you? If this isn't evidence that the cloak needs to have the same cooldown mechanic as every other module (with a cooldown) in the game, then there is nothing else you can do. This isn't a dig at the player that's abusing the mechanic either.....this is a dig at cloaking in dust and how crazy it is. Sorry, man. I usually agree with you, but in this case, I think the cloak worked fine. If you want to add a cooldown mechanic, I can only accept it if cloaks are given 100% invisibility, including immunity to line-of-sight scanning. Also, he didn't get non-stop OHK, and he died more often than not. Literally, nearly half of his engagements got him killed. So it's not like the operation of the cloak makes someone invincible. Again, this isn't about critiquing Moody's gameplay.....but he went 17-7, so he didn't die more often than not. 7 deaths in a competitive pc match is pretty good. I didn't count his kills but in the beginning he was holding A by cloaking and OHK the enemy. He had a nice kill streak in the beginning. You only die when you engage, so yeah....but he still killed at least 2x more than he died. But back on topic....if they gave 100% invisibility for the proposed cooldown mechanic, i'd be ok wth it. It would be sillyy to do so but I'd give in > Check RND out here
Atiim Fooly Cooly. Anime Empire. 10504	Posted - 2014.07.15 18:35:00 - [104] - Quote Jathniel wrote: If you want to add a cooldown mechanic, I can only accept it if cloaks are given 100% invisibility, including immunity to line-of-sight scanning. lolWTF? I don't think anyone would run anything but cloaks if this happened. Hell, I'd even put one on my Commmando. The Snack That Smiles Back, Tankers! -HAND
Adipem Nothi Nos Nothi 2841	Posted - 2014.07.15 19:20:00 - [105] - Quote Atiim wrote: Jathniel wrote: If you want to add a cooldown mechanic, I can only accept it if cloaks are given 100% invisibility, including immunity to line-of-sight scanning. lolWTF? I don't think anyone would run anything but cloaks if this happened. Hell, I'd even put one on my Commmando. Remember that little, red chevron that appears over your head when someone scans you? Shoot scout with yes... - Ripley Riley
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3898	Posted - 2014.07.15 20:07:00 - [106] - Quote Omgwtfhaxxbbqlmaololyoloswagetc. That is all lol. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
Morathi III Pro Hic Immortalis 142	Posted - 2014.07.16 03:13:00 - [107] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: HowDidThatTaste wrote: Getting an alpha shot while being cloaked is wrong. And was supposed to be fixed. Good scouts don't need this crutch, and this game certianley doesn't need the cheapness that comes with a cloaked alpha shot. Scouts would be fine otherwise, what's amazing to me is how much effort has gone Into the scout suits with each patch, because they are broken? They've always been broken. Either OP or useless. I want equilibrium. I want a PC world where you won't be trumped by another player because "Their suit is simply better". A place where a good scout has equal standing with a good logi, heavy, assault, or commando. A place where your skill with the suit is more important than just "Well scanning/HMG/shotgun+cloak/etc is just OP, so it won't hurt to bring you on" and then passing up the Amarr/Min Scout who is very good at his job. It is my dream to see this game at that stage. pretty much what i think too, the delicate part is to bring the scout usefull but not OP in skirmish and in ambush thats the harder point to fit
Bayeth Mal OSG Planetary Operations Covert Intervention 785	Posted - 2014.07.17 12:01:00 - [108] - Quote Wait... Did this argument actually decend into "yeah well I get more girls than you"? Seriously? Oh god. My sides. They are figuratively splitting. Way to fight the steriotype of the raging 14 year old folks, you show that internet stranger who's boss. Heading over to Destiny Beta and a few others Hit me up for Skype and PSN


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