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Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 1	Posted - 2014.07.12 12:19:00 - [1] - Quote why couldnt they make it and not exclude 90% of the community and create a giant afk fest push most of the newer players away like all you had to do was make it so any lvl of weapon could be used so everyone could participate and not just the isk loaded old pc hoarders. i dunno the battlefields are just stale i have to roll with 5 other proto vets to stand a chance because im constantly bumping into full proto squads...and because of the event if i want my kills to count i have to make them ina expensive suit.. i dunno ccp just really seems like this event could have been allot better. all levels of weapons and suits should have been able to compete no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4034	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:35:00 - [2] - Quote There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 425	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:39:00 - [3] - Quote Eh, I'm okay with it. I'm not seeing so much proto-spam now, although that may be due to TZ. Also, I'm not certain it's a bad thing that there are multiple proto-squads fighting each other :P ((Anyway did you get your voice issues fixed?)) It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Harpyja Legio DXIV 2062	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:39:00 - [4] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. I think this is more of an "amazing opportunity" for those with hordes of ISK and can use proto 24/7. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4036	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:42:00 - [5] - Quote If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 172	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:45:00 - [6] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. GÇ£Their stupidity does not amaze me, its when they're smart that amazes me." GÇò Frank Zappa
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 427	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:50:00 - [7] - Quote Harpyja wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. I think this is more of an "amazing opportunity" for those with hordes of ISK and can use proto 24/7. Were I of a mind to participate (I'm a bad and I can't compete with the likes of Tibs) I'd have ground out the ISK for two or three weeks in advance. Assuming I keep a KDR of 4-5 (poor for full-proto Viziam ak.0 when all I'm trying to do is farm kills, as opposed to actually trying to push points and win matches by PTFO but I'm a scrub and I'd be running solo a lot) over 7-8k kills I'd be running about 200M. Assuming, of course, I'm grinding ISK for the event, I could potentially pull like 150M in three weeks (41 hours of ambush at 200k per 'bush and 10m between matches). On top of the huge amount of matches I'd be running in the proto suit I'd probably end up going ISK positive over the course of the event. If I managed to find squads with good quality needles and repair tools, that could stretch a lot further. If I was using a weapon that didn't require 8k kills to win, it'd be even easier. Basically, if you don't have enough ISK to no-life the event, there's nothing stopping you no-lifing the three weekends beforehand to get enough. (forgive my midnight maths, it's very 'back-of-the-napkin'.) It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Mossellia Delt Militaires Sans Jeux 1584	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:51:00 - [8] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. ..... yes, because people who exploited PC ISK farming have to go positive in proto with hundreds of millions of ISK. Delt for CPM1 Moss-delt on skype
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 2	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:52:00 - [9] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. my point at least if they're weapons counted they would feel as if they hada chance. just seems like an event meant for old closed beta vets and at the cost of scrubs no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
Aeon Amadi Edimmu Warfighters Gallente Federation 6262	Posted - 2014.07.12 13:58:00 - [10] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. Mind checking the logs between 07:00 - 10:00 GMT...? My squad literally fought the same team four times in a row... Balanced fight, sure, but only because we were literally fighting the same people over and over again. Even waited a few minutes in the quarters to see if we could get into a different match and as soon as we queued it threw us into a match with those guys. Nothing against Opus Arcana, they're great guys and a real challenge to fight against but I like a little variety in my life... Useful Links Aeon Amadi for CPM1

shaman oga Nexus Balusa Horizon 2441	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:01:00 - [11] - Quote This event is not enjoyable, i have a lot of different proto weapons, but i don't even bother to partecipate, i'm not a killer, i just play normally and there is no reward for all of us that do not play as slayers. PSN: ogamega "Dust is full of communist who despise people with enough isk to buy expensive items"
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2293	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:06:00 - [12] - Quote Kdr matchmaking fixes this. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4039	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:07:00 - [13] - Quote Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. If you are mature enough to admit that in this game, and in life, there are probably other people who are better than you at something, then that shouldn't bother anyone. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

CEOPyrex CloneA The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 805	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:14:00 - [14] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. If you are mature enough to admit that in this game, and in life, there are probably other people who are better than you at something, then that shouldn't bother anyone. If you are aware enough to admit that the majority of the eventual winners were boosting on Oceania Server while the remainder of the playerbase ground each others resolve with both this game and event, perhaps this would have been perhaps, in the check and balance of things, a bad idea?
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 430	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:42:00 - [15] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. If you are mature enough to admit that in this game, and in life, there are probably other people who are better than you at something, then that shouldn't bother anyone. If you are aware enough to admit that the majority of the eventual winners were boosting on Oceania Server while the remainder of the playerbase ground each others resolve with both this game and event, perhaps this would have been perhaps, in the check and balance of things, a bad idea? Dunno about you but I'm pretty sure Tiberius at the very least played it legit - I was unfortunate enough to be on the other side once in the first weekend. I also imagine it'd be pretty easy to check who was boosting, and considering there aren't many people they need to check u don't really see it as a big deal. Why come on to the forums anyway? It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
Beld Errmon 1775	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:47:00 - [16] - Quote shrug just another weekend for me, as cool as it would be to get to name an officer weapon I just can't bring myself to play nonstop for the entire weekend just to stand a chance, besides I hate running around with a gun, thats so 2 years ago pets incubus Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 957	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:50:00 - [17] - Quote I haven't noticed any real change in the marches I've played. The stompers are stomping, nothing new. Yeah, the event is a non-event for me, so what? Matchmaking will be getting some changes. We'll see how it works but I really haven't seen any game be able to do this well. Because, that's why.
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 141	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:50:00 - [18] - Quote said it before and i'll say it again. I just really hope that ccp are very careful when checking the winners stats and vet out the winning weekend's stats to make sure that no boosters win these. also that they come down hard on the guys that did it
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4279	Posted - 2014.07.12 14:58:00 - [19] - Quote I can go ISK positive in pubs, running full proto, but I can't bother with this event because I've seen how awful stat tracking is in this game. Skirmish not counting certain matches for months. Event stats being so badly handled that rewards were delayed, incorrect, and even doubled in at least one case. 50% of the stats were removed from the fitting screen because their spreadsheets don't work. Known, proven Boosters & Glitchers receiving all benefits without reprimand. Need I continue? If CCP can't keep proper tally, then why bother no-lifing the event just to have your name on a weapon that you have zero input on? Cheesy event for cheesy players. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Viktor Hadah Jr Negative-Impact Gentlemen's.Club 4554	Posted - 2014.07.12 17:20:00 - [20] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. After hour 12 of constant I was most certainly going ISK negative and just throwing away as many suits trying to get kills before I passed out. There are people who are so rich the concept of going ISK positive does not even cross there mind. Earn 500Mil ISK Gentlemen's Club "No poors allowed" Chat Channel: Vik PC

Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 5243	Posted - 2014.07.12 17:28:00 - [21] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. Spoken in true hunger games fashion I can use all 4 proto commandos ^.^ CCP, at least fix my ck.0 commandos colour scheme...he looks like the Michelin man
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6496	Posted - 2014.07.12 18:07:00 - [22] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: ... I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. Hahahaha Alrighty there. This is your issue, this is where you fell short. Due to the completely jacked up balance of your game this event really didn't work out in that aspect like it should have. I've got more than half a billion ISK left in my Wallet, been here since Mordu's Private Trials (which I hope you know what that is) and I had one free weekend to attempt this event and even I saw that there was an issue with this event. To even compete with this event you could not use an Assault suit (Outside of the Amarr of course) because the assault suits are too slow and have less killing potential than their Scout Counterparts. Forgive me, I have more than enough SP (about 47 mil SP) to throw away since there was nothing else left to skill into but there's no way I'm skilling into the scout suit that you guys have OP'd a while back just for an event. And no, this is not crying I could care less but more than anything I hate it when you guys pull stupid stuff and then think it's the bee's knees. I've been dealing with that crap for 2 years now. This is just to let you know. So, here I am making the point that one of your objectives to encourage older players has failed unless they have your broken suits. Once again, not crying. I play this game literally for FW and lore. see you space cowboy...
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11374	Posted - 2014.07.12 19:30:00 - [23] - Quote Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 6	Posted - 2014.07.12 19:32:00 - [24] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. i agree. completely +1 well said no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
Gavr1lo Pr1nc1p Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 1293	Posted - 2014.07.12 19:45:00 - [25] - Quote i go isk positive in full proto but thats cause my full proto costs 93k "Minmitar Scout" and "Masochist" are synonyms. Kills-Archduke Ferd1nand
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14579	Posted - 2014.07.12 19:56:00 - [26] - Quote It's nice how vehicle players were included in this The Future
Henchmen21 Planet Express LLC 1054	Posted - 2014.07.12 20:11:00 - [27] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. Your game f'ing sucks, but I'll still play it, damn you! Turns out I wont.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14579	Posted - 2014.07.12 20:13:00 - [28] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. Sshhhh, you'll hurt their ego's. Everyone knows that stompers come to this game to boost their ego since in a truly competitive environment, they just can't compete. Just let them have their fun. The Future
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 8	Posted - 2014.07.12 20:15:00 - [29] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. see this is my point exactly ccp shoulda made it where any weapon could be used..anyway that they could have done that would have made this event great. because everyone could participate ,...this wont be a measure of skills it will be a measure of who has the biggest wallet no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
Hand Fap Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:04:00 - [30] - Quote The tears in this thread are f*cking delicious.


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4066	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:15:00 - [31] - Quote Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 176	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:17:00 - [32] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. my point at least if they're weapons counted they would feel as if they hada chance. just seems like an event meant for old closed beta vets and at the cost of scrubs I don't disagree, I think that everything except militia should have been included. GÇ£Their stupidity does not amaze me, its when they're smart that amazes me." GÇò Frank Zappa
Hand Fap Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:17:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. Sshhhh, you'll hurt their ego's. Everyone knows that stompers come to this game to boost their ego since in a truly competitive environment, they just can't compete. Just let them have their fun. yet both of you will get sht on if you played one PC. oh wait DUST fiend do you even play dust anymore? why are you here? trying to boost your ego trying to talk down on players who can rpe you?
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 176	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:25:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. If you are mature enough to admit that in this game, and in life, there are probably other people who are better than you at something, then that shouldn't bother anyone. I actually include myself in that comment There is a small core of extremely good players in this game which the rest of us are here to try & not die too. GÇ£Their stupidity does not amaze me, its when they're smart that amazes me." GÇò Frank Zappa
The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA The DOT MAFIA 42	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:31:00 - [35] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. You forgot the high latency players with mods.
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:33:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. I usually don't go ISK positive in proto gear. That being said, outside of this event I usually didn't use proto except in PC. I wouldn't have even had to be a PC player to have enough ISK to participate, as my advanced setups made me ISK positive enough to have millions saved up. PC funds helped, but you need not be a PC player or even ISK positive to be a contender. You just need to have managed your money well beforehand. CPM1 Candidate Youtube
The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA The DOT MAFIA 42	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:36:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. Fix the netcode, and then make judgements about skill. This game is a joke in it's present state due to it's attraction of FPS wannabe's-who on their best days are mediocre on AAA titles, but in DUST are "YOUR" good players.
Hand Fap Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:40:00 - [38] - Quote The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. Fix the netcode, and then make judgements about skill. This game is a joke in it's present state due to it's attraction of FPS wannabe's-who on their best days are mediocre on AAA titles, but in DUST are "YOUR" good players. doubt it because there are some mlg players still around, like regnyum, djinn kujo, kalante, alex, to name a few. Seriously what dream world do you people live on?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11379	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:49:00 - [39] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Guessing by the lack of CCP reply to these questions, there really is no excuse. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Guiltless D667 43	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:50:00 - [40] - Quote Because CCP cant make events(at least not this often) and just shuffle around player's interests to prompt the buying of aurm gear/boosters.There hasnt been a worth while event in a long time, the ones you remember for months after,the ones you can actally see work was put into them (Caldari prime,Amarr templar etc). A Strange Game.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2059	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:52:00 - [41] - Quote shaman oga wrote: This event is not enjoyable, i have a lot of different proto weapons, but i don't even bother to partecipate, i'm not a killer, i just play normally and there is no reward for all of us that do not play as slayers. ^^this "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4289	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:03:00 - [42] - Quote Need ideas for fun events? Refer back to Mordu's Challenge. That's the last one I remember that wasn't a mega grind or a direct, obvious reach for my wallet. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 5249	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:18:00 - [43] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Thank you!!!! I never ever ever ever run proto weapons. I always run basic and can out kill a fair share of proto users using my basic gear, I don't run proto due to cash flow, so why only award the greedy PC fat batards? Poorly thought out ccp....poorly thought out I can use all 4 proto commandos ^.^ CCP, at least fix my ck.0 commandos colour scheme...he looks like the Michelin man
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 758	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:19:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. Yeah but people only get good by spending a lot of ISK on proto in the first place. Twitter MajLagSpike CPM Application
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 194	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:26:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. You are greatly discounting how influential isk can be in what constitutes someone's "best" suit. The best suit I can personally fit is ~300k. If I have 20mil isk on hand (because maybe I like vehicles alot but don't do it well, so don't pile up isk for a rainy day since I can get it outside vehicles) I can run this suit for awhile, but losing 1 suit causes me to go isk negative, and a 15-1 match is hardly doing poorly (and likely able to be in the running). I believe this character would fall in your definition of a "Bad" player, since any # kills and 1 death in this suit is technically isk negative since most matches will be around or under 300k. There is an occasional match where you get 400k+, but averaged out it will fall to less than 300k. Now assume I have 1 bilion isk. How many times can I come back in with that suit before I even consider it being an issue (the answer is more than there is time in a weekend, even playing 24/7). Therefore no matter how hard I try, I gotta go 2 games with only 1 death to stand a chance at maintaining a wallet, while the old PC farmers can literally go 16-21 in that same match and I would be behind in kills. But according to your setup, I would be the worse player. I understand this is a hypothetical, in almost every sense (I am a logi not a slayer, I doubt an old-school PC farmer would go 15-21 but even 16-3 still proves my point, and I have no intention of even trying for these as I know my limitations), but in every sense of this "challenge", the advantages go to those with the largest wallets and not the most skilled, since overall kills matter to the detriment of smart and effective play to minimize casualties. You can disagree with many things, but these are absolutes. It is possible that someone who only loses 1 suit a match will win, but more than likely that will only be the sniper. Either you have very cheap "full proto" fits, or you have never ran a suit as expensive as I can run. I don't, because I'm not an idiot who thinks he can only lose 1 suit every 2-3 matches, but I do break it out when I got isk to burn. Which is exactly what PC farmers have in abundance. To win this you will need a mountain of isk to keep your best suit on the field, regardless of difficulty and cost.
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:55:00 - [46] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Thank you!!!! I never ever ever ever run proto weapons. I always run basic and can out kill a fair share of proto users using my basic gear, I don't run proto due to cash flow, so why only award the greedy PC fat batards? Poorly thought out ccp....poorly thought out PROVES MY POINT this was just the other day...why force people to use the most expensive ****.. http://imgur.com/BpRJSTz no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 25	Posted - 2014.07.12 23:32:00 - [47] - Quote I am competing, but I literally just had power go out across my city 25mins ago. Oh it just came back as I'm typing. Good luck to all competitors, I greatly respect all of you, even the ones I've (sadly) caused to bow out of the contest. You're all honorary brothers and sisters of the praetoriani classiarii templares to me. Stay classy classiarii.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2060	Posted - 2014.07.12 23:34:00 - [48] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Thank you!!!! I never ever ever ever run proto weapons. I always run basic and can out kill a fair share of proto users using my basic gear, I don't run proto due to cash flow, so why only award the greedy PC fat batards? Poorly thought out ccp....poorly thought out PROVES MY POINT this was just the other day...why force people to use the most expensive **.. http://imgur.com/BpRJSTz I know why they're doing it, they want people to burn through the ill-gotten PC ISK so they don't need to ** people off by just saying "No, your ISK isn't following you to Project Legion" Am I saying that I don't agree with you? No. I agree with you entirely. I have chosen to not participate in this event as a display of my distaste for it. I do wish that they would count kills with non-proto weapons, though I also wish they counted kills with equipment too (better believe that I would have RE and Prox named after me if they did!!). Though TBH, I also wish that CCP would just say "No, your Isk/Isk-Assets aren't following you to Project Legion". Yes, I have most of my wealth in my Assets but would I be pissed if they didn't follow me? No, I'd just accumulate them again. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
castba Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 508	Posted - 2014.07.12 23:35:00 - [49] - Quote Boo hoo, this event isn't tailored to me and my abilities, boo hoo. Grow up.
Will Driver Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 134	Posted - 2014.07.12 23:49:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. Has sand, head inserted. GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein

DarthMcFizzle MOOSE-KNUCKLEz CLAN 38	Posted - 2014.07.13 01:26:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. I don't understand what this means, can it be explained? Sometimes english is hard for me
Ghural The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 254	Posted - 2014.07.13 01:50:00 - [52] - Quote Events like this create more losers than they do winners. Personally I'd prefer an event where for a week or so there is an increased chance of getting unique (or new) officer weapons. That way everyone has a chance to win and is rewarded simply by playing. Which, let's face it, is what this game needs right now. More people playing.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1706	Posted - 2014.07.13 01:52:00 - [53] - Quote An event that rewards the most determine and crafty mercs is a bad thing? You sir are a casual.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14581	Posted - 2014.07.13 02:09:00 - [54] - Quote Hand Fap wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. Sshhhh, you'll hurt their ego's. Everyone knows that stompers come to this game to boost their ego since in a truly competitive environment, they just can't compete. Just let them have their fun. yet both of you will get sh*t on if you played one PC. oh wait DUST fiend do you even play dust anymore? why are you here? have you even been in a relevant PC team you scrub? "Relevant PC team" You warm my heart. As if anyone in this game is relevant. It's a niche shooter with a non competitive scene that's taken seriously only by the try hards who make up the "top", of which most abuse mechanics to remain relevant. This game has an exceptionally tiny pool of truly talented FPS players, of which many of that tiny pool have already moved on. I'm here specifically to rustle your jimmies. The Future
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3602	Posted - 2014.07.13 02:31:00 - [55] - Quote Well I certainly suspect they will be checking for boosting. I have been at this for 2 days and still strong!! :D Candidate for CPM1 Go VOTE! Dust514.com They call me Princess Zatata <3
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 611	Posted - 2014.07.13 03:24:00 - [56] - Quote DarthMcFizzle wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. I don't understand what this means, can it be explained? Sometimes english is hard for me waves Yoda over He says he doesn't do windows. Look, a crashed EVE Pod. puts ear to glass He says you can ransom him. Ransom? Meh...shrugs. Nah...just RE it
Hand Fap Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.07.13 03:29:00 - [57] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hand Fap wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. Sshhhh, you'll hurt their ego's. Everyone knows that stompers come to this game to boost their ego since in a truly competitive environment, they just can't compete. Just let them have their fun. yet both of you will get sh*t on if you played one PC. oh wait DUST fiend do you even play dust anymore? why are you here? have you even been in a relevant PC team you scrub? "Relevant PC team" You warm my heart. As if anyone in this game is relevant. It's a niche shooter with a non competitive scene that's taken seriously only by the try hards who make up the "top", of which most abuse mechanics to remain relevant. This game has an exceptionally tiny pool of truly talented FPS players, of which many of that tiny pool have already moved on. And no, I'm not one of those "truly talented FPS players", never have been. I just make my Incubus do things that would make your mother wet. I'm here specifically to rustle your jimmies. a noob like you cant even make other people mad (LOL). Seriously gtfo go get ready for destiny and be irrelevant there and become a forum scrub in their forums and get 14,000 fake likes, oh wait do they even have likes on their forums?
Omega Black Zero Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.07.13 03:46:00 - [58] - Quote So does CCP have plans for an event 100% of the Dust population can enjoy at any point, or will there always be an excluded group each time CCP does an event?
Tesfa Alem ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 155	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:22:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. If you are mature enough to admit that in this game, and in life, there are probably other people who are better than you at something, then that shouldn't bother anyone. Lets say the top 200 slayers in dust feel they have a chance and are going at it. But at any on time theres about 3,000 + players online. Dedicated vehicle users are cut out of the event. Logis are cut off of the event. Casual players and dedicated players are cut off too. Because very very few out of still thousands who long in every day are going to no life a whole weekend to name a weapon. Its geared towards a select group of players as well as people taking advantage of boosting in low populated servers. If i go on oceana and kill a friend 20 -30 times a match and let him kill me three times (before or after removing my proto suit) am i a better player than the adv player who started 2 months a go without SP for a proto gun but much higher kills? The event is ongoing and i wish all the real competitors good luck. I just hope next time the event is more inclusive. It should have been all the weapons in the category and also a point system on what you kill. Killing 30 mlt suits being the equivalnt of 20 adv suits or 10 proto suits. Incentevise killing the diffcult opponents but giving new guys an outside shot fighting weaker ones and rewarding those who kill the stronger suits with weaker ones. People might no life it, but then again alot more people would no life it Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. CPM1 Candidate
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 68	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:28:00 - [60] - Quote bwahaha rattati you have improved this game 10xfold, me and most of the community love the changes that have been implemented. However due scotty the ******** matchmaking ai it isn't 6 proto vs 6 proto ,its more so 9 proto and 7 randoms vs. 3 proto and 13 randoms. i have no proof of this claim ,but ask anybody that is well decent and honest, matchmaking is pure crap not "sometimes crap" pure crap here is a joke, so an amarr scout walks in lol after charlie it will be"oh shlt a amarr scout walked in"

Leanna Boghin Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 200	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:41:00 - [61] - Quote As much as i would like to agree with the OP i just cant do it and here is why. Even if CCP had allowed people to use any level grade weapon people would have still proto stomped the hell out of the event in an effort to win this event. It would have seriously hurt (not helped) the new players and might have very well ruined their experience of the game itself. Think of it this way if CCP had allowed every weapon grade into the event those that couldnt afford proto would have still tried to win the event by using mediocre weaponry and gear ultimately leading to them getting proto stomped by those players able to afford better gear leading to the under geared player not only getting stomped but losing tons of isk in the process. The way CCP did it may exclude the less inexperienced players but it also saves them the beating they would have likely gotten from the veteran players. I let my sniper rifle bullet to your face do all the talking :P
aaaasdff ertgfdd Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 106	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:45:00 - [62] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. If you say its true I will believe it, Im just not seeing it anecdotally. My only critique of this event might have been to limit it to FW and not pubs. That would have left alot of room in pubs for underdeveloped players imo. I do like the idea of this event however. In any case seeing events at all is nice.
Chimichanga66605 Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 171	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:45:00 - [63] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: As much as i would like to agree with the OP i just cant do it and here is why. Even if CCP had allowed people to use any level grade weapon people would have still proto stomped the hell out of the event in an effort to win this event. It would have seriously hurt (not helped) the new players and might have very well ruined their experience of the game itself. Think of it this way if CCP had allowed every weapon grade into the event those that couldnt afford proto would have still tried to win the event by using mediocre weaponry and gear ultimately leading to them getting proto stomped by those players able to afford better gear leading to the under geared player not only getting stomped but losing tons of isk in the process. The way CCP did it may exclude the less inexperienced players but it also saves them the beating they would have likely gotten from the veteran players. ^Pretty much THIS. Mk.0 Specialist, Republic Loyalist "Badassery is not born, but often thrust upon you." -Franklin Delano Roosevelt
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:18:00 - [64] - Quote Chimichanga66605 wrote: Leanna Boghin wrote: As much as i would like to agree with the OP i just cant do it and here is why. Even if CCP had allowed people to use any level grade weapon people would have still proto stomped the hell out of the event in an effort to win this event. It would have seriously hurt (not helped) the new players and might have very well ruined their experience of the game itself. Think of it this way if CCP had allowed every weapon grade into the event those that couldnt afford proto would have still tried to win the event by using mediocre weaponry and gear ultimately leading to them getting proto stomped by those players able to afford better gear leading to the under geared player not only getting stomped but losing tons of isk in the process. The way CCP did it may exclude the less inexperienced players but it also saves them the beating they would have likely gotten from the veteran players. ^Pretty much THIS. i dont think gear matters as much as u make it out to...its just expensive and pretty no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14586	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:30:00 - [65] - Quote Hand Fap wrote: I(LOL). Seriously go get ready for destiny and become an irrelevant forum scrub in their forums and boost your likes to 20,000, oh wait do they even have likes on their forums? Never boosted my likes, I can't help that people enjoy when I make fools like you look foolish The Future
Onesimus Tarsus Company of Marcher Lords Amarr Empire 2303	Posted - 2014.07.13 12:46:00 - [66] - Quote Leanna Boghin wrote: As much as i would like to agree with the OP i just cant do it and here is why. Even if CCP had allowed people to use any level grade weapon people would have still proto stomped the hell out of the event in an effort to win this event. It would have seriously hurt (not helped) the new players and might have very well ruined their experience of the game itself. Think of it this way if CCP had allowed every weapon grade into the event those that couldnt afford proto would have still tried to win the event by using mediocre weaponry and gear ultimately leading to them getting proto stomped by those players able to afford better gear leading to the under geared player not only getting stomped but losing tons of isk in the process. The way CCP did it may exclude the less inexperienced players but it also saves them the beating they would have likely gotten from the veteran players. There are better ways to fix stomping, as if the stompers ever want it to end. K/D(r) WP/D(r) matchmaking fixes the whole game. Period. Beh!
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 13	Posted - 2014.07.13 14:38:00 - [67] - Quote thats it for me my wallet wasnt big enough to name the weapon i use lol back to running all my roles no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3855	Posted - 2014.07.13 15:22:00 - [68] - Quote Aeon Amadi wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. Mind checking the logs between 07:00 - 10:00 GMT...? My squad literally fought the same team four times in a row... Balanced fight, sure, but only because we were literally fighting the same people over and over again. Even waited a few minutes in the quarters to see if we could get into a different match and as soon as we queued it threw us into a match with those guys. Nothing against Opus Arcana, they're great guys and a real challenge to fight against but I like a little variety in my life... I enjoy heavy spam. Be vigilant!, for there are those that remove the teabag BEFORE adding milk!. This is unacceptable!.
alten hilt Legio DXIV 361	Posted - 2014.07.13 16:28:00 - [69] - Quote I've lost 75 mil ISK since the start of this event, and that's usually going 15 -3, or 15-4 with a plasma cannon. By almost any measure I can think of (except for ISK efficiency), I'm playing well, but losing a lot of money. I am also disappointed that this event effectively excluded the new players. While I understand that not every event can accommodate every playstyle, this one could have included every infantry player. But if your goal was to create a huge ISK sink for closed beta vets with lots of leftover ISK, Slow clap Mission Accomplished. Surviving Dust: Tutorial Series
aaaasdff ertgfdd 121	Posted - 2014.07.13 16:31:00 - [70] - Quote alten hilt wrote: I've lost 75 mil ISK since the start of this event, and that's usually going 15 -3, or 15-4 with a plasma cannon. By almost any measure I can think of (except for ISK efficiency), I'm playing well, but losing a lot of money. I am also disappointed that this event effectively excluded the new players. While I understand that not every event can accommodate every playstyle, this one could have included every infantry player. But if your goal was to create a huge ISK sink for closed beta vets with lots of leftover ISK, Slow clap Mission Accomplished. Thats why I bought 1000 fearcrops, spend aur, no isk worries. INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC/ Peaceful Pirate No Dagger Just Swagger/ Num1 AHole in Dust/ Politically Incorrect MAN

Gelhad Thremyr Never 2 Late 324	Posted - 2014.07.13 16:50:00 - [71] - Quote CEOPyrex CloneA wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. If you are mature enough to admit that in this game, and in life, there are probably other people who are better than you at something, then that shouldn't bother anyone. If you are aware enough to admit that the majority of the eventual winners were boosting on Oceania Server while the remainder of the playerbase ground each others resolve with both this game and event, perhaps this would have been perhaps, in the check and balance of things, a bad idea? Lol before the event started i told my friends to do just that, i dont hqve the luxury of doing it and them also, but we had the same conclusion, the game is made in a way that it doesnt even check for the situp guys so will they even know if the kills are legit, no...so please do not go there with the there is better people than us... Lol indeed !
Ghural The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 255	Posted - 2014.07.15 05:09:00 - [72] - Quote What're you guys talking about. This event is amazing! An opportunity to name a weapon in a game that is being discontinued ... oh gee whiz YAY!
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6538	Posted - 2014.07.15 05:15:00 - [73] - Quote OP I think you answered your own question in the Title. Because CCP see you space cowboy...
SAIRAX SIS Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 108	Posted - 2014.07.15 05:30:00 - [74] - Quote TechMechMeds wrote: I enjoy heavy spam. lol i do it too. KinCat Heavy and rep Logi f^^^in combo, LAV and HMG combo, Assault Scouts, all seeing Gal logi Scanning Spam, redline rail on mountain, blueberry bad uplink respawn kills in Amb, noob snipers and mlt needle, we enjoy it :) :) :). Of course,kill side lol ...please fix them. yoroshiku ne !pÇÇpÇÇCute Cat NyaoooonpÇÇGÖ¬
I-Shayz-I I----------I 4081	Posted - 2014.07.15 06:11:00 - [75] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. I had 50 million isk at the beginning of the event and am now up to 67 million isk from this event. I have been running full proto and have even been paying logistics players to keep me alive. Rattati is completely correct here. As for why you can't use basic or advanced weapons...well you'd basically be risking NOTHING in order to compete for OFFICER weapons. Not only that, but those that aren't skilled into the weapon to use the proto variant shouldn't be competing in the first place. AGAIN, if you aren't skilled enough to use proto that you'd actually LOSE isk by doing so, you shouldn't be the one to have the ability to name it. A player who just spams their way to victory that rushes in with the militia weapon and damage mods getting 10-15 kills per match and 20 deaths shouldn't be the one to win the event. In fact, I only went through less than 150 of my fittings. Considering I played enough matches to make 17 million isk, and my fitting only cost a bit over 100k, I made more back than I spent. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Ace Mercenary The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar DARKSTAR ARMY 5	Posted - 2014.07.15 09:14:00 - [76] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: why couldnt they make it and not exclude 90% of the community and create a giant afk fest push most of the newer players away like all you had to do was make it so any lvl of weapon could be used so everyone could participate and not just the isk loaded old pc hoarders. i dunno the battlefields are just stale i have to roll with 5 other proto vets to stand a chance because im constantly bumping into full proto squads...and because of the event if i want my kills to count i have to make them ina expensive suit.. i dunno ccp just really seems like this event could have been allot better. all levels of weapons and suits should have been able to compete I actually like this event I can make more protos cry
501st Headstrong G0DS AM0NG MEN General Tso's Alliance 283	Posted - 2014.07.15 12:06:00 - [77] - Quote Anyone have any tips for the event? I'm doing it for the final weekend lol From the Clone Wars I came. Here, I am a man among tamed beasts, and a god...among men. CEO of G0DS AM0NG MEN
Cenex Langly Dude.Man.Bro 775	Posted - 2014.07.15 12:31:00 - [78] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. You truly need to actually play the game mr Rattati lol... Newb
Cenex Langly Dude.Man.Bro 775	Posted - 2014.07.15 12:37:00 - [79] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: AGAIN, if you aren't skilled enough to use proto that you'd actually LOSE isk by doing so, you shouldn't be the one to have the ability to name it. A player who just spams their way to victory that rushes in with the militia weapon and damage mods getting 10-15 kills per match and 20 deaths shouldn't be the one to win the event. This part of your quote.. I have to disagree with ... "If you aren't skilled enough"... Let me tell you about skill in this game. It's irrelevant. When you can get Orbitaled on spawn. Shotgunned on spawn. Remote Explosive'd on spawn all before you even realize what the heck is going on... Skill means nothing in those situations. This happens to me about.. 3-4 times in a match. I die before I even get the opportunity to fight back. Sometimes I walk 10 feet and BAM I'm dead from a sniper right after I was killed by a tank or run over by a jeep just after spawning because some moron kept his jeep over an uplink... So skill.. No. The game mechanics prevent people from being able to play at their skill level, and those that abuse those game mechanics are the ones that benefit from this and make money like you do. I'm in the RED every single match even in my advanced tier gear because of bad game mechanics. The payout is abysmal and it doesn't allow the player to be good with an average amount of deaths. So no. I disagree with you 100% Oh. And for the record I average 10-20 kills per match with 8-9 deaths and pretty much I'm number 1 in my team with over 1500 WP making 300-400k ISK per match and I'm still in the negative... So yeah... no. Newb
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2014.07.15 13:05:00 - [80] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: AGAIN, if you aren't skilled enough to use proto that you'd actually LOSE isk by doing so, you shouldn't be the one to have the ability to name it. A player who just spams their way to victory that rushes in with the militia weapon and damage mods getting 10-15 kills per match and 20 deaths shouldn't be the one to win the event. This part of your quote.. I have to disagree with ... "If you aren't skilled enough"... Let me tell you about skill in this game. It's irrelevant. When you can get Orbitaled on spawn. Shotgunned on spawn. Remote Explosive'd on spawn all before you even realize what the heck is going on... Skill means nothing in those situations. This happens to me about.. 3-4 times in a match. I die before I even get the opportunity to fight back. Sometimes I walk 10 feet and BAM I'm dead from a sniper right after I was killed by a tank or run over by a jeep just after spawning because some moron kept his jeep over an uplink... So skill.. No. The game mechanics prevent people from being able to play at their skill level, and those that abuse those game mechanics are the ones that benefit from this and make money like you do. I'm in the RED every single match even in my advanced tier gear because of bad game mechanics. The payout is abysmal and it doesn't allow the player to be good with an average amount of deaths. So no. I disagree with you 100% Oh. And for the record I average 10-20 kills per match with 8-9 deaths and pretty much I'm number 1 in my team with over 1500 WP making 300-400k ISK per match and I'm still in the negative... So yeah... no. then you have the fact that most of the weapons are underpowered,...some of them like laser almost require the assault to run..or at least the commando neither of which are scouts...which means massive death. unless again your wallet is big enough to afford it...or you have logis following you around... tbh im pissed because even though i wasnt gunna win because ccp made this event to cater towards people with pc isk...i didnt even get a fair shot because they crashed the servers on my only weekend... ccp should extend this event by another weekend for those of us that had our attempt ruined by there faulty server. no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave

Maximus Stryker Who Are Those Guys 1013	Posted - 2014.07.15 13:23:00 - [81] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. my point at least if they're weapons counted they would feel as if they hada chance. just seems like an event meant for old closed beta vets and at the cost of scrubs nope, it is just an event with/for people who are at the top tier of the game. Are you honestly arguing for an event to benefit 100% of players? If you are, that is a big mistake. No event caters to everyone, some events are focused on Light Weapons, some are for logi's, some are for scouts etc. etc. It is perfectly acceptable for a specific event to be more rewarding to a certain segment of the population, it just needs to balance out by way of having different events be more rewarding to different segments. Best Idea For Legion
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 22	Posted - 2014.07.15 13:32:00 - [82] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. my point at least if they're weapons counted they would feel as if they hada chance. just seems like an event meant for old closed beta vets and at the cost of scrubs nope, it is just an event with/for people who are at the top tier of the game. Are you honestly arguing for an event to benefit 100% of players? If you are, that is a big mistake. No event caters to everyone, some events are focused on Light Weapons, some are for logi's, some are for scouts etc. etc. It is perfectly acceptable for a specific event to be more rewarding to a certain segment of the population, it just needs to balance out by way of having different events be more rewarding to different segments. i disagree...this event is about naming officer weapons but instead of..having the best with any one weapon name it they are having the one with the biggest wallet whos good with it name it... thats not right i dont want an event that caters to everyone i want an event to do what it says this event is supposed to be about the best naming the officer weapons... when did skill amount to..oldest fotm harvesters and pc harvesters stomping the **** out of newbs who have no reason to compete? or even fight back...most of the weekend half my team was either afking or sitting on the redline sniping. it was boring it catered towards wallet size not skill...i dont mind ccp making an event for the people with the biggest wallets but thats what they should say..not an event to have the best witha weapon..name the officer variant..because thats not what they gave us..what they gave us was an event where those with fortunes and mountains of isk can spam proto gear regardless of actual skill and compete for kill counts. i think someone who can kill 60 people in their standard suit..with their standard weapon should be recognized...above someone that can do the same ina proto suit...tell me who do you respect more and consider more skilled? the guy who stomps you in standard gear...or the one who stomps you in their proto suit?.. simple matter of fact...this event is not a measure of who is best with any given weapon. but of who has the biggest wallet i dont really think its arguable... if the event were about the one with most skill in the weapon all weapons would be valid cept maybe mlt...and kdr performance would count. in my opinion stnd weapon kills should count for more than proto weapon kills during this event....after all they are harder to kill with they do require more skill...so not only should they count...but they should count more than proto kills no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
Tesfa Alem ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 158	Posted - 2014.07.15 22:33:00 - [83] - Quote I-Shayz-I wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. I had 50 million isk at the beginning of the event and am now up to 67 million isk from this event. I have been running full proto and have even been paying logistics players to keep me alive. Rattati is completely correct here. As for why you can't use basic or advanced weapons...well you'd basically be risking NOTHING in order to compete for OFFICER weapons. Not only that, but those that aren't skilled into the weapon to use the proto variant shouldn't be competing in the first place. AGAIN, if you aren't skilled enough to use proto that you'd actually LOSE isk by doing so, you shouldn't be the one to have the ability to name it. A player who just spams their way to victory that rushes in with the militia weapon and damage mods getting 10-15 kills per match and 20 deaths shouldn't be the one to win the event. In fact, I only went through less than 150 of my fittings. Considering I played enough matches to make 17 million isk, and my fitting only cost a bit over 100k, I made more back than I spent. Paying logis to keep you alive, it is thier skills made you that isk not your own skills with a rifle. And they are excluded from the event. Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. CPM1 Candidate
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 23	Posted - 2014.07.15 22:35:00 - [84] - Quote Tesfa Alem wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. I had 50 million isk at the beginning of the event and am now up to 67 million isk from this event. I have been running full proto and have even been paying logistics players to keep me alive. Rattati is completely correct here. As for why you can't use basic or advanced weapons...well you'd basically be risking NOTHING in order to compete for OFFICER weapons. Not only that, but those that aren't skilled into the weapon to use the proto variant shouldn't be competing in the first place. AGAIN, if you aren't skilled enough to use proto that you'd actually LOSE isk by doing so, you shouldn't be the one to have the ability to name it. A player who just spams their way to victory that rushes in with the militia weapon and damage mods getting 10-15 kills per match and 20 deaths shouldn't be the one to win the event. In fact, I only went through less than 150 of my fittings. Considering I played enough matches to make 17 million isk, and my fitting only cost a bit over 100k, I made more back than I spent. Paying logis to keep you alive, it is thier skills made you that isk not your own skills with a rifle. And they are excluded from the event. wow 150 proto fitting and barely flinches...and then of course you ran in you logi squad......fact is this event is about who has the most isk not whos best with something..or it would include all levels of the weapons as ive said from day 1 no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 93	Posted - 2014.07.15 23:27:00 - [85] - Quote Cenex Langly wrote: I-Shayz-I wrote: AGAIN, if you aren't skilled enough to use proto that you'd actually LOSE isk by doing so, you shouldn't be the one to have the ability to name it. A player who just spams their way to victory that rushes in with the militia weapon and damage mods getting 10-15 kills per match and 20 deaths shouldn't be the one to win the event. This part of your quote.. I have to disagree with ... "If you aren't skilled enough"... Let me tell you about skill in this game. It's irrelevant. When you can get Orbitaled on spawn. Shotgunned on spawn. Remote Explosive'd on spawn all before you even realize what the heck is going on... Skill means nothing in those situations. This happens to me about.. 3-4 times in a match. I die before I even get the opportunity to fight back. Sometimes I walk 10 feet and BAM I'm dead from a sniper right after I was killed by a tank or run over by a jeep just after spawning because some moron kept his jeep over an uplink... So skill.. No. The game mechanics prevent people from being able to play at their skill level, and those that abuse those game mechanics are the ones that benefit from this and make money like you do. I'm in the RED every single match even in my advanced tier gear because of bad game mechanics. The payout is abysmal and it doesn't allow the player to be good with an average amount of deaths. So no. I disagree with you 100% Oh. And for the record I average 10-20 kills per match with 8-9 deaths and pretty much I'm number 1 in my team with over 1500 WP making 300-400k ISK per match and I'm still in the negative... So yeah... no. Maybe you should reevaluate your playstyle. I go ISK positive in almost all of my matches. I use almost exclusively ADV gear and using PRO is usually what makes me go ISK negative. Your first step should be to concentrate on ISK conservation. Start by using cheap as dirt suits, then slowly increase in cost, until you are ISK stable. At the same time, don't worry about killing the enemy, so much as staying alive. Spawn in only safe spots, for instance. Don't be afraid to run if you think you'll lose a 1v1 fight. If you do these things, you should start to see your wallet slowly increase. CPM1 Candidate Youtube
Matticus Monk Ordus Trismegistus 2075	Posted - 2014.07.16 00:14:00 - [86] - Quote Gotta say, I didn't even try for this. There are too many ISK loaded no-lifers to really compete wtih. These will be the champions to leave their mark on new eden. A regular joe like me wouldn't stand a chance. I'm okay with it but I hope the next even will be something I can get in on. I haven't been getting stomped much more than usual though so I think Rattati's response is in line with my experience. Double posting like a Kaiser.
Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 322	Posted - 2014.07.16 00:19:00 - [87] - Quote Even if the playing field was "leveled" in this contest, you would still have gotten wrecked. Naming an officer weapon? Of course the wolves are going to come out in packs and attack viciously to be immortalized in a piece of Dust lore. That's just how it goes young man. No big deal.
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2014.07.16 00:23:00 - [88] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Even if the playing field was "leveled" in this contest, you would still have gotten wrecked. Naming an officer weapon? Of course the wolves are going to come out in packs and attack viciously to be immortalized in a piece of Dust lore. That's just how it goes young man. No big deal. who are you talking to no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
Juno Tristan Inner.Hell 35	Posted - 2014.07.16 09:36:00 - [89] - Quote emtbraincase wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. You are greatly discounting how influential isk can be in what constitutes someone's "best" suit. The best suit I can personally fit is ~300k. If I have 20mil isk on hand (because maybe I like vehicles alot but don't do it well, so don't pile up isk for a rainy day since I can get it outside vehicles) I can run this suit for awhile, but losing 1 suit causes me to go isk negative, and a 15-1 match is hardly doing poorly (and likely able to be in the running). I believe this character would fall in your definition of a "Bad" player, since any # kills and 1 death in this suit is technically isk negative since most matches will be around or under 300k. There is an occasional match where you get 400k+, but averaged out it will fall to less than 300k. Now assume I have 1 bilion isk. How many times can I come back in with that suit before I even consider it being an issue (the answer is more than there is time in a weekend, even playing 24/7). Therefore no matter how hard I try, I gotta go 2 games with only 1 death to stand a chance at maintaining a wallet, while the old PC farmers can literally go 16-21 in that same match and I would be behind in kills. But according to your setup, I would be the worse player. I understand this is a hypothetical, in almost every sense (I am a logi not a slayer, I doubt an old-school PC farmer would go 15-21 but even 16-3 still proves my point, and I have no intention of even trying for these as I know my limitations), but in every sense of this "challenge", the advantages go to those with the largest wallets and not the most skilled, since overall kills matter to the detriment of smart and effective play to minimize casualties. You can disagree with many things, but these are absolutes. It is possible that someone who only loses 1 suit a match will win, but more than likely that will only be the sniper. Either you have very cheap "full proto" fits, or you have never ran a suit as expensive as I can run. I don't, because I'm not an idiot who thinks he can only lose 1 suit every 2-3 matches, but I do break it out when I got isk to burn. Which is exactly what PC farmers have in abundance. To win this you will need a mountain of isk to keep your best suit on the field, regardless of difficulty and cost. Having a fat wallet will only give you an advantage to getting into the top 50, the person who wins will have spent far more time killing than watching the spawn timer count down. They will have earned it, through skill and (way) too much dedication
The-Errorist SVER True Blood 793	Posted - 2014.07.16 10:22:00 - [90] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Guessing by the lack of CCP reply to these questions, there really is no excuse. MAG + Dust cb vet, an alt of Velvet Overkill & Agent Overkill. http://vimeo.com/93181621

Mikey Ducati Resheph Interstellar Strategy Gallente Federation 329	Posted - 2014.07.16 10:29:00 - [91] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Even if the playing field was "leveled" in this contest, you would still have gotten wrecked. Naming an officer weapon? Of course the wolves are going to come out in packs and attack viciously to be immortalized in a piece of Dust lore. That's just how it goes young man. No big deal. who are you talking to You're getting warmer...
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 185	Posted - 2014.07.16 11:14:00 - [92] - Quote Maximus Stryker wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. my point at least if they're weapons counted they would feel as if they hada chance. just seems like an event meant for old closed beta vets and at the cost of scrubs nope, it is just an event with/for people who are at the top tier of the game. Are you honestly arguing for an event to benefit 100% of players? If you are, that is a big mistake. No event caters to everyone, some events are focused on Light Weapons, some are for logi's, some are for scouts etc. etc. It is perfectly acceptable for a specific event to be more rewarding to a certain segment of the population, it just needs to balance out by way of having different events be more rewarding to different segments. Did I miss the logi event ? GÇ£Their stupidity does not amaze me, its when they're smart that amazes me." GÇò Frank Zappa
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 27	Posted - 2014.07.16 12:32:00 - [93] - Quote Mikey Ducati wrote: Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Mikey Ducati wrote: Even if the playing field was "leveled" in this contest, you would still have gotten wrecked. Naming an officer weapon? Of course the wolves are going to come out in packs and attack viciously to be immortalized in a piece of Dust lore. That's just how it goes young man. No big deal. who are you talking to You're getting warmer... -_- your confusing ..and im notta young man.. you old fart no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave


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