DUST Search - why couldnt ccp make this event enjoyable

DUST Fiend wrote:

Hand Fap wrote:

DUST Fiend wrote:

Henchmen21 wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Pirate

Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good.

Sshhhh, you'll hurt their ego's. Everyone knows that stompers come to this game to boost their ego since in a truly competitive environment, they just can't compete. Just let them have their fun.

yet both of you will get sh*t on if you played one PC. oh wait DUST fiend do you even play dust anymore? why are you here? have you even been in a relevant PC team you scrub?

"Relevant PC team"

You warm my heart.

As if anyone in this game is relevant. It's a niche shooter with a non competitive scene that's taken seriously only by the try hards who make up the "top", of which most abuse mechanics to remain relevant. This game has an exceptionally tiny pool of truly talented FPS players, of which many of that tiny pool have already moved on.

And no, I'm not one of those "truly talented FPS players", never have been. I just make my Incubus do things that would make your mother wet.

I'm here specifically to rustle your jimmies.

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CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 4066	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:15:00 - [31] - Quote Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 176	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:17:00 - [32] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. my point at least if they're weapons counted they would feel as if they hada chance. just seems like an event meant for old closed beta vets and at the cost of scrubs I don't disagree, I think that everything except militia should have been included. GÇ£Their stupidity does not amaze me, its when they're smart that amazes me." GÇò Frank Zappa
Hand Fap Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 5	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:17:00 - [33] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. Sshhhh, you'll hurt their ego's. Everyone knows that stompers come to this game to boost their ego since in a truly competitive environment, they just can't compete. Just let them have their fun. yet both of you will get sht on if you played one PC. oh wait DUST fiend do you even play dust anymore? why are you here? trying to boost your ego trying to talk down on players who can rpe you?
Hawkings Greenback Red Star. EoN. 176	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:25:00 - [34] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. If you are mature enough to admit that in this game, and in life, there are probably other people who are better than you at something, then that shouldn't bother anyone. I actually include myself in that comment There is a small core of extremely good players in this game which the rest of us are here to try & not die too. GÇ£Their stupidity does not amaze me, its when they're smart that amazes me." GÇò Frank Zappa
The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA The DOT MAFIA 42	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:31:00 - [35] - Quote Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. You forgot the high latency players with mods.
Argetlam Thorson Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance 92	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:33:00 - [36] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. I usually don't go ISK positive in proto gear. That being said, outside of this event I usually didn't use proto except in PC. I wouldn't have even had to be a PC player to have enough ISK to participate, as my advanced setups made me ISK positive enough to have millions saved up. PC funds helped, but you need not be a PC player or even ISK positive to be a contender. You just need to have managed your money well beforehand. CPM1 Candidate Youtube
The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA The DOT MAFIA 42	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:36:00 - [37] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. Fix the netcode, and then make judgements about skill. This game is a joke in it's present state due to it's attraction of FPS wannabe's-who on their best days are mediocre on AAA titles, but in DUST are "YOUR" good players.
Hand Fap Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:40:00 - [38] - Quote The-DON of-DOT-MAFIA wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. Fix the netcode, and then make judgements about skill. This game is a joke in it's present state due to it's attraction of FPS wannabe's-who on their best days are mediocre on AAA titles, but in DUST are "YOUR" good players. doubt it because there are some mlg players still around, like regnyum, djinn kujo, kalante, alex, to name a few. Seriously what dream world do you people live on?
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11379	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:49:00 - [39] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Guessing by the lack of CCP reply to these questions, there really is no excuse. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Guiltless D667 43	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:50:00 - [40] - Quote Because CCP cant make events(at least not this often) and just shuffle around player's interests to prompt the buying of aurm gear/boosters.There hasnt been a worth while event in a long time, the ones you remember for months after,the ones you can actally see work was put into them (Caldari prime,Amarr templar etc). A Strange Game.

Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2059	Posted - 2014.07.12 21:52:00 - [41] - Quote shaman oga wrote: This event is not enjoyable, i have a lot of different proto weapons, but i don't even bother to partecipate, i'm not a killer, i just play normally and there is no reward for all of us that do not play as slayers. ^^this "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
Rynoceros Rise Of Old Dudes 4289	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:03:00 - [42] - Quote Need ideas for fun events? Refer back to Mordu's Challenge. That's the last one I remember that wasn't a mega grind or a direct, obvious reach for my wallet. PSN: The_Rynoceros Destiny beta SoonGäó Console Master Race
Fire of Prometheus Alpha Response Command 5249	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:18:00 - [43] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Thank you!!!! I never ever ever ever run proto weapons. I always run basic and can out kill a fair share of proto users using my basic gear, I don't run proto due to cash flow, so why only award the greedy PC fat batards? Poorly thought out ccp....poorly thought out I can use all 4 proto commandos ^.^ CCP, at least fix my ck.0 commandos colour scheme...he looks like the Michelin man
Syeven Reed G0DS AM0NG MEN 758	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:19:00 - [44] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. Yeah but people only get good by spending a lot of ISK on proto in the first place. Twitter MajLagSpike CPM Application
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 194	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:26:00 - [45] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. You are greatly discounting how influential isk can be in what constitutes someone's "best" suit. The best suit I can personally fit is ~300k. If I have 20mil isk on hand (because maybe I like vehicles alot but don't do it well, so don't pile up isk for a rainy day since I can get it outside vehicles) I can run this suit for awhile, but losing 1 suit causes me to go isk negative, and a 15-1 match is hardly doing poorly (and likely able to be in the running). I believe this character would fall in your definition of a "Bad" player, since any # kills and 1 death in this suit is technically isk negative since most matches will be around or under 300k. There is an occasional match where you get 400k+, but averaged out it will fall to less than 300k. Now assume I have 1 bilion isk. How many times can I come back in with that suit before I even consider it being an issue (the answer is more than there is time in a weekend, even playing 24/7). Therefore no matter how hard I try, I gotta go 2 games with only 1 death to stand a chance at maintaining a wallet, while the old PC farmers can literally go 16-21 in that same match and I would be behind in kills. But according to your setup, I would be the worse player. I understand this is a hypothetical, in almost every sense (I am a logi not a slayer, I doubt an old-school PC farmer would go 15-21 but even 16-3 still proves my point, and I have no intention of even trying for these as I know my limitations), but in every sense of this "challenge", the advantages go to those with the largest wallets and not the most skilled, since overall kills matter to the detriment of smart and effective play to minimize casualties. You can disagree with many things, but these are absolutes. It is possible that someone who only loses 1 suit a match will win, but more than likely that will only be the sniper. Either you have very cheap "full proto" fits, or you have never ran a suit as expensive as I can run. I don't, because I'm not an idiot who thinks he can only lose 1 suit every 2-3 matches, but I do break it out when I got isk to burn. Which is exactly what PC farmers have in abundance. To win this you will need a mountain of isk to keep your best suit on the field, regardless of difficulty and cost.
Maiden selena MORTIMOR Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 10	Posted - 2014.07.12 22:55:00 - [46] - Quote Fire of Prometheus wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Thank you!!!! I never ever ever ever run proto weapons. I always run basic and can out kill a fair share of proto users using my basic gear, I don't run proto due to cash flow, so why only award the greedy PC fat batards? Poorly thought out ccp....poorly thought out PROVES MY POINT this was just the other day...why force people to use the most expensive ****.. http://imgur.com/BpRJSTz no im not a mortedeamor alt..im her slave
Malleus Malificorum Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 25	Posted - 2014.07.12 23:32:00 - [47] - Quote I am competing, but I literally just had power go out across my city 25mins ago. Oh it just came back as I'm typing. Good luck to all competitors, I greatly respect all of you, even the ones I've (sadly) caused to bow out of the contest. You're all honorary brothers and sisters of the praetoriani classiarii templares to me. Stay classy classiarii.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2060	Posted - 2014.07.12 23:34:00 - [48] - Quote Maiden selena MORTIMOR wrote: Fire of Prometheus wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: Why the hell are only proto weapon kills eligible? If someone is able to outkill a proto user by having the handicap of a lesser gear, then the lesser gear user is even more deserving. Why aren't kills with eligible weapons from the same category not counted together (example: ISK proto AR kills + LP proto AR kills)? This event is fundamentally poorly, unfairly, and irrationally designed. I'd love to here the BS rationalizations. Thank you!!!! I never ever ever ever run proto weapons. I always run basic and can out kill a fair share of proto users using my basic gear, I don't run proto due to cash flow, so why only award the greedy PC fat batards? Poorly thought out ccp....poorly thought out PROVES MY POINT this was just the other day...why force people to use the most expensive **.. http://imgur.com/BpRJSTz I know why they're doing it, they want people to burn through the ill-gotten PC ISK so they don't need to ** people off by just saying "No, your ISK isn't following you to Project Legion" Am I saying that I don't agree with you? No. I agree with you entirely. I have chosen to not participate in this event as a display of my distaste for it. I do wish that they would count kills with non-proto weapons, though I also wish they counted kills with equipment too (better believe that I would have RE and Prox named after me if they did!!). Though TBH, I also wish that CCP would just say "No, your Isk/Isk-Assets aren't following you to Project Legion". Yes, I have most of my wealth in my Assets but would I be pissed if they didn't follow me? No, I'd just accumulate them again. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire
castba Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 508	Posted - 2014.07.12 23:35:00 - [49] - Quote Boo hoo, this event isn't tailored to me and my abilities, boo hoo. Grow up.
Will Driver Horizons' Edge Proficiency V. 134	Posted - 2014.07.12 23:49:00 - [50] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward. Has sand, head inserted. GÇ£Creativity is knowing how to hide your sourcesGÇ¥ GÇò Albert Einstein

DarthMcFizzle MOOSE-KNUCKLEz CLAN 38	Posted - 2014.07.13 01:26:00 - [51] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. I don't understand what this means, can it be explained? Sometimes english is hard for me
Ghural The Southern Legion Final Resolution. 254	Posted - 2014.07.13 01:50:00 - [52] - Quote Events like this create more losers than they do winners. Personally I'd prefer an event where for a week or so there is an increased chance of getting unique (or new) officer weapons. That way everyone has a chance to win and is rewarded simply by playing. Which, let's face it, is what this game needs right now. More people playing.
Pvt Numnutz Prophets of the Velocirapture 1706	Posted - 2014.07.13 01:52:00 - [53] - Quote An event that rewards the most determine and crafty mercs is a bad thing? You sir are a casual.
DUST Fiend Onslaught Inc RISE of LEGION 14581	Posted - 2014.07.13 02:09:00 - [54] - Quote Hand Fap wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. Sshhhh, you'll hurt their ego's. Everyone knows that stompers come to this game to boost their ego since in a truly competitive environment, they just can't compete. Just let them have their fun. yet both of you will get sh*t on if you played one PC. oh wait DUST fiend do you even play dust anymore? why are you here? have you even been in a relevant PC team you scrub? "Relevant PC team" You warm my heart. As if anyone in this game is relevant. It's a niche shooter with a non competitive scene that's taken seriously only by the try hards who make up the "top", of which most abuse mechanics to remain relevant. This game has an exceptionally tiny pool of truly talented FPS players, of which many of that tiny pool have already moved on. I'm here specifically to rustle your jimmies. The Future
Zatara Rought Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 3602	Posted - 2014.07.13 02:31:00 - [55] - Quote Well I certainly suspect they will be checking for boosting. I have been at this for 2 days and still strong!! :D Candidate for CPM1 Go VOTE! Dust514.com They call me Princess Zatata <3
IVIaster LUKE Shadow Company HQ Lokun Listamenn 611	Posted - 2014.07.13 03:24:00 - [56] - Quote DarthMcFizzle wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise. I don't understand what this means, can it be explained? Sometimes english is hard for me waves Yoda over He says he doesn't do windows. Look, a crashed EVE Pod. puts ear to glass He says you can ransom him. Ransom? Meh...shrugs. Nah...just RE it
Hand Fap Kirkinen Risk Control Caldari State 6	Posted - 2014.07.13 03:29:00 - [57] - Quote DUST Fiend wrote: Hand Fap wrote: DUST Fiend wrote: Henchmen21 wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. Because people who AFK farmed and locked their districts for months in PC truly are the definition of good. Sshhhh, you'll hurt their ego's. Everyone knows that stompers come to this game to boost their ego since in a truly competitive environment, they just can't compete. Just let them have their fun. yet both of you will get sh*t on if you played one PC. oh wait DUST fiend do you even play dust anymore? why are you here? have you even been in a relevant PC team you scrub? "Relevant PC team" You warm my heart. As if anyone in this game is relevant. It's a niche shooter with a non competitive scene that's taken seriously only by the try hards who make up the "top", of which most abuse mechanics to remain relevant. This game has an exceptionally tiny pool of truly talented FPS players, of which many of that tiny pool have already moved on. And no, I'm not one of those "truly talented FPS players", never have been. I just make my Incubus do things that would make your mother wet. I'm here specifically to rustle your jimmies. a noob like you cant even make other people mad (LOL). Seriously gtfo go get ready for destiny and be irrelevant there and become a forum scrub in their forums and get 14,000 fake likes, oh wait do they even have likes on their forums?
Omega Black Zero Condotta Rouvenor Gallente Federation 72	Posted - 2014.07.13 03:46:00 - [58] - Quote So does CCP have plans for an event 100% of the Dust population can enjoy at any point, or will there always be an excluded group each time CCP does an event?
Tesfa Alem ACME SPECIAL FORCES RISE of LEGION 155	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:22:00 - [59] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Hawkings Greenback wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: If you are good enough to be competing for a weapon, you have more than enough ISK. If you can't go isk positive in proto, you aren't going to win anyway. This certainly rules me out. And 90% of dust players. If you are mature enough to admit that in this game, and in life, there are probably other people who are better than you at something, then that shouldn't bother anyone. Lets say the top 200 slayers in dust feel they have a chance and are going at it. But at any on time theres about 3,000 + players online. Dedicated vehicle users are cut out of the event. Logis are cut off of the event. Casual players and dedicated players are cut off too. Because very very few out of still thousands who long in every day are going to no life a whole weekend to name a weapon. Its geared towards a select group of players as well as people taking advantage of boosting in low populated servers. If i go on oceana and kill a friend 20 -30 times a match and let him kill me three times (before or after removing my proto suit) am i a better player than the adv player who started 2 months a go without SP for a proto gun but much higher kills? The event is ongoing and i wish all the real competitors good luck. I just hope next time the event is more inclusive. It should have been all the weapons in the category and also a point system on what you kill. Killing 30 mlt suits being the equivalnt of 20 adv suits or 10 proto suits. Incentevise killing the diffcult opponents but giving new guys an outside shot fighting weaker ones and rewarding those who kill the stronger suits with weaker ones. People might no life it, but then again alot more people would no life it Redline for Thee, but no Redline for Me. CPM1 Candidate
iKILLu osborne Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 68	Posted - 2014.07.13 04:28:00 - [60] - Quote bwahaha rattati you have improved this game 10xfold, me and most of the community love the changes that have been implemented. However due scotty the ******** matchmaking ai it isn't 6 proto vs 6 proto ,its more so 9 proto and 7 randoms vs. 3 proto and 13 randoms. i have no proof of this claim ,but ask anybody that is well decent and honest, matchmaking is pure crap not "sometimes crap" pure crap here is a joke, so an amarr scout walks in lol after charlie it will be"oh shlt a amarr scout walked in"



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