There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward.

As much as i would like to agree with the OP i just cant do it and here is why. Even if CCP had allowed people to use any level grade weapon people would have still proto stomped the hell out of the event in an effort to win this event. It would have seriously hurt (not helped) the new players and might have very well ruined their experience of the game itself. Think of it this way if CCP had allowed every weapon grade into the event those that couldnt afford proto would have still tried to win the event by using mediocre weaponry and gear ultimately leading to them getting proto stomped by those players able to afford better gear leading to the under geared player not only getting stomped but losing tons of isk in the process. The way CCP did it may exclude the less inexperienced players but it also saves them the beating they would have likely gotten from the veteran players.

^Pretty much THIS.

I(LOL). Seriously go get ready for destiny and become an irrelevant forum scrub in their forums and boost your likes to 20,000, oh wait do they even have likes on their forums?

As much as i would like to agree with the OP i just cant do it and here is why. Even if CCP had allowed people to use any level grade weapon people would have still proto stomped the hell out of the event in an effort to win this event. It would have seriously hurt (not helped) the new players and might have very well ruined their experience of the game itself. Think of it this way if CCP had allowed every weapon grade into the event those that couldnt afford proto would have still tried to win the event by using mediocre weaponry and gear ultimately leading to them getting proto stomped by those players able to afford better gear leading to the under geared player not only getting stomped but losing tons of isk in the process. The way CCP did it may exclude the less inexperienced players but it also saves them the beating they would have likely gotten from the veteran players.

Mind checking the logs between 07:00 - 10:00 GMT...? My squad literally fought the same team four times in a row... Balanced fight, sure, but only because we were literally fighting the same people over and over again. Even waited a few minutes in the quarters to see if we could get into a different match and as soon as we queued it threw us into a match with those guys.

Nothing against Opus Arcana, they're great guys and a real challenge to fight against but I like a little variety in my life...

I've lost 75 mil ISK since the start of this event, and that's usually going 15 -3, or 15-4 with a plasma cannon. By almost any measure I can think of (except for ISK efficiency), I'm playing well, but losing a lot of money.

I am also disappointed that this event effectively excluded the new players. While I understand that not every event can accommodate every playstyle, this one could have included every infantry player.

But if your goal was to create a huge ISK sink for closed beta vets with lots of leftover ISK, *Slow clap* Mission Accomplished.

If you are aware enough to admit that the majority of the eventual winners were boosting on Oceania Server while the remainder of the playerbase ground each others resolve with both this game and event, perhaps this would have been perhaps, in the check and balance of things, a bad idea?

I enjoy heavy spam.

Players who are good enough to go ISK positive in full proto will probably win this event. By that logic, they also do not need big wallets, because they will not lose ISK by doing so...therefore, they will not win the event because of their big ISK wallets, if they have them, from doing PC or otherwise.

why couldnt they make it and not exclude 90% of the community
and create a giant afk fest
push most of the newer players away


like all you had to do was make it so any lvl of weapon could be used so everyone could participate and not just the isk loaded old pc hoarders.

i dunno the battlefields are just stale

i have to roll with 5 other proto vets to stand a chance because im constantly bumping into full proto squads...and because of the event if i want my kills to count i have to make them ina expensive suit..

i dunno ccp just really seems like this event could have been allot better.

all levels of weapons and suits should have been able to compete

There are no indications that new players are affected negatively by this event. We are actually seeing more balanced fights because most battles have more than one powerful squad. We think this is an amazing opportunity for our most dedicated players to put their mark on New Eden and I do hope some of our oldest veterans will come and try to claim the name to their favorite weapons. May the best player win and enjoy their reward.

AGAIN, if you aren't skilled enough to use proto that you'd actually LOSE isk by doing so, you shouldn't be the one to have the ability to name it. A player who just spams their way to victory that rushes in with the militia weapon and damage mods getting 10-15 kills per match and 20 deaths shouldn't be the one to win the event.

This part of your quote.. I have to disagree with ... "If you aren't skilled enough"... Let me tell you about skill in this game. It's irrelevant. When you can get Orbitaled on spawn. Shotgunned on spawn. Remote Explosive'd on spawn all before you even realize what the heck is going on... Skill means nothing in those situations. This happens to me about.. 3-4 times in a match. I die before I even get the opportunity to fight back. Sometimes I walk 10 feet and BAM I'm dead from a sniper right after I was killed by a tank or run over by a jeep just after spawning because some moron kept his jeep over an uplink...

So skill.. No. The game mechanics prevent people from being able to play at their skill level, and those that abuse those game mechanics are the ones that benefit from this and make money like you do. I'm in the RED every single match even in my advanced tier gear because of bad game mechanics.

The payout is abysmal and it doesn't allow the player to be good with an average amount of deaths. So no. I disagree with you 100%
Oh. And for the record I average 10-20 kills per match with 8-9 deaths and pretty much I'm number 1 in my team with over 1500 WP making 300-400k ISK per match and I'm still in the negative... So yeah... no.

my point at least if they're weapons counted they would feel as if they hada chance.


just seems like an event meant for old closed beta vets and at the cost of scrubs

nope, it is just an event with/for people who are at the top tier of the game.

Are you honestly arguing for an event to benefit 100% of players? If you are, that is a big mistake.

No event caters to everyone, some events are focused on Light Weapons, some are for logi's, some are for scouts etc. etc.

It is perfectly acceptable for a specific event to be more rewarding to a certain segment of the population, it just needs to balance out by way of having different events be more rewarding to different segments.

I had 50 million isk at the beginning of the event and am now up to 67 million isk from this event. I have been running full proto and have even been paying logistics players to keep me alive.

Rattati is completely correct here.

As for why you can't use basic or advanced weapons...well you'd basically be risking NOTHING in order to compete for OFFICER weapons. Not only that, but those that aren't skilled into the weapon to use the proto variant shouldn't be competing in the first place.

AGAIN, if you aren't skilled enough to use proto that you'd actually LOSE isk by doing so, you shouldn't be the one to have the ability to name it. A player who just spams their way to victory that rushes in with the militia weapon and damage mods getting 10-15 kills per match and 20 deaths shouldn't be the one to win the event.

In fact, I only went through less than 150 of my fittings. Considering I played enough matches to make 17 million isk, and my fitting only cost a bit over 100k, I made more back than I spent.

Paying logis to keep you alive, it is thier skills made you that isk not your own skills with a rifle. And they are excluded from the event.

This part of your quote.. I have to disagree with ... "If you aren't skilled enough"... Let me tell you about skill in this game. It's irrelevant. When you can get Orbitaled on spawn. Shotgunned on spawn. Remote Explosive'd on spawn all before you even realize what the heck is going on... Skill means nothing in those situations. This happens to me about.. 3-4 times in a match. I die before I even get the opportunity to fight back. Sometimes I walk 10 feet and BAM I'm dead from a sniper right after I was killed by a tank or run over by a jeep just after spawning because some moron kept his jeep over an uplink...

So skill.. No. The game mechanics prevent people from being able to play at their skill level, and those that abuse those game mechanics are the ones that benefit from this and make money like you do. I'm in the RED every single match even in my advanced tier gear because of bad game mechanics.

The payout is abysmal and it doesn't allow the player to be good with an average amount of deaths. So no. I disagree with you 100%
Oh. And for the record I average 10-20 kills per match with 8-9 deaths and pretty much I'm number 1 in my team with over 1500 WP making 300-400k ISK per match and I'm still in the negative... So yeah... no.

Even if the playing field was "leveled" in this contest, you would still have gotten wrecked. Naming an officer weapon? Of course the wolves are going to come out in packs and attack viciously to be immortalized in a piece of Dust lore.

That's just how it goes young man. No big deal.

You are greatly discounting how influential isk can be in what constitutes someone's "best" suit. The best suit I can personally fit is ~300k. If I have 20mil isk on hand (because maybe I like vehicles alot but don't do it well, so don't pile up isk for a rainy day since I can get it outside vehicles) I can run this suit for awhile, but losing 1 suit causes me to go isk negative, and a 15-1 match is hardly doing poorly (and likely able to be in the running). I believe this character would fall in your definition of a "Bad" player, since any # kills and 1 death in this suit is technically isk negative since most matches will be around or under 300k. There is an occasional match where you get 400k+, but averaged out it will fall to less than 300k.

Now assume I have 1 bilion isk. How many times can I come back in with that suit before I even consider it being an issue (the answer is more than there is time in a weekend, even playing 24/7). Therefore no matter how hard I try, I gotta go 2 games with only 1 death to stand a chance at maintaining a wallet, while the old PC farmers can literally go 16-21 in that same match and I would be behind in kills. But according to your setup, I would be the worse player.

I understand this is a hypothetical, in almost every sense (I am a logi not a slayer, I doubt an old-school PC farmer would go 15-21 but even 16-3 still proves my point, and I have no intention of even trying for these as I know my limitations), but in every sense of this "challenge", the advantages go to those with the largest wallets and not the most skilled, since overall kills matter to the detriment of smart and effective play to minimize casualties.

You can disagree with many things, but these are absolutes. It is possible that someone who only loses 1 suit a match will win, but more than likely that will only be the sniper. Either you have very cheap "full proto" fits, or you have never ran a suit as expensive as I can run. I don't, because I'm not an idiot who thinks he can only lose 1 suit every 2-3 matches, but I do break it out when I got isk to burn. Which is exactly what PC farmers have in abundance. To win this you will need a mountain of isk to keep your best suit on the field, regardless of difficulty and cost.

Guessing by the lack of CCP reply to these questions, there really is no excuse.