leave rifles as they are, maybe give them a small reduction in dps, but make every headshot an insta-kill. ^_^

A bit early I know but since CCP Rattati has mentioned they're going to be looked at in hot fix Delta and I've been running Sniper rifles recently I thought I'd give my opinions.

The biggest issue currently facing Snipers is that it takes a proto rifle, with some ****** damage mods, 5 shots to down a heavy (or 2 headshots and some change), often I don't even bother trying to kill them.

This has helped create a situation where heavies can waddle from point to point without fear of being killed

Therefore I think sniper rifles should get damage bonus to heavies (excluding commandos), nothing too significant but enough for them to rethink their assault playstyle. It would also help take out tanked sentinels thale sniping in the red-line

I think Scouts are in a decent place, they can be downed in one with a body shot if not armour tanked (which makes the easier to hit anyway) and quick Caldari Scouts are bloody hard to hit.

Medium suits are fine as well, basic can be taken out with a headshot and there's a balance between speed and armour.

A bit early I know but since CCP Rattati has mentioned they're going to be looked at in hot fix Delta and I've been running Sniper rifles recently I thought I'd give my opinions.

The biggest issue currently facing Snipers is that it takes a proto rifle, with some ****** damage mods, 5 shots to down a heavy (or 2 headshots and some change), often I don't even bother trying to kill them.

This has helped create a situation where heavies can waddle from point to point without fear of being killed

Therefore I think sniper rifles should get damage bonus to heavies (excluding commandos), nothing too significant but enough for them to rethink their assault playstyle. It would also help take out tanked sentinels thale sniping in the red-line

I think Scouts are in a decent place, they can be downed in one with a body shot if not armour tanked (which makes the easier to hit anyway) and quick Caldari Scouts are bloody hard to hit.

Medium suits are fine as well, basic can be taken out with a headshot and there's a balance between speed and armour.

"sniper rifles are just low risk low reward weapons"

erm, no.

they are not working as intended.
sniper rifles are low risk weapons.. ok if you say so.
I was writing out another long winded rebuttal to this statement but really I can't be bothered.
if you think they are so low risk then try running around with one.

the real point here is that it's agreed that the sniper rifles aren,t where they are supposed to be and that is why they are getting reviewed for delta

comments such as this aren't particularly productive and are ranked up there with classics such as "fix red line snipers", etc.

lets try to make something usable here for the upcoming changes.

although that said this really is very early.

as for the thales in the red line, I'm calling it now.....

EXPECT a range nerf!
it will be in delta....
you have been forwarned.

Risk vs Reward

Snipers are the lowest risk weapon.
Force them outside of the redline, make them show up on the TacNet for a brief moment after every shot (forcing them to relocate), and then, by all means, increase their effectiveness.

Until then, Snipers are just low risk, low reward weapons.

You cannot say that a sniper sitting on a tower or deep inside the redline is in as much danger as someone in the heat of the battle where all it takes is one wrong move and you're dead.

There's a reason why in my entire DUST career, I didn't lose a SINGLE Thale's.
Not one.

If you want to reduce redline sniping consider a few things.

1. Make more perches inside the intended combat area. I'll play them. Having said this, I don't routinely redline and I get killed lots by guys running up to me when I'm hacking or drawing a bead on a red.

2. Increase the redline timer, so people can try to hunt me if they want to. God knows if people can get close to me I'm pretty much meat on a stick because a sniper rifle has got no hipfire accuracy and I'll die too fast to a rapid fire weapon.

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But you have to address some things that all snipers agree are problems.

1. Crappy damage output from the low and mid-tier sniper rifles. It makes it too hard to claw your way from militia to proto. Way harder than the other weapon types.

2. Headshots with sniper rifles should kill any suit in one shot. Headshots are skill shots and should be rewarded as such.

3. Forcing us into the ck.0 commando/charge sniper rifle/3complex damage mods niche so we can function against other proto and brick tanked suits is too narrow a choice. The commando is an ok suit but it doesn't run too fast. This promotes camping. Where are the safest places to camp? Behind the redline, perchance?

4. Anyone thinking that fukking with sniper rifle range is a solution to any sniper-related problems is asking us to leave the game.

5. Please clean up the zoomed in scope. It's far too busy. A simple crosshair will do nicely. Then I can take the thread crosshair I made off of my TV. The frosted edge is cool and it can stay.

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I'm going to be following the upcoming sniper-related changes for hotfix delta very, very closely. I hope to hear and give good, balanced feedback.

There are legitimate concerns on both sides of the sniper scope.


Munch

After taking sniping to proficiency 5, I have found that my Thale's, with proficiency 5, on a commando cko with 3 complex damage mods, is survivable by any of the starter anti-armor fits with a body shot.

Allow me to repeat that. The maximum possible damage a sniper rifle is able to put out, is not sufficient to kill a starter suit with a body shot.

And people want these things nerfed?

gayest role of them all...players with the least risk asking for buffs lulz

If you want to reduce redline sniping consider a few things.

1. Make more perches inside the intended combat area. I'll play them. Having said this, I don't routinely redline and I get killed lots by guys running up to me when I'm hacking or drawing a bead on a red.

2. Increase the redline timer, so people can try to hunt me if they want to. God knows if people can get close to me I'm pretty much meat on a stick because a sniper rifle has got no hipfire accuracy and I'll die too fast to a rapid fire weapon.

**********

But you have to address some things that all snipers agree are problems.

1. Crappy damage output from the low and mid-tier sniper rifles. It makes it too hard to claw your way from militia to proto. Way harder than the other weapon types.

2. Headshots with sniper rifles should kill any suit in one shot. Headshots are skill shots and should be rewarded as such.

3. Forcing us into the ck.0 commando/charge sniper rifle/3complex damage mods niche so we can function against other proto and brick tanked suits is too narrow a choice. The commando is an ok suit but it doesn't run too fast. This promotes camping. Where are the safest places to camp? Behind the redline, perchance?

4. Anyone thinking that fukking with sniper rifle range is a solution to any sniper-related problems is asking us to leave the game.

5. Please clean up the zoomed in scope. It's far too busy. A simple crosshair will do nicely. Then I can take the thread crosshair I made off of my TV. The frosted edge is cool and it can stay.

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I'm going to be following the upcoming sniper-related changes for hotfix delta very, very closely. I hope to hear and give good, balanced feedback.

There are legitimate concerns on both sides of the sniper scope.


Munch