"sniper rifles are just low risk low reward weapons"

erm, no.

they are not working as intended.
sniper rifles are low risk weapons.. ok if you say so.
I was writing out another long winded rebuttal to this statement but really I can't be bothered.
if you think they are so low risk then try running around with one.

the real point here is that it's agreed that the sniper rifles aren,t where they are supposed to be and that is why they are getting reviewed for delta

comments such as this aren't particularly productive and are ranked up there with classics such as "fix red line snipers", etc.

lets try to make something usable here for the upcoming changes.

although that said this really is very early.

[quote=Skyline Lonewolf]

Nice. pay attention folks this is how to say it!


"Can't say that a sniper on a tower or in the red isn't at as much of a risk"
doesn't change the facts.
90% of the time in any kind of direct combat the sniper is defenceless.
if a heavy or a scout, or as of Charlie an assault does get behind you whilst you are ads you lose a clone. no ifs or buts.
if they jump out of a dropship whilst your defending yourself against dropships with say a swarm.. goodnight.
or lets say you use a rail rifle for your second.. then they'll probably just stay in their ads when they come for you. good luck destroying those with your rifles.
There are plenty of positions that I use where even a tiniest little error in judgement means dying, just getting set up!
and that's without even mentioning snipers

low risk indeed. what you mean to say is that they are low risk until the reds decide you are worth bothering to deal with...
I'm sure there IS a reason that you haven't lost a single thales cat.

Redline sniping is a symptom of map design and lack of a progressive game-mode. That is not the fault of the weapon, the playstyle, or the player.



Anecdotal, cherry picked evidence.

250m range is walking distance... You can close the range on that in like 10 seconds... Also thats a 50%+ nerf there... Damn thats even worse than how they ****** the damage mods...

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It takes a measure of skill to land a headshot on a moving target.
It takes none whatsoever to stack HP modules.

If a sniper shoots me in the face, I deserve to die.

It takes less skill to fight on the frontlines than to place headshots on moving targets from 200+ meters.

Getting sniped in the face is just one of those things that happens in FPS. And when it happens, you're supposed to f*cking die.

If you don't like getting sniped in the face, then move around less predictably. Or swap out one of the four heavies in your squad for a sniper to run overwatch.

Redline is not a sniper only thing and I don't think the class should be balanced around it.

Snipers may be able to snipe enemy players in their own red line from far away. Killing enemy red line snipers is fun!

However, we are most certainly not as destructive and oppressive as a rail tank.

To be victimized by a range reduction on any comparable level with a rail tank would be ridiculous.

There is nothing on the field a rail tank cannot destroy.

A sniper however never has a full 16 enemy players available to kill.

Are you in a vehicle? Congratulations GODMODE / ON.

Sniper Nerfs Direct and Indirect
(see below)

Increased Health for any suit running armor plates. lots more hp than in older builds (combined with)
Proficiency Skill +15% damage versus armor only (instead of flat damage to both shields and armor) (combined with)
Damage Mod Decrease getting 12% damage from 3 of these mods instead of 24% (combined with)
Gallente Map Packs designed to be unfriendly for snipers (combined with)
No Adjustment to the Sniper Rifle in an unbelievable amount of time to keep the weapon up to date. (combined with)
Sniping in a Heavy Suit for a 10% bonus to sniper rifle damage. It feels almost forced. (combined with)
Stealth Removal of Sniping Locations without warning or patch notes (combined with)
Easymode Attack Drop Ships for high rate of fire splash damage anywhere you want it. (combined with)
Cloaks and 1500hp Heavies pick one miss a lot more than normal or waste your time chipping away (combined with)
Reduced AV Grenades in both damage + amount carried. Used to be decent drop ship defense (combined with)
Increased Drop Ship Health so much so that you can't even carry enough AV grenades to kill one! (combined with)
Fog of War /ON to no longer see what your squad sees. Waste time scanning over teammates(combined with)
Z-fighting enemies render invisible against certain surfaces, what a huge waste of time (combined with)
Removal of Mountains forcing snipers to relocate to more ground level or obvious positions. (combined with)

I do not want to create tutorials, spoil every sniping spot to anyone possibly reading this, justify every educated opinion, and reveal all I know about successful sniping in Dust 514. Just to prevent CCP from pandering to the masses because they don't know any better. Maybe someday, but not today.

DO NOT NERF SNIPING RANGES.

BAD MAP DESIGN FOR SNIPING REQUIRES IT REMAIN THE SAME.

(the ever changing flow of battle changes the amount of available targets, dedicated sniping requires high spots, meaning drop ships, meaning you're going to be spotted by anything that's vaguely looking for you every time you have to move. The more a sniper has to move to find prey the less effective they will be. The class has suffered enough.)

You just want revenge kills with no additional effort.

LAST I CHECKED THEY DIDN'T NERF COVER.

so stop running around like you own the place and deal with ranged threats accordingly.


I get an unbelievable amount of kills from those same red line snipers. They're generally all so terrible. I doubt I'll ever understand this issue. Assuredly because I'm not terrible. The best players in the game don't find the time to complain about this because it's not game breaking and effects generally nothing.

You fear any buff to the sniper rifle will make this a relevant problem. You want to hit snipers with the ump'teenth nerf bat just so you can sleep well at night for when they do finally get balanced.

How about we test it without screwing the range class out of it's most defining characteristic first.