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CeeJ Mantis wrote:

MINA Longstrike wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

Kalante Schiffer wrote:

CCP Rattati wrote:

More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends.

I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend.

We can see if something can be done.

You gotta show the post weekend updates, it would pretty messed up not to show it because people want to move to the next weapon, also if you do show it people can see if their record got beat and they can try extra hard the next week. If you dont show it people will just use the same weapon every week to ensure their prize, i know i will because no one has time to keep up with more than two weapons with out knowing if their record got beat.

Very good point, we will discuss it internally.

The counterpoint to this is people seeing what a 'record' is and being able to go out and 'smash' it. It's already somewhat easy to figure this stuff out - just look at who is competing for what and then check their weekly kills before and after event.

I have to agree with the original idea of not posting records each week. If only encourages people to compete on the last weekend of the event as they know what the record to beat is. If you don't have extreme amounts of isk, money, LP or time attempt each weekend to ensure victory, you might only make one attempt, and it isn't fair that people who compete during earlier weeks have a disadvantage over people who compete during later ones because the later competitors know what scores to beat.

This event is about dedication. You are to become the officer worthy of having a weapon named after them. If you really want to go for it, then you should attempt it as hard as you can, but everyone has enough time to save up, practice, and attempt it during at least one of the four weekends.

Also, on the idea of more rewards for the non-winners, perhaps if you reach a certain milestone, you are rewarded with some of the new weapons. This could be done for each attempt. For instance, if you get more than 500 kills with your most used weapon during a weekend, you get 10x of that officer weapon. Then people with less money/time/skill can still have fun getting new gear, and people competing for their coveted weapon can get a consolation prize if they don't win. It encourages people attempting multiple weapons, and involvement from players that don't want to compete for the top spot to be involved in the fun.

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Appia Nappia 979	Posted - 2014.06.28 01:09:00 - [151] - Quote So... no updates or allowances for participants just the winners? By far, worst event ever. No. Not, "by far," this is light years ahead of the distance between your previous worst event and this one. Secretly Appia Vibbia If you can read my signature... I'm on the wrong alt.
Atiim EnvyUs. 9929	Posted - 2014.06.28 02:03:00 - [152] - Quote Quick question. If I kill a pilot, and the kill-feed says "Atiim()Tanker" as opposed to "Atiim (Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher) Tanker" does it still count towards to total kills with a Swarm Launcher? NoLifing DUST for the Officer Swarm Launcher. "Many things in life are subjective, morality is one of them..." -HAND
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1954	Posted - 2014.06.28 03:21:00 - [153] - Quote Atiim wrote: Quick question. If I kill a pilot, and the kill-feed says "Atiim()Tanker" as opposed to "Atiim (Wyrikomi Swarm Launcher) Tanker" does it still count towards to total kills with a Swarm Launcher? I'm not a dev so my thoughts are not definite. Though my guess is that in the first case, it's the exploding tank that kills the player. You made the tank explode so the kill is credited to you, but technically it was the explosion that killed the player, not your swarms. So my guess is that it doesn't count. "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 90	Posted - 2014.06.28 19:47:00 - [154] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: The new officer weapons will be added to public contract loot tables, so they're not going to be restricted to just the winners. Will THAT be restricted for only this event? I heard someone got 10 Thale's so I assume the rate of salvage has been increased.
INFINITE DIVERSITY IDIC 466	Posted - 2014.06.28 20:30:00 - [155] - Quote ADAM-OF-EVE wrote: am i missing something. it seems the only reward is to name a weapon and thats only for what 12 people. what about all the other guys helping with your data who have no chance ever of reaching the goals you set out. that info is still used so where is their reward Ah you are that guy, think everybody should get a trophy for participation? Let me answer that question, they are called the losers, losers get d1ck..... Im against slavery says the liberal, as he picks up his Iphone 5, made in China.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 631	Posted - 2014.06.29 09:34:00 - [156] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. You gotta show the post weekend updates because, it is pretty messed up not to show it because people want to move to the next weapon, and if you show it they can see if their record got beat and they can try extra hard the next week. If you dont show it people will just use the same weapon every week to ensure their prize.
Arkena Wyrnspire Fatal Absolution 15036	Posted - 2014.06.29 09:38:00 - [157] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. You gotta show the post weekend updates because, it is pretty messed up not to show it because people want to move to the next weapon, and if you show it they can see if their record got beat and they can try extra hard the next week. If you dont show it people will just use the same weapon every week to ensure their prize. I don't really see the problem with that. It gives you a choice between continuing with one weapon to feel like you've ensured victory, or you can gamble and try for another. You have long since made your choice. What you make now is a mistake. Polka will never die.
Kalante Schiffer Ancient Exiles. 631	Posted - 2014.06.29 09:50:00 - [158] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. You gotta show the post weekend updates because, it is pretty messed up not to show it because people want to move to the next weapon, and if you show it they can see if their record got beat and they can try extra hard the next week. If you dont show it people will just use the same weapon every week to ensure their prize. I don't really see the problem with that. It gives you a choice between continuing with one weapon to feel like you've ensured victory, or you can gamble and try for another. Im just thinking that showing it would allow more competition and people will try for another weapon instead of using the same gun because no one has the time to babysit two guns and risk both records for four weeks. but either way idc if they dont show it.
MINA Longstrike 936	Posted - 2014.06.29 10:02:00 - [159] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. Can this be clarified? Are you expanding the event to beyond the weekend or is that just a 'thought'? If you do expand the event to beyond the weekend you need to make this exceptionally clear to the community as it certainly affects those who are competing for a weapon. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3377	Posted - 2014.06.29 10:29:00 - [160] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. You gotta show the post weekend updates, it would pretty messed up not to show it because people want to move to the next weapon, also if you do show it people can see if their record got beat and they can try extra hard the next week. If you dont show it people will just use the same weapon every week to ensure their prize, i know i will because no one has time to keep up with more than two weapons with out knowing if their record got beat. Very good point, we will discuss it internally. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"


MINA Longstrike 940	Posted - 2014.06.29 10:55:00 - [161] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. You gotta show the post weekend updates, it would pretty messed up not to show it because people want to move to the next weapon, also if you do show it people can see if their record got beat and they can try extra hard the next week. If you dont show it people will just use the same weapon every week to ensure their prize, i know i will because no one has time to keep up with more than two weapons with out knowing if their record got beat. Very good point, we will discuss it internally. The counterpoint to this is people seeing what a 'record' is and being able to go out and 'smash' it. It's already somewhat easy to figure this stuff out - just look at who is competing for what and then check their weekly kills before and after event. Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu. Kirjuun Heiian. I have a few alts.
gauntlet44 LbowDeep Heaven84 Devils General Tso's Alliance 67	Posted - 2014.06.29 16:45:00 - [162] - Quote BlazeXYZ wrote: How is this fair since many people going to fit their proto weapon with their proto suit. While, some people going to equip it with their advance suit. Clearly there's imbalance to this event. Basically, this is only benefiting protostompers. Why can't we use basic or advance based weapons in this event. Why strictly prototype? ( I don't have that much isk to spend) sounds like they are trying to get rid of the stockpile of proto people were bragging about Absorb what is useful, discard what is not, make it uniquely your own........ Bruce Lee
CeeJ Mantis Mantodea MC 11	Posted - 2014.06.29 18:07:00 - [163] - Quote MINA Longstrike wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. You gotta show the post weekend updates, it would pretty messed up not to show it because people want to move to the next weapon, also if you do show it people can see if their record got beat and they can try extra hard the next week. If you dont show it people will just use the same weapon every week to ensure their prize, i know i will because no one has time to keep up with more than two weapons with out knowing if their record got beat. Very good point, we will discuss it internally. The counterpoint to this is people seeing what a 'record' is and being able to go out and 'smash' it. It's already somewhat easy to figure this stuff out - just look at who is competing for what and then check their weekly kills before and after event. I have to agree with the original idea of not posting records each week. If only encourages people to compete on the last weekend of the event as they know what the record to beat is. If you don't have extreme amounts of isk, money, LP or time attempt each weekend to ensure victory, you might only make one attempt, and it isn't fair that people who compete during earlier weeks have a disadvantage over people who compete during later ones because the later competitors know what scores to beat. This event is about dedication. You are to become the officer worthy of having a weapon named after them. If you really want to go for it, then you should attempt it as hard as you can, but everyone has enough time to save up, practice, and attempt it during at least one of the four weekends. Also, on the idea of more rewards for the non-winners, perhaps if you reach a certain milestone, you are rewarded with some of the new weapons. This could be done for each attempt. For instance, if you get more than 500 kills with your most used weapon during a weekend, you get 10x of that officer weapon. Then people with less money/time/skill can still have fun getting new gear, and people competing for their coveted weapon can get a consolation prize if they don't win. It encourages people attempting multiple weapons, and involvement from players that don't want to compete for the top spot to be involved in the fun. Longest plasma cannon kill: 236.45m
JP Acuna Pendejitos Zero-Day 203	Posted - 2014.06.29 18:36:00 - [164] - Quote Kalante Schiffer wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. You gotta show the post weekend updates, it would pretty messed up not to show it because people want to move to the next weapon, also if you do show it people can see if their record got beat and they can try extra hard the next week. If you dont show it people will just use the same weapon every week to ensure their prize, i know i will because no one has time to keep up with more than two weapons with out knowing if their record got beat. Dude, i'm sure you're winning. I h8 u. Kudos though, you're a killing machine and it's all legal.
XxGhazbaranxX Eternal Beings Proficiency V. 1645	Posted - 2014.06.30 02:14:00 - [165] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Medic 1879 wrote: Good idea, one small problem. People will boost the crap out of this event remember the black eagle challenges etc... within minutes of starting people were boosting so while I love this idea and would love to name a mass driver as they are my favourite weapon you can guarantee the winner for each weekend will have been boosting like mad. Anyone caught boosting is going to be feeling a lot of pain. I will be checking the final results to make sure they haven't been boosting. If you catch anyone boosting, please make sure to send in a ticket under DUST Community & Forums with the name of the killer, victim, your character name and the time it happened in UTC. We would take great pleasure in educating people on proper event etiquette. Well that's a big problem because If you don get caught your not punished. As for killer, victim, your character aspect, there are some people you can see boosting very evidently in the weekly kills. They jump the chart and get 100+ kills in 20 mins. Check the leaderboards and you will see Plasma Cannon Advocate Dust 514 Survivor
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 98	Posted - 2014.06.30 03:41:00 - [166] - Quote CCP Logibro, I assume you meant to say that the new officer weapons will become normal salvage after this event has ended, x3 per salvage randomly distributed among public matches regardless of who used an officer weapon on the enemy team? There are rumors going around that the rate of salvage has been increased. The way you said it could also be interpreted as "everyone who participates will also receive 30 copies of the weapon they get the most kills with."
bogeyman m Minmatar Republic 285	Posted - 2014.06.30 03:58:00 - [167] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: QUESTION!!!!!!!! Do vehicle kills count towards the total kill count for the AV weapons? Because just about everyone bails before their ride blows these days and that means I'm getting SMG kills instead of swarm kills.... THIS^ Duct tape 2.0 ... Have WD-40; will travel. Cross Atu for CPM1
Levithunder The Darkhunter Society 267	Posted - 2014.06.30 06:17:00 - [168] - Quote This event is stupid (-í° -£-û -í°)
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 196	Posted - 2014.06.30 11:02:00 - [169] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Listen up mercenaries! Weapon manufacturers around New Eden are working hard on new experimental weapons. As part of their research, they are requesting the aid of mercenaries everywhere in a bid to find experts and generate more combat data with these weapons. To the best, they offer the chance to leave their name on these weapons for all to see. If this sounds like something you're interested in, you should check out the details on the event page. The amount of possible winners and new proto weapons named is ? Follow your bliss
OP FOTM Commando Perkone Caldari State 115	Posted - 2014.06.30 12:55:00 - [170] - Quote Espeon Bons wrote: The amount of possible winners and new proto weapons named is ? For a good player, you're not too perceptive. " The following weapons categories are eligible: Assault Rifle Combat Rifle Rail Rifle Scrambler Rifle Laser Rifle Mass Driver Sniper Rifle Plasma Cannon Swarm Launcher Heavy Machine Gun Forge Gun Shotgun Although the reward will be to name a weapon in a specific weapon category, kills are counted according to specific weapon types. For example, if you were to achieve 500 kills with a Duvolle Assault Rifle and 200 with a GÇÿConstructGÇÖ Duvolle Assault Rifle, your score for Assault Rifles on that weekend would be 500, not 700. If 500 was the highest score during a single weekend over the duration of the event period, you would be given the chance to name a new Officer variant of the Assault Rifle." CCP, I thought I was going to start liking you again. I really did. Then you announced this event.

Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 196	Posted - 2014.06.30 15:46:00 - [171] - Quote OP FOTM wrote: Espeon Bons wrote: The amount of possible winners and new proto weapons named is ? For a good player, you're not too perceptive. " The following weapons categories are eligible: Assault Rifle Combat Rifle Rail Rifle Scrambler Rifle Laser Rifle Mass Driver Sniper Rifle Plasma Cannon Swarm Launcher Heavy Machine Gun Forge Gun Shotgun Although the reward will be to name a weapon in a specific weapon category, kills are counted according to specific weapon types. For example, if you were to achieve 500 kills with a Duvolle Assault Rifle and 200 with a GÇÿConstructGÇÖ Duvolle Assault Rifle, your score for Assault Rifles on that weekend would be 500, not 700. If 500 was the highest score during a single weekend over the duration of the event period, you would be given the chance to name a new Officer variant of the Assault Rifle." I thought it was one winner per weapin but my friend says its one winner and only one. Follow your bliss
Booby Tuesdays Ahrendee Mercenaries 604	Posted - 2014.06.30 17:35:00 - [172] - Quote Espeon Bons wrote: I thought it was one winner per weapin but my friend says its one winner and only one. There is no winner, only Zuul. Melee Weapon of Choice: Nokia-3310 Prof. V
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2034	Posted - 2014.06.30 22:41:00 - [173] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: Oooh, imagine the tears when the one and only officer mass driver is named "The Imperial Mass Driver." But CCP, why no sidearms? We need officer scrambler pistols! Also what were the complications with having officer weapons of the variants? Isn't there a Wolfman's officer ScP? Doh, you're right. But we need more! No clue why I forgot that because I absolutely love my Wolfman, just don't use it enough because I don't have many. Cala's? Scrambler Pistol and SMG both have Officer variants, only ones that are missing Officer variants are all of the others. Minmatar Weapons Specialist Explosives Connoisseur Logi for Hire
Megaman Trigger Knights of Eternal Darkness League of Infamy 103	Posted - 2014.07.02 00:38:00 - [174] - Quote "'Imperial Guard' Viziam Forge Gun" So.... is there an Amarr Forge out there I should know about? Purifier. First Class.
Fristname Family name uptown456 Dark Taboo 77	Posted - 2014.07.04 14:05:00 - [175] - Quote bogeyman m wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: QUESTION!!!!!!!! Do vehicle kills count towards the total kill count for the AV weapons? Because just about everyone bails before their ride blows these days and that means I'm getting SMG kills instead of swarm kills.... THIS^ They wouldnt be cause people could boost on bpo lavs and it would just be stupid Australian mercy worky.

ChribbaX Otherworld Enterprises Dust Control Otherworld Empire Productions 1204	Posted - 2014.07.09 10:49:00 - [176] - Quote CeeJ Mantis wrote: MINA Longstrike wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: Kalante Schiffer wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. You gotta show the post weekend updates, it would pretty messed up not to show it because people want to move to the next weapon, also if you do show it people can see if their record got beat and they can try extra hard the next week. If you dont show it people will just use the same weapon every week to ensure their prize, i know i will because no one has time to keep up with more than two weapons with out knowing if their record got beat. Very good point, we will discuss it internally. The counterpoint to this is people seeing what a 'record' is and being able to go out and 'smash' it. It's already somewhat easy to figure this stuff out - just look at who is competing for what and then check their weekly kills before and after event. I have to agree with the original idea of not posting records each week. If only encourages people to compete on the last weekend of the event as they know what the record to beat is. If you don't have extreme amounts of isk, money, LP or time attempt each weekend to ensure victory, you might only make one attempt, and it isn't fair that people who compete during earlier weeks have a disadvantage over people who compete during later ones because the later competitors know what scores to beat. This event is about dedication. You are to become the officer worthy of having a weapon named after them. If you really want to go for it, then you should attempt it as hard as you can, but everyone has enough time to save up, practice, and attempt it during at least one of the four weekends. Also, on the idea of more rewards for the non-winners, perhaps if you reach a certain milestone, you are rewarded with some of the new weapons. This could be done for each attempt. For instance, if you get more than 500 kills with your most used weapon during a weekend, you get 10x of that officer weapon. Then people with less money/time/skill can still have fun getting new gear, and people competing for their coveted weapon can get a consolation prize if they don't win. It encourages people attempting multiple weapons, and involvement from players that don't want to compete for the top spot to be involved in the fun. Clearly this. If you should post numbers you should have decided on that beforehand. Assuming you want to run some sort of fair type of challenge that is, thinking about that not everyone may have the time to participate all weekends, thus the later weekend you can participate, in theory the more help you have as you know what goals you need to reach. I for one rather hope that my 3 swarm kills* is the best until the event is over knowing I cannot participate every weekend, rather than seeing it broken on week one. So don't go posting numbers suddenly, they add (imo) absolutely nothing good to this event except frustration that you change your minds in the middle of the event. /c *It was probably more like 4 DUSTSearch DUSTBoard DUST Server Status


CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3779	Posted - 2014.07.09 22:53:00 - [177] - Quote We have decided to change nothing about the original event, no extra days, rewards and we will not report any numbers or players until we have the final results. However, if we were to do an event like this again, we will take this feedback into account. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Dj grammer Red Star. EoN. 272	Posted - 2014.07.10 05:59:00 - [178] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: We have decided to change nothing about the original event, no extra days, rewards and we will not report any numbers or players until we have the final results. However, if we were to do an event like this again, we will take this feedback into account. I hate to say this and I tried for going on 2 weeks not to say anything since people were doing the event. Therefore it pains for me to that that this was by far the WORST event EVER MADE in DUST514 history. Pros: New officer gear for every heavy and light weapon is coming out Data is gather for each weapon and how many kill there were for each weapon Cons: There are only a handful of weapons to name. meaning only less than or equal to 10 out of 1000s of people will get to name a weapon and the same 10 will be the only ones getting the new gear in their respective weapon This caused Prototype gear usage to go haywire aka proto stomping. Killing the NPE (new player experience) and this is coming from a 1 year vet Every weekend when this event happens means that anyone old or new will tire of playing the same people using the same overpowered gear over and over and over again. This drops the retention rate of this game IF if wasn't low enough Poor timing. Not even a month ago when Legion was announced player retention rate dropped faster than the Great Depression. Was this event made to increase or maintain the retention rate? I cannot list everything that comes to mind but there are more cons from this event than there are pros. My feedback would be to take the cons listed and take those into account for future events. Hopefully players who chose to go on to Legion will not face the same problems DUST had. Speaking of which did Legion get green light yet? why ccp?
Marcus Stormfire G.R.A.V.E INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 33	Posted - 2014.07.11 17:15:00 - [179] - Quote I would love to compete and get an Officer Swarm launcher "Stormfire Swarm Launcher" but I (and most others) would not stand a chance against the No-Lifers. Perhaps next time have an event where everyone can have a shot ? Mercs vs. Devs and the top 100 people who get the most Dev kills on the weekends with a qualifying proto weapon gets a chance with a random drawing? Good luck to everyone during this event. -Marcus -I don't always kill Mercs with a sidearm, But when I do I use militia.
Alaika Arbosa Matari Combat Research and Manufacture Inc. 2058	Posted - 2014.07.11 17:58:00 - [180] - Quote Marcus Stormfire wrote: I would love to compete and get an Officer Swarm launcher "Stormfire Swarm Launcher" but I (and most others) would not stand a chance against the No-Lifers. Perhaps next time have an event where everyone can have a shot ? Mercs vs. Devs and the top 100 people who get the most Dev kills on the weekends with a qualifying proto weapon gets a chance with a random drawing? Good luck to everyone during this event. -Marcus This would only work if it was done in Project Legion and Project Legion was open world. People could then hunt the Debs similar to events I remember happening in Eve. It would be too easy to flood queues with the same people lobby after lobby. My two cents. "Heres the deal, in the 40s there was Normandy today you got punks, some need culling real bad." --Truth Logi for Hire



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