DUST Search - Announcement:Destructive Data Mining: The Expert Challenge [27 June

Lorhak Gannarsein wrote:

Aero Yassavi wrote:

KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote:

My previous qualms about he unnecessary limits of the event aside (ex: only proto eligible meaning only those with money to run proto for 3 days can possibly win, & kills with eligible weapons of the same category are not counted together), but you guys don't think its a bad idea to have an event where only a small handful of super-rich super-hardcore people can possibly benefit while everyone else is wasting their time?
You could have had other smaller rewards like "for very kill you get with X weapon, you will be rewarded 2 X weapon of the same tier" or something. There is no incentive for anyone else to participate except for the super-rich super-hardcore tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of the community.

Seriously, how did you think its ok to have an event where 99.99% of the community will gain NOTHING? there should have been smaller rewards for other people.

On the flip side, there are several events where the rewards are something the "super rich" don't care at all about. I use quotations because I am going to be able to easily fund a full prototype weekend and I don't consider myself super rich, plus I don't participate in PC and spend a lot of my time in FW that doesn't even pay ISK. So I don't really think the barrier to entry on this event is all that high, but back to my point: There are lots of events that do nothing for these "super rich" players, so why can't you throw them a bone and let them have an event designed for them? What's so wrong with that? Also these "super rich" players tend to be the people who have supported Dust through thick and thin and they are the ones most deserving to name a weapon.

All the events prior to this not involving simply handing out items like the most recent included rewards the whole of the community could appreciate: namely, for the less wealthy community members protogear, and for everyone else, SP.

This event gives neither of these things. It's nothing more than a sink for the vast majority of us, and an excuse to protostomp for the rest of us.

I wouldn't have a problem with the event being more valuable for these wealthy members, but that no-one else benefits is the part I have a problem with.

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Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6199	Posted - 2014.06.26 15:15:00 - [121] - Quote Alldin Kan wrote: CCP Logibro wrote: Listen up mercenaries! Weapon manufacturers around New Eden are working hard on new experimental weapons. As part of their research, they are requesting the aid of mercenaries everywhere in a bid to find experts and generate more combat data with these weapons. To the best, they offer the chance to leave their name on these weapons for all to see. If this sounds like something you're interested in, you should check out the details on the event page. What happens if the winning player is not someone who is aware of the event or doesn't go on the forums? I think they Self Destruct due to Logic Error. This Federation is now at war. We have no time for dissenters
Hakyou Brutor G0DS AM0NG MEN 774	Posted - 2014.06.26 15:24:00 - [122] - Quote Kinda a crappy event if you think about it, only the no lifes that stomp bush 24/7 will get it. It's not based on skill, it's based on how little of a life you have. "I never pull out" ~Ace Boone, 2014.
Sgt Kirk Fatal Absolution 6201	Posted - 2014.06.26 15:31:00 - [123] - Quote Yeah there are going to be a lot of 11 year olds and unemployed people with weapons named after them.... Wooo :/ This Federation is now at war. We have no time for dissenters
David Mustane Commando Perkone Caldari State 26	Posted - 2014.06.26 15:41:00 - [124] - Quote Sgt Kirk wrote: Yeah there are going to be a lot of 11 year olds and unemployed people with weapons named after them.... Wooo :/ pretty much this. worst event ever.
hold that Krusual Covert Operators Minmatar Republic 130	Posted - 2014.06.26 15:46:00 - [125] - Quote So it start today? Today is 26th here in "Merica
Snake Sellors Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 119	Posted - 2014.06.26 16:13:00 - [126] - Quote Don't think the event is that bad, i'll have a crack at it. if nothing else there will be new officer weapons available for nearly all the weapons afterwards. 1 thing I'm a tad confused on is if the assault and breach proto weapons aren't valid why is the thales valid? it's an officer weapon rather than a proto, just sayin... also what exactly is boosting? as long as it can't be done without intending to do it I'm happy.
Kratek Heshan United Colonial Empire Army Freek Alliance 65	Posted - 2014.06.26 16:32:00 - [127] - Quote well better get a lot of kills :))
Pushing Charlie 166	Posted - 2014.06.26 17:21:00 - [128] - Quote If you get disconnected, or leave a battle, do the kills still count? Knight Soiaire I am the Wizard from the moon.
KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf Dominion of the Supreme Emperor God-King KAGEHOSHI 11204	Posted - 2014.06.26 17:21:00 - [129] - Quote My previous qualms about he unnecessary limits of the event aside (ex: only proto eligible meaning only those with money to run proto for 3 days can possibly win, & kills with eligible weapons of the same category are not counted together), but you guys don't think its a bad idea to have an event where only a small handful of super-rich super-hardcore people can possibly benefit while everyone else is wasting their time? You could have had other smaller rewards like "for very kill you get with X weapon, you will be rewarded 2 X weapon of the same tier" or something. There is no incentive for anyone else to participate except for the super-rich super-hardcore tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of the community. Seriously, how did you think its ok to have an event where 99.99% of the community will gain NOTHING? there should have been smaller rewards for other people. Gû¦Supreme emperor god-kingpÇÉKAGEH¦PSHIpÇæ// Lord of threads // Forum altGû+
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8630	Posted - 2014.06.26 18:24:00 - [130] - Quote KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: My previous qualms about he unnecessary limits of the event aside (ex: only proto eligible meaning only those with money to run proto for 3 days can possibly win, & kills with eligible weapons of the same category are not counted together), but you guys don't think its a bad idea to have an event where only a small handful of super-rich super-hardcore people can possibly benefit while everyone else is wasting their time? You could have had other smaller rewards like "for very kill you get with X weapon, you will be rewarded 2 X weapon of the same tier" or something. There is no incentive for anyone else to participate except for the super-rich super-hardcore tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of the community. Seriously, how did you think its ok to have an event where 99.99% of the community will gain NOTHING? there should have been smaller rewards for other people. On the flip side, there are several events where the rewards are something the "super rich" don't care at all about. I use quotations because I am going to be able to easily fund a full prototype weekend and I don't consider myself super rich, plus I don't participate in PC and spend a lot of my time in FW that doesn't even pay ISK. So I don't really think the barrier to entry on this event is all that high, but back to my point: There are lots of events that do nothing for these "super rich" players, so why can't you throw them a bone and let them have an event designed for them? What's so wrong with that? Also these "super rich" players tend to be the people who have supported Dust through thick and thin and they are the ones most deserving to name a weapon. Amarr are the good guys.

Stile451 Red Star. EoN. 344	Posted - 2014.06.26 18:37:00 - [131] - Quote Brush Master wrote: Logibro can you you give us updates at the end of each weekend on who is in the lead in each category and how many kills they have? Agreed, a weekly update with the top numbers for each weapon would be appreciated(and would tell us what we should be aiming for, if anything - not that I am able to play on weekends).
Aero Yassavi Praetoriani Classiarii Templares Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris 8632	Posted - 2014.06.26 18:49:00 - [132] - Quote Stile451 wrote: Brush Master wrote: Logibro can you you give us updates at the end of each weekend on who is in the lead in each category and how many kills they have? Agreed, a weekly update with the top numbers for each weapon would be appreciated(and would tell us what we should be aiming for, if anything - not that I am able to play on weekends). It would definitely heat up the competition! Amarr are the good guys.
Pushing Charlie 170	Posted - 2014.06.26 19:22:00 - [133] - Quote Brush Master wrote: Logibro can you you give us updates at the end of each weekend on who is in the lead in each category and how many kills they have? This. All of this. Ratatati already confirmed that we'd find out at the end of the event. But please change this, it would also allow the winner of each category to move onto different weapons that they're not as familiar with and allow other people to win, and allow people to know if they even have a chance of winning with their select weapon. Knight Soiaire I am the Wizard from the moon.
Harpyja Legio DXIV 1940	Posted - 2014.06.26 21:23:00 - [134] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Also, depending on how this event goes, we might consider doing this for sidearms (including the Nova Knife). Can there be an event for turrets as well? I'd love to have a shot to leave my mark on the XT-201s... "By His light, and His will"- The Scriptures, 12:32 -- "Scouts should fart repeatedly while cloaked"- TechMechMeds
Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 407	Posted - 2014.06.27 01:56:00 - [135] - Quote I am in agreement with the majority of the voices on the forums. The idea that only the person with the most kills with each weapon will gain this opportunity makes it almost pointless for the majority of players. However, Aero Yassavi has a good point as well. So I have come up with a compromise. The person with the most kills will get to name the officer weapon and will get 30 of them right? And we want to give the other people who realistically have no chance at actually WINNING this thing a reason to play right? Why don't you just say for every kill by a proto weapon, your name is entered into a raffle. At the end of the tournament weekends, take all of the names and draw 10 of them for each weapon, giving each of them 10 of the new officer weapon. So if I, for instance, had 10 kills with a Combat Rifle and Aero also didn't win but he got 110 kills with a CR (just using it as an example), he has his name entered 110 times and I have mine entered 10. This way, anyone who participates has an opportunity to at least get something out of it. I know if I at least had a chance to win something (because there is no way in hell I have the time/resources/skills to win this thing), I would be more likely to at least run a few matches and try and get my name entered as many times as possible to win a few "SNAFU" Combat Rifles or whatever name the winner comes up with. However, Aero is much more LIKELY to win one of the spots in the raffle because, you know, odds and stuff. We are talking about a basic MS excel document and formula that takes about 5 minutes to type up so we're not talking a lot of time/resources on this. Run it 10 times and give 10 of these to those players, but no one can win more than once and the overall winner is not eligible since s/he is already getting 30 of them. We're not exactly flooding the market and they can't be exchanged anyways. Any thoughts/suggestions? Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3224	Posted - 2014.06.27 02:00:00 - [136] - Quote More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Thokk Nightshade KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND 407	Posted - 2014.06.27 02:02:00 - [137] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. We can see if something can be done. And this is why I like you. You actually LISTEN to the feedback. Thank you! Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
Appia Vibbia Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3035	Posted - 2014.06.27 03:16:00 - [138] - Quote I really feel like this event if pointless if there is nothing for any of the causal players to earn. Please set a bar for X number of kills gets you 10 of the new officer weapons Appia Vibbia for CPM1 AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
fragmentedhackslash BATTLE SURVEY GROUP 305	Posted - 2014.06.27 04:57:00 - [139] - Quote Minmatar Precision Rifle https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2186737#post2186737 I will be participating in this challenge with the listed suit fitings as above. Mk.0 Logistics Charge Rifle. Not to get a new sniper variant officer weapon, but to get the entire teir of Minmatar Sniper Rifles (all of them) introduced into DUST 514. Pain is just weakness leaving your body. Every day is a holiday. Every meal is a feast.
Lorhak Gannarsein Legio DXIV 3845	Posted - 2014.06.27 05:20:00 - [140] - Quote Aero Yassavi wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: My previous qualms about he unnecessary limits of the event aside (ex: only proto eligible meaning only those with money to run proto for 3 days can possibly win, & kills with eligible weapons of the same category are not counted together), but you guys don't think its a bad idea to have an event where only a small handful of super-rich super-hardcore people can possibly benefit while everyone else is wasting their time? You could have had other smaller rewards like "for very kill you get with X weapon, you will be rewarded 2 X weapon of the same tier" or something. There is no incentive for anyone else to participate except for the super-rich super-hardcore tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of the community. Seriously, how did you think its ok to have an event where 99.99% of the community will gain NOTHING? there should have been smaller rewards for other people. On the flip side, there are several events where the rewards are something the "super rich" don't care at all about. I use quotations because I am going to be able to easily fund a full prototype weekend and I don't consider myself super rich, plus I don't participate in PC and spend a lot of my time in FW that doesn't even pay ISK. So I don't really think the barrier to entry on this event is all that high, but back to my point: There are lots of events that do nothing for these "super rich" players, so why can't you throw them a bone and let them have an event designed for them? What's so wrong with that? Also these "super rich" players tend to be the people who have supported Dust through thick and thin and they are the ones most deserving to name a weapon. All the events prior to this not involving simply handing out items like the most recent included rewards the whole of the community could appreciate: namely, for the less wealthy community members protogear, and for everyone else, SP. This event gives neither of these things. It's nothing more than a sink for the vast majority of us, and an excuse to protostomp for the rest of us. I wouldn't have a problem with the event being more valuable for these wealthy members, but that no-one else benefits is the part I have a problem with. CCP Rattati Best Dev AmLogi 5 GÇó AmAss 5 GÇó AmSent 4 GÇó CalScout 5 CalLogi, you're next!

steadyhand amarr shadows of 514 3192	Posted - 2014.06.27 07:43:00 - [141] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. oO for reals!? Just adding in prizes for trying will make the event worth it tbh You can never have to many chaples -Templar True adamance
Haerr Legio DXIV 875	Posted - 2014.06.27 08:50:00 - [142] - Quote CCP Logibro wrote: Listen up mercenaries! Weapon manufacturers around New Eden are working hard on new experimental weapons. As part of their research, they are requesting the aid of mercenaries everywhere in a bid to find experts and generate more combat data with these weapons. To the best, they offer the chance to leave their name on these weapons for all to see. If this sounds like something you're interested in, you should check out the details on the event page. CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. Cool event! Rattati what do you think of 1 officer weapon per X (maybe 10?) kills with a prototype weapon? It would make it worthwhile to play a bit during the weekend for the players that aren't going to try to get the high score.
The Lion ElJonson 1st Legion The Dark Angels 50	Posted - 2014.06.27 11:24:00 - [143] - Quote Glad i came back when i did, got some nice passive saved up, not long to go now strips and clean his rail gun Millions of isks worth of ships in space yet theres nothing quite like a face to face
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 1267	Posted - 2014.06.27 12:19:00 - [144] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. Would still like to know a rough count to even stand a chance in a category. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Brush Master HavoK Core RISE of LEGION 1267	Posted - 2014.06.27 12:21:00 - [145] - Quote Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Aero Yassavi wrote: KAGEHOSHI Horned Wolf wrote: My previous qualms about he unnecessary limits of the event aside (ex: only proto eligible meaning only those with money to run proto for 3 days can possibly win, & kills with eligible weapons of the same category are not counted together), but you guys don't think its a bad idea to have an event where only a small handful of super-rich super-hardcore people can possibly benefit while everyone else is wasting their time? You could have had other smaller rewards like "for very kill you get with X weapon, you will be rewarded 2 X weapon of the same tier" or something. There is no incentive for anyone else to participate except for the super-rich super-hardcore tiny tiny tiny tiny fraction of the community. Seriously, how did you think its ok to have an event where 99.99% of the community will gain NOTHING? there should have been smaller rewards for other people. On the flip side, there are several events where the rewards are something the "super rich" don't care at all about. I use quotations because I am going to be able to easily fund a full prototype weekend and I don't consider myself super rich, plus I don't participate in PC and spend a lot of my time in FW that doesn't even pay ISK. So I don't really think the barrier to entry on this event is all that high, but back to my point: There are lots of events that do nothing for these "super rich" players, so why can't you throw them a bone and let them have an event designed for them? What's so wrong with that? Also these "super rich" players tend to be the people who have supported Dust through thick and thin and they are the ones most deserving to name a weapon. All the events prior to this not involving simply handing out items like the most recent included rewards the whole of the community could appreciate: namely, for the less wealthy community members protogear, and for everyone else, SP. This event gives neither of these things. It's nothing more than a sink for the vast majority of us, and an excuse to protostomp for the rest of us. I wouldn't have a problem with the event being more valuable for these wealthy members, but that no-one else benefits is the part I have a problem with. It would be nice if they added a, every X kills you get with X weapon you will get X officer variant of that weapon. Would make it feel a bit more rewarding. Something like a 100:1 ratio would be fine since it is an officer weapon. Dust Veteran. June 2012 - ? True Logi. Flying DS from the start. @dustreports
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1396	Posted - 2014.06.27 13:35:00 - [146] - Quote Brush Master wrote: CCP Rattati wrote: More participatory prizes and not only on the weekends. I am not sure about the post weekend updates of top killers, I like the "blind gambling" that needs to happen. Did I kill enough to move on to the next weapon, or do I push extra hard next weekend. We can see if something can be done. Would still like to know a rough count to even stand a chance in a category. For the most common weapons (AR, CR, RR, HMG) a very rough estimate would be 'are you in the top twenty for weekly kills'?
SKULL ERASER Hellstorm Inc League of Infamy 14	Posted - 2014.06.27 18:46:00 - [147] - Quote Eh. Hurdle the living, trample the dead.
jace silencerww D3ATH CARD 22	Posted - 2014.06.27 19:49:00 - [148] - Quote sniper rifle time lol
The Aponymous Knights Of Ender Proficiency V. 3	Posted - 2014.06.27 19:51:00 - [149] - Quote Wait im confused, so the part where you say -get 500 kills with assualt rifle and 200 with "pyrus" assualt rifle= only 500 for the weekend because of different weapons-does that mean i can only get my Boundless HMG kills to count while my Gaustan HMG doesnt? Apologies for confusing text. Worlds #1 anti-infantry missle tank sniper

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 3274	Posted - 2014.06.28 00:29:00 - [150] - Quote Yes, only your best total counts with a single unique weapon, not the sum, even if they are both HMG's. "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"




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