The Caldari scout, the other scout suit I use

Same as the gal scouts critism, the bonus to range. I'm up in the air about this one, I don't have a bonus thought out about it fully, but an idea of mine would be a 20% reduction of the penalties from both energizers and extenders, leaving them both with no penalties at cal scout level 5.

I stated this is not a fully thought out idea and will have to crunch some numbers on this in time.


I like to think of scout suits as skirmishers, hit and run suits, counter to heavies. So keep this in mind when reading my posts. Would love to hear the communities thoughts on these ideas-

The increase to Biotics is actually an idea I had also been tossing around for quite some time. Would this also include melee damage mods? I think overall this is a good choice for the Minmatar and would work well to offset their lack of eHP. The speed they would be capable of would be terrifying, but I think the low HP would properly balance this.

Barring my comments on the Amarr/Caldari Scouts, one suggestion I heard which I found to be pretty interesting is to remove the range bonuses to Gal/Cal scouts and make the Amarr Scout have the big scan radius instead of the Gallente? If the more direct-combat approach makes the Amarr Scout too strong, how would you feel about instead giving them the range bonus like I mentioned in the Gal/Cal sections?

@ Dalmont

With respect, we're having a hard time parsing your feedback. Would you mind posting in your native tongue? We'll get a Brother Scout to translate to English for us.

Thanks!

Contrasting that, the Minmatar Scout already has a specialized role on the battlefield that crosses Assassination with Fast-Hacking, adding on a biotics bonus might seem like a good idea at first but I think we're missing a golden opportunity to fine-tune it to what it's already capable of without having to resort to adding another bonus to further split it's specialization.

Feel free to convince me of otherwise if you disagree with what I've said here.

Assassination? You can't do it when Cal Scouts light you up from 50m away.

Fast hacking is the ONLY useful aspect of the Minmatar Scout in PC. That's it.

Anything else is something that a Gal Scout with a Shotgun can do better.

It needs attention. The MAIN problem with the Amarr and Min scouts is the absolute scanning superiority of the Cal Scout.

REMOVE SHARED SQUAD VISION

First it was "remove team vision" now squad vision? What else? Remove scans and passive scans because they scan you? I don't care if someone scans me, because scanning is half way through; you still need to kill target.

How Scanning works:

Gal Logi's are made to Scan Proto Damped suits and higher, but suffer from loss of scan duration. They can't keep scans up for a period of time. This makes them adept at scanning objectives to sense Spec Ops, but not to keep them lit up, just to tell you that they are there.

Gal Logi Focused is made to scan scouts. Once again, suffers from not being able to keep them lit up.

Cal Scouts are made to hunt Spec Ops suits. One of these guys is made to ruin their day. However, they don't share their scans. They are simply made to HUNT them, not to turn a squad into hunters.

Scouts are made to scan non-proto damped suits for extended periods of time. Some do it actively, some passively. Passive has the ability to scan 360 all the time, but lacks range. Active scans have a longer range, but have limited scan time and angle.

REMOVE SHARED SQUAD VISION

I would love looking at passive being not shared, a module that allows passive sharing, and a much wider radius with precision falloff.

But it's not christmas.

Type 1) Things within the realm of possibility
Type 2) Things outside the real of possibility
Type 3) All things

We've problems to solve; let's not waste time.
Might we all agree to limit this debate to Type 1 items?

We must have in attention the "team play aspect", it is not solo scout battles. This means where some scouts of some race can't push what can other, other frames of their race can replenish that fault considering it is versatile teams.

Imagine next:

Gall example:

Scout role expansion: 25%
Assault: 40%
Heavy: 15%
Vehicles: 20%

Now what you wish is to move scout role to higher or lower degrees which can't be made not managing other frames as well as lowering gall scout role expansion due to its possibility of taking role from assault frame, a bit. You reduce lets say a 100% balance to 97% of overall race competition (since you reduced scout role in total) against other races. It means other races will prevail in "bits" against Gall and you can't do that without balanced decision to cut here and to add there.

Of course some races have 105% or 110% as 96% due to lack of content which creates lack of balance which this game has since ever. You have the rail rifle effect in here, mass drive effect and others related to racial damage taken and received by weapons.

Considering previously written, I must say that we can't assume any changes watching at overall effect. It will have no gaming experience just because someone is not satisfied. We can consider all these proposals and decide whether we apply some of changes or not; so altogether races will have 100% competitiveness against each other but particularly frames of one race could have advantage against frames of another races.

By such we can have versatility of balance where globally, races are balanced. However particular small fights depend not only on frames but on skills and gaming experience of player. In this situation frames' advantage can be handy. Now depending on how much of each frame you brought to battlefield will have higher or lower output taking in consideration that not only frames but also racial differences can be applied in battles...

You got it. No changes just because someone is suffering. Remember it is not I want to play as scout and be the best player. You have players with other races and frames that join battle and they replenish what you can't accomplish.

Probability of dropping same guys with weapons and equipments of same race is almost null, so you can't expect victory out of almost unpredictable matchmaking and considering that all proportionally drops in same frames. In this case PC is more controllable and predictable.


This is team game and it means no one-man-army and it means no suit will have advantage over whole race just because, otherwise people make this game more unbalanced and then ask why it is unbalanced.

1. So what must be don is all races are 100% competitive against other races however frames particularly are less competitive against some frames and good against other.

2. In this 100% situation if you want to push or nerf something, you need to move other related to frame parts as well in one particular race(sharing effect - if you receive, someone of your race will lose). We can make frames all with same effectiveness giving yet 100% in total for the race which will solve problem with battles of one prevailing frame used.

3. Now having that balanced we can create teams of maximum percentage output of effectiveness against all races.

"Egoists make games unbalanced."-¬

Conceptual roles are fun to debate, but outside the scope of the proposal. Varying from a Merc to the next, so we deliberately omitted so that your eyes focused on the goals. Opinions on this tendency

Feel free to convince me of otherwise if you disagree with what I've said here.