You leaving IS the cause. If people play Ambush/Ambush OMS normally, queuing will work normally]. Which means, you'll have a better chance of getting normal Ambush, that match type you want. And furthermore, allowing queuing to working normally ensures that tankers have a lesser chance to get OMS, making them less likely to enter the Ambush queue, meaning you'll see less tankers even in Ambush OMS. Which means a better experience for you in OMS.

Ambush OMS will be more enjoyable if you just play it. And due to the queuing concerns I presented in my earlier post, you'll even get Ambush more often if you just play it.

So just freaking play it.

You leaving IS the cause....So just freaking play it.

[You're so horribly wrong on all fronts Soraya Xel it's not even funny.

Basic understanding of the queuing system proves that people like Judge are actually degrading the condition of their own gameplay so they can complain about it more. Unwillingness to try to use it as intended means he is not experiencing the intended result.

The only intended result should be the enjoyment of the player at the time of play.

The issue has been attributed to the combining of the two game-modes since the day of. Queueing was always faster/easier/enjoyable when you could choose between the two and get your choice, it was and still is the community consensus, especially among of those who've been around long enough to have once had that option. The game does not have a working matchmaking system that will actively try to balance out your Ambush and OMS gameplay (or at all), so to imply that it will equalize on it's own is wrong; law of averages be damned. Leaving things to what amounts to a coin flip and a non-absolute law of averages is simply not a proper system. Players who currently take issue with this will never learn to enjoy and actually participate in the current state of Ambush and/or Ambush OMS if they're not able to make the choice rather than leaving it to what's essentially a coin-flip. Instead they will continue to leave when they don't like the results and/or avoid Ambush queue altogether, no equalization.

"Domination = Domination
Skirmis = Skirmish
Ambush = Ambush (TDM/Basic) or Ambush (OMS)

Something is wrong here..."

I've heard many versions of this so many times on Scout's United and Local when I still played. (No, I did not QUIT, I have nothing against DUST, nor do I have excessive negative opinions about CCP as a result of recent decisions that I do indeed dislike. I made the decision to move just as 1.5 hit and my life has suddenly gotten a lot busier than before, for the better and I can't justify coming back to DUST just yet, as much as I wish to. So please don't discount me from this discussion like many would those that do because of that one portion of my statement.)

It's been a fundamentally flawed system that most never actually cared for since they initially did that. And now with the removal of vehicles from Ambush (TDM/Basic), EVERYONE (pilot/operator, AV infantry, or AP infantry) is screwed when they queue "Ambush" unless CCP separates the two again, which should have happened regardless when the player-base stabilized.

Bottom line: As Judge mentioned above: It's not the player's place to fix this, it's CCP's. And the only proper way to do it is separating the game-modes so they can be queued into individually again. And when that's fixed the players will go back to playing what they feel like playing at the given time of play. Then and only then, will individuals who are currently avoiding one mode in favor of the other actually play both because they will be given the ability to actively seek to do so.

OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description.

demanding people play one mode, when they infact queued with the express purpose of playing another mode is unjustifiable. There is no way for me to just play non OMS ambush without queuing for OMS. The issue is CCPs implementation not anyone's decision to only play what they enjoy.

The only intended result should be the enjoyment of the player at the time of play.

The issue has been attributed to the combining of the two game-modes since the day of. Queueing was always faster/easier/enjoyable when you could choose between the two and get your choice, it was and still is the community consensus, especially among of those who've been around long enough to have once had that option. The game does not have a working matchmaking system that will actively try to balance out your Ambush and OMS gameplay (or at all), so to imply that it will equalize on it's own is wrong; law of averages be damned. Leaving things to what amounts to a coin flip and a non-absolute law of averages is simply not a proper system. Players who currently take issue with this will never learn to enjoy and actually participate in the current state of Ambush and/or Ambush OMS if they're not able to make the choice rather than leaving it to what's essentially a coin-flip. Instead they will continue to leave when they don't like the results and/or avoid Ambush queue altogether, no equalization.

"Domination = Domination
Skirmis = Skirmish
Ambush = Ambush (TDM/Basic) or Ambush (OMS)

Something is wrong here..."

I've heard many versions of this so many times on Scout's United and Local when I still played. (No, I did not QUIT, I have nothing against DUST, nor do I have excessive negative opinions about CCP as a result of recent decisions that I do indeed dislike. I made the decision to move just as 1.5 hit and my life has suddenly gotten a lot busier than before, for the better and I can't justify coming back to DUST just yet, as much as I wish to. So please don't discount me from this discussion like many would those that do because of that one portion of my statement.)

It's been a fundamentally flawed system that most never actually cared for since they initially did that. And now with the removal of vehicles from Ambush (TDM/Basic), EVERYONE (pilot/operator, AV infantry, or AP infantry) is screwed when they queue "Ambush" unless CCP separates the two again, which should have happened regardless when the player-base stabilized.

Bottom line: As Judge mentioned above: It's not the player's place to fix this, it's CCP's. And the only proper way to do it is separating the game-modes so they can be queued into individually again. And when that's fixed the players will go back to playing what they feel like playing at the given time of play. Then and only then, will individuals who are currently avoiding one mode in favor of the other actually play both because they will be given the ability to actively seek to do so.

Why on earth would you make the distinction of removing vehicles from non-OMS and keeping them in OMS when they're not even two distinct gamemodes?

The only intended result should be the enjoyment of the player at the time of play.

Sure.

So just freaking play it.

OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description.

OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description.

We will first query the players if they like Ambush without vehicles. If that's a resounding yes, then we keep them.

Then we can ask, do you want to be able to pick those specifically, again, if yes, then we can take OMS out of rotation or create two Ambush queues.

Baby steps

So grab some AV at your local supply depot?
The ability to do is why VEHICLES (not just tanks) are still in OMS.


I thought higher of you Judge, perhaps I was mistaken.

The cross hairs on blaster turrets are atrocious now. Even with the dispersion on the dot cross hairs I could atleast maintain a reasonable accuracy, with the HMG one its garbage, not even sure where I am trying to shoot anymore.

Tanking in Dust has just gone down hill since Chromosome.....I'd actually rather have hyper expensive and flimsy HAV from 1.3 back over the current trash anyday.

*strokes broken Wyrikomi swarm launcher*

well back in the day infantry av could handle tanks, and thus oms was the only ambush game mode capable of handling tanks.

now that infantry av can't handle tanks they should of removed them from oms as well.

My observation, as a vocal critic of AV/vehicle balance is that tanks are blowing up a lot. Its only been acouple of days but I haven't been in a match cobtrolled by tanks yet post Bravo.

I just feel its more fun, for the most players when there are no vehicles. Sure I can melt tanks with my Incubus. But I feel the majority of the playrs would enjoy the game mode more without vehicles

We will first query the players if they like Ambush without vehicles. If that's a resounding yes, then we keep them.

Then we can ask, do you want to be able to pick those specifically, again, if yes, then we can take OMS out of rotation or create two Ambush queues.

Baby steps

I don't understand the issue here?

I single-handedly take out Rail-Sicas (the most prevalent, imo) with one of two options, REs or Forge guns. Me. One Person.
You mean to tell me 2 AV people can't kill tanks? I call shenanigans

Make up your mind. Is it :

a) The only intended result should be the enjoyment of the player at the time of play. or
b) So just freaking play it.

It cant be both but you seem to want to play both sides here.

We will first query the players if they like Ambush without vehicles. If that's a resounding yes, then we keep them.

Then we can ask, do you want to be able to pick those specifically, again, if yes, then we can take OMS out of rotation or create two Ambush queues.

Baby steps

We will first query the players if they like Ambush without vehicles. If that's a resounding yes, then we keep them.

Then we can ask, do you want to be able to pick those specifically, again, if yes, then we can take OMS out of rotation or create two Ambush queues.

Baby steps