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ZDub 303
Escrow Removal and Acquisition
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:33:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Gelan Corbaine wrote:shaman oga wrote:This is the reason why they did not split OMS and Ambush again, nobody would play OMS if not forced, except duna and some other stat padders.
Bullkitten. I'd happily play OMS and I'm I don't even have any points in vehicles aside from just enough points to unlock a jeep . Plenty of points in AV though . To Judge you can't wall off the only quick game mode we got from a a significant portion of the community . I'm all for separating Ambush and OMS ..... but removing vehicles is a no go for me . The problem, is that separating them is a client update. SO we are at an impasse. Many don't want to play OMS, but have to queue for it. Many leave as soon as they get in. This screws up the sides. Should they stay? not if they hate the mode. Should they not queue? Wellif they like ambush they have to. So what can we do?
Remove vehicles from OMS. Its the simplest solution by far. I liked the idea of keeping vehicles in OMS as well but clearly it won't work in the current state of the game. |
Thang Bausch
Pierrot Le Fou Industries
169
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:43:00 -
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I am glad ambush no longer allows vehicles, but glad they are still present in OMS. |
John Psi
Vacuum Cleaner. LLC
Steel Balls Alliance
801
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:52:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description.
Absolutley correct.
Sorry for bad English =)
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HYENAKILLER X
WILL FIGHT ANYONE
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Posted - 2014.06.18 21:52:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description.
I wish oms and regular ambush were reversed. Even better keep oms with vehicles, ditch the 50 count and give us an option for a vehicle free 150 count ambush.
Omfg that would be awesome.
Im not from new eden. I dont need back up, political power or support. I, unlike you dont fear nuetral territory.
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Gelan Corbaine
Gladiators Vanguard
465
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:13:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Gelan Corbaine wrote:shaman oga wrote:This is the reason why they did not split OMS and Ambush again, nobody would play OMS if not forced, except duna and some other stat padders.
Bullkitten. I'd happily play OMS and I'm I don't even have any points in vehicles aside from just enough points to unlock a jeep . Plenty of points in AV though . To Judge you can't wall off the only quick game mode we got from a a significant portion of the community . I'm all for separating Ambush and OMS ..... but removing vehicles is a no go for me . The problem, is that separating them is a client update. SO we are at an impasse. Many don't want to play OMS, but have to queue for it. Many leave as soon as they get in. This screws up the sides. Should they stay? not if they hate the mode. Should they not queue? Wellif they like ambush they have to. So what can we do?
Hate to say it but it's a needed terrible compromise . Removing content from a portion your playerbase without having anything to replace it is wrong .
Having a guy press cancel when OMS pops and trying again is a lot better than telling a guy who spent 5+ months building his role that he's completely SOL .
You'd have to refund all Vehicle and AV skills and make them "free" skills as it is a significant devaluing of their time investment .
Hopefully if we press it CCP will be able to scrap together a small client update to separate them .
No job is worth doing if you don't get paid in the end .
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IraqiFriendshipExplosive
Tiny Toons
80
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:16:00 -
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Played a good 5 or 6 regular ambush battles in a row earlier and each and every one of them was a total joy! We won some and we lost some, but ever single time it was a great fight! =D |
Raver SHARK
PSU GHOST SYNDICATE
DARKSTAR ARMY
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:19:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why on earth would you make the distinction of removing vehicles from non-OMS and keeping them in OMS when they're not even two distinct gamemodes? well back in the day infantry av could handle tanks, and thus oms was the only ambush game mode capable of handling tanks. now that infantry av can't handle tanks they should of removed them from oms as well.
Well if AV got a buff... |
Thokk Nightshade
KNIGHTZ OF THE ROUND
391
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:23:00 -
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IraqiFriendshipExplosive wrote:Played a good 5 or 6 regular ambush battles in a row earlier and each and every one of them was a total joy! We won some and we lost some, but ever single time it was a great fight! =D
This. It was so enjoyable playing an Ambush game and not seeing some tanker going 27-0 or 27-1 after the fact. Anyone who put up 20+ kills was using their gun game and I can absolutely respect that.
Thokk Kill. Thokk Crush. Thokk Smash.
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castba
Amarr Templars
Amarr Empire
488
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:25:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:Judge... do I have to squad with you in my Forge fit?
Really I respect you, but what I'm hearing from you is not CPM material. The majority of the players I have spoken to,do not support this change. I am simply expressing their view, and mine too.
You mean "they" don't support the only change that was made - being no vehicles in regular Ambush?
You must be speaking to a lot of tank kdr farming types. |
True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10778
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:26:00 -
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Raver SHARK wrote:calisk galern wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why on earth would you make the distinction of removing vehicles from non-OMS and keeping them in OMS when they're not even two distinct gamemodes? well back in the day infantry av could handle tanks, and thus oms was the only ambush game mode capable of handling tanks. now that infantry av can't handle tanks they should of removed them from oms as well. Well if AV got a buff...
No.... NO NO!
If tanks went back to making sense.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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jaksol JAK darnson
Kameira Lodge
Amarr Empire
30
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:27:00 -
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Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why on earth would you make the distinction of removing vehicles from non-OMS and keeping them in OMS when they're not even two distinct gamemodes?
they used to be as seperate ones so you chould pick it i miss that
"Sacrifice is a choice you make. Loss is a choice made for you."
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
1390
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Posted - 2014.06.18 23:57:00 -
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jaksol JAK darnson wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why on earth would you make the distinction of removing vehicles from non-OMS and keeping them in OMS when they're not even two distinct gamemodes? they used to be as seperate ones so you chould pick it i miss that And changing it made some sense when the two where basically the same thing.
Now that one of them puts in place arbitrary restrictions that completely disqualify a large part of the community from participating with their chosen playstyle while the inability to actually choose defeats the point if this change in for the other in the first place... yeah, separating them again might help, but only as a band aid for the band aid.
As someone with zero SP in either AV or vehicles I happen to believe that this is a short sighted, purely symptomatic approach to the "tankbush" problem to begin with but it seems I'm with the minority here.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10783
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:00:00 -
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Malkai Inos wrote:jaksol JAK darnson wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why on earth would you make the distinction of removing vehicles from non-OMS and keeping them in OMS when they're not even two distinct gamemodes? they used to be as seperate ones so you chould pick it i miss that And changing it made some sense when the two where basically the same thing. Now that one of them puts in place arbitrary restrictions that completely disqualify a large part of the community from participating with their chosen playstile while the inability to actually choose defeats the point if this change in for the other the first place... yeah, separating them again might help, but only as a band aid for the band aid. As someone with zero SP in either AV or vehicles I happen to believe that this is a short sighted, purely symptomatic approach to the "tankbush" problem to begin with but it seems I'm with the minority here.
Thats a fair comment to make, as a tanker that makes sense to me, but also as a Tanker I have to admit that you have to look at the results of including HAV in ambush...... how many play styles do we lock down and wreck?
Most if not all.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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PLAYSTTION
GamersForChrist
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:01:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description.
In beta, OMS was my favourite. Now it just sucks. I wouldn't play ambush at all now.
44/4 in a BPO Scout (1.8) 40/5 in a Proto Assault (1.7)
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3978
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:05:00 -
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More Installation drops, please.
I'll still play OMS, but I'll be more likely to run an All FG/AV squad when I do.
Otherwise, Leave Battle.
PSN: The_Rynoceros
Destiny beta SoonGäó
Console Master Race
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Malkai Inos
Any Given Day
1390
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Posted - 2014.06.19 00:41:00 -
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True Adamance wrote:Malkai Inos wrote:jaksol JAK darnson wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why on earth would you make the distinction of removing vehicles from non-OMS and keeping them in OMS when they're not even two distinct gamemodes? they used to be as seperate ones so you chould pick it i miss that And changing it made some sense when the two where basically the same thing. Now that one of them puts in place arbitrary restrictions that completely disqualify a large part of the community from participating with their chosen playstile while the inability to actually choose defeats the point if this change in for the other the first place... yeah, separating them again might help, but only as a band aid for the band aid. As someone with zero SP in either AV or vehicles I happen to believe that this is a short sighted, purely symptomatic approach to the "tankbush" problem to begin with but it seems I'm with the minority here. Thats a fair comment to make, as a tanker that makes sense to me, but also as a Tanker I have to admit that you have to look at the results of including HAV in ambush...... how many play styles do we lock down and wreck? Most if not all. I personally never felt "locked down". Sure, I might die a bunch at times or see my team lose without much I could do about it but most of the time, they're not any worse than good PRO squad with your favourite blood boiling tactics (cloaky scout, double rep sentines etc.). They're actually easier to avoid in my experience.
But even if. Since when is locking someone out of a game mode, because he had locked out others from said game mode himself, considered progress or a solution? We are in absolute agreement that infantry v pilot balance is lopsided. What I don't get is why Rattati elected not to observe the effect the bravo changes have before resorting to this pretty extreme measure. One which I mad add already shows a critical flaw that might not be fixable without a client patch as opposed to serverside balance.
You can take a benign object, -you can take a cheeseburger and deconstruct it to its source...
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Beld Errmon
1689
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Posted - 2014.06.19 10:35:00 -
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noobsniper the 2nd wrote:Beld Errmon wrote:with the changes they made to tanks last hotfix and today, blaster tanks hardly seem like a problem anymore. So says you I have been wrecking ppl all day with blaster tanks
Yes I'm afraid i didn't give the changes much of a try, I'm far too busy destroying 6 tanks and multiple dropships every match with my incubus :D
Pilot - Tanker - FOTM (insert here)
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
129
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:24:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description.
LOL, so your best answer to tanks is run awaaaaaaay.... you are such a brave player, anyone ever tell you that?
Personally by forge is very happy when all those garbage tanks get pulled in *NOM NOM NOM* free WP
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED
YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN
-Romulus H3X
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Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
2262
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Posted - 2014.06.19 11:52:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description. LOL, so your best answer to tanks is run awaaaaaaay.... you are such a brave player, anyone ever tell you that? Personally by forge is very happy when all those garbage tanks get pulled in *NOM NOM NOM* free WP
I see you struggle to follow threads. Better luck with the next one.
Judge For CPM 1 youtube
Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
129
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Posted - 2014.06.19 12:08:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:ROMULUS H3X wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description. LOL, so your best answer to tanks is run awaaaaaaay.... you are such a brave player, anyone ever tell you that? Personally by forge is very happy when all those garbage tanks get pulled in *NOM NOM NOM* free WP I see you struggle to follow threads. Better luck with the next one.
I see you struggle to kill tanks. Better luck with the next one.
See how this works? You QQ on the forums about tanks... you ruin my fun with tanks... I'd rather fight an army of indestructable tanks and WIN than fighting a bunch of garbage ones.... where is the honor?
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED
YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN
-Romulus H3X
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KEROSIINI-TERO
The Rainbow Effect
1077
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Posted - 2014.06.19 13:37:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description.
Lame recommendation.
Sorry that I had to judge you.
EDIT: the reason being that leavers ruin many games. So far we haven't had that infestation in dust so far (mainly due the win/loss rewards being so equal)
:-S
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Judge Rhadamanthus
Amarr Templar One
2262
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Posted - 2014.06.19 13:55:00 -
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KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: the reason being that leavers ruin many games. So far we haven't had that infestation in dust so far (mainly due the win/loss rewards being so equal)
So what are the options? I want to do an Ambush. I queue. Its OMS. I don't enjoy OMS. So... I should stay even though the current state of it is unenjoyable?
It is the state of the game mode that causes people to leave. That is the base issue. My leaving is a symptom, not a cause. It's the secondary step in the causal chain you identify as existing, not the first step.
Judge For CPM 1 youtube
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Scheneighnay McBob
Cult of Gasai
5339
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Posted - 2014.06.19 14:09:00 -
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calisk galern wrote:Arkena Wyrnspire wrote:Why on earth would you make the distinction of removing vehicles from non-OMS and keeping them in OMS when they're not even two distinct gamemodes? well back in the day infantry av could handle tanks, and thus oms was the only ambush game mode capable of handling tanks. now that infantry av can't handle tanks they should of removed them from oms as well.
Or, ambush infantry could get their **** together and AV like skirmish and domination infantry.
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Racro 01 Arifistan
501st Knights of Leanbox
357
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Posted - 2014.06.19 15:27:00 -
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Beld Errmon wrote:with the changes they made to tanks last hotfix and today, blaster tanks hardly seem like a problem anymore.
and we see more heavies every day that mutilate infantry.
Elite Gallenten Soldier
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
129
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:44:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: the reason being that leavers ruin many games. So far we haven't had that infestation in dust so far (mainly due the win/loss rewards being so equal) So what are the options? I want to do an Ambush. I queue. Its OMS. I don't enjoy OMS. So... I should stay even though the current state of it is unenjoyable? It is the state of the game mode that causes people to leave. That is the base issue. My leaving is a symptom, not a cause. It's the secondary step in the causal chain you identify as existing, not the first step.
What's so scary about tanks? They are easy to hit since they are so big... their armor repair isn't OVER POWERED anymore eithe. Not to mention ambush only allows 2 of them MAX, there's usually a dropship up in the air first nowadays so OMG 1 tank might be strolling around EVERYONE RUUUUUUUUUN!!!!!
You are telling me people actually leave battle because there is a possibility that 2 garbage tanks might be on the field?
Ain't no clone's, just clowns round here huh?
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED
YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN
-Romulus H3X
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10855
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:52:00 -
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The cross hairs on blaster turrets are atrocious now. Even with the dispersion on the dot cross hairs I could atleast maintain a reasonable accuracy, with the HMG one its garbage, not even sure where I am trying to shoot anymore.
Tanking in Dust has just gone down hill since Chromosome.....I'd actually rather have hyper expensive and flimsy HAV from 1.3 back over the current trash anyday.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
2034
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Posted - 2014.06.19 20:58:00 -
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ROMULUS H3X wrote:What's so scary about tanks? They are easy to hit since they are so big... their armor repair isn't OVER POWERED anymore eithe. Not to mention ambush only allows 2 of them MAX, there's usually a dropship up in the air first nowadays so OMG 1 tank might be strolling around EVERYONE RUUUUUUUUUN!!!!!
You are telling me people actually leave battle because there is a possibility that 2 garbage tanks might be on the field?
Ain't no clone's, just clowns round here huh?
You might want to quite while you're behind, making these assumptions on why Judge quits. He has no problem with killing HAVs given he's one of the best ADS pilots in the game. His youtube is pretty hard evidence of this. He leaves ambush OMS for other reasons, in that he (as am I and a lot of others, however debatable that is) have a problem with any combat vehicle in the mode. I've never seen him bring his ADS to ambush as he understood how unbalancing they can be, just as I never brought my HAV to it back before the respec.
It's a philosophical decision, not one born out of the ability to kill HAVs given that he has arguably the best tool do even do that.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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ROMULUS H3X
research lab
129
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:19:00 -
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Xocoyol Zaraoul wrote:ROMULUS H3X wrote:What's so scary about tanks? They are easy to hit since they are so big... their armor repair isn't OVER POWERED anymore eithe. Not to mention ambush only allows 2 of them MAX, there's usually a dropship up in the air first nowadays so OMG 1 tank might be strolling around EVERYONE RUUUUUUUUUN!!!!!
You are telling me people actually leave battle because there is a possibility that 2 garbage tanks might be on the field?
Ain't no clone's, just clowns round here huh? You might want to quite while you're behind, making these assumptions on why Judge quits. He has no problem with killing HAVs given he's one of the best ADS pilots in the game. His youtube is pretty hard evidence of this. He leaves ambush OMS for other reasons, in that he (as am I and a lot of others, however debatable that is) have a problem with any combat vehicle in the mode. I've never seen him bring his ADS to ambush as he understood how unbalancing they can be, just as I never brought my HAV to it back before the respec. It's a philosophical decision, not one born out of any inability to kill HAVs given that he has arguably the best tool do even do that.
I've destroyed his ADS plenty of time's to know he is a decent pilot. All dropship pilots look like ACEs on the field when there isn't a decent Forger on the field, hate to have broke that to you.
Now I am being told that the reason he leaves battles in OMS is because his dropship piloting is too good to fight others in OMS, bunch of clowns you guys are.
Just be happy that 50% of the time you won't have assault vehicles.
Spoiled bratts, every single one of you.
FORGE/FLAYLOCK/FISTS--NUFF SED
YOU SHALL NOT CATCH ME FOR I AM THE GINGERBREAD FATMAN
-Romulus H3X
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Soraya Xel
Abandoned Privilege
Top Men.
2739
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:24:00 -
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Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: the reason being that leavers ruin many games. So far we haven't had that infestation in dust so far (mainly due the win/loss rewards being so equal) So what are the options? I want to do an Ambush. I queue. Its OMS. I don't enjoy OMS. So... I should stay even though the current state of it is unenjoyable? It is the state of the game mode that causes people to leave. That is the base issue. My leaving is a symptom, not a cause. It's the secondary step in the causal chain you identify as existing, not the first step.
You leaving IS the cause. If people play Ambush/Ambush OMS normally, queuing will work normally. Which means, you'll have a better chance of getting normal Ambush, that match type you want. And furthermore, allowing queuing to working normally ensures that tankers have a lesser chance to get OMS, making them less likely to enter the Ambush queue, meaning you'll see less tankers even in Ambush OMS. Which means a better experience for you in OMS.
Ambush OMS will be more enjoyable if you just play it. And due to the queuing concerns I presented in my earlier post, you'll even get Ambush more often if you just play it.
So just freaking play it.
I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
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True Adamance
Praetoriani Classiarii Templares
Praetoria Imperialis Excubitoris
10859
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Posted - 2014.06.19 21:27:00 -
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Soraya Xel wrote:Judge Rhadamanthus wrote:KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: the reason being that leavers ruin many games. So far we haven't had that infestation in dust so far (mainly due the win/loss rewards being so equal) So what are the options? I want to do an Ambush. I queue. Its OMS. I don't enjoy OMS. So... I should stay even though the current state of it is unenjoyable? It is the state of the game mode that causes people to leave. That is the base issue. My leaving is a symptom, not a cause. It's the secondary step in the causal chain you identify as existing, not the first step. You leaving IS the cause. If people play Ambush/Ambush OMS normally, queuing will work normally. Which means, you'll have a better chance of getting normal Ambush, that match type you want. And furthermore, allowing queuing to working normally ensures that tankers have a lesser chance to get OMS, making them less likely to enter the Ambush queue, meaning you'll see less tankers even in Ambush OMS. Which means a better experience for you in OMS. Ambush OMS will be more enjoyable if you just play it. And due to the queuing concerns I presented in my earlier post, you'll even get Ambush more often if you just play it. So just freaking play it.
Yup tried to gauge the differences last night...couldn't get into a single standard Ambush Match, only OMS...... I mean the Blaster Tanks aiming reticule coupled with dispersion makes it literally impossible to hit anything........, all we have to worry about in OMS is skill stacking ADS pilots.
"You are weak Ouryon....weakness serves not the Empire. I shall teach you strength."
-Yurius of the Brutor to Ouryon
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