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Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2248	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:54:00 - [1] - Quote OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2250	Posted - 2014.06.18 15:25:00 - [2] - Quote RayRay James wrote: Judge, you're one of the best ADS pilots I've ever seen but I'm not sure why this is a problem. If I can kill tanks with a Python, you surely must be able too. With the changes to tanks today, cant you (or I) just blow them up from the sky until they stop bringing in their treaded vehicles of (former) terror? I just feel its more fun, for the most players when there are no vehicles. Sure I can melt tanks with my Incubus. But I feel the majority of the playrs would enjoy the game mode more without vehicles Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2253	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:22:00 - [3] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: Judge... do I have to squad with you in my Forge fit? Really I respect you, but what I'm hearing from you is not CPM material. The majority of the players I have spoken to,do not support this change. I am simply expressing their view, and mine too. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2255	Posted - 2014.06.18 17:02:00 - [4] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: The problem is, leaving battle to all OMS matches does nothing but ruins the experience for ALL Ambush players. It ties the matchmaking system up constantly trying to refill the OMS matches, and ensures the OMS players get a worse experience through uneven and unfilled teams. Meanwhile, those wanting to play normal Ambush itself will have a harder time finding it because the matchmaking queue keeps trying to finish filling the OMS rooms. Basically, you're telling everyone to ruin Ambush for everyone rather than advocate allowing the metrics from this patch to help determine where to go in the next one. No one should play a game mode they do not like. If people want to leave. They should. I support anyone who finds an experience unenjoyable to abandon that experience. Are you seriously advocating people should play a mode they hate just so those in that mode, doing the things they hate, have a good time? Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2258	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:20:00 - [5] - Quote Gelan Corbaine wrote: shaman oga wrote: This is the reason why they did not split OMS and Ambush again, nobody would play OMS if not forced, except duna and some other stat padders. Bullkitten. I'd happily play OMS and I'm I don't even have any points in vehicles aside from just enough points to unlock a jeep . Plenty of points in AV though . To Judge you can't wall off the only quick game mode we got from a a significant portion of the community . I'm all for separating Ambush and OMS ..... but removing vehicles is a no go for me . The problem, is that separating them is a client update. SO we are at an impasse. Many don't want to play OMS, but have to queue for it. Many leave as soon as they get in. This screws up the sides. Should they stay? not if they hate the mode. Should they not queue? Wellif they like ambush they have to. So what can we do? Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2262	Posted - 2014.06.19 11:52:00 - [6] - Quote ROMULUS H3X wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description. LOL, so your best answer to tanks is run awaaaaaaay.... you are such a brave player, anyone ever tell you that? Personally by forge is very happy when all those garbage tanks get pulled in NOM NOM NOM free WP I see you struggle to follow threads. Better luck with the next one. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2262	Posted - 2014.06.19 13:55:00 - [7] - Quote KEROSIINI-TERO wrote: the reason being that leavers ruin many games. So far we haven't had that infestation in dust so far (mainly due the win/loss rewards being so equal) So what are the options? I want to do an Ambush. I queue. Its OMS. I don't enjoy OMS. So... I should stay even though the current state of it is unenjoyable? It is the state of the game mode that causes people to leave. That is the base issue. My leaving is a symptom, not a cause. It's the secondary step in the causal chain you identify as existing, not the first step. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2269	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:57:00 - [8] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: You leaving IS the cause....So just freaking play it. demanding people play one mode, when they infact queued with the express purpose of playing another mode is unjustifiable. There is no way for me to just play non OMS ambush without queuing for OMS. The issue is CCPs implementation not anyone's decision to only play what they enjoy. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2272	Posted - 2014.06.20 07:17:00 - [9] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Gareth Verenar wrote: ......The only intended result should be the enjoyment of the player at the time of play. Sure. Sure? Soraya Xel wrote: So just freaking play it. Make up your mind. Is it : a) The only intended result should be the enjoyment of the player at the time of play. or b) So just freaking play it. It cant be both but you seem to want to play both sides here. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2275	Posted - 2014.06.20 09:44:00 - [10] - Quote castba wrote: Judge Rhadamanthus wrote: OMS is still a tank happy lame fest. I fully recommend leaving battle right as soon as you see that OMS in the battle description. So grab some AV at your local supply depot? The ability to do is why VEHICLES (not just tanks) are still in OMS. I thought higher of you Judge, perhaps I was mistaken. There was a few lenghty threads on this a while back. Including a long discussion on the now removed dev thread. The issue is not about AV. Its about map design and the spawn system. AV players are weak to infantry. The best way to be effective with AV, is to establish a position, or identify the front line and keep an area free from vehicles. The AV player needs the infantry to support him while he stares up at the sky or into the distance at a tank. In any ambush mode the enemy can start spawning behind you. There is no way to predict it. You can be waiting on a tank to come round into the trap you set, but an enemy spawns behind you, the front line moves and you get shot in the back. THe teams tend to flow round the map. So the front line changes. This means the AV have to keep up with the team to be in place to support and kill vehicles on that front line. This hurts heavy players with forges the most. With the 2 vehicle limit a heavy will be unlikely to get a LAV to use to keep up. The maps themselves are often too open and small for AV to use their advantage; range. It is these issues that unbalance the game mode when you add vehicles. It is also the fact that new players need a place to ease into the new concept of fittings, weapon use and ISK loss. Proto tanks and dropships that they simply have zero chance to engage do not make for an enjoyable NPE. Go into the academy. Follow a squad to graduation, as I have done several times, and listen to what they say. Vehicles make them quit. What we need is two queues. This is my point. HOWEVER. if the player numbers cannot support that. Then we have to leave the queues merged. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion

Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2275	Posted - 2014.06.20 11:40:00 - [11] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: strokes broken Wyrikomi swarm launcher Off topic : But the dropship changes patched in yesterday - incubus swarm efficiency from 55% to 80%. Any noticeable effects? easier kills? I have not been hit with proto yet. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2279	Posted - 2014.06.20 14:33:00 - [12] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Your enjoyment at the time of play will be enhanced if you stop trying to game the system, and just play it. Game the system? What are you going on about? Gaming the system is an exploitation of the rules to gain an advantage, How about you explain how you think I am exploiting the queue system and what advantage I gain over others using the queue system. Also how is playing a game mode I do not currently want to play enhancing my enjoyment? That statement makes no sense at all. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion
Judge Rhadamanthus Amarr Templar One 2282	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:35:00 - [13] - Quote Takahashi Kashuken wrote: Cry moar You wanted railguns to be deleted from the game because they killed you You complained about the MCC causing so much damage because you flew into it Now you dont like OMS because yet again vehicles can kill you If you didnt back out as much as you do and got good at the game then maybe it wouldnt be a problem for you Go get banned again. It's been peaceful troll. Judge For CPM 1 youtube Twitter @Judge_EVELegion

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