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Kain Spero Goonfeet 3631	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:20:00 - [1] - Quote In case you missed it the Planetary Conquest changes are now live on the server: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2214627#post2214627 Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2724	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:27:00 - [2] - Quote QQ Nyain San. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Long Evity 1676	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:34:00 - [3] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. Not really, with the ISK they have they can reasonably pay someone to just sell there clones off there districts before each re-up to continue getting the Passive. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3615	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:54:00 - [4] - Quote Indeed. I am actually going to login regularly now as the gameplay itself with the changes looks fun. Complex shield regs getting a buff really has made me happy. Thank you shayz. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 755	Posted - 2014.06.18 15:37:00 - [5] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2581	Posted - 2014.06.18 15:40:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc But we can still farm bush Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3631	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:11:00 - [7] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc But we can still farm bush It seems vehicles being removed from ambush is likely, so going to have trouble there as well. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Long Evity 1678	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:13:00 - [8] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc But we can still farm bush It seems vehicles being removed from ambush is likely, so going to have trouble there as well. There's Ambush OMS - they can just farm that. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3631	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:21:00 - [9] - Quote Ambush OMS and Regular separately selectable again? Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2582	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:32:00 - [10] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc But we can still farm bush It seems vehicles being removed from ambush is likely, so going to have trouble there as well. 90% of Nyain doesn't use vehicles you won't see complaints from us. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2727	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:46:00 - [11] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Ambush OMS and Regular separately selectable again? Nope. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 133	Posted - 2014.06.18 17:03:00 - [12] - Quote lol yes because these changes definitely effect Nyain the most. CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 386	Posted - 2014.06.18 17:39:00 - [13] - Quote I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
Long Evity 1680	Posted - 2014.06.18 17:46:00 - [14] - Quote Roman837 wrote: I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. Althought this is correct, there is also a flaw with this theory. If the top corps remove all the small ones - where will you feed? Unless, of course, the top corps are happy with just fighting each other all day again like... what's been going on for the past year. Guess we'll see where things land. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 133	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:07:00 - [15] - Quote Roman837 wrote: I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. memories of STB roman? CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3631	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:12:00 - [16] - Quote Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2584	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:28:00 - [17] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. People who don't have districts will have to grind and even then why would you PC? For a good fight? Unless I missed something there is no point other than good fights. Not like I care either way though. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 180	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:31:00 - [18] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. You and your buddies already answered that with the first donut. They want isk, regardless of whether it ruins the game or not.......just like you and the rest of the DNS alliance did. What makes you think the rest of the people you fed on for months don't want to do the same thing (or continue doing what they did in DNS, just flopped what alliance they belong to).
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 8	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:40:00 - [19] - Quote But it's true, only new teams will have problems to take isk. All vets alliances have lot of money, districts and good players. So they have big chances to win lot of fights. New comers have no isk, no skills and no experience. attacking with genolution packs cost 150 millions to take a district, only if you win all fights. And with 3 days for 3 fights, it's easy for defensors to call for an Eve support and to take their best players So new corporation in PC will take at least 6 months to be competitive, if they train all days, if they farm isk to pay the clone packs for months to attack 1 or 2 times, and if they stay in the game after seeing all of this days after days. And if they finally take a district, they are fresh meat for big vets corp. The solution could be adapting clone pack price in regards of corp members skills and experience. Nyain San or others want to launch clone pack? Bim 100 millions. A new little corp try, ok 10 millions. They could train a lot without spending all isk, and without farming 1 month for 1 match.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3633	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:11:00 - [20] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: But it's true, only new teams will have problems to take isk. All vets alliances have lot of money, districts and good players. So they have big chances to win lot of fights. New comers have no isk, no skills and no experience. attacking with genolution packs cost 150 millions to take a district, only if you win all fights. And with 3 days for 3 fights, it's easy for defensors to call for an Eve support and to take their best players So new corporation in PC will take at least 6 months to be competitive, if they train all days, if they farm isk to pay the clone packs for months to attack 1 or 2 times, and if they stay in the game after seeing all of this days after days. And if they finally take a district, they are fresh meat for big vets corp. The solution could be adapting clone pack price in regards of corp members skills and experience. Nyain San or others want to launch clone pack? Bim 100 millions. A new little corp try, ok 10 millions. They could train a lot without spending all isk, and without farming 1 month for 1 match. Only problem is varying the price could be easily gamed by the use of alt corps. It all comes down to the core flaw of PC which is clones being used as your method of attack and ISK generation. The current changes actually allow you to recoup funds much more rapidly if you win your fights than the old setup. The more you fight the more ISK you can make. As an example there is about 7 billion ISK locked up in Nyain San's districts that are all set to the same timer and impossible to defend all at once. The only real barrier is the timer and people actually working together. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news

Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2584	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:11:00 - [21] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: But it's true, only new teams will have problems to take isk. All vets alliances have lot of money, districts and good players. So they have big chances to win lot of fights. New comers have no isk, no skills and no experience. attacking with genolution packs cost 150 millions to take a district, only if you win all fights. And with 3 days for 3 fights, it's easy for defensors to call for an Eve support and to take their best players So new corporation in PC will take at least 6 months to be competitive, if they train all days, if they farm isk to pay the clone packs for months to attack 1 or 2 times, and if they stay in the game after seeing all of this days after days. And if they finally take a district, they are fresh meat for big vets corp. The solution could be adapting clone pack price in regards of corp members skills and experience. Nyain San or others want to launch clone pack? Bim 100 millions. A new little corp try, ok 10 millions. They could train a lot without spending all isk, and without farming 1 month for 1 match. And even if you got a district you wouldn't make isk from it therefor if someone took the district from you you'd be back at grinding pubs for a clone pack. Sucks for new corps Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3633	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:15:00 - [22] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: And even if you got a district you wouldn't make isk from it therefor if someone took the district from you you'd be back at grinding pubs for a clone pack. Sucks for new corps Because the old system of breaking in with 120 clones at 36 mil a pop to then have to wait almost 2 weeks not fighting praying that you didn't get attacked so you could extract passive ISK to break even was infinitely better? Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2584	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:29:00 - [23] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: And even if you got a district you wouldn't make isk from it therefor if someone took the district from you you'd be back at grinding pubs for a clone pack. Sucks for new corps Because the old system of breaking in with 120 clones at 36 mil a pop to then have to wait almost 2 weeks not fighting praying that you didn't get attacked so you could extract passive ISK to break even was infinitely better? No but I'm asking what's the point now? Before you got isk now you get nothing. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 9	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:34:00 - [24] - Quote Ok, I think it's better in this point. The real problem is when corporations are too greedys. Now, it has no interest to have 70 districts. Every team with more than 10 could help little corporations to come in. Or maybe they could continue to stay in the same circle of 100 vets with their 200 districts. I don't know if it's the same to you, but lot of new players are coming. Days after days, we have more and more applications. Maybe people bored by Cod or bf or others. And they have the sensation of a control by the biggest vets corps. Possibility seems closed in planetary conquest, so they stay a couple of weeks and they go to other games. It is the responsability of all of us to stop disgusting all new comers, and principaly in PC.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3633	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:41:00 - [25] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Ok, I think it's better in this point. The real problem is when corporations are too greedys. Now, it has no interest to have 70 districts. Every team with more than 10 could help little corporations to come in. Or maybe they could continue to stay in the same circle of 100 vets with their 200 districts. I don't know if it's the same to you, but lot of new players are coming. Days after days, we have more and more applications. Maybe people bored by Cod or bf or others. And they have the sensation of a control by the biggest vets corps. Possibility seems closed in planetary conquest, so they stay a couple of weeks and they go to other games. It is the responsability of all of us to stop disgusting all new comers, and principaly in PC. Oh, I agree it's actually in corp's like Nyain San's interest to give up a large chunk of their over 75 districts an allow other corporations in PC especially other Japanese and AU timezone corporations. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3420	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:42:00 - [26] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Ok, I think it's better in this point. The real problem is when corporations are too greedys. Now, it has no interest to have 70 districts. Every team with more than 10 could help little corporations to come in. Or maybe they could continue to stay in the same circle of 100 vets with their 200 districts. I don't know if it's the same to you, but lot of new players are coming. Days after days, we have more and more applications. Maybe people bored by Cod or bf or others. And they have the sensation of a control by the biggest vets corps. Possibility seems closed in planetary conquest, so they stay a couple of weeks and they go to other games. It is the responsability of all of us to stop disgusting all new comers, and principaly in PC. This is -exactly- what we've been hoping to accomplish these last few weeks. and if you know anyone looking for have districts Nyain San -still- has districts they are willing to give away to corps with the fire and capacity to use them to fight. I humbly ask you support my candidacy for CPM1 CEO of FA Skype: Zatara.Rought
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 755	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:48:00 - [27] - Quote I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3073	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:56:00 - [28] - Quote Oh the hypocrisy is rich in this thread... The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2728	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:00:00 - [29] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 11	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:01:00 - [30] - Quote And what about a topic to meet new PC comers. They present themselves with a full 16 and ask to be checked by experienced corp. We make an arrangement to pay the half of the clone pack and they attack one of us. just to know if they have the strengh to stay. If not, we show them how to progress, and they do another test lately. Obviously, someone will reply "what? you want to decide who comes in and which corp stays out?! etc..." But if we don't do that, after 2 days, new corporations are attacked by big alliances and they lose their district directly. Do you see on dust charts, last week it was 57 corporations in Molden. Now 46. So it's clear, the first target are the new comers.

Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 756	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:04:00 - [31] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. i believe NS has the right to pick the corps we give districts to
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 388	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:06:00 - [32] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. i believe NS has the right to pick the corps we give districts to Agreed. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3420	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:31:00 - [33] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. "Sell" I humbly ask you support my candidacy for CPM1 CEO of FA Skype: Zatara.Rought
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2729	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:14:00 - [34] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. i believe NS has the right to pick the corps we give districts to I'm just saying, any "problem" is one of your own making. Giving up districts can be done by any director, any time, with simplicity and ease. :) I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 133	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:23:00 - [35] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. i believe NS has the right to pick the corps we give districts to I'm just saying, any "problem" is one of your own making. Giving up districts can be done by any director, any time, with simplicity and ease. :) and this has anything to do with you because....? CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Long Evity 1681	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:34:00 - [36] - Quote DJINN n Juice wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. i believe NS has the right to pick the corps we give districts to I'm just saying, any "problem" is one of your own making. Giving up districts can be done by any director, any time, with simplicity and ease. :) and this has anything to do with you because....? CPM Candidate. Can you stop showing everyone how stupid you are? We know already. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 133	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:38:00 - [37] - Quote Long Evity wrote: DJINN n Juice wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. i believe NS has the right to pick the corps we give districts to I'm just saying, any "problem" is one of your own making. Giving up districts can be done by any director, any time, with simplicity and ease. :) and this has anything to do with you because....? CPM Candidate. Can you stop showing everyone how stupid you are? We know already. ok, last time i checked being CPM has nothing to do with Nyain San, or their districts. who's the stupid one? CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Long Evity 1681	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:40:00 - [38] - Quote Pretty sure we're discussing Dust mechanics and who it effects. Poor Rampage, trolling himself. You know that's my job because no one cares enough about you anymore. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 757	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:40:00 - [39] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. i believe NS has the right to pick the corps we give districts to I'm just saying, any "problem" is one of your own making. Giving up districts can be done by any director, any time, with simplicity and ease. :) Heres why you logic is flawed NS gets rid of X amount of district CORP A gets them all after we simply leave them unoccupied then CORP A decides to blitz rest of our district so that why i feel like NS has earned the right to give the district to corps of our choosing and the way you have talked in the passed Soraya your corp stand little to no chance to get one from us
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 133	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:42:00 - [40] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. i believe NS has the right to pick the corps we give districts to I'm just saying, any "problem" is one of your own making. Giving up districts can be done by any director, any time, with simplicity and ease. :) Im just saying your corp has no chance to get a district from us tell him MMG! CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.

DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 133	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:44:00 - [41] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Pretty sure we're discussing Dust mechanics and who it effects. Poor Rampage, trolling himself. You know that's my job because no one cares enough about you anymore. you guys, sure. but i wasn't and last time i checked nyain san districts aern't dust mechanics their property of Nyain. CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Long Evity 1681	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:47:00 - [42] - Quote DJINN n Juice wrote: Long Evity wrote: Pretty sure we're discussing Dust mechanics and who it effects. Poor Rampage, trolling himself. You know that's my job because no one cares enough about you anymore. you guys, sure. but i wasn't and last time i checked nyain san districts aern't dust mechanics their property of Nyain. So, you get to change subjects then complains he's still around? Cute. Why are you still on the forums then? You became irrelevant a while ago. Lol I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 133	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:48:00 - [43] - Quote Long Evity wrote: DJINN n Juice wrote: Long Evity wrote: Pretty sure we're discussing Dust mechanics and who it effects. Poor Rampage, trolling himself. You know that's my job because no one cares enough about you anymore. you guys, sure. but i wasn't and last time i checked nyain san districts aern't dust mechanics their property of Nyain. So, you get to change subjects then complains he's still around? Cute. Why are you still on the forums then? You became irrelevant a while ago. Lol still trolling in that NPC corp sota? lol. CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Long Evity 1683	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:55:00 - [44] - Quote DJINN n Juice wrote: Long Evity wrote: DJINN n Juice wrote: Long Evity wrote: Pretty sure we're discussing Dust mechanics and who it effects. Poor Rampage, trolling himself. You know that's my job because no one cares enough about you anymore. you guys, sure. but i wasn't and last time i checked nyain san districts aern't dust mechanics their property of Nyain. So, you get to change subjects then complains he's still around? Cute. Why are you still on the forums then? You became irrelevant a while ago. Lol still trolling in that NPC corp sota? lol. Still trying to get Black Ice to 'merge'? LOL GG, was very ez. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 134	Posted - 2014.06.18 21:59:00 - [45] - Quote Long Evity wrote: DJINN n Juice wrote: Long Evity wrote: DJINN n Juice wrote: Long Evity wrote: Pretty sure we're discussing Dust mechanics and who it effects. Poor Rampage, trolling himself. You know that's my job because no one cares enough about you anymore. you guys, sure. but i wasn't and last time i checked nyain san districts aern't dust mechanics their property of Nyain. So, you get to change subjects then complains he's still around? Cute. Why are you still on the forums then? You became irrelevant a while ago. Lol still trolling in that NPC corp sota? lol. Still trying to get Black Ice to 'merge'? LOL GG, was very ez. nope, she called it off. It's for the best though, she wants to build her community and i want to build my PC team. we had two very different ideas, though i would of loved for her to take some of the load off of my shoulders, i respect her decision and will continue to back her on any of her endeavors. As for my corp, well, i just picked up 4 VERY strong players.. Goofy is just about ready to show our faces. im just waiting for a certain... fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap fap star to come to his senses and put in his application. ;) CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 173	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:00:00 - [46] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. What's the point of fighting now Kane? Corp battles had incentives. Now all youre gnna have is blue corps milking the clones that tshould be passive ISK. Simply ********. Lets make more players quit. Follow your bliss
Killar-12 The Exemplars Top Men. 2876	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:02:00 - [47] - Quote Espeon Bons wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. What's the point of fighting now Kane? Corp battles had incentives. Now all youre gnna have is blue corps milking the clones that tshould be passive ISK. Simply ********. Lets make more players quit. Of course that's the evil goon plan didn't you know? /tinfoilhat Number 1 Consumer of Warp Core Stabilizers in EVE Online Orbital Pilot (FW and PC) if you're interested just mail me
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3636	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:04:00 - [48] - Quote Espeon Bons wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. What's the point of fighting now Kane? Corp battles had incentives. Now all youre gnna have is blue corps milking the clones that tshould be passive ISK. Simply ********. Lets make more players quit. You play PC for team fights, for ISK, and for epeen waving. I'd love to see biomass go even higher, but the problem is that it also increases clone pack price as well. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Long Evity 1683	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:08:00 - [49] - Quote Lol, poor Rampage. Uses more lies to defend himself. Tell me more about how you have 40 PC players (16 of which can't seem to be on at the same time , AE's wallet, and think ERA is not a threat. Black Ice left because no one in our group supports or trust you. If you wanted us to merge into you, you would be in our community channel hanging with us - but you refuse. When I asked you to get ringers from the channel because we have so many vets, you refused. You're not on our side, or her side, your on your own side. I'll enjoy watching your corp fail. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 134	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:16:00 - [50] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Lol, poor Rampage. Uses more lies to defend himself. Tell me more about how you have 40 PC players (16 of which can't seem to be on at the same time , AE's wallet, and think ERA is not a threat. Black Ice left because no one in our group supports or trust you. If you wanted us to merge into you, you would be in our community channel hanging with us - but you refuse. When I asked you to get ringers from the channel because we have so many vets, you refused. You're not on our side, or her side, your on your own side. I'll enjoy watching your corp fail. lol your right, im not on your side, i am however on her side. she may think otherwise, but that's not my issue right now. and im not gunna bully her into believing in me like you seem to be doing so well. One thing i do know about ice is that she comes to her senses eventually, and when she does, she'll know where to find me. speaking for you and your community though, i can honestly care less what you think, or do, or, you know whatever. I stand by all my statements. can you say the same? or are you gunna keep putting your foot in your mouth. lol CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.

DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 134	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:19:00 - [51] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Lol, poor Rampage. Uses more lies to defend himself. Tell me more about how you have 40 PC players (16 of which can't seem to be on at the same time , AE's wallet, and think ERA is not a threat. Black Ice left because no one in our group supports or trust you. If you wanted us to merge into you, you would be in our community channel hanging with us - but you refuse. When I asked you to get ringers from the channel because we have so many vets, you refused. You're not on our side, or her side, your on your own side. I'll enjoy watching your corp fail. also, in case you missed the loldetails, Anime Empire wasn't merging into me. We we're merging into them as ice as CEO. i would only be responsible for the PC team, as i wanted more time to hang out with my friends off game and to play league of legends with marauder and kujo and blizz and soul. CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Long Evity 1684	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:26:00 - [52] - Quote +1 Rampage, keep feeding the forums your bs, makes it a little less dull around here. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2731	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:48:00 - [53] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Heres why you logic is flawed NS gets rid of X amount of district CORP A gets them all after we simply leave them unoccupied then CORP A decides to blitz rest of our district so that why i feel like NS has earned the right to give the district to corps of our choosing and the way you have talked in the passed Soraya your corp stand little to no chance to get one from us Not looking for one from you. But here's where your logic is wrong: If a corp gets them that can't protect them, they'll lose them. And if a corp gets them that can protect them, they would've just taken them from whatever corp you gave them to anyways. Since as soon as you loosen your grip on it, it becomes up for grabs through combat, the idea of you having to hold onto the districts for weeks to find your special pony chosen corp to give them to is pretty irrelevant overall. All this is, is you guys coming up with excuses to keep holding them. If you find a corp later you feel deserves a district, help them capture it, or they'll hopefully be good enough to capture it themselves. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Stiddlefaxq Vherokior Combat Logistics Minmatar Republic 114	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:57:00 - [54] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Espeon Bons wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. What's the point of fighting now Kane? Corp battles had incentives. Now all youre gnna have is blue corps milking the clones that tshould be passive ISK. Simply ********. Lets make more players quit. I'd love to see biomass go even higher. PROOF: KANE JUST WANTS US ALL TO BIOMASS, HE SAID IT.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2731	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:59:00 - [55] - Quote Stiddlefaxq wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Espeon Bons wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. What's the point of fighting now Kane? Corp battles had incentives. Now all youre gnna have is blue corps milking the clones that tshould be passive ISK. Simply ********. Lets make more players quit. I'd love to see biomass go even higher. PROOF: KANE JUST WANTS US ALL TO BIOMASS, HE SAID IT. Actually he wants everyone to listen to our podcast: http://www.biomassed.net Speaking of... Kane, why haven't you come on our show yet? I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 2103	Posted - 2014.06.18 22:59:00 - [56] - Quote DJINN n Juice wrote: Long Evity wrote: Lol, poor Rampage. Uses more lies to defend himself. Tell me more about how you have 40 PC players (16 of which can't seem to be on at the same time , AE's wallet, and think ERA is not a threat. Black Ice left because no one in our group supports or trust you. If you wanted us to merge into you, you would be in our community channel hanging with us - but you refuse. When I asked you to get ringers from the channel because we have so many vets, you refused. You're not on our side, or her side, your on your own side. I'll enjoy watching your corp fail. also, in case you missed the loldetails, Anime Empire wasn't merging into me. We we're merging into them as ice as CEO. i would only be responsible for the PC team, as i wanted more time to hang out with my friends off game and to play league of legends with marauder and kujo and blizz and soul. Pink lady apples are good. Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 757	Posted - 2014.06.18 23:03:00 - [57] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Heres why you logic is flawed NS gets rid of X amount of district CORP A gets them all after we simply leave them unoccupied then CORP A decides to blitz rest of our district so that why i feel like NS has earned the right to give the district to corps of our choosing and the way you have talked in the passed Soraya your corp stand little to no chance to get one from us Not looking for one from you. But here's where your logic is wrong: If a corp gets them that can't protect them, they'll lose them. And if a corp gets them that can protect them, they would've just taken them from whatever corp you gave them to anyways. Since as soon as you loosen your grip on it, it becomes up for grabs through combat, the idea of you having to hold onto the districts for weeks to find your special pony chosen corp to give them to is pretty irrelevant overall. All this is, is you guys coming up with excuses to keep holding them. If you find a corp later you feel deserves a district, help them capture it, or they'll hopefully be good enough to capture it themselves. Its been less then a day since the changes were actually put into the game so you need to chill out, i think you should be more concerned with your election then what we do with our districts
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2731	Posted - 2014.06.18 23:06:00 - [58] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Its been less then a day since the changes were actually put into the game so you need to chill out, i think you should be more concerned with your election then what we do with our districts Ah, but it's been repetitively stated by Nyain San to have nothing to do with the ISK, so today's changes really shouldn't have mattered. ... Unless it was all about the ISK. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 2103	Posted - 2014.06.18 23:15:00 - [59] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Its been less then a day since the changes were actually put into the game so you need to chill out, i think you should be more concerned with your election then what we do with our districts Ah, but it's been repetitively stated by Nyain San to have nothing to do with the ISK, so today's changes really shouldn't have mattered. ... Unless it was all about the ISK. I'm going to explain this in a way only some creepy Latino guy would understand. Nyain are aliens, they work in mysterious ways, and have weird probey things in their basement. But they more or less hung those up. But seriously, why are you talking to FA's hallway cleaner about Nyain districts, (yep, I put him on hall duty when I took over.) Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 757	Posted - 2014.06.18 23:18:00 - [60] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Its been less then a day since the changes were actually put into the game so you need to chill out, i think you should be more concerned with your election then what we do with our districts Ah, but it's been repetitively stated by Nyain San to have nothing to do with the ISK, so today's changes really shouldn't have mattered. ... Unless it was all about the ISK. All I'm saying we have the right to choose who we give our district too

DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 134	Posted - 2014.06.18 23:21:00 - [61] - Quote Long Evity wrote: +1 Rampage, keep feeding the forums your bs, makes it a little less dull around here. k. CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2731	Posted - 2014.06.18 23:33:00 - [62] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: All I'm saying we have the right to choose who we give our district too Nobody ever said you didn't. But we can also point out how it's pointless and more likely just an excuse to hang onto them longer. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
1st Lieutenant Tiberius 0uter.Heaven 1934	Posted - 2014.06.18 23:36:00 - [63] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well I look forward to any updates you have Machine Guns hit me up with a mail in game so we can talk some more. I think this would be a good time as any for Nyain San to help 0.H make their plan on Almur a reality, we've already started it at a smaller scale but having access to those other 18 or districts in Almur would allow for more corporations to be a part of Planetary Conquest. Less crying over spilled milk and more fighting PC battles! The Sinwarden of 0uter.Heaven
Killar-12 The Exemplars Top Men. 2877	Posted - 2014.06.19 01:35:00 - [64] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Its been less then a day since the changes were actually put into the game so you need to chill out, i think you should be more concerned with your election then what we do with our districts Ah, but it's been repetitively stated by Nyain San to have nothing to do with the ISK, so today's changes really shouldn't have mattered. ... Unless it was all about the ISK. All I'm saying we have the right to choose who we give our district too I agree here, they SHOULD give them away, but there is no mandate for them to do so. Number 1 Consumer of Warp Core Stabilizers in EVE Online Orbital Pilot (FW and PC) if you're interested just mail me
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 872	Posted - 2014.06.19 02:18:00 - [65] - Quote Long Evity wrote: Roman837 wrote: I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. Althought this is correct, there is also a flaw with this theory. If the top corps remove all the small ones - where will you feed? Unless, of course, the top corps are happy with just fighting each other all day again like... what's been going on for the past year. Guess we'll see where things land. What was keeping corps out was that all the districts were owned by a few corporations, able to field their A-team whenever needed, exceedingly rich and motivated to keep others out. What has changed is the last part. You now have no incentive to keep others out or hold onto more than a few districts. The strong will still prey on the weak but the weak will still be able to find a place to play and to look for the even weaker. What should happen is that the members of the larger corps will find that their is no advantage to being in a bigger corp if they don't get to participate, there will either be a lot more teams in one corp or the corps will fragment. Because, that's why.
Espeon Bons Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 176	Posted - 2014.06.19 03:51:00 - [66] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Espeon Bons wrote: Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. What's the point of fighting now Kane? Corp battles had incentives. Now all youre gnna have is blue corps milking the clones that tshould be passive ISK. Simply ********. Lets make more players quit. You play PC for team fights, for ISK, and for epeen waving. I'd love to see biomass go even higher, but the problem is that it also increases clone pack price as well. Fighting for the sake of fighting is insanity. Isk? What isk?. Ep waving -_-? There is no ep waving when pc is the next level of pubs. Clone packs will always be a problem. Follow your bliss
LIFE RIPPER Sanmatar Kelkoons Minmatar Republic 232	Posted - 2014.06.19 04:28:00 - [67] - Quote Another fail instigated by QQ Kain.
CUSE TOWN333 KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 682	Posted - 2014.06.19 04:33:00 - [68] - Quote yeah this kind of kills PC for a lot off people because without something on the line and just fighting over nothing now seems kind of pointless. but on a side note this is a great time for new corps and players that never played PC to get in and have some fun now. i see no reason for myself to fight anymore because im going to miss all the wars and drama involved with the old way. The clever combatant imposes his will on the enemy, but does not allow the enemy"s will to be imposed upon him. Sun Tzu
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 203	Posted - 2014.06.19 14:38:00 - [69] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. Dont worry they will find another way to compensate. Roman837 wrote: I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. Yeah your concern for smaller corps is really genuine. Its not like you helped DNS smash many of them out of PC. Infact, I can recall in a thread a few weeks back, you said that you had a few billion stashed away as your "retirement nest egg". Sounds to me like you and your corp were in fact one of the biggest benefactors of this free ISK subsidy. Now that the Obamacare is being turned off, suddenly its all about protecting smaller corps? Lets be honest, its about protecting you and your own interests. Its alright to protect yourself and your own interests, but just be honest about it. Just say that not getting free ISK is going to strain your finances as you wont be able to pay your players on the level you were paying them before. Nothing Certain wrote: What was keeping corps out was that all the districts were owned by a few corporations, able to field their A-team whenever needed, exceedingly rich and motivated to keep others out. What has changed is the last part. You now have no incentive to keep others out or hold onto more than a few districts. The strong will still prey on the weak but the weak will still be able to find a place to play and to look for the even weaker. What should happen is that the members of the larger corps will find that their is no advantage to being in a bigger corp if they don't get to participate, there will either be a lot more teams in one corp or the corps will fragment. ^ Finally someone with a vision that extends past their own nose. People had incentive to fight. Once. After that there was incentive to not fight and to do everything possible to maintain control of the district for ISK welfare checks. Even if thta meant making big alliance and shutting down the entire mode so people could passively collect. Now the people who want fights will find them. The ones looking for a welfare check though, are out of luck. If people are looking for someone to blame, why not point the finger at the people who grabbed a bunch of districts, put things on unreasonable timers, and then used that passive ISK to run Ion Cannon Madrugars in pubs 24/7. Which lead to enough outrage from pub players that CCP had its hand forced into terminating passive ISK. Why not blame those who made it into a problem that needed fixing?
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2598	Posted - 2014.06.19 15:34:00 - [70] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. Dont worry they will find another way to compensate. Roman837 wrote: I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. Yeah your concern for smaller corps is really genuine. Its not like you helped DNS smash many of them out of PC. Infact, I can recall in a thread a few weeks back, you said that you had a few billion stashed away as your "retirement nest egg". Sounds to me like you and your corp were in fact one of the biggest benefactors of this free ISK subsidy. Now that the Obamacare is being turned off, suddenly its all about protecting smaller corps? Lets be honest, its about protecting you and your own interests. Its alright to protect yourself and your own interests, but just be honest about it. Just say that not getting free ISK is going to strain your finances as you wont be able to pay your players on the level you were paying them before. Nothing Certain wrote: What was keeping corps out was that all the districts were owned by a few corporations, able to field their A-team whenever needed, exceedingly rich and motivated to keep others out. What has changed is the last part. You now have no incentive to keep others out or hold onto more than a few districts. The strong will still prey on the weak but the weak will still be able to find a place to play and to look for the even weaker. What should happen is that the members of the larger corps will find that their is no advantage to being in a bigger corp if they don't get to participate, there will either be a lot more teams in one corp or the corps will fragment. ^ Finally someone with a vision that extends past their own nose. People had incentive to fight. Once. After that there was incentive to not fight and to do everything possible to maintain control of the district for ISK welfare checks. Even if thta meant making big alliance and shutting down the entire mode so people could passively collect. Now the people who want fights will find them. The ones looking for a welfare check though, are out of luck. If people are looking for someone to blame, why not point the finger at the people who grabbed a bunch of districts, put things on unreasonable timers, and then used that passive ISK to run Ion Cannon Madrugars in pubs 24/7. Which lead to enough outrage from pub players that CCP had its hand forced into terminating passive ISK. Why not blame those who made it into a problem that needed fixing? The timer is set to where we live not where you live.. Get over it. I've got over 1b isk from using BPO's, you know nothing about us. If I want to use something that costs 600k I have every right to. Though I run proto galente and caldari assault. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 759	Posted - 2014.06.19 15:41:00 - [71] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. Dont worry they will find another way to compensate. Roman837 wrote: I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. Yeah your concern for smaller corps is really genuine. Its not like you helped DNS smash many of them out of PC. Infact, I can recall in a thread a few weeks back, you said that you had a few billion stashed away as your "retirement nest egg". Sounds to me like you and your corp were in fact one of the biggest benefactors of this free ISK subsidy. Now that the Obamacare is being turned off, suddenly its all about protecting smaller corps? Lets be honest, its about protecting you and your own interests. Its alright to protect yourself and your own interests, but just be honest about it. Just say that not getting free ISK is going to strain your finances as you wont be able to pay your players on the level you were paying them before. Nothing Certain wrote: What was keeping corps out was that all the districts were owned by a few corporations, able to field their A-team whenever needed, exceedingly rich and motivated to keep others out. What has changed is the last part. You now have no incentive to keep others out or hold onto more than a few districts. The strong will still prey on the weak but the weak will still be able to find a place to play and to look for the even weaker. What should happen is that the members of the larger corps will find that their is no advantage to being in a bigger corp if they don't get to participate, there will either be a lot more teams in one corp or the corps will fragment. ^ Finally someone with a vision that extends past their own nose. People had incentive to fight. Once. After that there was incentive to not fight and to do everything possible to maintain control of the district for ISK welfare checks. Even if thta meant making big alliance and shutting down the entire mode so people could passively collect. Now the people who want fights will find them. The ones looking for a welfare check though, are out of luck. If people are looking for someone to blame, why not point the finger at the people who grabbed a bunch of districts, put things on unreasonable timers, and then used that passive ISK to run Ion Cannon Madrugars in pubs 24/7. Which lead to enough outrage from pub players that CCP had its hand forced into terminating passive ISK. Why not blame those who made it into a problem that needed fixing? The majority of the district NS took were timers that were unfair to them but you never heard our Japanese players complain about it
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 204	Posted - 2014.06.19 15:55:00 - [72] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: The timer is set to where we live not where you live.. Get over it. I've got over 1b isk from using BPO's, you know nothing about us. If I want to use something that costs 600k I have every right to. Though I run proto galente and caldari assault. Mr Machine Guns wrote: The majority of the district NS took were timers that were unfair to them but you never heard our Japanese players complain about it I know nothing about you? I didn't even mention NS in my post. I merely pointed out that some people created a problem that spilled over into the generally community and forced CCPs hand into making changes. Its not my fault you saw yourselves in my description of the problem. You can justify whatever you did all you want and discuss your "rights" as much as you like. Wont change whats already happened. What i was stating was not opinion it was just fact. If things hadn't of gone down the way they did CCP wouldn't have to fix a created problem. Im just saying dont blame CCP for trying to clean up a mess. Blame the folks who made a mess in the first place. But if it makes you feel better, im sure NS are not exclusively to blame.
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 117	Posted - 2014.06.19 16:02:00 - [73] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The timer is set to where we live not where you live.. Get over it. I've got over 1b isk from using BPO's, you know nothing about us. If I want to use something that costs 600k I have every right to. Though I run proto galente and caldari assault. Mr Machine Guns wrote: The majority of the district NS took were timers that were unfair to them but you never heard our Japanese players complain about it I know nothing about you? I didn't even mention NS in my post. I merely pointed out that some people created a problem that spilled over into the generally community and forced CCPs hand into making changes. Its not my fault you saw yourselves in my description of the problem. You can justify whatever you did all you want and discuss your "rights" as much as you like. Wont change whats already happened. What i was stating was not opinion it was just fact. If things hadn't of gone down the way they did CCP wouldn't have to fix a created problem. Im just saying dont blame CCP for trying to clean up a mess. Blame the folks who made a mess in the first place. But if it makes you feel better, im sure NS are not exclusively to blame. Wait, wait, wait... Don't blame CCP for having abusable mechanics? I smell a fanboy.
Dust User KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 314	Posted - 2014.06.19 16:21:00 - [74] - Quote If I've learned anything playing this game it's this.... If Kane Spero supports it then it's bad news.
LAVALLOIS Nash QcGOLD 204	Posted - 2014.06.19 16:21:00 - [75] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: Wait, wait, wait... Don't blame CCP for having abusable mechanics? I smell a fanboy. Its very simple. There was a freedom, people used it in a way that was detrimental to the community at large, so that freedom was removed. Maybe next time cherish the freedom instead of exploiting it and you wont lose it. Its not about being a CCP fanboy. Its just the way life works.
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 117	Posted - 2014.06.19 16:35:00 - [76] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: Wait, wait, wait... Don't blame CCP for having abusable mechanics? I smell a fanboy. Its very simple. There was a freedom, people used it in a way that was detrimental to the community at large, so that freedom was removed. Maybe next time cherish the freedom instead of exploiting it and you wont lose it. Its not about being a CCP fanboy. Its just the way life works. It's even more simple then that, if it's useable you use it. Trying to blame the community for using that 'freedom' as you call it is where the problem started. It wasn't true freedom, because as soon as they used it it was removed. Why? Because it wasn't intended. What kind of choice is not intended? Usually ones that hurt the game. But how can a player hurt the game? Bad game design.
Derrith Erador The Last of DusT. 2111	Posted - 2014.06.19 17:03:00 - [77] - Quote LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: Wait, wait, wait... Don't blame CCP for having abusable mechanics? I smell a fanboy. Its very simple. There was a freedom, people used it in a way that was detrimental to the community at large, so that freedom was removed. Maybe next time cherish the freedom instead of exploiting it and you wont lose it. Its not about being a CCP fanboy. Its just the way life works. You're in the wrong place if you're preaching about the community and how they've been wronged. Very few people in the war room care about the community after the insane amount of whining and crying they did about PC corps, "OP" weapons (granted there were a few legit points, but not that many), political corruption, and how the police of PFC (back when it existed) were corrupt douchelords who didn't give a crap about the community when they could've easily crushed PFC corps into the ground, instead of trying to help them farm their money and try to help them grow (which no corp on PFC ever did). Betty White, the worlds hottest grandma.
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:12:00 - [78] - Quote Dust User wrote: If I've learned anything playing this game it's this.... If Kane Spero supports it then it's bad news. I supported it too, and still do despite Kane's support . The only thing I would do differently is still pay out the losers some reduced multiple of the winnings to partially compensate for their equipment loss while ratcheting back even further the "default destruction" payout. CCP took it to default 100 clones killed. Even with that default, there's still a pretty good "window" of ISK between the clone pack cost and the battle payout. 30m to be precise. Doling out a bit of that to the losing team could soften the huge ISK-based risk from playing a battle even if you paid nothing for the clones. The key to PC's success now lies with whether the current landowners have the balls and the drive to correctly assess the situation and move accordingly. The only way that PC can remain a fun game mode and at the very least maintain its player base, if not grow it, is for current landowners to: Restrict the number of districts they own to a realistic maximum Be willing to give away excess districts to practically any team willing to take them Provide ubiquitous training to those up-and-coming teams who want to enter PC with no conditions attached Without this level of restraint and dedication, the same downward trajectory in PC playing population is set in stone. In the past there was a lingering incentive to shut out new corporations and control as many districts as humanly possible because of ISK generation. Additionally mid-range corps were given a rather sad incentive to push out newer corps since they were always on the chopping block for getting cut from PC by high win ratio corps. If those same high win ratio corps have even a small amount of insight, they should now be acutely aware that taking any corp out of PC is just shooting themselves in the foot. Long story short- everyone who likes PC and wants it to continue being at all active now has a good reason to get new players into the game and get them up to speed. Even if they become your competition tomorrow, better some competition than none. Have a pony
Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 909	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:13:00 - [79] - Quote Misclicks are so real. Have a pony
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 117	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:27:00 - [80] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: Dust User wrote: If I've learned anything playing this game it's this.... If Kane Spero supports it then it's bad news. I supported it too, and still do despite Kane's support . The only thing I would do differently is still pay out the losers some reduced multiple of what the winning team gets to partially compensate for their equipment loss while ratcheting back even further the "default destruction" payout. CCP took it to default 100 clones killed. Even with that default, there's still a pretty good "window" of ISK between the clone pack cost and the battle payout. 30m to be precise. Doling out a bit of that to the losing team could soften the huge ISK-based risk from playing a battle even if you paid nothing for the clones. The key to PC's success now lies with whether the current landowners have the balls and the drive to correctly assess the situation and move accordingly. The only way that PC can remain a fun game mode and at the very least maintain its player base, if not grow it, is for current landowners to: Restrict the number of districts they own to a realistic maximum Be willing to give away excess districts to practically any team willing to take them Provide ubiquitous training to those up-and-coming teams who want to enter PC with no conditions attached Without this level of restraint and dedication, the same downward trajectory in PC playing population is set in stone. In the past there was a lingering incentive to shut out new corporations and control as many districts as humanly possible because of ISK generation. Additionally mid-range corps were given a rather sad incentive to push out newer corps since they were always on the chopping block for getting cut from PC by high win ratio corps. If those same high win ratio corps have even a small amount of insight, they should now be acutely aware that taking any corp out of PC is just shooting themselves in the foot. Long story short- everyone who likes PC and wants it to continue being at all active now has a good reason to get new players into the game and get them up to speed. Even if they become your competition tomorrow, better some competition than none. one problem with the idea of them shooting themselves in the foot... They could just fight each other and not let anyone else in. Vet groups do not have to share the playground with this system to farm it for all its worth.

Leither Yiltron Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 910	Posted - 2014.06.19 18:53:00 - [81] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Dust User wrote: If I've learned anything playing this game it's this.... If Kane Spero supports it then it's bad news. I supported it too, and still do despite Kane's support . The only thing I would do differently is still pay out the losers some reduced multiple of what the winning team gets to partially compensate for their equipment loss while ratcheting back even further the "default destruction" payout. CCP took it to default 100 clones killed. Even with that default, there's still a pretty good "window" of ISK between the clone pack cost and the battle payout. 30m to be precise. Doling out a bit of that to the losing team could soften the huge ISK-based risk from playing a battle even if you paid nothing for the clones. The key to PC's success now lies with whether the current landowners have the balls and the drive to correctly assess the situation and move accordingly. The only way that PC can remain a fun game mode and at the very least maintain its player base, if not grow it, is for current landowners to: Restrict the number of districts they own to a realistic maximum Be willing to give away excess districts to practically any team willing to take them Provide ubiquitous training to those up-and-coming teams who want to enter PC with no conditions attached Without this level of restraint and dedication, the same downward trajectory in PC playing population is set in stone. In the past there was a lingering incentive to shut out new corporations and control as many districts as humanly possible because of ISK generation. Additionally mid-range corps were given a rather sad incentive to push out newer corps since they were always on the chopping block for getting cut from PC by high win ratio corps. If those same high win ratio corps have even a small amount of insight, they should now be acutely aware that taking any corp out of PC is just shooting themselves in the foot. Long story short- everyone who likes PC and wants it to continue being at all active now has a good reason to get new players into the game and get them up to speed. Even if they become your competition tomorrow, better some competition than none. one problem with the idea of them shooting themselves in the foot... They could just fight each other and not let anyone else in. Vet groups do not have to share the playground with this system to farm it for all its worth. That's actually a lot more stressful and a lot less profitable than the alternative. The higher you push your win ratio with these new mechanics, the higher your profits. The exchange is that burning all participants out of the game is going to remove your ability to participate at all. Have a pony
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 117	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:05:00 - [82] - Quote Leither Yiltron wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: Leither Yiltron wrote: Dust User wrote: If I've learned anything playing this game it's this.... If Kane Spero supports it then it's bad news. I supported it too, and still do despite Kane's support . The only thing I would do differently is still pay out the losers some reduced multiple of what the winning team gets to partially compensate for their equipment loss while ratcheting back even further the "default destruction" payout. CCP took it to default 100 clones killed. Even with that default, there's still a pretty good "window" of ISK between the clone pack cost and the battle payout. 30m to be precise. Doling out a bit of that to the losing team could soften the huge ISK-based risk from playing a battle even if you paid nothing for the clones. The key to PC's success now lies with whether the current landowners have the balls and the drive to correctly assess the situation and move accordingly. The only way that PC can remain a fun game mode and at the very least maintain its player base, if not grow it, is for current landowners to: Restrict the number of districts they own to a realistic maximum Be willing to give away excess districts to practically any team willing to take them Provide ubiquitous training to those up-and-coming teams who want to enter PC with no conditions attached Without this level of restraint and dedication, the same downward trajectory in PC playing population is set in stone. In the past there was a lingering incentive to shut out new corporations and control as many districts as humanly possible because of ISK generation. Additionally mid-range corps were given a rather sad incentive to push out newer corps since they were always on the chopping block for getting cut from PC by high win ratio corps. If those same high win ratio corps have even a small amount of insight, they should now be acutely aware that taking any corp out of PC is just shooting themselves in the foot. Long story short- everyone who likes PC and wants it to continue being at all active now has a good reason to get new players into the game and get them up to speed. Even if they become your competition tomorrow, better some competition than none. one problem with the idea of them shooting themselves in the foot... They could just fight each other and not let anyone else in. Vet groups do not have to share the playground with this system to farm it for all its worth. That's actually a lot more stressful and a lot less profitable than the alternative. The higher you push your win ratio with these new mechanics, the higher your profits. The exchange is that burning all participants out of the game is going to remove your ability to participate at all. Stressful? How? Arranging matches to win some lose some yet still fight is not difficult or stressful in the least. "Hey, we hit here, win twice, lose third. You hit us here, win twice, lose third. Rinse and repeat all over MH." And how would anyone burn out from these matches when to the Vet groups they'll be in all good fun? They'll still be more interesting matches then anything you'll find in Pubs. And every so often another group will try to break in and they'll remind them there place - something vet groups LOVE to do.
Nothing Certain Bioshock Rejects 874	Posted - 2014.06.19 19:59:00 - [83] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: LAVALLOIS Nash wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: The timer is set to where we live not where you live.. Get over it. I've got over 1b isk from using BPO's, you know nothing about us. If I want to use something that costs 600k I have every right to. Though I run proto galente and caldari assault. Mr Machine Guns wrote: The majority of the district NS took were timers that were unfair to them but you never heard our Japanese players complain about it I know nothing about you? I didn't even mention NS in my post. I merely pointed out that some people created a problem that spilled over into the generally community and forced CCPs hand into making changes. Its not my fault you saw yourselves in my description of the problem. You can justify whatever you did all you want and discuss your "rights" as much as you like. Wont change whats already happened. What i was stating was not opinion it was just fact. If things hadn't of gone down the way they did CCP wouldn't have to fix a created problem. Im just saying dont blame CCP for trying to clean up a mess. Blame the folks who made a mess in the first place. But if it makes you feel better, im sure NS are not exclusively to blame. Wait, wait, wait... Don't blame CCP for having abusable mechanics? I smell a fanboy. I agree, blame CCP for having abusable mechanics, people acting in their own self interest is the basis of capitalism, not evil. However, the argument fails to explain why fixing the abusable mechanic is what is being complained about. Because, that's why.
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3074	Posted - 2014.06.19 20:13:00 - [84] - Quote So instead of farming land we will now farm people... #GameChanger #Not The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
The dark cloud The Rainbow Effect 3281	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:26:00 - [85] - Quote ReGnYuM wrote: So instead of farming land we will now farm people... #GameChanger #Not Well farming scrub players is still better then just sitting there and get ISK for doing nothing.
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2601	Posted - 2014.06.19 21:33:00 - [86] - Quote The dark cloud wrote: ReGnYuM wrote: So instead of farming land we will now farm people... #GameChanger #Not Well farming scrub players is still better then just sitting there and get ISK for doing nothing. Idk both are entertaining. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1153	Posted - 2014.06.20 02:28:00 - [87] - Quote The problem with PC has nothing to do with any donut or passive isk or the clone pack price. The problem with PC has to do with ringers. Only allow corp members to participate, limit corp hopping, and make more highly variable the production of clones. Viola, PC problems are solved. But what do I know?
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 117	Posted - 2014.06.20 03:40:00 - [88] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: The problem with PC has nothing to do with any donut or passive isk or the clone pack price. The problem with PC has to do with ringers. Only allow corp members to participate, limit corp hopping, and make more highly variable the production of clones. Viola, PC problems are solved. But what do I know? Wat part of DUST514 IS A MERCENARY GAME DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET??????? Trying to play soldier is probably closer to the problem then people playing a game that tells them they're supposed to be mercs.
Krixus Flux Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 367	Posted - 2014.06.20 04:09:00 - [89] - Quote Reading this thread is like watching multiple fights at an amateur karate tournament! Keep it up bros! QQ Kain, NS is evil, Sota trolls, Rampage...rampages-this is great Saying what's on people's minds
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1154	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:48:00 - [90] - Quote AToS SaGa III wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The problem with PC has nothing to do with any donut or passive isk or the clone pack price. The problem with PC has to do with ringers. Only allow corp members to participate, limit corp hopping, and make more highly variable the production of clones. Viola, PC problems are solved. But what do I know? Wat part of DUST514 IS A MERCENARY GAME DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET??????? Trying to play soldier is probably closer to the problem then people playing a game that tells them they're supposed to be mercs. Oh I get it just fine, Sota. I just think that mechanism has an inherent instability that's been present since day one and has yet to be overcome. As I understand it, in Eve, you can't instantly teleport from one battle to the next, yet in Dust you can. This has allowed a consolidation of power that is damaging to the game, IMO. Do you think today's merc-friendly PC is in a good place? I don't.

AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 118	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:53:00 - [91] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: AToS SaGa III wrote: Leadfoot10 wrote: The problem with PC has nothing to do with any donut or passive isk or the clone pack price. The problem with PC has to do with ringers. Only allow corp members to participate, limit corp hopping, and make more highly variable the production of clones. Viola, PC problems are solved. But what do I know? Wat part of DUST514 IS A MERCENARY GAME DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET??????? Trying to play soldier is probably closer to the problem then people playing a game that tells them they're supposed to be mercs. Oh I get it just fine, Sota. I just think that mechanism has an inherent instability that's been present since day one and has yet to be overcome. As I understand it, in Eve, you can't instantly teleport from one battle to the next, yet in Dust you can. This has allowed a consolidation of power that is damaging to the game, IMO. Do you think today's merc-friendly PC is in a good place? I don't. So, instead of finding creative solutions, you'd rather go the easy route and just get rid of ringing.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1154	Posted - 2014.06.20 13:55:00 - [92] - Quote We've been trying to implement "creative solutions" for what, a year now. How's that gone? What part of broken PC don't you get?
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 118	Posted - 2014.06.20 15:47:00 - [93] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: We've been trying to implement "creative solutions" for what, a year now. How's that gone? What part of broken PC don't you get? If you have a creative solution to this problem, I'm all ears. I offered mine, and instead of considering or commenting on it you brushed it off with a wise-ass comment. That's disappointing, as I thought you were a deeper thinker than that -- but perhaps I'm mistaken. Moving past that.... There are a large number of very successful competitive games that do things very similar to what I've proposed. Oddly enough, I'm not aware of any successful FPS games where mercing like in Dust has been successful. Are you? you see, we disagree on what's breaking PC. It's not ringers, the availability of players is accessible to anyone, so saying that gives on side an advantage means you lack social skills to get it done yourself, this is a sandbox game, after-all. The problem with PC is the fundamental system it's built upon - timers and resources. Without a way for a corp to make money and expand SAFELY they will have no hope in ever taking land and holding it. And if they do - timers will make it incredibly burdensome. The concept of PC itself is flawed to the very core, yet your tunnel vision leads you to believe ringers are the problem. Don't worry, I had no expectations for your thinking powers to begin with. :)
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1155	Posted - 2014.06.20 15:56:00 - [94] - Quote So I guess you don't have any creative ideas, but instead prefer to troll....yet I'm the one lacking social skills and thinking powers? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, please allow me to retort in a way you seem to prefer and with the words of someone wiser than us both: Any fool can condemn, criticize, and complain, and most do. Are you a fool? What's your solution?
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 118	Posted - 2014.06.20 15:59:00 - [95] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: So I guess you don't have any creative ideas, but instead prefer to troll....yet I'm the one lacking social skills and thinking powers? You are certainly entitled to your opinion, please allow me to retort in a way you seem to prefer and with the words of someone wiser than us both: Any fool can condemn, criticize, and complain, and most do. Are you a fool? If I have ideas I do not post them in the war room for people who can't implement them to see. Nor do I use a SoTa account for such things. Gotta keep my baddie rep up, yo. And calling me out on creativity because I find your own tunnel vision is weak defense, care to show me another if i also say your ideas reek of tears? And your opinion, mostly, sucks. You want to punish players for not joining a cooperation and working with them in a game specifically rolled to allow players freedom of choices on how they interact with others. The absurdity of your opinion is laughable at best.
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1155	Posted - 2014.06.20 16:39:00 - [96] - Quote I'm calling you out on creativity, beause you've offered, well, nothing but criticism. Moving past that, I don't think it's tunnel vision, and I'm not punishing anyone. To the contrary, I thought it was a creative way to implement PC in a way that takes what works in other games and apply that to the unique universe of PC/MH -- but I suppose that's a matter of perspective. Of course, if you're one of the few that have profited from the unbalanced game/broken PC mechanics, I can see why you might consider it punishment and/or tunnel vision. If you have such great social skills, attract other players to your cause, and dominate. You will still have the freedom to interact with others how you please, but you have to choose a team and play with them to get better as a group (you know, requiring social skills), rather than jumping ship to the highest bidder. If my ideas reek of tears, it's because I think this game can be so much more, but we're saddled with a universe and competitive gameplay that's simply broken, and, frankly, always has been -- and that is sad...at least from where I sit. Again, if you have any bright ideas, I'm all ears.... but if you would rather troll, please find another victim...
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 119	Posted - 2014.06.20 17:28:00 - [97] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I'm calling you out on creativity, beause you've offered, well, nothing but criticism. Moving past that, I don't think it's tunnel vision, and I'm not punishing anyone except for the good of the game. To the contrary, I thought it was a creative way to implement PC in a way that takes what works in other games and apply that to the unique universe of PC/MH -- but I suppose that's a matter of perspective. And speaking of perspective, of course, if you're one of the few that have profited from the unbalanced game/broken PC mechanics, I can see why you might consider it punishment and/or tunnel vision. If you have such great social skills, attract other players to your cause, and dominate. You will still have the freedom to interact with others how you please, but you have to choose a team and play with them to get better as a group (you know, requiring social skills), rather than jumping ship to the highest bidder, stacking timers, and sitting on your hands. At least now, with the most recent set of changes, sitting on your hands inside the donut doesn't print isk like it used to, but the damage has already been done. If my ideas reek of tears, it's because I think this game can be so much more, but we're saddled with a universe and competitive gameplay that's simply broken, and, frankly, always has been -- and that is sad...at least from where I sit. Because I've come to grips with the fact -- likely before you were even a glimmer in your dad's eyes -- that I'm not going to be the best at any game, or even in the top 10% -- and I'm cool with that. I have plenty of fun playing with the friends I've made in this game, win or lose...I'd just like to see a game that's fun to play that offers something outside pub stomping or the inevitable stacking of teams that the current mechanics have driven us to. Let's also remember, I'm saying this from a leadership position within the donut now, albeit a less profitable one with these latest round of changes. Again, if you have any bright ideas, I'm all ears. Hell, I'll even take some constructive criticism...but if you would rather troll, please find another victim... There is no way to fix current PC mechanics, sadly. The best we could hope for is when Legion comes they scrap it and replace it completely, which most of us expect will happen. My idea on the subject was it to be replaced entirely with a mechanic similar to PS2 - but divided up with more instances. A player would 'lobby' into a game, then have options while in that lobby to hop into whatever district is having a battle, creating an MMO feel. Basically - Planets themselves become giant lobbies. Taking this concept and applying it to PC opens up several routes for CCP to explore with while not being hampered down. Such as lobbies having only limited times of accessibility "Attack/defense timer" or putting down sub-lobbies inside the lobby where rules can be created for districts. With this system it's also possible for a player to leave that lobby to hurriedly join another on that same planet to quickly reinforce it or give that side a role it's missing. But I would also ask for games themselves to be lengthened from 10 minutes to nearly 30. Up clone count considerably so battles will feel less like an FPS lobby and more like you're fighting tooth and nail to hold this land. Wouldn't be wonderful watching the original 16 players shuffle in and out because the effectiveness of the first team wasn't good enough? Which I just got a head of myself. Another reason PC sucks is the lack of options, I've been lobbying for CCP to add in "Cool down effects" to PC. Such as activating AA weaponry for a district, disabling Drop Ships from being deployed, or an EMP field specifically designed for tanks to operate like a hunk of metal with no real control, or a reinforcement increase that would come at a cows as well as CD. The current system is just too broken and the concept is not what we wanted or expected it would be. It's my opinion it should be scrapped entirely, but ringers are too valuable to this game, it allows solo players to feel involved and adds a whole new level of depth and politics. That is why I will fight tooth and nail for ringers to stay. EDIT: Ops, missed out some important details to how this lobby system is different then the current one. It was based on them implanting the Cool Down concept where some would work district wide - and some planet wide. Opening up two sets of lobbies creates more options. Planets just being opened to attack at certain points "ONLY ACCESSIBLE IF YOU HAVE THE RIGHT POSITION OF DISTRICT OR BASE IN EVE" and taking away timers completely forces corps to recruit to expand, but the timer system should slightly stay. Say, give a district a couple hour opening anyone can hit at that moment rather then giving a day advanced warning. You are now free to bash me and call me a moron :3
Leadfoot10 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 1156	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:22:00 - [98] - Quote I would never do that...unless you do it first. That's not the way I roll. (I know, my troll-fu is weak. :) ) I'm in a bit of a rush now, but will comment in depth later on your idea. In the meantime, I thank you for taking the time to post it....Lead
AToS SaGa III Kameira Lodge Amarr Empire 121	Posted - 2014.06.20 18:24:00 - [99] - Quote Leadfoot10 wrote: I would never do that...unless you do it first. That's not the way I roll. (I know, my troll-fu is weak. :) ) I'm in a bit of a rush now, but will comment in depth later on your idea. In the meantime, I thank you for taking the time to post it....Lead Thank you for understanding trolling is just a part of what a person is, not the complete form. One day when Dust doesn't **** me off looking at the name I'll go back to how I was before Uprising, lol.


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