DUST Search - PC Passive ISK is Now Actually Dead

Hubert De LaBatte wrote:

But it's true, only new teams will have problems to take isk. All vets alliances have lot of money, districts and good players.

So they have big chances to win lot of fights. New comers have no isk, no skills and no experience. attacking with genolution packs cost 150 millions to take a district, only if you win all fights. And with 3 days for 3 fights, it's easy for defensors to call for an Eve support and to take their best players

So new corporation in PC will take at least 6 months to be competitive, if they train all days, if they farm isk to pay the clone packs for months to attack 1 or 2 times, and if they stay in the game after seeing all of this days after days.

And if they finally take a district, they are fresh meat for big vets corp.

The solution could be adapting clone pack price in regards of corp members skills and experience.

Nyain San or others want to launch clone pack? Bim 100 millions.

A new little corp try, ok 10 millions. They could train a lot without spending all isk, and without farming 1 month for 1 match.

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Kain Spero Goonfeet 3631	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:20:00 - [1] - Quote In case you missed it the Planetary Conquest changes are now live on the server: https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2214627#post2214627 Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2724	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:27:00 - [2] - Quote QQ Nyain San. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Long Evity 1676	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:34:00 - [3] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. Not really, with the ISK they have they can reasonably pay someone to just sell there clones off there districts before each re-up to continue getting the Passive. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
TechMechMeds Inner.Hell 3615	Posted - 2014.06.18 14:54:00 - [4] - Quote Indeed. I am actually going to login regularly now as the gameplay itself with the changes looks fun. Complex shield regs getting a buff really has made me happy. Thank you shayz. The struggle is real Confirmed by my toilet
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 755	Posted - 2014.06.18 15:37:00 - [5] - Quote Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2581	Posted - 2014.06.18 15:40:00 - [6] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc But we can still farm bush Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3631	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:11:00 - [7] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc But we can still farm bush It seems vehicles being removed from ambush is likely, so going to have trouble there as well. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Long Evity 1678	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:13:00 - [8] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc But we can still farm bush It seems vehicles being removed from ambush is likely, so going to have trouble there as well. There's Ambush OMS - they can just farm that. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3631	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:21:00 - [9] - Quote Ambush OMS and Regular separately selectable again? Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2582	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:32:00 - [10] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: Mr Machine Guns wrote: Soraya Xel wrote: QQ Nyain San. No more passive isk http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=umDr0mPuyQc But we can still farm bush It seems vehicles being removed from ambush is likely, so going to have trouble there as well. 90% of Nyain doesn't use vehicles you won't see complaints from us. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro

Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2727	Posted - 2014.06.18 16:46:00 - [11] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Ambush OMS and Regular separately selectable again? Nope. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 133	Posted - 2014.06.18 17:03:00 - [12] - Quote lol yes because these changes definitely effect Nyain the most. CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Roman837 Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 386	Posted - 2014.06.18 17:39:00 - [13] - Quote I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. Maple Syrup Drinking Canadian, EVE Characters Cesar Sousa, CEO of ERA
Long Evity 1680	Posted - 2014.06.18 17:46:00 - [14] - Quote Roman837 wrote: I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. Althought this is correct, there is also a flaw with this theory. If the top corps remove all the small ones - where will you feed? Unless, of course, the top corps are happy with just fighting each other all day again like... what's been going on for the past year. Guess we'll see where things land. I am not who you think I am, only but just a dream.
DJINN n Juice Go Flux Yourself. 133	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:07:00 - [15] - Quote Roman837 wrote: I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players. memories of STB roman? CEO of Go Flux Yourself. Official alt. of DJINN Rampage.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3631	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:12:00 - [16] - Quote Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2584	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:28:00 - [17] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. People who don't have districts will have to grind and even then why would you PC? For a good fight? Unless I missed something there is no point other than good fights. Not like I care either way though. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
emtbraincase Savage Bullet 180	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:31:00 - [18] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. You and your buddies already answered that with the first donut. They want isk, regardless of whether it ruins the game or not.......just like you and the rest of the DNS alliance did. What makes you think the rest of the people you fed on for months don't want to do the same thing (or continue doing what they did in DNS, just flopped what alliance they belong to).
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 8	Posted - 2014.06.18 18:40:00 - [19] - Quote But it's true, only new teams will have problems to take isk. All vets alliances have lot of money, districts and good players. So they have big chances to win lot of fights. New comers have no isk, no skills and no experience. attacking with genolution packs cost 150 millions to take a district, only if you win all fights. And with 3 days for 3 fights, it's easy for defensors to call for an Eve support and to take their best players So new corporation in PC will take at least 6 months to be competitive, if they train all days, if they farm isk to pay the clone packs for months to attack 1 or 2 times, and if they stay in the game after seeing all of this days after days. And if they finally take a district, they are fresh meat for big vets corp. The solution could be adapting clone pack price in regards of corp members skills and experience. Nyain San or others want to launch clone pack? Bim 100 millions. A new little corp try, ok 10 millions. They could train a lot without spending all isk, and without farming 1 month for 1 match.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3633	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:11:00 - [20] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: But it's true, only new teams will have problems to take isk. All vets alliances have lot of money, districts and good players. So they have big chances to win lot of fights. New comers have no isk, no skills and no experience. attacking with genolution packs cost 150 millions to take a district, only if you win all fights. And with 3 days for 3 fights, it's easy for defensors to call for an Eve support and to take their best players So new corporation in PC will take at least 6 months to be competitive, if they train all days, if they farm isk to pay the clone packs for months to attack 1 or 2 times, and if they stay in the game after seeing all of this days after days. And if they finally take a district, they are fresh meat for big vets corp. The solution could be adapting clone pack price in regards of corp members skills and experience. Nyain San or others want to launch clone pack? Bim 100 millions. A new little corp try, ok 10 millions. They could train a lot without spending all isk, and without farming 1 month for 1 match. Only problem is varying the price could be easily gamed by the use of alt corps. It all comes down to the core flaw of PC which is clones being used as your method of attack and ISK generation. The current changes actually allow you to recoup funds much more rapidly if you win your fights than the old setup. The more you fight the more ISK you can make. As an example there is about 7 billion ISK locked up in Nyain San's districts that are all set to the same timer and impossible to defend all at once. The only real barrier is the timer and people actually working together. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news

Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2584	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:11:00 - [21] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: But it's true, only new teams will have problems to take isk. All vets alliances have lot of money, districts and good players. So they have big chances to win lot of fights. New comers have no isk, no skills and no experience. attacking with genolution packs cost 150 millions to take a district, only if you win all fights. And with 3 days for 3 fights, it's easy for defensors to call for an Eve support and to take their best players So new corporation in PC will take at least 6 months to be competitive, if they train all days, if they farm isk to pay the clone packs for months to attack 1 or 2 times, and if they stay in the game after seeing all of this days after days. And if they finally take a district, they are fresh meat for big vets corp. The solution could be adapting clone pack price in regards of corp members skills and experience. Nyain San or others want to launch clone pack? Bim 100 millions. A new little corp try, ok 10 millions. They could train a lot without spending all isk, and without farming 1 month for 1 match. And even if you got a district you wouldn't make isk from it therefor if someone took the district from you you'd be back at grinding pubs for a clone pack. Sucks for new corps Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3633	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:15:00 - [22] - Quote Heimdallr69 wrote: And even if you got a district you wouldn't make isk from it therefor if someone took the district from you you'd be back at grinding pubs for a clone pack. Sucks for new corps Because the old system of breaking in with 120 clones at 36 mil a pop to then have to wait almost 2 weeks not fighting praying that you didn't get attacked so you could extract passive ISK to break even was infinitely better? Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Heimdallr69 Nyain San 2584	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:29:00 - [23] - Quote Kain Spero wrote: Heimdallr69 wrote: And even if you got a district you wouldn't make isk from it therefor if someone took the district from you you'd be back at grinding pubs for a clone pack. Sucks for new corps Because the old system of breaking in with 120 clones at 36 mil a pop to then have to wait almost 2 weeks not fighting praying that you didn't get attacked so you could extract passive ISK to break even was infinitely better? No but I'm asking what's the point now? Before you got isk now you get nothing. Removed inappropriate content - CCP Logibro
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 9	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:34:00 - [24] - Quote Ok, I think it's better in this point. The real problem is when corporations are too greedys. Now, it has no interest to have 70 districts. Every team with more than 10 could help little corporations to come in. Or maybe they could continue to stay in the same circle of 100 vets with their 200 districts. I don't know if it's the same to you, but lot of new players are coming. Days after days, we have more and more applications. Maybe people bored by Cod or bf or others. And they have the sensation of a control by the biggest vets corps. Possibility seems closed in planetary conquest, so they stay a couple of weeks and they go to other games. It is the responsability of all of us to stop disgusting all new comers, and principaly in PC.
Kain Spero Goonfeet 3633	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:41:00 - [25] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Ok, I think it's better in this point. The real problem is when corporations are too greedys. Now, it has no interest to have 70 districts. Every team with more than 10 could help little corporations to come in. Or maybe they could continue to stay in the same circle of 100 vets with their 200 districts. I don't know if it's the same to you, but lot of new players are coming. Days after days, we have more and more applications. Maybe people bored by Cod or bf or others. And they have the sensation of a control by the biggest vets corps. Possibility seems closed in planetary conquest, so they stay a couple of weeks and they go to other games. It is the responsability of all of us to stop disgusting all new comers, and principaly in PC. Oh, I agree it's actually in corp's like Nyain San's interest to give up a large chunk of their over 75 districts an allow other corporations in PC especially other Japanese and AU timezone corporations. Owner of Spero Escrow Services Follow @KainSpero for Dust and CPM news
Zatara Rought General Tso's Alliance 3420	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:42:00 - [26] - Quote Hubert De LaBatte wrote: Ok, I think it's better in this point. The real problem is when corporations are too greedys. Now, it has no interest to have 70 districts. Every team with more than 10 could help little corporations to come in. Or maybe they could continue to stay in the same circle of 100 vets with their 200 districts. I don't know if it's the same to you, but lot of new players are coming. Days after days, we have more and more applications. Maybe people bored by Cod or bf or others. And they have the sensation of a control by the biggest vets corps. Possibility seems closed in planetary conquest, so they stay a couple of weeks and they go to other games. It is the responsability of all of us to stop disgusting all new comers, and principaly in PC. This is -exactly- what we've been hoping to accomplish these last few weeks. and if you know anyone looking for have districts Nyain San -still- has districts they are willing to give away to corps with the fire and capacity to use them to fight. I humbly ask you support my candidacy for CPM1 CEO of FA Skype: Zatara.Rought
Mr Machine Guns Nyain San General Tso's Alliance 755	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:48:00 - [27] - Quote I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well
ReGnYuM Escrow Removal and Acquisition Dirt Nap Squad. 3073	Posted - 2014.06.18 19:56:00 - [28] - Quote Oh the hypocrisy is rich in this thread... The Pathway to Hell, is paved with good intentions Total Molden Heath Domination Imminent: 97.51% Complete
Soraya Xel Abandoned Privilege Top Men. 2728	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:00:00 - [29] - Quote Mr Machine Guns wrote: I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well Giving up districts is easy. Sell off all clones. Done. I'd like to be your CPM1 candidate
Hubert De LaBatte Prima Gallicus 11	Posted - 2014.06.18 20:01:00 - [30] - Quote And what about a topic to meet new PC comers. They present themselves with a full 16 and ask to be checked by experienced corp. We make an arrangement to pay the half of the clone pack and they attack one of us. just to know if they have the strengh to stay. If not, we show them how to progress, and they do another test lately. Obviously, someone will reply "what? you want to decide who comes in and which corp stays out?! etc..." But if we don't do that, after 2 days, new corporations are attacked by big alliances and they lose their district directly. Do you see on dust charts, last week it was 57 corporations in Molden. Now 46. So it's clear, the first target are the new comers.



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