+1 Rampage, keep feeding the forums your bs, makes it a little less dull around here.

All I'm saying we have the right to choose who we give our district too

I believe now might be an easier time for NS to give up some more district the only problem is that our two English directors haven't been on so it might take longer then people would like but i believe that it will get done i know Tiberius has already talked to brutal about OH for the Almur system as well

All I'm saying we have the right to choose who we give our district too

Althought this is correct, there is also a flaw with this theory.

If the top corps remove all the small ones - where will you feed?

Unless, of course, the top corps are happy with just fighting each other all day again like... what's been going on for the past year.

Guess we'll see where things land.

You play PC for team fights, for ISK, and for epeen waving. I'd love to see biomass go even higher, but the problem is that it also increases clone pack price as well.

QQ Nyain San.

I still think this passive isk change is a horrible idea. This WILL hurt smaller/newer corps. Dramatically. Before..they knew that if they fought somone and won..they could make SOME money back and be able to launch clones again to try to gain MORE land to fund their players. Now...they are targets. They are prey. Large corps with already stable teams and a wallet, will hit them to fund their players.

What was keeping corps out was that all the districts were owned by a few corporations, able to field their A-team whenever needed, exceedingly rich and motivated to keep others out. What has changed is the last part. You now have no incentive to keep others out or hold onto more than a few districts. The strong will still prey on the weak but the weak will still be able to find a place to play and to look for the even weaker.
What should happen is that the members of the larger corps will find that their is no advantage to being in a bigger corp if they don't get to participate, there will either be a lot more teams in one corp or the corps will fragment.

Dont worry they will find another way to compensate.



Yeah your concern for smaller corps is really genuine. Its not like you helped DNS smash many of them out of PC. Infact, I can recall in a thread a few weeks back, you said that you had a few billion stashed away as your "retirement nest egg".

Sounds to me like you and your corp were in fact one of the biggest benefactors of this free ISK subsidy. Now that the Obamacare is being turned off, suddenly its all about protecting smaller corps? Lets be honest, its about protecting you and your own interests.

Its alright to protect yourself and your own interests, but just be honest about it. Just say that not getting free ISK is going to strain your finances as you wont be able to pay your players on the level you were paying them before.




^ Finally someone with a vision that extends past their own nose. People had incentive to fight. Once. After that there was incentive to not fight and to do everything possible to maintain control of the district for ISK welfare checks. Even if thta meant making big alliance and shutting down the entire mode so people could passively collect.

Now the people who want fights will find them. The ones looking for a welfare check though, are out of luck.




If people are looking for someone to blame, why not point the finger at the people who grabbed a bunch of districts, put things on unreasonable timers, and then used that passive ISK to run Ion Cannon Madrugars in pubs 24/7. Which lead to enough outrage from pub players that CCP had its hand forced into terminating passive ISK. Why not blame those who made it into a problem that needed fixing?

Dont worry they will find another way to compensate.



Yeah your concern for smaller corps is really genuine. Its not like you helped DNS smash many of them out of PC. Infact, I can recall in a thread a few weeks back, you said that you had a few billion stashed away as your "retirement nest egg".

Sounds to me like you and your corp were in fact one of the biggest benefactors of this free ISK subsidy. Now that the Obamacare is being turned off, suddenly its all about protecting smaller corps? Lets be honest, its about protecting you and your own interests.

Its alright to protect yourself and your own interests, but just be honest about it. Just say that not getting free ISK is going to strain your finances as you wont be able to pay your players on the level you were paying them before.




^ Finally someone with a vision that extends past their own nose. People had incentive to fight. Once. After that there was incentive to not fight and to do everything possible to maintain control of the district for ISK welfare checks. Even if thta meant making big alliance and shutting down the entire mode so people could passively collect.

Now the people who want fights will find them. The ones looking for a welfare check though, are out of luck.




If people are looking for someone to blame, why not point the finger at the people who grabbed a bunch of districts, put things on unreasonable timers, and then used that passive ISK to run Ion Cannon Madrugars in pubs 24/7. Which lead to enough outrage from pub players that CCP had its hand forced into terminating passive ISK. Why not blame those who made it into a problem that needed fixing?

The timer is set to where we live not where you live.. Get over it. I've got over 1b isk from using BPO's, you know nothing about us. If I want to use something that costs 600k I have every right to. Though I run proto galente and caldari assault.

The majority of the district NS took were timers that were unfair to them but you never heard our Japanese players complain about it

I know nothing about you? I didn't even mention NS in my post. I merely pointed out that some people created a problem that spilled over into the generally community and forced CCPs hand into making changes. Its not my fault you saw yourselves in my description of the problem. You can justify whatever you did all you want and discuss your "rights" as much as you like. Wont change whats already happened.

What i was stating was not opinion it was just fact. If things hadn't of gone down the way they did CCP wouldn't have to fix a created problem. Im just saying dont blame CCP for trying to clean up a mess. Blame the folks who made a mess in the first place.

But if it makes you feel better, im sure NS are not exclusively to blame.

Wait, wait, wait... Don't blame CCP for having abusable mechanics?

I smell a fanboy.

Its very simple. There was a freedom, people used it in a way that was detrimental to the community at large, so that freedom was removed. Maybe next time cherish the freedom instead of exploiting it and you wont lose it.

Its not about being a CCP fanboy. Its just the way life works.

Its very simple. There was a freedom, people used it in a way that was detrimental to the community at large, so that freedom was removed. Maybe next time cherish the freedom instead of exploiting it and you wont lose it.

Its not about being a CCP fanboy. Its just the way life works.

If I've learned anything playing this game it's this....

If Kane Spero supports it then it's bad news.

I supported it too, and still do despite Kane's support . The only thing I would do differently is still pay out the losers some reduced multiple of what the winning team gets to partially compensate for their equipment loss while ratcheting back even further the "default destruction" payout. CCP took it to default 100 clones killed. Even with that default, there's still a pretty good "window" of ISK between the clone pack cost and the battle payout. 30m to be precise. Doling out a bit of that to the losing team could soften the huge ISK-based risk from playing a battle even if you paid nothing for the clones.


The key to PC's success now lies with whether the current landowners have the balls and the drive to correctly assess the situation and move accordingly. The only way that PC can remain a fun game mode and at the very least maintain its player base, if not grow it, is for current landowners to:

• Restrict the number of districts they own to a realistic maximum
• Be willing to give away excess districts to practically any team willing to take them
• Provide ubiquitous training to those up-and-coming teams who want to enter PC with no conditions attached

Without this level of restraint and dedication, the same downward trajectory in PC playing population is set in stone.

In the past there was a lingering incentive to shut out new corporations and control as many districts as humanly possible because of ISK generation. Additionally mid-range corps were given a rather sad incentive to push out newer corps since they were always on the chopping block for getting cut from PC by high win ratio corps. If those same high win ratio corps have even a small amount of insight, they should now be acutely aware that taking any corp out of PC is just shooting themselves in the foot.

Long story short- everyone who likes PC and wants it to continue being at all active now has a good reason to get new players into the game and get them up to speed. Even if they become your competition tomorrow, better some competition than none.

one problem with the idea of them shooting themselves in the foot...

They could just fight each other and not let anyone else in. Vet groups do not have to share the playground with this system to farm it for all its worth.

That's actually a lot more stressful and a lot less profitable than the alternative. The higher you push your win ratio with these new mechanics, the higher your profits. The exchange is that burning all participants out of the game is going to remove your ability to participate at all.

Wait, wait, wait... Don't blame CCP for having abusable mechanics?

I smell a fanboy.

So instead of farming land we will now farm people...

#GameChanger

#Not

Well farming scrub players is still better then just sitting there and get ISK for doing nothing.

The problem with PC has nothing to do with any donut or passive isk or the clone pack price.

The problem with PC has to do with ringers.

Only allow corp members to participate, limit corp hopping, and make more highly variable the production of clones.

Viola, PC problems are solved.

But what do I know?

Wat part of DUST514 IS A MERCENARY GAME DON'T YOU PEOPLE GET???????

Trying to play soldier is probably closer to the problem then people playing a game that tells them they're supposed to be mercs.