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Kain Spero
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Posted - 2014.06.18 14:20:00 -
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In case you missed it the Planetary Conquest changes are now live on the server:
https://forums.dust514.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=2214627#post2214627
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:11:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote:But we can still farm bush 
It seems vehicles being removed from ambush is likely, so going to have trouble there as well.
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Kain Spero
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Posted - 2014.06.18 16:21:00 -
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Ambush OMS and Regular separately selectable again?
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Kain Spero
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Posted - 2014.06.18 18:12:00 -
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Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 19:11:00 -
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Hubert De LaBatte wrote:But it's true, only new teams will have problems to take isk. All vets alliances have lot of money, districts and good players.
So they have big chances to win lot of fights. New comers have no isk, no skills and no experience. attacking with genolution packs cost 150 millions to take a district, only if you win all fights. And with 3 days for 3 fights, it's easy for defensors to call for an Eve support and to take their best players
So new corporation in PC will take at least 6 months to be competitive, if they train all days, if they farm isk to pay the clone packs for months to attack 1 or 2 times, and if they stay in the game after seeing all of this days after days.
And if they finally take a district, they are fresh meat for big vets corp.
The solution could be adapting clone pack price in regards of corp members skills and experience.
Nyain San or others want to launch clone pack? Bim 100 millions.
A new little corp try, ok 10 millions. They could train a lot without spending all isk, and without farming 1 month for 1 match.
Only problem is varying the price could be easily gamed by the use of alt corps. It all comes down to the core flaw of PC which is clones being used as your method of attack and ISK generation.
The current changes actually allow you to recoup funds much more rapidly if you win your fights than the old setup. The more you fight the more ISK you can make. As an example there is about 7 billion ISK locked up in Nyain San's districts that are all set to the same timer and impossible to defend all at once. The only real barrier is the timer and people actually working together.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 19:15:00 -
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Heimdallr69 wrote: And even if you got a district you wouldn't make isk from it therefor if someone took the district from you you'd be back at grinding pubs for a clone pack. Sucks for new corps
Because the old system of breaking in with 120 clones at 36 mil a pop to then have to wait almost 2 weeks not fighting praying that you didn't get attacked so you could extract passive ISK to break even was infinitely better? 
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Posted - 2014.06.18 19:41:00 -
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Hubert De LaBatte wrote:Ok, I think it's better in this point.
The real problem is when corporations are too greedys. Now, it has no interest to have 70 districts. Every team with more than 10 could help little corporations to come in. Or maybe they could continue to stay in the same circle of 100 vets with their 200 districts.
I don't know if it's the same to you, but lot of new players are coming. Days after days, we have more and more applications. Maybe people bored by Cod or bf or others. And they have the sensation of a control by the biggest vets corps. Possibility seems closed in planetary conquest, so they stay a couple of weeks and they go to other games.
It is the responsability of all of us to stop disgusting all new comers, and principaly in PC.
Oh, I agree it's actually in corp's like Nyain San's interest to give up a large chunk of their over 75 districts an allow other corporations in PC especially other Japanese and AU timezone corporations.
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Posted - 2014.06.18 22:04:00 -
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Espeon Bons wrote:Kain Spero wrote:Well, it's going to boil down to whether or not the community is looking for good fights or looking to just farm ISK. We'll see which corps end up where. What's the point of fighting now Kane? Corp battles had incentives. Now all youre gnna have is blue corps milking the clones that tshould be passive ISK. Simply ********. Lets make more players quit.
You play PC for team fights, for ISK, and for epeen waving. I'd love to see biomass go even higher, but the problem is that it also increases clone pack price as well.
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