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castba
Amarr Templars Amarr Empire
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Posted - 2014.06.14 15:27:00 -
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Good odds with a scout behind you? Troll post confirmed. |
End Is Here
Onikanabo Brigade Caldari State
45
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Posted - 2014.06.14 15:37:00 -
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STOP NERFING and start BUFFING!
I am SO SICK of all you cry babies. Keep getting the game fked up. No wonder nobody wants to play. Im an 1800 hp heavy and I die LOTS. I have been two shotted by snipers, 1 shotted by re's, run over, smooshed, stuck on a ledge untill stoned to death by angry mob. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The ONLY problem with the game is logis reaping heavies and head shots. A heavy without a logi is good as dead! If you want to kill the heavy, kill the medic FIRST! G.G.S!
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
1810
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Posted - 2014.06.14 15:40:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote: So if you don't know anything, how about not offering solutions?
That's not how the process works, good sir.
Scouts were over-performing; when it came time to fix them: * Scouts acknowledged that they were OP and many offered solutions. * Non-Scouts and Anti-Scouts offered their own solutions. * Rattati / Logibro weighed feedback and delivered an arguably even-handed fix. * Had Scouts been nerfed to uselessness, Scouts would not have been to blame.
Anti-Infantry Vehicles were over-performing; when it came time to fix them: * Most Pilots insisted that everything was fine and refused to participate. * Non-Pilots and Anti-Pilots offered solutions to the very real problem. * Rattati / Logibro now have to "guess" at a fix due to lack of consensus. * If Tanks and Birds are nerfed to useless, Pilots themselves are to blame.
So which path will Heavies choose?
I'm willing to bet you'll dig your heels and follow the Pilot's precedent. I'm very much looking forward to offering my very best input to Rattati when the time comes to address your overperformance. Should you turn a blind eye to the problem and your gear gets nerfed to useless, who will be to blame?
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Defy Gravity
427
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Posted - 2014.06.14 15:49:00 -
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No.
If I kill you in game, look for a confirmation that says "I Just Killed You"
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Atiim
NoGameNoLife
9438
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Posted - 2014.06.14 15:54:00 -
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End Is Here wrote:STOP NERFING and start BUFFING!
I am SO SICK of all you cry babies. Keep getting the game fked up. No wonder nobody wants to play. Im an 1800 hp heavy and I die LOTS. I have been two shotted by snipers.
Coming from a Proficency V Sniper with a Caldari Commando, you're an absolute scrub. Anything you have to say on this matter now holds little to no credibility due to how great a scrub you are.
I hope you enjoy shaming your playerbase subset by contributing to the stereotype that most heavies are bad players. Please Get Good Scrub.
Amarrians would prefer you be faithful... I'd rather you be logical.
Proud defender of Ishukone Corporation.
-HAMD
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Arcturis Vanguard
Red Star. EoN.
128
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Posted - 2014.06.14 15:56:00 -
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Himiko Kuronaga wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:You guys gonna step up and ask for a nerf or do we have to?
Suggestions 1A) Nerf HP 1B) Why so medium suits can out tank us again?[/i] 2A) Nerf HMG Range 2B) Only the SG, NK, and ion pistol have less range then the HMG[/i] 3A) Reduce Explosive Resistance 3B) Guess you wanna go back to nading the slow *ss heavies again...[/i] 4A) Reduce Movement Speed 4B) Most suits walk faster then I sprint...[/i] 5A) Reduce Rotation Speed 5B) Plates reduce turn speed you know.[/i]
^ Two of the these are probably needed, but if you guys can come to consensus on one I won't complain. since you obviously dont get it lemme repeat myself Its not my job to fix your broken gear. Yet. But I'll play ball ... 1. Your source? Early Uprising Logi? Didn't they get nerfed? 2. Your point? I've never killed anyone at 30m with Nova Knives or a Shotgun. Much less 50m. 3. Correct. I take issue with your surviving both of my Prototype grenades. 4. You have 3x - 4x the HP of most suits. Do most suits sprint 3x - 4x faster than you? 5. In Chrome, a Scout behind you meant poor odds of survival. How would you rate current odds?
Since you've asked for my help, here's how I'd fix HMG Heavies: * Restore Chrome Rotation Speed. * Restrict primary weapon slot to Heavy Weaponry. * Reduce Absolute Range of HMG to 40m; reduce Effective Range accordingly. Now before you guys get all worked up, keep in mind that this is my solution. I never claimed it was optimal or fair or appropriate; I wouldn't know. I'm not a Heavy. Do you see how it makes more sense for you to decide how to balance your broken gear? So if you don't know anything, how about not offering solutions? We're not going to offer one because we don't see a problem. We understand our own weaknesses well enough to understand that the rest of the playerbase is asking for something that is entirely unreasonable. Here's a crazy idea guys, let the meta play out and stop crying. This community is probably the worst competitive community I've ever seen. It doesn't even try to come up with ways to beat stuff. It just cries and cries and cries until CCP puts a bandaid on their lack of skill. If anything needs to be changed, it's this horrendous community. Luckily it seems that particular feature is coming a lot faster than some others.
I am in an agreement with himiko's statement.
As a dedicated heavy since the launch of chromosome I have seen the suit actually be overpowered and borderline completely useless. I have used the hmg when it had ridiculous range with the sharpshooter skill, to the beginning of uprising when it was hitting like nerf balls to when the core skill reduced heat build up to now when you can overheat with continuous spray.
The suit AND the hmg have their strengths and weaknesses. A highly experienced and also an intelligent player will limit putting their suit into a position to have their weakness exposed as much as possible. This goes with all suits not just the heavy class.
I do not feel that the suit or bonuses need to be looked at for the time being while the assault class is lacking in effectiveness with what the class is suppose to achieve.
Because of the above sentence, I will also say the hmg should not be touched until assault is tweaked and new data is collected. I could, in the future, possible agree with a slight increase to heat build up to test the waters if the hmg is significantly out performing.
Though with my experience, range is king with dealing with a heavy. Also a high rof is also needed to bring a heavies ehp down quickly. I recommend that individuals need to "pull their heads out their ass" and start thinking outside the box and use tools available to engage an opponent. I also recommend actually playing each and every class to know it's weakness.
Amarr Heavy_
Amarr Assault_
Caldari Scout
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
1373
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Posted - 2014.06.14 16:01:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: So if you don't know anything, how about not offering solutions?
That's not how the process works, good sir. Scouts were over-performing; when it came time to fix them: * Scouts acknowledged that they were OP and many offered solutions. * Non-Scouts and Anti-Scouts offered their own solutions. * Rattati / Logibro weighed feedback and delivered an arguably even-handed fix. * Had Scouts been nerfed to uselessness, Scouts would not have been to blame. Anti-Infantry Vehicles were over-performing; when it came time to fix them: * Most Pilots insisted that everything was fine and refused to participate. * Non-Pilots and Anti-Pilots offered solutions to the very real problem. * Rattati / Logibro now have to "guess" at a fix due to lack of consensus. * If Tanks and Birds are nerfed to useless, Pilots themselves are to blame. So which path will Heavies choose? I'm willing to bet you'll dig your heels and follow the Pilot's precedent. I'm very much looking forward to offering my very best input to Rattati when the time comes to address your overperformance. Should you turn a blind eye to the problem and your gear gets nerfed to useless, who will be to blame? Look I understand if you are new to the game and need help so I will give you the secret to killing a HMG heavy.
Don't put yourself on the scary side of the gun. It will kill you
If you are on the scary side stay at least 30m away at that range the bullet dispersion is crap unless the heavy is crouching, which then allows for free headshots.
If you are a CQC scout get within 5m of the heavy... at that range the heavy lacks the ability to track you as well as it needs to to get full bullet contact
If you see a suit with yellow on it thats what we call a logistics suit it heals the heavy and supplies the heavy with ammo killing the logi will make killing the heavy loads easier.
If you find your self in a 1v1 with a heavy strafe strafe strafe with the slow down effect gone you can now use your superior movement to reduce the amount of bullets you take while the heavy cannot.
Hopefully this helps you to overcome the blueberry status you are currently stuck in and good luck on the battlefield
Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV
I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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Himiko Kuronaga
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
4431
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:14:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Himiko Kuronaga wrote: So if you don't know anything, how about not offering solutions?
That's not how the process works, good sir. Scouts were over-performing; when it came time to fix them: * Scouts acknowledged that they were OP and offered solutions. * Non-Scouts and Anti-Scouts offered their own solutions. * Rattati / Logibro weighed feedback and delivered an arguably even-handed fix. * Had Scouts been nerfed to uselessness, Scouts themselves wouldn't have been to blame.Anti-Infantry Vehicles were over-performing; when it came time to fix them: * Most Pilots insisted that everything was fine and refused to participate. * Non-Pilots and Anti-Pilots offered solutions to the very real problem. * Rattati / Logibro now have to "guess" at a fix due to lack of consensus. * If Tanks and Birds are nerfed to useless, Pilots themselves are to blame.So which path will Heavies choose? I'm willing to bet you'll dig your heels and follow the Pilot's herpa-derp precedent. This isn't a troll post or a flame post. I'm simply sharing with you the input I'll be offering to Rattati when the time comes to address your over-performance. You have every opportunity to do the same. In the end, if your gear gets nerfed to useless, who will be to blame?
Scouts were OP. They could perform damn near any role in the game better than just about any suit. So much to the point that even scouts had to admit it. Even if they got hit with the hardest nerfbat possible scouts would always have enough utility and intel gathering ability to be incredibly good.
Heavies are not OP. They have one role only and if they cannot perform it exemplary they are worthless. Your rabble rousing nonsense is asking for that one, singular role to be dismantled. You want heavies to be worthless.
What you are seeing now are not the complaints of individuals suffering under the tyrannical reign of the heavy. What you are seeing are individuals who have chosen a certain path in the game and are unsatisfied that they lose when they put themselves in a situation unfavorable to their suit. They, in turn, wish to become infallible without haven't to admit it, therefore they request nerfs to other suits. |
Appia Vibbia
Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance
2913
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:15:00 -
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1) Shotty, if you haven't played the suit remember how many people that never played as a Scout took the onus on themselves to 'fix' the problem with them. Run a Minmatar Scout lately? Probably not because of how terrible the Alpha nerfs made it... again.
2) Eruditus 920 and Vitharr Foebane need to learn how to forum. Seriously you can't figure out how to quote each other.
That out of the way. Sentinels with Light Weapons are seriously annoying and the only HMG that ever overheats is the Burst variant. But right now I don't think the focus should be on those issues.
Personally I'd like to see the EQ bonuses on Logistics normalized and a reason to run Assault over Slayer-Logi before I see any changes to the the Sentinel/HMG
Appia Vibbia for CPM1
AppiaVibbia(at)gmail(dot)com
AKA Nappia, AKA Mathppia
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Michael Arck
4689
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:29:00 -
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Nerf the heavies? Jesus christ, the heavies just got back to a better position! Were you here for 1.7 and back days? You could laugh at a heavy who was running in your direction, fix some coffee, and still have ample time plus damage to kill him.
And now you want to nerf heavies?
You know, I love this game but the community sends me for a loop. The same damn formula that has been happening since this game has been created is just getting downright annoying. Buff this and then its nerf that.
The heavies should be left alone. I deal with all roles and I'm glad heavies are back to being a threat. Here you come wanting to change that because you feel that you should be able to kill heavy without consistently dying to it.
Why don't you change your approach and stop hacking this damn game into puddy? I'm hoping **** like this lessens when Legion gets to PC. Somebody is always whining about something round here. One of the reasons this game lost its way. Because of people like you who can't settle with it for what it is and let the ideas manifest.
Pub matches suck. PC is only where the competition is. And people want to nerf things according to the dumb and dumber participants of public matches. I can't even make this crap up.
Archistrategos
Where the fear has gone there will be nothing....only I will remain
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The Fogwoggler
Namtar Elite Gallente Federation
6
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Posted - 2014.06.14 17:32:00 -
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The struggle is usually real, but here it isn't. |
XxGhazbaranxX
Eternal Beings Proficiency V.
1473
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Posted - 2014.06.14 18:55:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:You guys gonna step up and ask for a nerf or do we have to?
Suggestions * Nerf HP Why so medium suits can out tank us again? * Nerf HMG Range Only the SG, NK, and ion pistol have less range then the HMG * Reduce Explosive Resistance Guess you wanna go back to nading the slow *ss heavies again... * Reduce Movement Speed Most suits walk faster then I sprint... * Reduce Rotation Speed Plates reduce turn speed you know.
^ Two of the these are probably needed, but if you guys can come to consensus on one I won't complain.
How are people still asking for heavy nerf when it's all summed up here... I seriously don't get how people can even come to the forums and ask for nerfs witha straight face. The heavy has suffered the most because people want to engage it at it's optimal.
If you have a 60 meter weapon why the hell do you have to get 20 meters close to the heavy so he can hose you down?
Plasma Cannon Advocate
Dust 514 Survivor
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
1821
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:02:00 -
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Appia Vibbia wrote:1) Shotty, if you haven't played the suit remember how many people that never played as a Scout took the onus on themselves to 'fix' the problem with them. Run a Minmatar Scout lately? Probably not because of how terrible the Alpha nerfs made it... again.
2) Eruditus 920 and Vitharr Foebane need to learn how to forum. Seriously you can't figure out how to quote each other.
That out of the way. Sentinels with Light Weapons are seriously annoying and the only HMG that ever overheats is the Burst variant. But right now I don't think the focus should be on those issues.
Personally I'd like to see the EQ bonuses on Logistics normalized and a reason to run Assault over Slayer-Logi before I see any changes to the the Sentinel/HMG
I didn't claim that Hotfix Alpha was perfect; I said it was arguably even-handed.
Yes, Minmatar Scouts are in a bad a place. My point is we Scouts aren't to blame for it. We told Rattati upfront exactly what would happen to the Minmatar Scout; he weighed our input and opted to side with the non-Scouts. I'm not saying Rattati was wrong; he had to do something to address Scout problems. I'm saying our active acknowledgement of the problems and participation in the process (1) clears us of culpability in breaking the Minja and (2) dulled what could've been a devastating, class-wide blow.
That's the point I'm trying to drive home here. Heavies have problems. Fine Rifle Heavies are a problem. Pirouetting Heavies are a problem. The HMG has problems. Heavies themselves can either step up and own these problems or they can pretend that everything is fine.
Rattati's a problem solver, and he will eventually get to these problems. When that time comes, Heavies will have opportunity to either participate in the process or play the pilot card, dragging their heels crying foul. It looks to me like they'll be playing the pilot card; if the RE threads are any indication, it should be good fun to watch.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Patrick57
Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance
7694
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:03:00 -
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I play as a Heavy a lot, and I would be fine with both an HMG damage nerf (a small one, it should not be able to be out-DPS'ed by a light weapon in its optimal range) and decreased turn speed. As a Heavy, if I let a shotgun scout get behind me, they deserve to kill me. I should not be able to turn around and strafe backwards to avoid their shots. |
Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3891
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:08:00 -
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End Is Here wrote:STOP NERFING and start BUFFING!
I am SO SICK of all you cry babies. Keep getting the game fked up. No wonder nobody wants to play. Im an 1800 hp heavy and I die LOTS. I have been two shotted by snipers, 1 shotted by re's, run over, smooshed, stuck on a ledge untill stoned to death by angry mob. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The ONLY problem with the game is logis reaping heavies and head shots. A heavy without a logi is good as dead! If you want to kill the heavy, kill the medic FIRST! G.G.S!
Abso-*******-lutely.
PSN: The_Rynoceros
Destiny beta SoonGäó
Console Master Race
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
1821
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:11:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:End Is Here wrote:STOP NERFING and start BUFFING!
I am SO SICK of all you cry babies. Keep getting the game fked up. No wonder nobody wants to play. Im an 1800 hp heavy and I die LOTS. I have been two shotted by snipers, 1 shotted by re's, run over, smooshed, stuck on a ledge untill stoned to death by angry mob. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The ONLY problem with the game is logis reaping heavies and head shots. A heavy without a logi is good as dead! If you want to kill the heavy, kill the medic FIRST! G.G.S!
Abso-*******-lutely. Did you even read what you've agreed with?
Patrick57 wrote:I play as a Heavy a lot, and I would be fine with both an HMG damage nerf (a small one, it should not be able to be out-DPS'ed by a light weapon in its optimal range) and decreased turn speed. As a Heavy, if I let a shotgun scout get behind me, they deserve to kill me. I should not be able to turn around and strafe backwards to avoid their shots. Here is a Heavy who knows his counter. Good for you, Patrick. And good luck with your peers. o7
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
1377
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:22:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Rynoceros wrote:End Is Here wrote:STOP NERFING and start BUFFING!
I am SO SICK of all you cry babies. Keep getting the game fked up. No wonder nobody wants to play. Im an 1800 hp heavy and I die LOTS. I have been two shotted by snipers, 1 shotted by re's, run over, smooshed, stuck on a ledge untill stoned to death by angry mob. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The ONLY problem with the game is logis reaping heavies and head shots. A heavy without a logi is good as dead! If you want to kill the heavy, kill the medic FIRST! G.G.S!
Abso-*******-lutely. Did you even read what you've agreed with? Patrick57 wrote:I play as a Heavy a lot, and I would be fine with both an HMG damage nerf (a small one, it should not be able to be out-DPS'ed by a light weapon in its optimal range) and decreased turn speed. As a Heavy, if I let a shotgun scout get behind me, they deserve to kill me. I should not be able to turn around and strafe backwards to avoid their shots. Here is a Heavy who knows his counter. Good for you, Patrick. And good luck with your peers. o7 Have you F*CKING EVER RUN A D*MN HEAVY??! It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person... do me a favor and get into a militia Amarr heavy put complex plates on it and give it two sets of nova knives that's what you want a heavy to be right? A big fat F*CKING JOKE AGAIN! Your right though, CCP Rattatai IS a problem solver too bad for you there is no problem to be solved.
Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV
I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
1823
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:26:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote: Have you F*CKING EVER RUN A D*MN HEAVY??! It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person... do me a favor and get into a militia Amarr heavy put complex plates on it and give it two sets of nova knives that's what you want a heavy to be right? A big fat F*CKING JOKE AGAIN! Your right though, CCP Rattatai IS a problem solver too bad for you there is no problem to be solved.
I've told you guys numerous times now that I've never once worn a Heavy Suit. 46m SP and I've never touch it.
Even so, I'd very much like to participate in balance discussions on the topic of your gear.
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
1379
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:30:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote: Have you F*CKING EVER RUN A D*MN HEAVY??! It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person... do me a favor and get into a militia Amarr heavy put complex plates on it and give it two sets of nova knives that's what you want a heavy to be right? A big fat F*CKING JOKE AGAIN! Your right though, CCP Rattatai IS a problem solver too bad for you there is no problem to be solved.
I've told you guys numerous times now that I've never once worn a Heavy Suit. 46m SP and I've never touch it. Even so, I'd very much like to participate in balance discussions on the topic of your gear. Dont need skills to get into a militia suit. Don't judge a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes. Get into an Amarr heavy and use NK and MILITIA SMG and complex plates and see what you are asking for...
Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV
I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
1827
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:32:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote: Have you F*CKING EVER RUN A D*MN HEAVY??! It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person... do me a favor and get into a militia Amarr heavy put complex plates on it and give it two sets of nova knives that's what you want a heavy to be right? A big fat F*CKING JOKE AGAIN! Your right though, CCP Rattatai IS a problem solver too bad for you there is no problem to be solved.
I've told you guys numerous times now that I've never once worn a Heavy Suit. 46m SP and I've never touch it. Even so, I'd very much like to participate in balance discussions on the topic of your gear. Dont need skills to get into a militia suit. Don't judge a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes. Get into an Amarr heavy and use NK and MILITIA SMG and complex plates and see what you are asking for... Are you seriously asking me to run Nova Knifes on a Heavy Frame!? If I'm going to run a Militia Heavy, why not run a Combat or Rail Rifle?
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
1379
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:34:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote: Have you F*CKING EVER RUN A D*MN HEAVY??! It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person... do me a favor and get into a militia Amarr heavy put complex plates on it and give it two sets of nova knives that's what you want a heavy to be right? A big fat F*CKING JOKE AGAIN! Your right though, CCP Rattatai IS a problem solver too bad for you there is no problem to be solved.
I've told you guys numerous times now that I've never once worn a Heavy Suit. 46m SP and I've never touch it. Even so, I'd very much like to participate in balance discussions on the topic of your gear. Dont need skills to get into a militia suit. Don't judge a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes. Get into an Amarr heavy and use NK and MILITIA SMG and complex plates and see what you are asking for... Are you seriously asking me to run Nova Knifes on a Heavy Frame!? If I'm going to run a Militia Heavy, why not run a Combat or Rail Rifle? those are too powerful from 1.0 to 1.7 the f*cking BOUNDLESS HMG was out dpsed by the militia smg i'm doing you a favor and yes i'm asking you to run a nova knife i want to emulate the heavy you are asking for
Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV
I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
1828
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:38:00 -
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Vitharr Foebane wrote: those are too powerful from 1.0 to 1.7 the f*cking BOUNDLESS HMG was out dpsed by the militia smg i'm doing you a favor
Nova Knives too powerful? Militia SMG > Proto HMG?
I do you hope you'll be participating in the balance discussions with Rattati. Do you have many Heavy friends who share your opinions?
You and I and all your friends are going to get along quite well, Indeed XD.
Pray tell, what are your thoughts on Remote Explosives? For you, my new friend, a gift from an old friend. XD
Shoot scout with yes...
- Ripley Riley
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
1379
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:42:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Vitharr Foebane wrote: those are too powerful from 1.0 to 1.7 the f*cking BOUNDLESS HMG was out dpsed by the militia smg i'm doing you a favor
Nova Knives too powerful? Militia SMG > Proto HMG?I do you hope you'll be participating in the balance discussions with Rattati. You and I are going to get along quite nicely. We should squad up sometime. you seem to have artfully misquoted me the rail and the combat rifle are too powerful to be used on your proposed heavy the NK are just there to rub the salt in the wound as most suits walk faster then the amarr heavy sprints
Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV
I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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Vitharr Foebane
Terminal Courtesy
1379
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:44:00 -
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Remotes are balanced if i let a scout get that close im usually dead anyway
Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV
I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3894
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Posted - 2014.06.14 19:58:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Rynoceros wrote:End Is Here wrote:STOP NERFING and start BUFFING! I am SO SICK of all you cry babies. Keep getting the game fked up. No wonder nobody wants to play. Im an 1800 hp heavy and I die LOTS. I have been two shotted by snipers, 1 shotted by re's, run over, smooshed, stuck on a ledge untill stoned to death by angry mob. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The ONLY problem with the game is logis reaping heavies and head shots. A heavy without a logi is good as dead! If you want to kill the heavy, kill the medic FIRST! G.G.S!
Abso-*******-lutely. Did you even read what you've agreed with? Yes. Did you? Logis Repping 2 Sentinels is a problem. 2 dozen Headshot Bonuses firing off just because I put my HMG near his dome is ridiculous.
Not turn speed or movement. Every suit has ~100% more of both. Turn slower than a manned Turret Installation just to be a waddling target for everybody else, NO.
You're only looking at marginal numbers, there are other factors playing host to your complaints.
QUIT ASKING TO NERF EVERYTHING AND ASK FOR **** MECHANICS TO BE FIXED.
If you fail to understand this, it's your issue.
PSN: The_Rynoceros
Destiny beta SoonGäó
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3894
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Posted - 2014.06.14 20:16:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:I wouldn't know. I'm not a Heavy. [/thread]
PSN: The_Rynoceros
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Xocoyol Zaraoul
Superior Genetics
1973
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Posted - 2014.06.14 20:23:00 -
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I'm thinking OP was shot to crap by some third party CR/SR/RR and the HMG finished him off at the same time, thus showing him the HMG on the killfeed and feedback kill card.
I wasted a stupid amount of time replicating his crap at 60 meters with a friend, both with a Boundless HMG as well as an Assault Proto HMG...
I was using a Complex D-Mod and I have maxed prof skills in HMG...
Still can't kill an immobile target that fast, much less a mobile one.
"You see those red dots over there?
Go and shoot them until you see a +50 on the screen" - Arkena Wyrnspire
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Adipem Nothi
Nos Nothi
1830
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Posted - 2014.06.14 20:28:00 -
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Rynoceros wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:I wouldn't know. I'm not a Heavy. [/thread] That is precisely the point, good sir.
I am not a Heavy, and I'm in no position to advise Rattati on "the best way" to fix your broken gear. Then again, I'm more than willing to pitch in and help if you guys are unwilling or unable. In fact, I'm eager to help. Again, here are the problems as I see them:
* Fine Rifle Heavies * Pirouetting Heavies * The HMG
Also, your suggestion to "fix **** mechanics" is off the table. Aside from values in a database, nothing is going to change. Mechanics are what they are.
Shoot scout with yes...
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Rynoceros
Rise Of Old Dudes
3898
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Posted - 2014.06.14 20:40:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:I wouldn't know. I'm not a Heavy. [/thread] That is precisely the point, good sir. I am not a Heavy, and I'm in no position to advise Rattati on "the best way" to fix your broken gear. Then again, I'm more than willing to pitch in and help if you guys are unwilling or unable. In fact, I'm eager to help :-) Also, your suggestion to "fix **** mechanics" is off the table. Aside from values in a database, nothing is going to change. Mechanics are what they are and are what they'll be. Well, those values are not the problem so fixing them would only result in breaking something.
When I have an issue with somebody's playstyle that I haven't skilled myself, then i make suggestions as to what should fixed on my end. Example: Pythons with Missles. I don't use them and I don't call for them to be nerfed because they have a habit of trolling my already slow enough ass. I called for a buff to Swarm Launcher projectile speeds and a Forge Gun with less DPS and less charge time. I didn't make a thread suggesting to nerf everything they do. I didn't ask to nerf Missles or their splash, I didn't ask to nerf their speed or flight ceiling. I wanted my **** fixed, not my opposition dumbed down to accomodate my situation.
PSN: The_Rynoceros
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Argetlam Thorson
Capital Acquisitions LLC General Tso's Alliance
60
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Posted - 2014.06.14 21:21:00 -
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Adipem Nothi wrote:Rynoceros wrote:Adipem Nothi wrote:I wouldn't know. I'm not a Heavy. [/thread] That is precisely the point, good sir. I am not a Heavy. Get a MLT heavy suit and a basic HMG and run with that for a couple of days. That should be enough to teach you how to take one down. Range that turtle. Use RE's. Use NK charge shot followed up by a few rounds of CR. Use a couple of friends. These are all tools that will allow you to put my fat suit facedown in the dirt. I'm serious though. Run the suit. It will be educational.
Also, as for Min Scouts, all they need is a bigger hack speed bonus and they'll be awesome....maybe better passives, but I don't want to be greedy. |
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