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Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1342	Posted - 2014.06.14 01:20:00 - [1] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: You guys gonna step up and ask for a nerf or do we have to? Suggestions * Nerf HP Why so medium suits can out tank us again? * Nerf HMG Range Only the SG, NK, and ion pistol have less range then the HMG * Reduce Explosive Resistance Guess you wanna go back to nading the slow ss heavies again...* * Reduce Movement Speed Most suits walk faster then I sprint... * Reduce Rotation Speed Plates reduce turn speed you know. ^ Two of the these are probably needed, but if you guys can come to consensus on one I won't complain. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1344	Posted - 2014.06.14 02:28:00 - [2] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: After months of the scout witch hunt I have known Fatties were up next. It is overdue. I was on the short end of a Fattie's HMG recently and the kill screen said 58 meters. This was a basic HMG. That is simply far too much range for that weapon to be effective. I was at full health. Close quarters, yeah ok. Almost 60 meters? No, you can't have both. From what I see in pubs, the majority run fat now. I can see why. Unless you were an untanked minmatar scout standing completely still im gonna call bll sht... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1345	Posted - 2014.06.14 03:06:00 - [3] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Lorhak Gannarsein wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: After months of the scout witch hunt I have known Fatties were up next. It is overdue. I was on the short end of a Fattie's HMG recently and the kill screen said 58 meters. This was a basic HMG. That is simply far too much range for that weapon to be effective. I was at full health. Close quarters, yeah ok. Almost 60 meters? No, you can't have both. From what I see in pubs, the majority run fat now. I can see why. Unless you were an untanked minmatar scout standing completely still im gonna call bll sht... You can call whatever you want. It's the internet. G/1-Series Gal scout with 87 hp shield and 162 hp armor. I was standing in one of those open square containers. Jumped and then...58 meters and it was church. So you were totally untanked, standing still and in the open. While 58 metres is quite a bit much, there are more problems with that scenario than just the HMG. So, after all the forum posts the last few months I've read with belly aching about tanked brick tanked scouts, my non-tanked speed oriented scout constitutes a problem? A bit hypocritical is being polite. The container is open at both ends but enclosed so I wasn't in the open. I don't care if my scout was asleep. 58m is unacceptable. Look at that range the HMG is doing chip damage at best. Plus due to the bullet dispersion fix maybe 10% of the bullets will hit you have NO EXCUSE if you die to a HMG at that range... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1345	Posted - 2014.06.14 03:35:00 - [4] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Look at that range the HMG is doing chip damage at best. Plus due to the bullet dispersion fix maybe 10% of the bullets will hit you have NO EXCUSE if you die to a HMG at that range...[/quote] I've read other threads on this subject in which you personally posted comments. At least you are consistent. You obviously run a heavy with an HMG. And don't lie to me Vitharr. As such, I will take your opinions on it with a wary grain of salt. At least I fully disclosed. [/quote] Dude take a peek at my sig I am an Amarr Omnisoldier Ive been a heavy since closed beta. I stuck with a Heavy even in the garbage that was uprising 1.0 through the FIX that was 1.7. As my SP grew I branched out to further my ability to adapt to a battle. That said my heart is heavy, so when people try to nerf my love into oblivion because they wanna be a b*tch i get a bit defensive Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1346	Posted - 2014.06.14 04:20:00 - [5] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Look at that range the HMG is doing chip damage at best. Plus due to the bullet dispersion fix maybe 10% of the bullets will hit you have NO EXCUSE if you die to a HMG at that range... I've read other threads on this subject in which you personally posted comments. At least you are consistent. You obviously run a heavy with an HMG. And don't lie to me Vitharr. As such, I will take your opinions on it with a wary grain of salt. At least I fully disclosed. Dude take a peek at my sig I am an Amarr Omnisoldier Ive been a heavy since closed beta. I stuck with a Heavy even in the garbage that was uprising 1.0 through the FIX that was 1.7. As my SP grew I branched out to further my ability to adapt to a battle. That said my heart is heavy, so when people try to nerf my love into oblivion because they wanna be a btch i get a bit defensive[/quote] Don't "dude" me and for future reference grown men don't like being called a ****. Some day you will know this as well. [/quote] If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. BTW I'm in game and looked at the efficiency of the HMG at 58m and it's 25%, but the amount of bullets that will hit are ludicrously small a heavy would have to crouch to get even 20% of the bullets to hit and you would have to be standing completely still to have even a chance of being hit... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1350	Posted - 2014.06.14 06:00:00 - [6] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: ] If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. BTW I'm in game and looked at the efficiency of the HMG at 58m and it's 25%, but the amount of bullets that will hit are ludicrously small a heavy would have to crouch to get even 20% of the bullets to hit and you would have to be standing completely still to have even a chance of being hit... Says the pimple faced lad. Isn't it past your bedtime? The adults are trying to talk. [/quote] Not gonna lower myself to slinging insults. That being said I've only been using the HMG since closed beta so before you end up looking like a "pimpled faced lad" think about what you say... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1350	Posted - 2014.06.14 06:28:00 - [7] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: ] If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. BTW I'm in game and looked at the efficiency of the HMG at 58m and it's 25%, but the amount of bullets that will hit are ludicrously small a heavy would have to crouch to get even 20% of the bullets to hit and you would have to be standing completely still to have even a chance of being hit... Says the pimple faced lad. Isn't it past your bedtime? The adults are trying to talk. Not gonna lower myself to slinging insults. That being said I've only been using the HMG since closed beta so before you end up looking like a "pimpled faced lad" think about what you say... Not gonna sling insults? Look up "hypocrite" in the dictionary. [/quote] Please tell me at what point I insulted YOU personally? That being said you have yet to add ANYTHING useful to this topic for a while now while I took the time to go in game and refute your pathetic claims, thus revealing you to be a sad, butthurt merc who is mad that the sentinels aren't pushovers anymore Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1351	Posted - 2014.06.14 06:38:00 - [8] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: ] If it looks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's a duck. BTW I'm in game and looked at the efficiency of the HMG at 58m and it's 25%, but the amount of bullets that will hit are ludicrously small a heavy would have to crouch to get even 20% of the bullets to hit and you would have to be standing completely still to have even a chance of being hit... Says the pimple faced lad. Isn't it past your bedtime? The adults are trying to talk. Not gonna lower myself to slinging insults. That being said I've only been using the HMG since closed beta so before you end up looking like a "pimpled faced lad" think about what you say... Not gonna sling insults? Look up "hypocrite" in the dictionary. Please tell me at what point I insulted YOU personally? That being said you have yet to add ANYTHING useful to this topic for a while now while I took the time to go in game and refute your pathetic claims, thus revealing you to be a sad, butthurt merc who is mad that the sentinels aren't pushovers anymore "Thus" is a big people word. Slow down sport. [/quote] Hey, it's your credibility that's going down the sh*tter not mine... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1351	Posted - 2014.06.14 06:57:00 - [9] - Quote Eruditus 920 wrote: Please tell me at what point I insulted YOU personally? That being said you have yet to add ANYTHING useful to this topic for a while now while I took the time to go in game and refute your pathetic claims, thus revealing you to be a sad, butthurt merc who is mad that the sentinels aren't pushovers anymore[/quote] "Thus" is a big people word. Slow down sport. [/quote] Hey, it's your credibility that's going down the shtter not mine...[/quote] This ain't a job interview Einstein it's a video game forum. And since you called me a bi_ch I think I've added quite a bit to this thread, wouldn't you? [/quote] Don't "dude" me and for future reference grown men don't like being called a ***. Some day you will know this as well. Says the pimple faced lad. Isn't it past your bedtime? The adults are trying to talk. Not gonna sling insults? Look up "hypocrite" in the dictionary. I'm having a conversation with an idiot. I'm out Einstein. Good luck. "Thus" is a big people word. Slow down sport. This ain't a job interview Einstein it's a video game forum. And since you called me a bi_ch I think I've added quite a bit to this thread, wouldn't you? That is all you've added since you made the assumption that I refered to you as a bitch though I must admit at this point the word seems to suit you quite well... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1351	Posted - 2014.06.14 06:58:00 - [10] - Quote Vicious Minotaur wrote: This Chromosome-era heavy is amused... Mr. Norse name versus Mr. Ironic name. Anyway, people with functional brain cells can easily counter an HMG heavy. It happens to this fat-boy all the time. Here's hoping rationality prevails. Rationality from this crowd is asking alot... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r

Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1353	Posted - 2014.06.14 08:17:00 - [11] - Quote Arkena Wyrnspire wrote: Meee One wrote: Currently heavies base movement is 3m/s. No it isn't. If you use complex plates its pretty close to that on an Amarr sentinel 3.13 to be exact... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1356	Posted - 2014.06.14 08:54:00 - [12] - Quote Ealphea Aeeagol wrote: Eruditus 920 wrote: Please tell me at what point I insulted YOU personally? That being said you have yet to add ANYTHING useful to this topic for a while now while I took the time to go in game and refute your pathetic claims, thus revealing you to be a sad, butthurt merc who is mad that the sentinels aren't pushovers anymore "Thus" is a big people word. Slow down sport. [/quote] Hey, it's your credibility that's going down the shtter not mine...[/quote] This ain't a job interview Einstein it's a video game forum. And since you called me a bi_ch I think I've added quite a bit to this thread, wouldn't you? [/quote] Duuuuude. Shut the *** up. You are a whiny little b*tch that starts to personally attack people who are not agreeing with her, and then turns around calling them names. Get on topic and defend your claims, or STFU and "get gud". OT: Heavies are fine. HMGs are fine.[/quote] There IS no defense hence why he stopped discussing and started attacking :3 Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1370	Posted - 2014.06.14 14:41:00 - [13] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: You guys gonna step up and ask for a nerf or do we have to? Suggestions * Nerf HP Why so medium suits can out tank us again? * Nerf HMG Range Only the SG, NK, and ion pistol have less range then the HMG * Reduce Explosive Resistance Guess you wanna go back to nading the slow ss heavies again...* * Reduce Movement Speed Most suits walk faster then I sprint... * Reduce Rotation Speed Plates reduce turn speed you know. ^ Two of the these are probably needed, but if you guys can come to consensus on one I won't complain. since you obviously dont get it lemme repeat myself Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1373	Posted - 2014.06.14 16:01:00 - [14] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: So if you don't know anything, how about not offering solutions? That's not how the process works, good sir. Scouts were over-performing; when it came time to fix them: * Scouts acknowledged that they were OP and many offered solutions. * Non-Scouts and Anti-Scouts offered their own solutions. * Rattati / Logibro weighed feedback and delivered an arguably even-handed fix. * Had Scouts been nerfed to uselessness, Scouts would not have been to blame. Anti-Infantry Vehicles were over-performing; when it came time to fix them: * Most Pilots insisted that everything was fine and refused to participate. * Non-Pilots and Anti-Pilots offered solutions to the very real problem. * Rattati / Logibro now have to "guess" at a fix due to lack of consensus. * If Tanks and Birds are nerfed to useless, Pilots themselves are to blame. So which path will Heavies choose? I'm willing to bet you'll dig your heels and follow the Pilot's precedent. I'm very much looking forward to offering my very best input to Rattati when the time comes to address your overperformance. Should you turn a blind eye to the problem and your gear gets nerfed to useless, who will be to blame? Look I understand if you are new to the game and need help so I will give you the secret to killing a HMG heavy. Don't put yourself on the scary side of the gun. It will kill you If you are on the scary side stay at least 30m away at that range the bullet dispersion is crap unless the heavy is crouching, which then allows for free headshots. If you are a CQC scout get within 5m of the heavy... at that range the heavy lacks the ability to track you as well as it needs to to get full bullet contact If you see a suit with yellow on it thats what we call a logistics suit it heals the heavy and supplies the heavy with ammo killing the logi will make killing the heavy loads easier. If you find your self in a 1v1 with a heavy strafe strafe strafe with the slow down effect gone you can now use your superior movement to reduce the amount of bullets you take while the heavy cannot. Hopefully this helps you to overcome the blueberry status you are currently stuck in and good luck on the battlefield Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1377	Posted - 2014.06.14 19:22:00 - [15] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Rynoceros wrote: End Is Here wrote: STOP NERFING and start BUFFING! I am SO SICK of all you cry babies. Keep getting the game fked up. No wonder nobody wants to play. Im an 1800 hp heavy and I die LOTS. I have been two shotted by snipers, 1 shotted by re's, run over, smooshed, stuck on a ledge untill stoned to death by angry mob. ENOUGH IS ENOUGH! The ONLY problem with the game is logis reaping heavies and head shots. A heavy without a logi is good as dead! If you want to kill the heavy, kill the medic FIRST! G.G.S! Abso-*****-lutely. Did you even read what you've agreed with? Patrick57 wrote:** I play as a Heavy a lot, and I would be fine with both an HMG damage nerf (a small one, it should not be able to be out-DPS'ed by a light weapon in its optimal range) and decreased turn speed. As a Heavy, if I let a shotgun scout get behind me, they deserve to kill me. I should not be able to turn around and strafe backwards to avoid their shots. Here is a Heavy who knows his counter. Good for you, Patrick. And good luck with your peers. o7 Have you FCKING EVER RUN A DMN HEAVY??! It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person... do me a favor and get into a militia Amarr heavy put complex plates on it and give it two sets of nova knives that's what you want a heavy to be right? A big fat F*CKING JOKE AGAIN! Your right though, CCP Rattatai IS a problem solver too bad for you there is no problem to be solved. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1379	Posted - 2014.06.14 19:30:00 - [16] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Have you FCKING EVER RUN A DMN HEAVY??! It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person... do me a favor and get into a militia Amarr heavy put complex plates on it and give it two sets of nova knives that's what you want a heavy to be right? A big fat F*CKING JOKE AGAIN! Your right though, CCP Rattatai IS a problem solver too bad for you there is no problem to be solved. I've told you guys numerous times now that I've never once worn a Heavy Suit. 46m SP and I've never touch it. Even so, I'd very much like to participate in balance discussions on the topic of your gear. Dont need skills to get into a militia suit. Don't judge a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes. Get into an Amarr heavy and use NK and MILITIA SMG and complex plates and see what you are asking for... Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1379	Posted - 2014.06.14 19:34:00 - [17] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Have you FCKING EVER RUN A DMN HEAVY??! It's like trying to explain colors to a blind person... do me a favor and get into a militia Amarr heavy put complex plates on it and give it two sets of nova knives that's what you want a heavy to be right? A big fat FCKING JOKE AGAIN! Your right though, CCP Rattatai IS a problem solver too bad for you there is no problem to be solved. I've told you guys numerous times now that I've never once worn a Heavy Suit. 46m SP and I've never touch it. Even so, I'd very much like to participate in balance discussions on the topic of your gear. Dont need skills to get into a militia suit. Don't judge a man till you've walked a mile in his shoes. Get into an Amarr heavy and use NK and MILITIA SMG and complex plates and see what you are asking for... Are you seriously asking me to run Nova Knifes on a Heavy Frame!? If I'm going to run a Militia Heavy, why not run a Combat or Rail Rifle? those are too powerful from 1.0 to 1.7 the fcking BOUNDLESS HMG was out dpsed by the militia smg i'm doing you a favor and yes i'm asking you to run a nova knife i want to emulate the heavy you are asking for Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1379	Posted - 2014.06.14 19:42:00 - [18] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: those are too powerful from 1.0 to 1.7 the fcking BOUNDLESS* HMG was out dpsed by the militia smg i'm doing you a favor Nova Knives too powerful? Militia SMG > Proto HMG? I do you hope you'll be participating in the balance discussions with Rattati. You and I are going to get along quite nicely. We should squad up sometime. you seem to have artfully misquoted me the rail and the combat rifle are too powerful to be used on your proposed heavy the NK are just there to rub the salt in the wound as most suits walk faster then the amarr heavy sprints Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1379	Posted - 2014.06.14 19:44:00 - [19] - Quote Remotes are balanced if i let a scout get that close im usually dead anyway Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1384	Posted - 2014.06.14 21:30:00 - [20] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: @ Rynoceros A fair point; two sides to every equation. Equity * HMG Heavy spots Scout (or Scouts) in range. Wins. * SG / NK Scout sneaks up behind Heavy. Wins. Inequity * HMG Heavy spots Scout (or Scouts) in range. Wins. * SG / NK Scout sneaks up behind Heavy. Wins, USUALLY. Can you help me solve this equation? Solved Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r

Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1387	Posted - 2014.06.15 04:42:00 - [21] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Llast 326 wrote: I remember when we were both UP I'd stick up for my Fatbros they'd stick up for usGÇª Now that you mention it, it is rather odd that not a single, eloquent Heavy interrupted the RE discussions to say ... "Hold that thought, Rattati! Short of using REs, a newbro Scout who's flanked my high-end Heavy quite literally has zero odds of killing me. You see, his standard knives or shotgun can't kill me faster than I can pirouette and kill him. But if he has REs, he has a chance; REs narrow the gap between the low-end Scout and high-end Heavy much like the monstrously powerful HMG narrows the gap between low-end Heavy and high-end Scout." Sadly, nothing at all like this from our old friends, the Heavies. Quite the opposite, in fact ... Nerf REs harder, 2 meter radius, 500 damage, add blinking lights, give them beeping sounds, etc etc etc. Vitharr Foebane wrote: Remotes are balanced if i let a scout get that close im usually dead anyway Just thought I'd drop by and remind ya how delusional and biased you are xD Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1387	Posted - 2014.06.15 04:55:00 - [22] - Quote Adipem Nothi wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Remotes are balanced if i let a scout get that close im usually dead anyway Just thought I'd drop by and remind ya how delusional and biased you are xD Is that what you told Rattati or is it something you said to us, here, earlier today? Perhaps you are not aware, but Remote Explosives are being nerfed by no small degree in Bravo. What would you say if I told you that your lumbering colleagues would have had REs nerfed even harder? Incorrect they are getting BUFFED 1750 will kill almost any suit in the game. Are you upset that REs cant be frisbee nades anymore? Take that up with ALL suits not just heavies the med suits complained more then any heavy I know. But again you are biased and REFUSE to acknowledge your errors but I'm ok with that because the will always such folk in any game. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r
Vitharr Foebane Terminal Courtesy 1391	Posted - 2014.06.15 22:43:00 - [23] - Quote Atiim wrote: Argetlam Thorson wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: What advise would you have me give? Charged knife shot to the back followed by a couple of rounds of CR (or a SG blast, if you want a heavy takedown suit) should do the trick. It worked great at taking down heavies before I got tired of instadying to shotgun Gal scouts from nowhere. Or get a RR and shoot the heavy anywhere from 45-90 meters away while strafing. Otherwise? Don't plan on going after heavies as a light suit. Its not a good idea. Stick to Ewar and ganking other scouts and mediums as a general rule. The problem with that second part, is that the Light Frame/Scout is the designated counter of the Sentinel. Saying that Scout shouldn't plan on going after them is analogous to saying that an AVer should refrain from going after HAVs. I'm not going to explain why that's a problem, as I hope that your smart enough to understand why. Scouts are already a great counter to the heavy. Ive had my lard handed to me countless times by SG scouts from militia allllll the way up to prototype. Amarr: Sentinel V Scout V Assault IV Commando IV Logistics IV I place my faith in my God, my Empress, and my Laz0r