This is much better. The Amarr assault is gaining a low slot in hot fix bravo which will change things a lot. I use Amarr assaults myself and definitely agree that it needs the extra slot to be comparable to the other assaults. The bonus is awesome though.

The Amarr scout is considered to be the worst, however not because of it's lack of ability to be an assault suit but because it lacks a bonus that is helpful in the scout role.

Maybe regen (as well as base hp and cpu/pg as I have already suggested) is something else that needs adjusting for assaults and maybe scouts too. Though care would be needed as with the upcoming improvements to regulators and rechargers it would be a shame if nobody felt the need to use them.

So thanks for the proper comparison but I don't think you chose a good example considering the upcoming changes to Amarr assaults.

I still think it's a great exaggeration to say that scout suits (fitted for the assault role) have similar hp to assault suits.

Edit:
I haven't tried recreating your fits but for a quick comparison, say you fit an extra enhanced plate in the extra slot you will get in bravo. The Amarr assault will now have approximately 26% more hp than the scout. That is not really what I would call "similar". I'm not saying assaults don't need a buff. I just think they only need a small one. I accept that it might not be that easy to just fit an extra enhanced plate, since cpu/pg won't be changed in bravo.

After taking your suggestion and theorycrafing fittings, I've found that your correct and they aren't gamebreaking. Apologies for jumping the gun there.

But if his proposal is not on a per level basis then it'd be worthless. Nobody's going to invest SP or use a suit that only gives them an extra 3.3HP per extender or 0.25% damage increase.

Caldari suit comparison

Regeneration is an important part of the Assaulting role, and as such they should have the best regeneration when compared to their other racial suits.

I can't really argue with this. As you pointed out, whilst the assault does have more hp than the scout the difference is minimal when it tries to compete with the regen.

I do think Caldari are the main problem though, since Caldari scouts benefit so much from the high regen as well as having the best regen. The other scouts are much less of an issue following the Gallente scout nerf in alpha and the upcoming amarr assault buff in bravo (if you compare like races).

So the issue really is that Caldari scout's high regen is an assault stat that pushes the balance too far in their favour.

How about this for a balance fix then:

Give Cal and Min scout and assault suits a regen of 30hp/s and give Gal and Amarr scout and assault suits a regen of 20hp/s.

A small change like this I believe is all we need to restore balance. Maybe cpu/pg levels would need a slight tweak too as I have stated before, to overcome the fitting freedom that suits with multiple equipment enjoy if they skimp on equipment.

edit: forgot about shield delay, normalise that too.

I would disagree.

Regeneration is important to scouts and light frames, who should be rather running on low health high regeneration as tool of defense. Thus they should have the best regen.

A heavy should be about High HP tank, as tool of survival but at a cost have little regeneration ability.

An Assault suit needs to be the best balance of the two. An assault suit should be resilient and capable of regeneration.

The current problem is that scouts can tank all they want and still have high regen while Assaults are hindered by comparison when they tank. The fix to this is to rework armor + shields so that it would be unfavorable to run tank on scouts, regen on heavies, and purity on assaults.

Assaults should be about balanced tank and balanced regen and hypothetically fits should contain the two types of modules regen and tank at various proportions based on racial.

Why is regen important to scouts. I thought the role of a scout was to 1) provide squad Intel and 2) assassinate high priory or lone wolf targets. Neither of these agendas require the scout to regen. The scout should have lower hp and should avoid taking fire. If the scout wants great regen they should be forced to sacrifice tank to do so. Currently they do not.

Scouts have little starting HP. The survival philosophy of scout design was to use a suit with little HP that regenerates quickly making it very suitable for hitting and running. Scouts are about speed and regeneration is speed.
The role of any suit has nothing to do with its defensive mechanisms. The role of the Assault suit is to kill but obviously no design philosophy is recognizable in that category when you look at the suit.

I've said this before, but I'll do so one last time. Give an additional bonus to each racial suit in order to increase it's survivability, and thus it's killing effectiveness.

Gallente:
3~5% Bonus to Armor Repair Modules and Reactive Plates Per Level

Result: Gallente Assaults become an armor buffer tank who get additional eHP and repairs from reactive plates and a lot better repairs from their armor repair modules. Gallente assault becomes viable.

Amarr:
3~5% Bonus to a Armor Plates and Ferroscale Plates Per Level

Result: Amarr assaults become armor eHP tanks, basically becoming a light heavy suit with a smaller hit box. Amarr assault becomes viable

Caldari:
3~5% Bonus to Shield Extender, Recharger and Energizer Modules Per Level

Result: Caldari suits become shield eHP tanks with super fast shield regeneration. Caldari assault becomes viable.

Minmatar:
20% Increase to Damage Modules and 3~5% Increase to Shield Regulator Modules Per Level

Result: Minmatar Assault becomes a hit-and-run shield buffer tank with high DPS and low eHP. Minmatar assault becomes viable.




The Minmatar bonus is tricky because you don't want to make it tanky but you want it to be effective. Giving it a bonus to 20% damage mods brings their damage mods to 10% at level 5 instead of the current 5% at complex tier, thus helping them to make up for their ridiculously low eHP. And the regulator bonus also helps them make up for their low eHP by helping them get their shields back more quickly.

I think the other bonuses speak for themselves.

2% per level Damage buff for Assault Suits, on top of the bonuses they already have, to help define their role as a medium health DPS class.

As a Min Assaulter since 1.4, I still find the suit hard to use, although it amazing.


I can get around 800 EPH with 537 Shields and 270 Armor

My Fit:

Six Kin Combat Rifle
'Spitfire' Six Kin Submachine Gun
M1 Locus
5x Complex Shield Extenders
One Basic Armor Plate
One Basic Reactive
A-45 Active Scanner

The problem is once my shields are gone, and they go very quickly due to no resistances, it takes the full brunt of the 35% Shield Recharge Delay, and my regen takes almost 20 seconds for my shields to come back.

Basically what I suggest is a faster regen for Assaults, but at the same time they could get a bonus to everything they run`. The Other suits are basically hardcore Assault variations. The scout, ultra-fast and stealthy assault. The Sentinel is extremely tanked out for an assault, but very slow. The Commando is a Assault-Heavy breed capable of adapting to myriad battlefield conditions. Each of them get their own bonuses, so the Assault should get over arching but small bonuses to anything they run.

Caldari: -3% Recharge Delay Reduction per level (Max running 5 complex shields takes you down to 20%), and they get plus 10% to Shield Regulators and Energizers. Shield tankers that can actually survive against a Scrambler

Gallente: +2% to Armor Repair Modules and Reactive Plates( Someone else's suggestion). Gallente can constantly rep and keep pushing.

Minmatar: 5% Bonus to Damage Mods and -2% profile and +2% Speed per level. Encourages Matari to Flank.

Amarr: 5% to ferroscale plates and armor plates per level.

This on top of Racial Weapon Bonuses.