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Regeneration is an important part of the Assaulting role, and as such they should have the best regeneration when compared to their other racial suits.

While I don't mean to derail the thread, KAGEHOSHI made an excellent point on what the Assault & Basic Medium Frames slots should look like, which should be looked into as well.

I have mentioned multiple times in the past that I think assaults need regeneration on steroids, something no other suit can achieve without being gimped.

This has been my consensus for a long while as well. But I wondered if there are other less obvious ways.

Well, all my other ideas include stuff that cannot be done with hotfixes, so they're out of the question.

This would probably be hell to balance properly, but what if assaults had a flat bonus to all modules used in their respective slots. For example, A gallente assault would have a 5% bonus to any module used in a low slot while a caldari assault would get the same for highs. Minmatar and Amarr would split the bonuses unevenly with 2% and 3% bonuses to their preferred slots.

I could put together a spreadsheet showing module bonuses if this is considered.

Besides that I'm already having an easier time using my assault suit with the armor repair modules buffed. I'm able to recover from surprise scout attacks and long skirmishes with heavies so maybe we could push repping further.

I have mentioned multiple times in the past that I think assaults need regeneration on steroids, something no other suit can achieve without being gimped.

This would probably be hell to balance properly, but what if assaults had a flat bonus to all modules used in their respective slots. For example, A gallente assault would have a 5% bonus to any module used in a low slot while a caldari assault would get the same for highs. Minmatar and Amarr would split the bonuses unevenly with 2% and 3% bonuses to their preferred slots.

I could put together a spreadsheet showing module bonuses if this is considered.

Besides that I'm already having an easier time using my assault suit with the armor repair modules buffed. I'm able to recover from surprise scout attacks and long skirmishes with heavies so maybe we could push repping further.

Take for example, the Shield Extender. Assuming you mean 5% efficiency per level, you would essentially be adding a 25% buff to Shield Extenders; pair that with the 10% efficiency that Shield Extension gives you, and your looking at 90HP Extenders at the Complex Tier.

Caldari Assaults would be inherently broken. Though there are possible workarounds to this, such as given certain efficiency bonuses for certain modules. i.e

+2% Shield Extender efficiency per level and +5% Shield Recharger & Energizer efficiency per level.

I've an idea, but it'd mean implementing new modules entirely. (And they said they wont be doing client side updates)
Weapon Mod slots.
Each suit would have an amount of Weapon mod slots, Assaults (At prototype) with 4 or so, Heavies and lights with 2, and Logis with 1.

This would mean creating new sills, moving damage modules to these new slots, and making modules such as ammo expansion, heat sinks, possibly RoF mods etc.
It'd be nice.

Well, Assault ships in EVE get bonuses to Micro Warp Drives, which is like kinetic catalyzers on steroids.

We could try to give assaults kin cat bonuses, but that would somewhat imbalance shield and armor assaults, since one can both have a full rack of tank and kin cats, while the other needs to choose to sacrifice tank to have one kin cat.

I've said this before, but I'll do so one last time. Give an additional bonus to each racial suit in order to increase it's survivability, and thus it's killing effectiveness.

Gallente:
3~5% Bonus to Armor Repair Modules and Reactive Plates Per Level

Result: Gallente Assaults become an armor buffer tank who get additional eHP and repairs from reactive plates and a lot better repairs from their armor repair modules. Gallente assault becomes viable.

Amarr:
3~5% Bonus to a Armor Plates and Ferroscale Plates Per Level

Result: Amarr assaults become armor eHP tanks, basically becoming a light heavy suit with a smaller hit box. Amarr assault becomes viable

Caldari:
3~5% Bonus to Shield Extender, Recharger and Energizer Modules Per Level

Result: Caldari suits become shield eHP tanks with super fast shield regeneration. Caldari assault becomes viable.

Minmatar:
20% Increase to Damage Modules and 3~5% Increase to Shield Regulator Modules Per Level

Result: Minmatar Assault becomes a hit-and-run shield buffer tank with high DPS and low eHP. Minmatar assault becomes viable.




The Minmatar bonus is tricky because you don't want to make it tanky but you want it to be effective. Giving it a bonus to 20% damage mods lets their damage mods to 10% at level 5 instead of the current 5%, thus helping them to make up for their ridiculously low eHP. And the regulator bonus also helps them make up for their low eHP by helping them get their shields back more quickly.

I think the other bonuses speak for themselves.

Somehow I feel like this alone still wouldn't give me enough of a significant reason to choose assault over scouts or logi's.

Just gut, but i'd love to see some fits that demonstrate the strength of this suggestion :D

BTW, gg earlier Baal, those knives hurt

I looked at Kagehoshi's thread and something that's been bothering me lately has been the reality that modules account for the VAST majority of all tank on all suits aside from sentinels/commando's.

If your suits base EHP comprised a MUCH larger % of your EHP pool andbrick tanking as a whole might only increase youre pool by say...30% as opposed to the 80% is is most of the time for non heavy frames (let's not get into e-war or gank) then I think balancing things like assaults and even modules like rechargers and regulators would be MUCH easier.

Because the choice isn't so drastic to your tank of choice.

Also, chew on this idea...to create imperfect balance what if we made assaults the ones with the close to parity of high/low slots (think 5 high's 3 low's on a caldari) while logi's were more polarized (6 high's 2 lows on caldari).

Just a thought to create more diversity.

I usually agree with what kagehoshi says but that idea is a marvellously presented pile of sht.

Any proper logi will be forced to give up their regen to stack plates and shields if they lose slots.

The slayer Logis will just stack full plates and shields and carry triarge hives.


So basically just a big dump on Logis because of the few scrubbers, dusts life story.

There are big problems with the medium frame slot layouts that need to be addressed. "Too long; didn't read" (TL;DR) version on post 2 (click here).



Slayer logi issue originates from the logis to tank more HP than their assault counterparts, allowing them to be more survivable killing platforms. This problem won't truly go away until the slots are handled correctly, just right now brick-tank scouts are bigger issue.

Logis sacrifice sidearms, mobility, & base HP in exchange for for 2-3 more equipment (equip) slots than their assault counterparts. That seems like a fair deal, but on top of the 2 or 3 more equip slots, there is some crazy weirdness with the slot layouts that leads to imbalance.

- At standard (STD) tier all logis (with the odd exception of the Amarr (Am) one) have inferior module (mod) slot layouts compared to the STD assault counterparts.
- Advanced (ADV) tier logis either get equal or superior mod slot layouts compared to their ADV assault counterparts.
- Prototype (PRO) tier logis all gain an extra low slot than their PRO assault counterpart, the caldari one also gains an extra high slot also.

Summary: logis underpowered (UP) at STD tier, balanced or overpowered (OP) at ADV, & all OP at PRO.

No reason for the Caldari (Cal) logi only having 2 equip at STD instead of 3; it isn't gaining anything extra compared to other STD logis or its assault counterpart for the sacrifice. The STD Cal logi is UP even compared to the other UP STD logis.

There is also the issue of the Am medium slot layouts. 1.8 has Am mediums shifting from hybrid tanking (equal shields & armor) to predominantly having armor; this requires a slot layout change of more low slots for effective armor tanking. Right now the progression of Am mediums is odd, they start with more high slots (2 at militia (MLT) & STD).

Am assault has less mod slots than other assaults. Yes it has a tiny 30 more base HP than the Caldari & Gallente assault, a small advantage already countered by being the slowest assault. It should be noted that the Am scout, Am sentinel, & Am commando also has more base HP compared to the other races' dropsuits of the same roles, yet these other Am suits aren't forced to give up a slot; neither should the Am assault since the extra HP is already balanced by the speed loss. This issue makes the Am assault suffer the most from the brick-tanked scout problem, since the Am scout has more mod slots at STD-ADV than the assault, & same mod slot count at PRO; this allows the Am scout to surpass the Am assault in HP, while being faster, having a 2nd equip, stealthier, etc.

Give basic frames a purpose, there is 36 STD-PRO basic frames; way too many suits in the game to have be completely useless; useless because they're inferior versions of the specialized suits (ex: assaults, scouts, etc), & they can't even be used as a way to save money since they cost the same as the specialized suits; there is no reason to use a basic frame after unlocking specialization. We should never have 36 items that are worthless. For more on the basic frame issue go here.

Basic mediums should be generalized middle-ground between the assault & logi, it would make the assault truly specialized by comparison instead of just being basic frames with bonuses added. It would also give players the ability to test-drive both assault & logi roles before specializing; right now you can test out the assault role with a basic medium, but can't with a logi role with their parent frame.




Part 1: assault & logi

Give the Cal logistics 3 equip slots at STD. Also 4 equip at PRO (reduce mod slot from 9 to 8 in exchange).

Give all assaults the same number of mod slots.

Equalize the mod slot layouts for assaults & logis of the same race & tier:

Assault & logi STD (high/low)
Am: 2/4
Ga: 2/4
Ca: 4/2 (+1 equip for logi)
Min: 3/3

Assault & logi ADV
Am: 2/5
Ga: 3/4
Ca: 5/2
Min: 4/3

Assault & logi PRO
Am: 3/5
Ga: 3/5
Ca: 5/3 (+1 equip for logi)
Min: 4/4



Part 2: basic medium frames
To fix the aforementioned issue, basic medium frames should have:

One more equip for a total of 2. Makes basics generalist between assault & logi.

1 less mod slot than their assault & logi counterparts; Tradeoff for more equip slots.

Basic medium MLT (high/low/equip)
Am: 2/2/2
Ga: 1/3/2
Ca: 3/1/2
Min: 2/1/2

Basic medium STD
Am: 2/3/2
Ga: 2/3/2
Ca: 3/2/2
Min: 3/2/2

Basic medium ADV
Am: 2/4/2
Ga: 2/4/2
Ca: 4/2/2
Min: 3/3/2

Basic medium PRO
Am: 3/4/2
Ga: 2/5/2
Ca: 5/2/2
Min: 4/3/2

Obviously PG/CPU should be tweaked
Both assaults & logis have the same mod slot counts: 6 STD, 7 ADV, 8 PRO. Most logis did not get a mod slot nerf in this plan

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