I do kind of feel that assaults should also have slightly better ewar being like: Light [ Scout ] > Medium [ Assaut > Logistics ] > Heavy [ Commando > Sentinel ]

As it stands scouts have a monopoly on it:

BASE EWAR STATS [ Profile / Precision / Radius ]
[ 35 / 40 / 20.0 ] Scout
[ 50 / 50 / 10.0 ] Assault
[ 50 / 45 / 15.0 ] Logistics
[ 60 / 55 / 10.0 ] Commando
[ 60 / 55 / 10.0 ] Sentinel

A more appealing curve taking the current scout attributes as a starting point
[ 35 / 40 / 20.0 ] Scout
[ 40 / 45 / 17.5 ] Assault
[ 45 / 50 / 15.0 ] Logistics
[ 50 / 55 / 12.5 ] Commando
[ 55 / 60 / 10.0 ] Sentinel

Given the Scout's inherent ability bonuses and ease of use of a cloak Assaults would never really compete directly on EWAR, but they can dabble in it with modules and catch other classes off guard.

This is wild speculations by the way and can be a nice change, there's been NO number analysis on this, just mentioning that EWAR is another field we can take into account, heck at least let us be the same as the other medium suits! lol

I see a lot of people claim scouts have the same or more hp than assaults. This is simply not true.

For example, a fully shield tanked advanced caldari assault has about 35% more hp than a fully shield tanked advanced caldari scout.

For comparison, the scout only has a 9% higher movement speed.

This is much better. The Amarr assault is gaining a low slot in hot fix bravo which will change things a lot. I use Amarr assaults myself and definitely agree that it needs the extra slot to be comparable to the other assaults. The bonus is awesome though.

The Amarr scout is considered to be the worst, however not because of it's lack of ability to be an assault suit but because it lacks a bonus that is helpful in the scout role.

Maybe regen (as well as base hp and cpu/pg as I have already suggested) is something else that needs adjusting for assaults and maybe scouts too. Though care would be needed as with the upcoming improvements to regulators and rechargers it would be a shame if nobody felt the need to use them.

So thanks for the proper comparison but I don't think you chose a good example considering the upcoming changes to Amarr assaults.

I still think it's a great exaggeration to say that scout suits (fitted for the assault role) have similar hp to assault suits.

Edit:
I haven't tried recreating your fits but for a quick comparison, say you fit an extra enhanced plate in the extra slot you will get in bravo. The Amarr assault will now have approximately 26% more hp than the scout. That is not really what I would call "similar". I'm not saying assaults don't need a buff. I just think they only need a small one. I accept that it might not be that easy to just fit an extra enhanced plate, since cpu/pg won't be changed in bravo.

I can't really argue with this. As you pointed out, whilst the assault does have more hp than the scout the difference is minimal when it tries to compete with the regen.

I do think Caldari are the main problem though, since Caldari scouts benefit so much from the high regen as well as having the best regen. The other scouts are much less of an issue following the Gallente scout nerf in alpha and the upcoming amarr assault buff in bravo (if you compare like races).

So the issue really is that Caldari scout's high regen is an assault stat that pushes the balance too far in their favour.

How about this for a balance fix then:

Give Cal and Min scout and assault suits a regen of 30hp/s and give Gal and Amarr scout and assault suits a regen of 20hp/s.

A small change like this I believe is all we need to restore balance. Maybe cpu/pg levels would need a slight tweak too as I have stated before, to overcome the fitting freedom that suits with multiple equipment enjoy if they skimp on equipment.

edit: forgot about shield delay, normalise that too.

I would disagree.

Regeneration is important to scouts and light frames, who should be rather running on low health high regeneration as tool of defense. Thus they should have the best regen.

A heavy should be about High HP tank, as tool of survival but at a cost have little regeneration ability.

An Assault suit needs to be the best balance of the two. An assault suit should be resilient and capable of regeneration.

The current problem is that scouts can tank all they want and still have high regen while Assaults are hindered by comparison when they tank. The fix to this is to rework armor + shields so that it would be unfavorable to run tank on scouts, regen on heavies, and purity on assaults.

Assaults should be about balanced tank and balanced regen and hypothetically fits should contain the two types of modules regen and tank at various proportions based on racial.

Scouts have little starting HP. The survival philosophy of scout design was to use a suit with little HP that regenerates quickly making it very suitable for hitting and running. Scouts are about speed and regeneration is speed.
The role of any suit has nothing to do with its defensive mechanisms. The role of the Assault suit is to kill but obviously no design philosophy is recognizable in that category when you look at the suit.

As a Min Assaulter since 1.4, I still find the suit hard to use, although it amazing.


I can get around 800 EPH with 537 Shields and 270 Armor

My Fit:

Six Kin Combat Rifle
'Spitfire' Six Kin Submachine Gun
M1 Locus
5x Complex Shield Extenders
One Basic Armor Plate
One Basic Reactive
A-45 Active Scanner

The problem is once my shields are gone, and they go very quickly due to no resistances, it takes the full brunt of the 35% Shield Recharge Delay, and my regen takes almost 20 seconds for my shields to come back.

Basically what I suggest is a faster regen for Assaults, but at the same time they could get a bonus to everything they run`. The Other suits are basically hardcore Assault variations. The scout, ultra-fast and stealthy assault. The Sentinel is extremely tanked out for an assault, but very slow. The Commando is a Assault-Heavy breed capable of adapting to myriad battlefield conditions. Each of them get their own bonuses, so the Assault should get over arching but small bonuses to anything they run.

Caldari: -3% Recharge Delay Reduction per level (Max running 5 complex shields takes you down to 20%), and they get plus 10% to Shield Regulators and Energizers. Shield tankers that can actually survive against a Scrambler

Gallente: +2% to Armor Repair Modules and Reactive Plates( Someone else's suggestion). Gallente can constantly rep and keep pushing.

Minmatar: 5% Bonus to Damage Mods and -2% profile and +2% Speed per level. Encourages Matari to Flank.

Amarr: 5% to ferroscale plates and armor plates per level.

This on top of Racial Weapon Bonuses.