Currently HMG Sentinels are WP starved. No equipment slots mean we only get WP for slaying and hacking.
- Slow movement speeds mean we usually are not the first to get to a hackable objective.
- Slow movement speed means it takes us longer to get to the enemy, so a good Sentinel tends to get less kills when hunting (due to less engagements) than a good Assault or Scout.

The one time when a Sentinel does shine is when defending a heavily contested point. When the enemy are coming to me, my slow movement speed is not a factor in getting engagements. Of course, Logi with Uplinks, Nano Hives, Repair Tools, Scanners, Remote Explosives, or Nanite Injectors get a lot more WP than I do when I am defending a heavily contested point.

- Bonus points for kills/assists against someone who is hacking would be very helpful.

- Sentinels should also get a bonus for kills without 30m of a friendly objective. This would reward Sentinels for the defensive role that they are good at, and compensate them for their lack of an equipment slot.

What about a kind of "absorbtion" bonus.

For every enemy 2,500 HP you tank before dying you get 25 pts.

Logis bust their a*ses to get those points,and are more likely to be singled out.

While using a rep tool a logi is defenseless,so hell yes they should get more points.


If you want equipment go commando,if you want speed go assault/scout.

Till then...lrn2LAV

me and my buddy, a sentinel most times while I logi, almost always top the scoreboard when we play together. Granted, I'm #1 and he is #2 in WP, but that is to be expected, the result is that a sentinel is 2nd on the overall board (both teams). The point is that a heavy can EASILY be in the top of the WP board if they are willing to work with a logi. If you are trying to get the top WP score with a Sentinel solo, you are doing it wrong and it will likely never happen, so find a logi-buddy and earn together, it's the only way.

(to be fair, the difference between us can be pretty big, but the difference between him and the rest of the game is usually pretty big as well)

P.S. Make sure that you are sqd lead, and put the order on the logi repping you. You can then farm your own dmg and earn points for the effort of someone else, the logi's, work.

Your argument is that Sentinels can make plenty of WP if the are the Squad lead, and any Sentinel who does not get to be squad lead can suck it?

An Assault suit can make massive WP by putting the defend order on the Sentinel with the Logi healing him, and get massive WP. For that matter, a Logi can get massive additional WPGÇÖs by placing the defend order on another Logi in the squad who is repping a Sentinel. Basically any class can take Squad lead and reap massive WP off the backs of the Logi/Sentinel combo, and then get extra WP from the Orbital Strikes. So, yea, if a Sentinel is squad lead they can top the charts, but if a Sentinel is not squad lead they are second class citizens, simply there for Logi to exploit and yell at.

We are not always one of the squad leaders, but we regularly are the top 2 WP earners when together. I was saying that to show maximum benefits. I added it as a P.S. because it isn't required, but makes it easier. I regularly score higher than our squad lead, and so does my sent, it's just unfair when we have a sqd lead ourselves as well.
EDIT/P.S.- It is very doable. you won't be top of the board, but you will be 2nd. Just run with a logi, regardless of who is sqd lead.
My argument was that you can be in the top 2-3 as long as you work with logi. Anything else was read into it by you.

So how many kills is your friend the Sentinel getting to get second on the score boards all the time? How many WP is he getting, and how is he earning those WP?

How does the Caldari and Minmitar Sentinels work into this arrangement. Fox Gaden is level 5 Minmatar Sentinel, and level 4 Caldari Sentinel. Am I doing it wrong by not skilling into Gallente?

Currently HMG Sentinels are WP starved. No equipment slots mean we only get WP for slaying and hacking.
- Slow movement speeds mean we usually are not the first to get to a hackable objective.
- Slow movement speed means it takes us longer to get to the enemy, so a good Sentinel tends to get less kills when hunting (due to less engagements) than a good Assault or Scout.

The one time when a Sentinel does shine is when defending a heavily contested point. When the enemy are coming to me, my slow movement speed is not a factor in getting engagements. Of course, Logi with Uplinks, Nano Hives, Repair Tools, Scanners, Remote Explosives, or Nanite Injectors get a lot more WP than I do when I am defending a heavily contested point.

- Bonus points for kills/assists against someone who is hacking would be very helpful.

- Sentinels should also get a bonus for kills without 30m of a friendly objective. This would reward Sentinels for the defensive role that they are good at, and compensate them for their lack of an equipment slot.

Because that will never be abused

So, emtbraincase, just to be clear, you are saying that Sentinels should not get any more War Points? I just want you to clearly state your position.

Atllm, if a 10 WP bonus was given for Infantry kills by Sentinels within 30m of an objective, it would not add all that much to AV Sentinels, while helping out HMG Sentinels quite a bit.

CCP has a system in place that prevents WP farming to an extent.

It would be easy to simply create a threshold that stops giving WP after a certain amount of HP has been 'absorbed'.

Atllm, if a 10 WP bonus was given for Infantry kills by Sentinels within 30m of an objective, it would not add all that much to AV Sentinels, while helping out HMG Sentinels quite a bit.

Bullshit. I know plenty of Sentinel players that top the board at least 1500+ WP, with or without a logi. If you don't want a logi you have stack armor repairers instead of armor plates. Either way you have to play smarter.

If you really want a lot of points you can pull out a forge and blow up a few tanks and installations. If I can do it with a militia heavy w/ a militia forge you can do it too. And I run logi primarily.

The only reason why I pull out a forge is because no one else will. I get sick and tired of tanks dominating the field so I have to do something to discourage them. If you are a heavy and run HMG that's great. But if tanks are dominating the field pull out a forge. Don't make your logi do it.

And by the way, most logi's who top the board have less than 1.0 KDR because they spend most of their time keeping you alive. I personally carry a proto rep tool and proto nanite injector. So if you go down I can restore 80% of your health with a single injection and rep the other 20% instantly.

I actually like this idea, as it give the Heavy a reward while also giving it an incentive to focus on point defense, which is what Sentinels were designed for.

If they get more points, reduce the snare effect on their hmg. :p

The snare effect applies to other automatic weapons as well. I have been running a Kin Cat Heavy since 1.3 and you would not believe how slow a Heavy moves when getting shot by a Combat Rifle.

I fully support removal of the GÇ£SlothGÇ¥ effect! Now that hit detection has been fixed I do not believe it is needed. I have posted this in many places.

if a 10 WP bonus was given for Infantry kills by Sentinels within 30m of an objective, it would not add all that much to AV Sentinels, while helping out HMG Sentinels quite a bit.

Fox sorry I high jacked your thread for my War point soap box.



I like that idea however I don't think we should limit this to Heavies only. Lets look at some of the war points already in place and see what we can do.

for 10 points we have
team resupply

for 15 points we have
intel assist

for 25 points we have
kill assist
triage points
team spawn

for 35 we have
guardian

for 50
kills

for 60
head shot kills
revives

Now currently I think 3 of these cause the most issues.

1.Team Spawn. The points you make from drop links is to high. unlike like triage points or kill assist which are alway helpful to the team. The Drop link can be both a blessing or a curse. It great when your team can spawn closer to the objective. However it can also cause your team to spawn into a death camp. I believe lower the War Points to 15 would be a good start(this is also one of the easiest way to drastically increase your war points without doing anything useful)

2. Triage points. 25 points is a solid spot for this.(don't hate me I am a Min logi) The problem I have is with the repair tools itself. it allows oneself to attach a leash to a friend to soak up points without much thought. I believe the repair tools needs to have an overheat function built into it. That way you would need to decide when and who to rep. This also allow more variations with in the repair tool line up. By varying the overheat we can change how long the tools is usable before a cool down is need. This also fixes a concern that it is the only equipment Item then can perma run an entire match. Instead of the variation we have now lets look at what we could make with the overheat function added in.

me and my buddy, a sentinel most times while I logi, almost always top the scoreboard when we play together. Granted, I'm #1 and he is #2 in WP, but that is to be expected, the result is that a sentinel is 2nd on the overall board (both teams). The point is that a heavy can EASILY be in the top of the WP board if they are willing to work with a logi. If you are trying to get the top WP score with a Sentinel solo, you are doing it wrong and it will likely never happen, so find a logi-buddy and earn together, it's the only way.

(to be fair, the difference between us can be pretty big, but the difference between him and the rest of the game is usually pretty big as well)

P.S. Make sure that you are sqd lead, and put the order on the logi repping you. You can then farm your own dmg and earn points for the effort of someone else, the logi's, work.

[quote=Fox Gaden]
Now currently I think 3 of these cause the most issues.

1.Team Spawn. The points you make from drop links is to high. unlike like triage points or kill assist which are alway helpful to the team. The Drop link can be both a blessing or a curse. It great when your team can spawn closer to the objective. However it can also cause your team to spawn into a death camp. I believe lower the War Points to 15 would be a good start(this is also one of the easiest way to drastically increase your war points without doing anything useful)

2. Triage points. 25 points is a solid spot for this.(don't hate me I am a Min logi) The problem I have is with the repair tools itself. it allows oneself to attach a leash to a friend to soak up points without much thought. I believe the repair tools needs to have an overheat function built into it. That way you would need to decide when and who to rep. This also allow more variations with in the repair tool line up. By varying the overheat we can change how long the tools is usable before a cool down is need. This also fixes a concern that it is the only equipment Item then can perma run an entire match. Instead of the variation we have now lets look at what we could make with the overheat function added in.

standard repair tool: this is your middle of the road.

Flux repair tools: lower hp/s then Standard higher range and slower overheat(takes longer before it overheats)

2 channel repair tool: can heal 2 people at once. Lower amount of hp healed before overheat then standard. When repping 2 people has higher hp/s healed then standard

breach repair tool: Very high hp/s with a very fast overheat. perfect for backing up a heavy or armor assault suit thats trying to breach the line.

Guardian points: If you healing someone and they kill a person why should you get 55 points to their 50. This is basically the same thing as a kill assist. Instead of buffing your team DPS you debuffed their effective DPS during the fight. I believe this should be a 10 point(like a headshot) or 15 point(like intel) bonus. I could see this being worth 25pts if the overheat mechanic was added to the repair tool.

Now for some war point bonuses we should add.

+10 points for killing an enemy hacking a null cannon
+5 points for killing an enemy hacking anything else.
+15 points for killing an enemy within 30 meters of your objective.(+10 on kill assist)
+10 points for killing an enemy within 30 meters of enemy objective(+5 on kill assist)
+## for absorbing x damage in x time( would really want to find number that limit this to heavy with some amount of reps mostly to encourage those them to do the breaching even if its only a basic rep tool on them)
+## for kill assist on support weapons. (sniper rifles, laser and MD etc should probably get a bonus to kill assist points. This will encourage them to be used as such and greatly benefit the Commandos as they are slow as well

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