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emtbraincase
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Posted - 2014.05.27 16:46:00 -
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me and my buddy, a sentinel most times while I logi, almost always top the scoreboard when we play together. Granted, I'm #1 and he is #2 in WP, but that is to be expected, the result is that a sentinel is 2nd on the overall board (both teams). The point is that a heavy can EASILY be in the top of the WP board if they are willing to work with a logi. If you are trying to get the top WP score with a Sentinel solo, you are doing it wrong and it will likely never happen, so find a logi-buddy and earn together, it's the only way.
(to be fair, the difference between us can be pretty big, but the difference between him and the rest of the game is usually pretty big as well)
P.S. Make sure that you are sqd lead, and put the order on the logi repping you. You can then farm your own dmg and earn points for the effort of someone else, the logi's, work. |
emtbraincase
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Posted - 2014.05.27 20:25:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:emtbraincase wrote:me and my buddy, a sentinel most times while I logi, almost always top the scoreboard when we play together. Granted, I'm #1 and he is #2 in WP, but that is to be expected, the result is that a sentinel is 2nd on the overall board (both teams). The point is that a heavy can EASILY be in the top of the WP board if they are willing to work with a logi. If you are trying to get the top WP score with a Sentinel solo, you are doing it wrong and it will likely never happen, so find a logi-buddy and earn together, it's the only way.
(to be fair, the difference between us can be pretty big, but the difference between him and the rest of the game is usually pretty big as well)
P.S. Make sure that you are sqd lead, and put the order on the logi repping you. You can then farm your own dmg and earn points for the effort of someone else, the logi's, work. Your argument is that Sentinels can make plenty of WP if the are the Squad lead, and any Sentinel who does not get to be squad lead can suck it? An Assault suit can make massive WP by putting the defend order on the Sentinel with the Logi healing him, and get massive WP. For that matter, a Logi can get massive additional WPGÇÖs by placing the defend order on another Logi in the squad who is repping a Sentinel. Basically any class can take Squad lead and reap massive WP off the backs of the Logi/Sentinel combo, and then get extra WP from the Orbital Strikes. So, yea, if a Sentinel is squad lead they can top the charts, but if a Sentinel is not squad lead they are second class citizens, simply there for Logi to exploit and yell at.
We are not always one of the squad leaders, but we regularly are the top 2 WP earners when together. I was saying that to show maximum benefits. I added it as a P.S. because it isn't required, but makes it easier. I regularly score higher than our squad lead, and so does my sent, it's just unfair when we have a sqd lead ourselves as well. |
emtbraincase
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:07:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:emtbraincase wrote:
We are not always one of the squad leaders, but we regularly are the top 2 WP earners when together. I was saying that to show maximum benefits. I added it as a P.S. because it isn't required, but makes it easier. I regularly score higher than our squad lead, and so does my sent, it's just unfair when we have a sqd lead ourselves as well.
EDIT/P.S.- It is very doable. you won't be top of the board, but you will be 2nd. Just run with a logi, regardless of who is sqd lead.
My argument was that you can be in the top 2-3 as long as you work with logi. Anything else was read into it by you.
So how many kills is your friend the Sentinel getting to get second on the score boards all the time? How many WP is he getting, and how is he earning those WP? How does the Caldari and Minmitar Sentinels work into this arrangement. Fox Gaden is level 5 Minmatar Sentinel, and level 4 Caldari Sentinel. Am I doing it wrong by not skilling into Gallente?
I generally get 1-3 kills and die from 0-8 times. He gets at least 25-40 kills a match and dies maybe 2-3 times. I get 2-5k WP, he gets 1.5-3k WP on average. Sometimes he beats me if he is sqd lead.
EDIT: ....and YES, if you are not Gallente you are doing it wrong if you want an HMG. 1250 armor is one helluva buffer. |
emtbraincase
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Posted - 2014.05.29 05:24:00 -
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shady merc wrote:[quote=Fox Gaden]
Now currently I think 3 of these cause the most issues.
1.Team Spawn. The points you make from drop links is to high. unlike like triage points or kill assist which are alway helpful to the team. The Drop link can be both a blessing or a curse. It great when your team can spawn closer to the objective. However it can also cause your team to spawn into a death camp. I believe lower the War Points to 15 would be a good start(this is also one of the easiest way to drastically increase your war points without doing anything useful)
2. Triage points. 25 points is a solid spot for this.(don't hate me I am a Min logi) The problem I have is with the repair tools itself. it allows oneself to attach a leash to a friend to soak up points without much thought. I believe the repair tools needs to have an overheat function built into it. That way you would need to decide when and who to rep. This also allow more variations with in the repair tool line up. By varying the overheat we can change how long the tools is usable before a cool down is need. This also fixes a concern that it is the only equipment Item then can perma run an entire match. Instead of the variation we have now lets look at what we could make with the overheat function added in.
standard repair tool: this is your middle of the road.
Flux repair tools: lower hp/s then Standard higher range and slower overheat(takes longer before it overheats)
2 channel repair tool: can heal 2 people at once. Lower amount of hp healed before overheat then standard. When repping 2 people has higher hp/s healed then standard
breach repair tool: Very high hp/s with a very fast overheat. perfect for backing up a heavy or armor assault suit thats trying to breach the line.
Guardian points: If you healing someone and they kill a person why should you get 55 points to their 50. This is basically the same thing as a kill assist. Instead of buffing your team DPS you debuffed their effective DPS during the fight. I believe this should be a 10 point(like a headshot) or 15 point(like intel) bonus. I could see this being worth 25pts if the overheat mechanic was added to the repair tool.
Now for some war point bonuses we should add.
+10 points for killing an enemy hacking a null cannon
+5 points for killing an enemy hacking anything else.
+15 points for killing an enemy within 30 meters of your objective.(+10 on kill assist)
+10 points for killing an enemy within 30 meters of enemy objective(+5 on kill assist)
+## for absorbing x damage in x time( would really want to find number that limit this to heavy with some amount of reps mostly to encourage those them to do the breaching even if its only a basic rep tool on them)
+## for kill assist on support weapons. (sniper rifles, laser and MD etc should probably get a bonus to kill assist points. This will encourage them to be used as such and greatly benefit the Commandos as they are slow as well
I edited for size, and here are my specific responses.
1) I agree, drop points to 15.
2) That is already built into the system as we speak. As a matter of fact, as far as WP goes, it is MUCH harsher than an "overheat". If you had done what you claim is possible, you would realize that after a short burst or WP gains from triage, ALL WP gains will be turned off for the logi except for a kill/assist. That includes resup, revives, and any triage from tools OR hives. I have spent more than 70% of a match getting no points for doing near constant rep to a buddy, go 0/0 with 12k+ healing given, and earn 3500-4k WP, or I can go 0/4 with 5-6k healing given and earn 5-6k+ WP. The reason is that my death actually resets my triage point counter, thus allowing me to keep the triage points flowing. If you see someone go 0/0 and STILL get over 5k, then they had a TON of stuff out at once that just cashed hard then shut off again. Trust me on this. Ask any good rep tool logi, you can earn 500-750 WP in 20-30 sec, but if you can do that, the points shut off for MUCH longer than it's on (like over a minute at least). Suit swaps don't fix it, only time or respawn.
As for the types, they already have those dual reppers (they also do less than their single counterpart and also differ in range and power infantry vs vehicles) and the main factor I've noticed most is what I call "spool up timer". The better the tool, the faster the rep starts counting as triage and how long before it quits giving WP and HP to the target.
Knowing this, do you think that triage still needs nerfing/adjusting? Seriously, I am punished for doing my job TOO WELL as it is, why take a thread where we can help a heavy learn how to get more WP and hijack it into a nerf logi (again) thread.
P.S. This game is over as far as client-side updates go. The only thing you can do is change the number, not the mechanics (I think). But regardless, any ideas like that need to be in Legion forums, since it is an impossibility for Dust.  |
emtbraincase
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Posted - 2014.05.30 19:17:00 -
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Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote:The key here is that rep tools are the king of WP farming and it could possibly be toned down, or other roles' WP bonuses increased proportionally. I am also pretty much being forced to use the rep tool as a Gal Logi because no one feels I am useful enough without it to use in PC battles.
The following response applies to anyone who is looking for, or advocating, any type of change to constant rep tool usage (not just quoted poster). Whether it be through reload, recharge, overheat, or whatever. The only argument against tools as they are now is the "apparently infinite WP farming" issue, which I have already addressed. I'm only gonna do this once more, as it has been explained by me and apparently ignored (due to lack of experience or knowledge with the topic of proto rep tool usage). So again, for them, I will refer you to post 27, #2 answer of this very thread regarding this very question.
If after acknowledging the situation mentioned above, you still think we should have something to nerf our WP earning as it is, then we can have that argument. If you want me run a tool for 1-2 minutes then put it up for 5, I can always switch to chasing peeps with hives and uplinks. Just prefer the direct help a tool provides, and so do the 1-2(+) armor users that I am nearby.
P.S. I edited the top of that quote I used in the related post Fox |
emtbraincase
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Posted - 2014.05.30 19:34:00 -
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Fox Gaden wrote:My intent in creating this thread was to bring Sentinels in line with Scouts and Assault suits as far as WP generation. It is really unfortunate that Logi and Logi haters have taken over this thread. As far as why Logi donGÇÖt think that Sentinels should make any more WP, I can only assume that Logi want to make Sentinels full dependent on Reps so that it is not profitable to run a Sentinel suit without Proto Logi support. I am starting to feel seriously exploited.
Several people got on here and told you they do exactly what you want, and do very well at it. I didn't realize it was possible unless a Calsent w/FG, but have been corrected by what they said. If you want more creative ways to earn WP, great, but don't think other suits wouldn't take advantage of it to the point of hilarity, I'm lookin at you scouts. Just realize anything that can earn sentinels more WP faster, is almost by necessity, something that pretty much everyone else can do as well, if not better, unless you are talking about a team of Heavy+Logi. |
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