2. If you kill a neutral, CONCORD pulls the plug and suicides your clone, drops your sec status, and imposes a suspect timer for the next x minutes (during which you can be killed by anyone). Basically, any of the Eve timers and flags and mechanics can be ported to Eve.

I've wanted this since forever.



This sounds like a good solution for controlling griefing in high-sec.

I'd like to know why this wasn't already implemented.

I've wanted this since forever.



This sounds like a good solution for controlling griefing in high-sec.

I'd like to know why this wasn't already implemented.

Because in EVE friendlies can't run out in front of your gun, or insist that on top of your grenade is absolutely the best place for them to stand - not all FF is the fault of the guy who did the killing.

I like this idea! And it's giving me some evil ideas...

For example. If I hire a bunch of people to fight with me, instead of paying them at the end I put a bullet in their brains!

Agreed, but make sure the unintentional death doesn't warrant a concorddoken.

One of the main draw cards of Eve is its different approach to player killing.

One of the great disappointments of Dust is its failure (or charitably, reluctance) to break from the mould of a generic lobby shooter.

Legion has the chance to avoid that.

From what I can gather so far, the 'even teams lobby' aspect has been removed in favour of a DayZ-style open world approach, nothing pleases me more. However, the thorny issue of friendly fire is something that must be considered.

I propose that friendly fire is always enabled in legion, with caveats.

Why?

1. It strongly differentiates Legion from generic lobby shooters
2. It aligns the game with other open-world sandbox games like DayZ
3. It further aligns the game with the Eve universe.
4. It opens up player interaction.

How would it work?

tldr; very much like Eve.

Each player has a security status from +5 to -10.

In null sec districts, anything goes, kill anyone you find without sec status change.

In low sec districts, killing people with low sec status, and whatever PvE content there is, will increase sec status. Killing anyone outside of your corporation lowers it. If you go on a murder spree, so be it, your sec status will tank.

In high sec, players with low sec status are forbidden from entering. Team killing (outside of corp mates) is frowned upon; a number of ways of modelling CONCORD control could be chosen:

1. Perhaps (direct-fire) weapons cannot fire when pointing at other players? (seems extreme)
2. If you kill a neutral, CONCORD pulls the plug and suicides your clone, drops your sec status, and imposes a suspect timer for the next x minutes (during which you can be killed by anyone). Basically, any of the Eve timers and flags and mechanics can be ported to Eve.

Thoughts?

I think it's important that we offer both FF and no FF gameplay. The latter being particularly important for newcomers to the game.

In MAG you could kill friend or foe.
And you could talk to both.

And its servers just shut down so using a failed game is proabably not a great example :-P

I think it's important that we offer both FF and no FF gameplay. The latter being particularly important for newcomers to the game.

I think it's important that we offer both FF and no FF gameplay. The latter being particularly important for newcomers to the game.

One of the main draw cards of Eve is its different approach to player killing.

One of the great disappointments of Dust is its failure (or charitably, reluctance) to break from the mould of a generic lobby shooter.

Legion has the chance to avoid that.

From what I can gather so far, the 'even teams lobby' aspect has been removed in favour of a DayZ-style open world approach, nothing pleases me more. However, the thorny issue of friendly fire is something that must be considered.

I propose that friendly fire is always enabled in legion, with caveats.

Why?

1. It strongly differentiates Legion from generic lobby shooters
2. It aligns the game with other open-world sandbox games like DayZ
3. It further aligns the game with the Eve universe.
4. It opens up player interaction.

How would it work?

tldr; very much like Eve.

Each player has a security status from +5 to -10.

In null sec districts, anything goes, kill anyone you find without sec status change.

In low sec districts, killing people with low sec status, and whatever PvE content there is, will increase sec status. Killing anyone outside of your corporation lowers it. If you go on a murder spree, so be it, your sec status will tank.

In high sec, players with low sec status are forbidden from entering. Team killing (outside of corp mates) is frowned upon; a number of ways of modelling CONCORD control could be chosen:

1. Perhaps (direct-fire) weapons cannot fire when pointing at other players? (seems extreme)
2. If you kill a neutral, CONCORD pulls the plug and suicides your clone, drops your sec status, and imposes a suspect timer for the next x minutes (during which you can be killed by anyone). Basically, any of the Eve timers and flags and mechanics can be ported to Eve.

Thoughts?

Oo long time no see :-P

Are you working on legion too?

Yes, he is I also agree with Wolfman here - I think it's important to offer both aspects of gameplay. 'High Sec' space should be less daunting to newbies!

friendly fire is on in HIsec in EVE, and it's pretty tame there.... unless you AFK in space. Then you're asking for it

Yes...but just because something works in EVE doesn't necessarily mean it would work in another game of a different genre and type. We don't want to encourage newbies to be griefed straight out of playing because of friendly fire happy trolls that can easily kill them!

Yes...but just because something works in EVE doesn't necessarily mean it would work in another game of a different genre and type. We don't want to encourage newbies to be griefed straight out of playing because of friendly fire happy trolls that can easily kill them!