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Haerr Legio DXIV 714	Posted - 2014.05.25 06:44:00 - [1] - Quote Old Table: Table for 1.8 New Table: Table for hotfix Alpha Gallente Scout 15% Profile Dampening bonus (Used to be 25%) Columns are: N = No Cloak Field S = Standard Cloak Field (0% Dampening Bonus, used to be 25%) A = Advanced Cloak Field (5% Dampening Bonus, used to be 25%) P = Prototype Cloak Field (10% Dampening Bonus, used to be 25%) Pale Green = 0 Complex Profile Dampeners Green = 1 Complex Profile Dampeners Cyan = 2 Complex Profile Dampeners Blue = 3 Complex Profile Dampeners Purple = 4 Complex Profile Dampeners Pink = 5 Complex Profile Dampeners Source: LINK I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
Leeroy Gannarsein Legio DXIV 282	Posted - 2014.05.25 08:13:00 - [2] - Quote Oh, come on guys. No comments yet? No-one complaining about how their scout is marginalised, or other people who use the marginalising scout telling them to HTFU? Poor show, community, poor show. MY ACTUAL NAME IS LORHAK It would seem like wisdom, but for the warning in my heart... CCP BLOWOUT FOR CPM1
I-Shayz-I I-----I 3458	Posted - 2014.05.25 09:31:00 - [3] - Quote https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/t8ZHO7mPv9lfszaZLSlbHBw/htmlview?pli=1#gid=0 ^ I had no idea CCP had made this. 7162 wp with a Repair Tool! List of Legion Feedback Threads!
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9918	Posted - 2014.05.25 10:39:00 - [4] - Quote Congratulations. Now to avoid being scanned by the Caldari we need 3x complex profile dampeners. ON EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED UNIT. While they can just appoint a scanner Caldari and see everyone who doesn't gimp themselves with damps. See the problem here? ^^@Do NOT with the dampening bonus after you've just ** the cloak bonus@^^ Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
m621 zma Seraphim Initiative.. 128	Posted - 2014.05.25 11:10:00 - [5] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Congratulations. Now to avoid being scanned by the Caldari we need 3x complex profile dampeners. ON EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED UNIT. While they can just appoint a scanner Caldari and see everyone who doesn't gimp themselves with damps. See the problem here? ^^@Do NOT with the dampening bonus after you've just ** the cloak bonus@^^ it is kinda ridiculous, I already run 2 (+ a cardiac reg and a mil plate) - guess i won't be doing so much running sigh
LudiKure ninda Bragian Order Amarr Empire 85	Posted - 2014.05.25 12:03:00 - [6] - Quote Thank you CCP for this nerf,..now I can finaly stop playn this game,and go to dark souls 2. Solo player.. SCAN ATTEMPT PREVENTED!
Ghost Kaisar The Last of DusT. General Tso's Alliance 4893	Posted - 2014.05.25 12:24:00 - [7] - Quote I don't think this will be as bad as we think. Remember, the Cal scout is getting a nerf to scan radius. They won't be able to cover vast swathes of the battlefield unless they totally dedicate their scout to eWAR. If they do, then they are a VERY weak scout in combat, and anyone with a good infantry will kill them. That, or you can just run a damped scout and make eliminating him your priority. Strategies will change, and I honestly can't wait to see how this plays out. Headed to Destiny, To Hell with CCP PSN: EVL_Elgost105 RIP Dust514 05/02/14 GG CCP

CCP Rattati C C P C C P Alliance 1764	Posted - 2014.05.25 12:25:00 - [8] - Quote Ghost Kaisar wrote: I don't think this will be as bad as we think. Remember, the Cal scout is getting a nerf to scan radius. They won't be able to cover vast swathes of the battlefield unless they totally dedicate their scout to eWAR. If they do, then they are a VERY weak scout in combat, and anyone with a good infantry will kill them. That, or you can just run a damped scout and make eliminating him your priority. Strategies will change, and I honestly can't wait to see how this plays out. That's the spirit "As well as stupid, Rattati is incredibly slow and accident-prone, and cannot even swim"

Himiko Kuronaga Fatal Absolution General Tso's Alliance 4257	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:09:00 - [9] - Quote I like this. I mean I still wont play the game anymore, but I do like the initiative. No suit should be completely unscannable. If someone is going to cripple their suits offensive capabilities to be a radar man, they should be able to do exactly that.
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 980	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:25:00 - [10] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Congratulations. Now to avoid being scanned by the Caldari we need 3x complex profile dampeners. ON EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED UNIT. While they can just appoint a scanner Caldari and see everyone who doesn't gimp themselves with damps. See the problem here? ^^@Do NOT with the dampening bonus after you've just ** the cloak bonus@^^ Apparently in this scenario the Cal scout is running at least 3 precision enhancers? That is not gimping itself? The Gallente have no real argument if the Caldari have to gimp themselves to find the Gal. Plus to have any success running the Caldari scout you are going to have to run range enhancers meaning you have very little tank and are weak in combat. Now the other scouts are screwed and have legitimate arguments, but not the Gal. The only difference is that the Cal will be better in a group because of shared passive scan. Just drop shared passive and I think we are solid in the Gal vs Cal argument.

Shutter Fly Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 408	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:39:00 - [11] - Quote Saw this just after I got done crunching some of the numbers myself, I'd say I'm...somewhat pacified. These numbers are about the best the balance could get under the current scanning system, but don't get my wrong, that's not saying much. The system itself is terribly flawed, so the best I was hoping for was the general vicinity of balance, and this seems to deliver that. So, I'm not exactly happy with it, but I understand that this is probably the best we're going to get without client updates.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 7597	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:40:00 - [12] - Quote So, an Amarr Scout, with a Proto Cloak active and two Complex Dampeners fit to the suit, will be able to get under a Caldari Scout with two Precision Enhancers and a Gallente Logi using Focused Scans? Or am I looking at the wrong color or something? New [self proclaimed] CEO of Fatal Absolution 31+ mil SP Scout/Heavy/Logi/ADS pilot for hire (free) in PC
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1030	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:49:00 - [13] - Quote Cal/Gal e-war will be better balanced after this change. The problem is active scanners. 3 complex dampeners, here I come!
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 788	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:50:00 - [14] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Congratulations. Now to avoid being scanned by the Caldari we need 3x complex profile dampeners. ON EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED UNIT. While they can just appoint a scanner Caldari and see everyone who doesn't gimp themselves with damps. See the problem here? ^^@Do NOT with the dampening bonus after you've just ** the cloak bonus@^^ Beat me up if you like and yes I do not spend a great time playing scout but I do have scout related skill set tools to level four in most areas , but anyway ... I think this is a great thing and kills the discussion about who is a scout and not just looking for a quick exploit meaning FOTM . Now EVERY scout has to make a choice of what .. if anything , they are willing to sacrifice and or what kind of scout they will play .. instead of a bricked out cloaked , proto gear wearing player that has a far greater advantage over every other player on the field regardless of role or class . This is causing one to make choices so now we will actually see who the real scouts are and who just seen all of the praise that these suits were getting and decided to give it a shot , oh yeah ... skill into shotguns as well to make it more easier . I didn't have a problem with cloaks , besides the fact that you could get off shots while cloaked . Now I will see scouts and not just pretenders .. or better yet I will see the light assault players and who plays scouts now . Just to mention , the Caldari scout ( I have them and use them but I don't play exclusive scout ) had to sacrifice a lot to see a Gal scout ... I'm not complaining but to speak to a point , while the Gal scout had far more options and was by far the most versatile scout and now with these changes .. it will even the playing field . I think this shows that they are listening to the community without letting the community dictate the direction of the game because these are needed changes , now if they can just fix the stats of the basic Caldari heavies along with some vehicle damage mod changes and a refund of at least infantry SP's then ... that would be spot on . Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2654	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:54:00 - [15] - Quote The dampning on the cloak should've just disappear completely. Perhaps the Gallente Scout bonus WAS too good, though. We could've dodge anything while having 1 ENH and 1 CPX dampner on. If Caldari Scout has 1 CPX precision and Gallente Scout has 0 dampners, the Caldari SHOULD scan him, but if the Gallente has a dampner of the same tier, he should be invisible. That's balance. Both races have to be on equal footing. And let's be honest: have you ever seen a Caldari Scout with precision mods? I haven't.
Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui The Honor of the Fallen Biomassed. 788	Posted - 2014.05.25 13:59:00 - [16] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Just drop shared passive and I think we are solid in the Gal vs Cal argument. They are not that great to begin with and now you want to kill the ONLY REAL reason to use or have these suits . Bad idea to me and I don't even play scout . Just sound bad . -1 Stop Tact Striking and come and get this Null Cannon with your GUNS you scrubs .
Flyingconejo KILL-EM-QUICK RISE of LEGION 1030	Posted - 2014.05.25 14:03:00 - [17] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: So, an Amarr Scout, with a Proto Cloak active and two Complex Dampeners fit to the suit, will be able to get under a Caldari Scout with two Precision Enhancers and a Gallente Logi using Focused Scans? Or am I looking at the wrong color or something? Yes for the Caldari Scout, no for the Gallente Logi. If scanning is equal to profile, scanning wins. To evade a Gallente Logi with a Focused Scanner you need 3 dampeners and the proto cloak in an Amarr suit.
Patrick57 Fatal Absolution 7597	Posted - 2014.05.25 14:11:00 - [18] - Quote Flyingconejo wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So, an Amarr Scout, with a Proto Cloak active and two Complex Dampeners fit to the suit, will be able to get under a Caldari Scout with two Precision Enhancers and a Gallente Logi using Focused Scans? Or am I looking at the wrong color or something? Yes for the Caldari Scout, no for the Gallente Logi. If scanning is equal to profile, scanning wins. To evade a Gallente Logi with a Focused Scanner you need 3 dampeners and the proto cloak in an Amarr suit. Thanks for that, I was reading the table wrong. Anyway, I know what my new fit will be! New [self proclaimed] CEO of Fatal Absolution 31+ mil SP Scout/Heavy/Logi/ADS pilot for hire (free) in PC
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2656	Posted - 2014.05.25 14:18:00 - [19] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: Flyingconejo wrote: Patrick57 wrote: So, an Amarr Scout, with a Proto Cloak active and two Complex Dampeners fit to the suit, will be able to get under a Caldari Scout with two Precision Enhancers and a Gallente Logi using Focused Scans? Or am I looking at the wrong color or something? Yes for the Caldari Scout, no for the Gallente Logi. If scanning is equal to profile, scanning wins. To evade a Gallente Logi with a Focused Scanner you need 3 dampeners and the proto cloak in an Amarr suit. Thanks for that, I was reading the table wrong. Anyway, I know what my new fit will be! A Gallente Scout knockoff? Lol
Poultryge1st Da Short Buss RISE of LEGION 86	Posted - 2014.05.25 14:32:00 - [20] - Quote Haerr wrote: Old Table: Table for 1.8 New Table: Table for hotfix Alpha Gallente Scout 15% Profile Dampening bonus (Used to be 25%) Columns are: N = No Cloak Field S = Standard Cloak Field (0% Dampening Bonus, used to be 25%) A = Advanced Cloak Field (5% Dampening Bonus, used to be 25%) P = Prototype Cloak Field (10% Dampening Bonus, used to be 25%) Pale Green = 0 Complex Profile Dampeners Green = 1 Complex Profile Dampeners Cyan = 2 Complex Profile Dampeners Blue = 3 Complex Profile Dampeners Purple = 4 Complex Profile Dampeners Pink = 5 Complex Profile Dampeners Source: LINK Thanks the great post, man! You just saved me from having to figure out the math myself.

Thor Odinson42 Molon Labe. General Tso's Alliance 3970	Posted - 2014.05.25 15:20:00 - [21] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Congratulations. Now to avoid being scanned by the Caldari we need 3x complex profile dampeners. ON EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED UNIT. While they can just appoint a scanner Caldari and see everyone who doesn't gimp themselves with damps. See the problem here? ^^@Do NOT with the dampening bonus after you've just ** the cloak bonus@^^ I love this when I remember you talking about the Calogi back in the day. I got a bit of a stiffy thinking about your tears welling up. Level 3 Forum Warrior PSN: wbrom42
End is Near Isuuaya Tactical Caldari State 86	Posted - 2014.05.25 16:07:00 - [22] - Quote Leeroy Gannarsein wrote: Oh, come on guys. No comments yet? No-one complaining about how their scout is marginalised, or other people who use the marginalising scout telling them to HTFU? Poor show, community, poor show. LMAO..... I HATE you scrubby scouts....
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 175	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:21:00 - [23] - Quote CCP Rattati wrote: Ghost Kaisar wrote: I don't think this will be as bad as we think. Remember, the Cal scout is getting a nerf to scan radius. They won't be able to cover vast swathes of the battlefield unless they totally dedicate their scout to eWAR. If they do, then they are a VERY weak scout in combat, and anyone with a good infantry will kill them. That, or you can just run a damped scout and make eliminating him your priority. Strategies will change, and I honestly can't wait to see how this plays out. That's the spirit Exactly! I mean I know it's a stretch, but how bout we all...... wait for it..... FIGHT STRAIGHT UP NO GIMMICKS! "What are you some kind of noob", said the proto stomping exploiter with a mean look on his face! "No not at all", l said! "Well how do you expect me to play as a scout if it's not COMPLETELY easy, and it now actually requires skill to do?" Said the very angry skill less exploiter?! And I say to you all who have went fotm once again, and now face the nurf bat..... stop exploiting fotm, stop specing into every new gimmick, and stop expecting to gain the "I win button"!!!! Sounds like your gonna have to scout in groups of two. "What's this? Groups?" said the, now enraged, proto stomping, fotm using, exploiter of gimmicks extraordinaire?! Well you have a number of ways to do this, and still run your scouts to a high level of efficiency my good man! 1. scout sniper(Gallente)/speed-hack scout(minmatar) Intel and Recon One scout can hide in a nearby location (Gal/scout sniper) searching for the area, gathering intel, and taking down important targets! While the speed-hack min/scout uses his sprint speed and hack speed to go in, cloaked or uncloaked, with nova knives, uplinks, and a trusty shotgun to get the rest of his team on target to the location. you know, the actual assault players(not the scout), the heavies, and logistics guys who can then come in to do their jobs! The scout sniper can also stay hidden well (with it's crazy profile dampening that everyone wants to complain about), and hit the defending heavies and logis. He can soften their shields and draw their attention while the speed-hack scout takes the CRU and drops two uplinks to get his fighters on target and started attacking. The scout sniper will receive assist and/or kills, if he's within range for a flux version scanner he will receive intel assist, and all while out of range for retaliation as he is very hard to detect! The speed-hack scout will rack up severely on points by hacking, dropping links and ammo, and as a last resort firing and dispatching his enemy! 2. Watchtower scout(Caldari)/Defender Heavy(Gallente)/Executioner Commando(Caldari)/DOC logi(Minmatar) Immovable Object "So you say as a scout I can play well with others?" said the somewhat confused C.O.D. player looking for something easy, and calling it skill. Yes! There is hope for you Caldari scout! In the form of Intel points running any scanner with your scan precision abilities, and kills and assist running your main battle rifle( Rail Rifle) or also a Caldari weapon(Sniper rifle). What you are built for is range and precision, not attacking heavies head on! Hence why the entire community keeps saying that it is an exploitation! Everyone else in the game is doing their respective jobs in their own way. How about you do yours! I could go on all day with how the scouts, and all roles really, could be setup to support other roles and themselves. That's just it though! CCP has to make this game role specific again, and attract more team-tactical strategic players instead of the ever so ******, parent money spending, C.O.D. players?! Who, by the way, have bought every version of C.O.D. just to do the exact same ** differently?! If you want to attract those mindless knobs for revenue purposes create a game they can play that requires little effort, coordination, and teamwork?! They'll flock in droves I've seen it lol! CCP Rattati has the right idea about this game, and finally someone is going for balance! Now when I say balance, I don't mean same everything?! I mean advantage, disadvantage! Let the players choose what strengths to use to their advantage, while at the same time if they aren't playing away from their weaknesses they get educated! Example: Amarr assault w/ laser rifle/Scrambler rifle and uplinks. High shield regen and dmg mod in high slots, and range amp and speed/stamina mods in low slots. Advantages: range weapons and uplink spawn speed. keeps the enemy at bay while his team spwans safely for the assault. Gets points by uplinks and kills/assist. Disadvantages: Enemy closing the distance with flux grenades, plasma weapons (assault rifles and shotguns), and flux grenade/projectile weapon combo. Some of you have simply missed the point of why there are roles, and like they said ^^^ further up! D3ATH CARD! "Anybody order chaos?"
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 983	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:34:00 - [24] - Quote Shinobi MumyoSakanagare ZaShigurui wrote: Galvan Nized wrote: Just drop shared passive and I think we are solid in the Gal vs Cal argument. They are not that great to begin with and now you want to kill the ONLY REAL reason to use or have these suits . Bad idea to me and I don't even play scout . Just sound bad . -1 I've never been a fan of shared passive, always seemed like that was stepping on the toes of active scanners. That is NOT the reason you use the Cal suit, you use it to see your opponent. You should have to verbally communicate with your squad to indicate enemy position. This would go a long way in balancing active scanners too.
Tweaksz Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 106	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:45:00 - [25] - Quote Looks like I bought Dark Souls 2 just in time. Pill Popping Madness!
Louis Domi Pradox One Proficiency V. 295	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:47:00 - [26] - Quote Patrick57 wrote: So, an Amarr Scout, with a Proto Cloak active and two Complex Dampeners fit to the suit, will be able to get under a Caldari Scout with two Precision Enhancers and a Gallente Logi using Focused Scans? Or am I looking at the wrong color or something? Why would amarr use the suit like that? Thought they were light assualts? Atleast every single amarr I've been up against were armor tanking like no ones business...
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 175	Posted - 2014.05.25 17:56:00 - [27] - Quote Tweaksz wrote: Looks like I bought Dark Souls 2 just in time. The more C.O.D. players that leave the better. Not insulting your intelligence here by any means, but let's face it. The scouts were OP day one of 1.8, and have sense been exploited to no end?! This will make them play their actual roles instead of just swarming the map with little speedy tanked demons, and camping spawn points for kills?! You guys had your fun, but now that madness has to stop! If the only way a player can do well is by exploitation of fotm, and camping I think the entire community will be in agreement that he is indeed lacking in the strategy, teamwork, and leadership departments?! But, thank you for your input to the forums as everyone's opinions should be respected "Anybody order chaos?"
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9935	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:32:00 - [28] - Quote Galvan Nized wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Congratulations. Now to avoid being scanned by the Caldari we need 3x complex profile dampeners. ON EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED UNIT. While they can just appoint a scanner Caldari and see everyone who doesn't gimp themselves with damps. See the problem here? ^^@Do NOT with the dampening bonus after you've just ** the cloak bonus@^^ Apparently in this scenario the Cal scout is running at least 3 precision enhancers? That is not gimping itself? The Gallente have no real argument if the Caldari have to gimp themselves to find the Gal. Plus to have any success running the Caldari scout you are going to have to run range enhancers meaning you have very little tank and are weak in combat. Now the other scouts are screwed and have legitimate arguments, but not the Gal. The only difference is that the Cal will be better in a group because of shared passive scan. Just drop shared passive and I think we are solid in the Gal vs Cal argument. You need ONE Cal to gimp itself for a squad. You need an entire team to gimp itself to hide. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Cat Merc Ahrendee Mercenaries 9935	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:34:00 - [29] - Quote Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Congratulations. Now to avoid being scanned by the Caldari we need 3x complex profile dampeners. ON EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED UNIT. While they can just appoint a scanner Caldari and see everyone who doesn't gimp themselves with damps. See the problem here? ^^@Do NOT with the dampening bonus after you've just ** the cloak bonus@^^ I love this when I remember you talking about the Calogi back in the day. I got a bit of a stiffy thinking about your tears welling up. These aren't tears. I have every Gallente suit, and have enough SP to skill into whatever Caldari Suit. If CCP fucks up, I am ready :3 This is me caring about the balance, unlike selfish logis who wanted EVERYTHING because they're logis. Feline overlord of all humans - CAT MERC
Bradric Banewolf D3ATH CARD 175	Posted - 2014.05.25 18:36:00 - [30] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Thor Odinson42 wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Congratulations. Now to avoid being scanned by the Caldari we need 3x complex profile dampeners. ON EVERY SINGLE GOD DAMNED UNIT. While they can just appoint a scanner Caldari and see everyone who doesn't gimp themselves with damps. See the problem here? ^^@Do NOT with the dampening bonus after you've just ** the cloak bonus@^^ I love this when I remember you talking about the Calogi back in the day. I got a bit of a stiffy thinking about your tears welling up. These aren't tears. I have every Gallente suit, and have enough SP to skill into whatever Caldari Suit. If CCP fucks up, I am ready :3 This is me caring about the balance, unlike selfish logis who wanted EVERYTHING because they're logis. Oooooooooooooooooooh!!!!! He say he bout that life bro!!!! "Anybody order chaos?"



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