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Haerr
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.25 06:44:00 -
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Old Table: Table for 1.8
New Table: Table for hotfix Alpha
Gallente Scout 15% Profile Dampening bonus (Used to be 25%)
Columns are:
N = No Cloak Field
S = Standard Cloak Field (0% Dampening Bonus, used to be 25%)
A = Advanced Cloak Field (5% Dampening Bonus, used to be 25%)
P = Prototype Cloak Field (10% Dampening Bonus, used to be 25%)
Pale Green = 0 Complex Profile Dampeners
Green = 1 Complex Profile Dampeners
Cyan = 2 Complex Profile Dampeners
Blue = 3 Complex Profile Dampeners
Purple = 4 Complex Profile Dampeners
Pink = 5 Complex Profile Dampeners
Source: LINK
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.26 10:19:00 -
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Jebus McKing wrote:I am absolutely disgusted by the current 'EWAR' system in DUST. You only have 2 options right now:
- Be a scout with lots of dampeners.
- Be perma scanned and expect to be shot every second because of that ******* chevron right above your head.
Remove the damn chevrons from TacNet, remove directional arrows from the minimap. This wallhack-like BS has to stop.
You are right about about the lack of nuances being a problem. Not scanned / scanned with the Cloak Fields dampening effect being the only modifier leaves us with an overly simplistic system.
Remove chevron from the TacNet while not in line of sight.
Remove directional arrows from the minimap while not in line of sight.
Sounds more fair to me
There are ways of making the current system more interesting without getting to hung up on EVE: Legion.
Modifiers could be added as bonus and penalties to range, precision and profile on different modules / equipment (variants).
I am not sure of whether or not the current mechanics support having modifiers on weapons or actions. But with the Silenced MagSec it seems like it is at least being considered.
Having a scan time to be detected would also be a nice addition. (You have to remain for ~X.X [depending on much of a difference between precision and profile there is] secs in range of a scan to be detected.)
Adding falloff to precision would also be a great addition.
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
730
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Posted - 2014.05.26 10:38:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:Shutter Fly wrote:Saw this just after I got done crunching some of the numbers myself, I'd say I'm...somewhat pacified.
These numbers are about the best the balance could get under the current scanning system, but don't get my wrong, that's not saying much. The system itself is terribly flawed, so the best I was hoping for was the general vicinity of balance, and this seems to deliver that.
So, I'm not exactly happy with it, but I understand that this is probably the best we're going to get without client updates. We are very happy to hear that
What would you think of adding a variant of the Cloak Field that has a higher dampening effect but a penalty to scan precision and scan range?
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
730
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Posted - 2014.05.26 10:55:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:*snip*But this isn't happening right now, if ever  That is okay for Dust but surely there is still time to do something like that for Legion?
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.27 21:03:00 -
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CCP Rattati wrote:SirManBoy wrote:The cry baby scouts in this thread who are threatening to leave the game are hilarious. You guys do realize that you've been on easy street, right? Seriously, your cloaking and dampening BS turned this game into a sequel to Predator. Get over yourselves. To the real scouts out there who understand that this game needs to remain balanced for it to be fair and fun for everyone, thank you for your understanding and maturity. It's nice to see things come closer to being in line with the EWAR proposal I posted more than a month ago. SirManBoy's EWAR Proposal SMB, it certainly was impressive and Haerr's spreadsheet just makes my day, along with Ghaz crunching numbers on the PLC comparison. It's inspiring to see the community be so dedicated.
Hey thanks man! btw I would like to suggest 0-7.5-15 for STD-ADV-PRO Cloak fields. 
Updated OP with:
Auto sorting & auto colouring scan table.
User guide:
- Make a copy of it.
- Approve the script to run before changing things.
- Tools -> Script editorGǪ -> Run
- Go to the 'input' sheet.
- Change a number that has a black background.
- Go to the 'table' sheet and check out what happened.
Notes:
- The sheet names are used in the script so if you change their names you will break the script.
Google Docs: LINK
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
750
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Posted - 2014.05.28 17:40:00 -
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I made a misstake in how the game handles rounding - the tables have been updated so if you have download them just refresh them from the links.
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.28 19:18:00 -
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Xx-VxF-xX wrote:Haerr wrote:I made a misstake in how the game handles rounding - the tables have been updated so if you have download them just refresh them from the links.
Edit1: Oh and I introduced a bug when I redid the table for hotfix alpha, it's been fixed so if you already made a copy of the google docs spreadsheet just go to the link and make a new copy. Is this updated with your/new hotfix alpha finale proposal 0-7.5-15?Nice Job. 
It is with 0-5-10, the difference you are seeing is from using round instead of roundup.
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
758
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Posted - 2014.05.29 08:06:00 -
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Updated the google docs:
* Added the possibility to put a bonus on efficacy to Precision Enhancers for Cal Scout
* Added the possibility to put a bonus on efficacy to Profile Dampeners for Gal Scout
(Previously fixed:)
(* Changed ROUNDUP to ROUND)
(* ADV & PRO cloaks used their own bonus + the one to STD cloaks)
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.05.30 14:55:00 -
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voidfaction wrote:Haerr wrote:Updated the google docs:
* Added the possibility to put a bonus on efficacy to Precision Enhancers for Cal Scout
* Added the possibility to put a bonus on efficacy to Profile Dampeners for Gal Scout
(Previously fixed:)
(* Changed ROUNDUP to ROUND)
(* ADV & PRO cloaks used their own bonus + the one to STD cloaks) bonus to efficacy on precision / profile mods? Not that i'm against the idea if you mean the scout bonuses changing to give efficacy to mods vs the flat bonus we get now. I don't think the assault scouts would like it, lol Added it for those who wanted to play with it. Figured why not, since it was a simple copy&paste + find&replace.
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
768
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Posted - 2014.06.07 16:41:00 -
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Updated the OP with a legend because of reasons.
I have Plasma Cannon Proficiency V, no jk.
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Haerr
Legio DXIV
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Posted - 2014.06.10 09:50:00 -
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Updated the tables with:
Added heavy-5cPEs, scout4,5cPEs, calscout5cPEs.
Updated the google docs with:
Added table_2 sheet which displays more numbers. (The background colour is still fixed to how many dampeners it would require to hide in game from the scanners.) |
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