First bravo on the input-action of this thread



Whether this is the intended goal or not, this in particular hurts caldari and minmatar scouts and majorly buffs gallente and slightly buffs amarr.

I can already tell you the meta.

Cal scouts barely had the ability to hide and only for a little bit, with that being removed, I'd suspect any dampening on the cal scout will be inferior to just plating or range extenders. The min scout has the unfortunate side effect of having relatively few low slots with a low slot specialization , I suspect its going to suffer the same problem amarr scouts pre alpha patch in that the gallente just do it better (or on the same level with more utility) based entirely on reduction vs booting stat modules effects and that dampening is a competitive stat (against precision) and hacking is not, which just leaves NKing which is extremely niche.

OMG! This is ******* AWESOME. I just did a cursory look at things like the AR/CR/PC changes/AV/ARMOR TANKING/CLOAK CHANGES **** and it all good AMAZING!

OMFG!

SO ******* BEAUTIFUL!

I am a forum rat so I know that these issues and solutions were well discussed on the forums, so good job with that. I would give my stamp of approval on most of the changes. The one I have the most issue with is changes to the small rail turret.

One of the biggest problems in the game is how effective HAV is against infantry, making a small turret even more effective against infantry can break this game. You could run a railgun or missile turret to fight vehicles and then have someone on a small rail turret slaughtering infantry, a tank wouldn't have to give up anything and it would be almost invulnerable. The result of this change would be to tilt IAV/vehicle balance even further in the vehicles favor. You make IAV weapons that are only effectuve against vehicles and you force IAV players to make a choice, why don't you make weapobs in vehicles strictly anti-vehicle and force them to make a choice?

I disagree, psychology will win the day here and tankers tend not to use team work/extra turrets

Large turret dispersion? It may be a nerf on range but won't it also be like buffing their splash damage and reducing the need to aim?

It'll be harder to hit things at long range due to decreased accuracy

Passive ISK needs to end because if its effect in all parts of the game. PC should be a zero sum game, ISK for the winners being taken from the losers. The advantage for the holders of the district is they have to contribute less to the pot, 66-34%. Otherwise you are just going to have fake attacks and more farming. In Legion you should design it that way with tiered districts. One district being the most valuable and every other district having different values. This leads to a type of tournament, no one wants to hold many districts, they all want to hold the best one, or the best one they can defend.

I dunno here, honestly the math is the important thing in PC, I want to see numbers before anything

I'll address cloaking and scouts in the thread made for it. Overall a good job and the ideas players have asked for.

I love everything but the clone pack thing. I'll never understand why people think those prices being high is a good thing. But I guess we'll just have to see how it plays out.

I really, really wish they'd look at seeing what would happen if they made the battles spin up sooner. ESPECIALLY with the state of the game right now. A corporation might have a bunch of people on for a Friday night. They are all like, HEY LETS ATTACK SOMETHING. Then when the battle is set to occur they have 10 people online.

Please kill it off entirely.
It's the most disgusting mechanic.

Dropsuits
GÇóWe will do a normalizing pass on PG/CPU on a few dropsuits; Sentinels in general have a lot of PG/CPU and Basic Heavies are a little out of sync. However, this likely wonGÇÿt make it into Hotfix Alpha because it warrants a deeper dive.

Sentinels
GÇóWeGÇÿre hoping changes to plates will help encourage other playstyles than Gallente Sentinels, as well as the eventual CPU/PG changes to make Sentinels actually have to pick what they want to fit, rather than throwing it all on without worrying.

Can't nerf pilot intelligence. Bring it on.

I don't get the decision to increase clones in a pack and increase clone count. The problem as far as I've seen it as that clone packs are too expensive AND sell too little clones. Should be the same price or cheaper for more clones, to help more corps get into PC. More expensive packs isn't going to help anyone

Actually, the slowdown effect was discussed at length today. We hope to have an update on that pretty soon.

Finally, to be as transparent and forthcoming with information as possible

I hope this doesn't mess up my speedy Minmatar Heavy, finally found my favorite heavy and setup, sacrificing hitpoints for speed and a lethal HMG... be gentle with the Min Heavy CCP, its fragile enough compared to other heavies, no need to cripple it with a overnerf of CPU/PG....

the cloak changes are unnecessary and by doing so u gimp the other 3 suits that arnt galente

High Prices need to be added if payout is increased to prevent locking for profit

Says a guy who probably carried a .16 KDR before cloaks.

Cloak changes are needed. Invisible guys should not be able to shoot, period!

my kdr has no bearing on me not wanting cloak changes, cloak changes arenot necessary because the arnt a problem at all by removing the damp from cloaks u will be gimping the 3 suits that are not gallente, the gallente will still dodge active ad passive scans and now the other 3 wont have a chance.

also shooting while cloaked is not an issue either because as soon as you swap to your weapon you make a fairly loud noise on top of becoming completely visible, i dont know about you but i dont let cloaked people that close to me , i shoot more cloaked people than shoot me thats a fact, just because you think your invisible dosnt mean you are. if u are gitting murked by cloaked dudes u need to upgrade your situational awareness skill irl or maby get some glasses because u sir suk

Oh, I understand that part. But wouldn't the lowering of the passive income make locking irrelevant? Cheap clone packs with larger amounts of clones on top of higher payouts for fighting basically makes the territory itself a nonfactor. I don't think we have the participation levels nor a large enough sandbox for a territorial conquest mode. I just want to see team deploy more available for everyone.

Basically the price per clone in a clone pack will always have to exceed whatever the biomass price is. Right now clones in a clone pack cost 300k each, so the maximum price that biomass could be set to is under 300k. If biomass exceeds price per clone in a clone pack then you could make ISK appear out of thin air by attacking yourself with a clone pack and killing the clones off.

The end result is as biomass payout rises the price per clone in a clone pack has to increase as well.

You know that the large blaster out ranges the swarm lock... why would you wait to reduce blaster range...it is ridiculous.