Swarms have needed a speed buff for forever, and im still pretty sure their damage isnt fully applying to dropships. Anything lower than maxed out, damage modded swarms barely even begin to tickle my incubus :/ granted if you made them faster and shoot farther that may be ok, since much more of the field becomes a danger, but as is, swarms are certainly a joke

How about we introduce a swarm launcher that explodes in the player's hand as punishment for not doing their goddamn job and taking the city?

I think it would go a long way in teaching new players their proper role as infantry peasants. You can even make it part of the NPE!

This is just me spit balling an idea in my head, but what would you think of a slightly lower damage than base (I think we need to look at base swarm damage anyway, so it might be higher than current numbers) swarms that are faster and have more range (maybe different physical impulse, not sure on that one)? Basically a swarm type that's more geared to taking out LAVs and Dropships rather than tanks, or at the very least being more effective at creating a danger zone for them.

Like I said, I think we need to look at the base damage numbers anyway, and these new variants would be based off the new base damage numbers, not current damage numbers. So think a lower damage version of a balanced swarm launcher with faster and longer range missiles. Maybe a bigger explosion radius and more splash damage would help with hitting dropships?

We call that the Locus Grenade when people forget to throw it.

Like I said, I think we need to look at the base damage numbers anyway, and these new variants would be based off the new base damage numbers, not current damage numbers. So think a lower damage version of a balanced swarm launcher with faster and longer range missiles. Maybe a bigger explosion radius and more splash damage would help with hitting dropships?

This is just me spit balling an idea in my head, but what would you think of a slightly lower damage than base (I think we need to look at base swarm damage anyway, so it might be higher than current numbers) swarms that are faster and have more range (maybe different physical impulse, not sure on that one)? Basically a swarm type that's more geared to taking out LAVs and Dropships rather than tanks, or at the very least being more effective at creating a danger zone for them.

This is just me spit balling an idea in my head, but what would you think of a slightly lower damage than base (I think we need to look at base swarm damage anyway, so it might be higher than current numbers) swarms that are faster and have more range (maybe different physical impulse, not sure on that one)? Basically a swarm type that's more geared to taking out LAVs and Dropships rather than tanks, or at the very least being more effective at creating a danger zone for them.

This is just me spit balling an idea in my head, but what would you think of a slightly lower damage than base (I think we need to look at base swarm damage anyway, so it might be higher than current numbers) swarms that are faster and have more range (maybe different physical impulse, not sure on that one)? Basically a swarm type that's more geared to taking out LAVs and Dropships rather than tanks, or at the very least being more effective at creating a danger zone for them.

Why should a dropship die to swarms, they're like, light AV, and dropships are medium air vehicles. Light AV should never be able to kill medium vehicles.

Also, infantry being able to kill vehicles would be ridiculous.


EDIT: To clarify for those people taking this seriously this is not genuinely what I think. This is a joke.
Please refrain from going on about how I'm a 'biased dropship pilot'.

This is just me spit balling an idea in my head, but what would you think of a slightly lower damage than base (I think we need to look at base swarm damage anyway, so it might be higher than current numbers) swarms that are faster and have more range (maybe different physical impulse, not sure on that one)? Basically a swarm type that's more geared to taking out LAVs and Dropships rather than tanks, or at the very least being more effective at creating a danger zone for them.

If you do that please make at least 2 variants of ads like tanks, first and foremost the python gets lots of knockback not only from swarms but from touching anything... Mind the dropship value vs swarm and also the fact that how we see our targets like very minuscule from the dropship if not full close to target, if we cannot be within 75 m of target in an ads we shoot blind, in fact there is nothing in dust that is more blind shoot than ads missiles, see judge radamanthus swarm video for better explenations.

Like I said, I think we need to look at the base damage numbers anyway, and these new variants would be based off the new base damage numbers, not current damage numbers. So think a lower damage version of a balanced swarm launcher with faster and longer range missiles. Maybe a bigger explosion radius and more splash damage would help with hitting dropships?

This is just me spit balling an idea in my head, but what would you think of a slightly lower damage than base (I think we need to look at base swarm damage anyway, so it might be higher than current numbers) swarms that are faster and have more range (maybe different physical impulse, not sure on that one)? Basically a swarm type that's more geared to taking out LAVs and Dropships rather than tanks, or at the very least being more effective at creating a danger zone for them.

That would work well in Legion I'd imagine. Now if only we could fix Dust swarms...

Like I said, I think we need to look at the base damage numbers anyway, and these new variants would be based off the new base damage numbers, not current damage numbers. So think a lower damage version of a balanced swarm launcher with faster and longer range missiles. Maybe a bigger explosion radius and more splash damage would help with hitting dropships?

Ever seen a heavy bomber or fighter jet survive a hit from a missile idiot? That's about as stupied as saying a scout shouldn't be able to kill a heavy. Aircraft is lightly armored or it wouldn't fly. And I've hit YOUR ADS with a proto forge gun with 3 damage mods at close range and you still had all your armor and flew away... 3-4 indirect hits from your missile and my heavy is dead? Your a good pilot but that's complete b.s.

3-4 indirect hits... when the Sentinel skill reduces splash damage by 25% at level 5... please don't use false numbers. Also, why were you in the open long enough to get shot and killed by him? It's understandable if you get killed by infantry when trying to kill him, but you should really try to be more aware of your surroundings. Also, pro tip, being a pilot myself helps considerably in knowing how a ADS functions and how they should be dealt with. Know thy enemy... To stand in the open long enough to get killed by 3-4 missiles requires about 2-3 seconds per missile to just fire, unless that pilot was 1) Using a Python 2) Has the Python skill maxed out, which increased missile rate of fire, which isn't OP, as it requires the same amount of sp as a proto suit (x8 skill multiplier).

Think I need to start a AV school, but considering the state of Dust right now... yea.

This is just me spit balling an idea in my head, but what would you think of a slightly lower damage than base (I think we need to look at base swarm damage anyway, so it might be higher than current numbers) swarms that are faster and have more range (maybe different physical impulse, not sure on that one)? Basically a swarm type that's more geared to taking out LAVs and Dropships rather than tanks, or at the very least being more effective at creating a danger zone for them.

So, a more 'KInetic damage" based swarm launcher as opposed to the more "Explosive Damage" one we have now?

This would be interesting. Would the "kinetic" variant cause greater disorientation to the dropship than the explosive variant or the other way around? (would the dropship get pushed around more / lose control)

It's a good idea, but... if you buff AV you need to eliminate vehicle to vehicle collision damage, then there will be no more jihad jeeps and no more (i hate them more than anyone else) dropship rammers.

There's no reason why two big bits of metal smashing into each other wouldn't cause damage.

This is just me spit balling an idea in my head, but what would you think of a slightly lower damage than base (I think we need to look at base swarm damage anyway, so it might be higher than current numbers) swarms that are faster and have more range (maybe different physical impulse, not sure on that one)? Basically a swarm type that's more geared to taking out LAVs and Dropships rather than tanks, or at the very least being more effective at creating a danger zone for them.

This is just me spit balling an idea in my head, but what would you think of a slightly lower damage than base (I think we need to look at base swarm damage anyway, so it might be higher than current numbers) swarms that are faster and have more range (maybe different physical impulse, not sure on that one)? Basically a swarm type that's more geared to taking out LAVs and Dropships rather than tanks, or at the very least being more effective at creating a danger zone for them.