I do use swarms only when the time is right. Your statement is pointless. I primarily go after tanks and lav's. Swarms are meant as support for ground vehicles but mostly for DS and ADS.

You are full of ****. I know swarms, I use them, I have used them since Replication almost 2 years ago, I have had proficiency 5 and maxed skills in swarms since Uprising began a year ago, and right now they are utterly worthless without 3-4 other swarmers or 1-2 forge guns backing you unless you are firing on a completely trash tanker or an LAV.

Swarms are meant for DS? You know not of what you speak.

Scouts shouldn't be the most effective AV. I have every single infantry AV weapon at proto, all of it pails in comparison to running a 6K ISK scout with RE's and AV nades.

Right so to be effective at AV one should carry proxys and RE's along with a proto swarm launcher.

Not an option as a heavy.
We get forge guns and right now forge guns dont do enough damage fast enough to scare any tank that has a repper.
Forge guns work best if 3 or 4 are aiming at the same target which is crap.

Then by your logic HAVS should be inherently weaker then they are now by a large margin.

I'm glad you finally agree.

Nerf those ******* into the ground.

All a HAV can do is block infantry on the outside, and harass other HAV's.

No, not at all.

HAV's dont win matches. HAV's can't win matches. They possess no ability to hack or infiltrate the finer points of a city.

All a HAV can do is block infantry on the outside, and harass other HAV's. If you make it so one infantry can defeat a HAV with ease, the HAV serves no tactical value whatsoever and every last one should immediately be replaced with forge gunners.

That's one of the things you children never think about. You're oh so willing to nerf something into the ground because its inconvenient for you to actually play the game properly, but when a tank's only purpose is removed you are not at all concerned with people who specialize in that part of the game.

You sir, are quite selfish. You already have half of the map dedicated to infantry, yet you want dominance over even more of that. Rather sad.

I do use swarms only when the time is right. Your statement is pointless. I primarily go after tanks and lav's. Swarms are meant as support for ground vehicles but mostly for DS and ADS.

Lol @ Max Skill

I have "max skill" scout stuff. Lots of us do.
But none of us have the 50+ Weekly KDRs.

You know who does? Only tankers.
Because balance.

Dude, you suck at AV. I watched you in action. It's obvious. Get over it.

No, not at all.

HAV's dont win matches. HAV's can't win matches. They possess no ability to hack or infiltrate the finer points of a city.

All a HAV can do is block infantry on the outside, and harass other HAV's. If you make it so one infantry can defeat a HAV with ease, the HAV serves no tactical value whatsoever and every last one should immediately be replaced with forge gunners.

That's one of the things you children never think about. You're oh so willing to nerf something into the ground because its inconvenient for you to actually play the game properly, but when a tank's only purpose is removed you are not at all concerned with people who specialize in that part of the game.

You sir, are quite selfish. You already have half of the map dedicated to infantry, yet you want dominance over even more of that. Rather sad.

Duna and Milkman prob have maxed out skills and are the exception , also that's like comparing the top scouts or any other role ... the players who are maxed out will win out most of the time and that's common sense .

You surely can not use these people as examples and also you have to bring into the mix that most of these same players run with at least a three man squad so there's support that comes into the formula as well , so they are not facing full encounters alone .

You people like to use people as examples but most of the time you pick the maxed out proto players who are generally better than the average proto player .

Use other roles as an example and the same counts but this is a bias way to come to a conclusion because these players are rare and cannot represent even 25 percent of the community .

There are more players with proto suits than have the actual core to back up the suit but that's less than have weapons , most players get the suit and while working on the suit they get weapons and while doing that , work on their core .

I see proto scouts with their core at advanced because you can tell the difference between a real proto scout and one that just uses the suit .

The same can be said about heavies or vehicles for that matter as well .

You just can not use rare players as the measuring tools for the norm , that's just unbalanced .

While I've only played with Atiim once, i can state that he is 120x better than your average AVer, yes he might have things to work on, but don't we all? I'm a ******* aggressive bastard who holds grudges mid-match, and then laughs my ass off when i squad with them.

The 2 things i noticed Atiim needs to work on? Positioning and strafing.

He dies to any blaster with an aim, and that's fine. Just gotta learn dem dances.

Proto swarm launchers should be feared though and they are not.

A vehicle should fear the forge gun. Not swarm launcher. If it becomes the other way around, there's something wrong with that. Because that's exactly what happened prior to their nerf. They were too powerful and effective for a weapon with auto aim.

So you can't clone the enemy to win?

Ambush matches go on forever because theirs no objectives to hack?

Your tactical value is being able to kill everything In the game without impunity, and do it better then anything else in the game. HAV s are almost immune to a large majority of the guns in game, you wanting them to be resilient against the only weapons that CAN damage them is being selfish.

Nice try buddy.

And Way to pull the child card like an "adult".

It's not the only weapon that can damage them. It's the laziest weapon that can damage them.

Don't get salty on me just because you're a bad player that can't kill a tank.