DUST Search - Master Thread of people who think AV is fine

Vitharr Foebane wrote:

Eko Sol wrote:

Vitharr Foebane wrote:

Eko Sol wrote:

Vitharr Foebane wrote:

use a swarm launcher and make those statements please

I do use swarms only when the time is right. Your statement is pointless. I primarily go after tanks and lav's. Swarms are meant as support for ground vehicles but mostly for DS and ADS.

If swarms were "meant" for DS and ADS why do they have an inherent resistance to them? Mind you i ask this as a purely philosophical statement as i am a heavy with prof IV in forges.

I'm done explaining. I'm done. The way I look at it is that a true AV infantry unit has 2 out of the 4 AV methods and knows when to execute. In addition, knows when the vehicle in question just doesn't matter. How many tanks just stay outside the city? Why the hell do I have to be successful at AV'ing that tank? There is no reason. I should stay in the city and protect the null or take it. Why should I care about the ADS that's just going around picking off outsiders when the dom Null is underground? It just doesn't make sense. AV is about picking battles and using two out of the four following methods:

1) AV nades/RE's
2) Proxy RE's
3) Forge
4) Swarms

I change my mind. I'm going to explain a little. If someone goes after every vehicle with swarms then they suck. If they go after every single vehicle with AV Nades and RE's then they suck. If they expect every vehicle to run over Proxy RE's then they suck. If someone is on lower ground and comes out with a FG every time then they suck. If you choose only one method then you might only have a small percentage of times where it is appropriate. Just because I'm good at AV doesn't mean I go after every tank. It means I go after the tanks that matter and are in a situation in which I can win with my method. Sometimes they are out in the open. Forges are more successful then Nades and RE's. Sometimes the tank is in the city where Nades and RE's are more successful. Swarms are successful from high ground in semi-open areas like the map that has the mushroom but not the towers.

EDIT:

BTW, although you don't get WP. Get good at crashing cheap gorgons into ADS. I do it all of the time. I'm not going to count this as number 5 simply because it only works on ADS. After Burner, Rep, Armor plate and chase it around. Even if you don't get it it won't get anything either.

Since you are in an explaining mood how is a heavy supposed to effectively use your 2 of 4 method? Being next to a tank equals dead no matter if you are a heavy or ewar scout. Also a heavy cannot use a re or proxy. So where does a heavy fit into your little rule?


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Eko Sol Strange Playings 289	Posted - 2014.05.17 06:14:00 - [1] - Quote I can't possibly be the only one. I'll edit this post with anyone that claims it is relatively balanced. I'll say this. If you believe it is 90% balanced or better than post your name down as "yay". Anything else won't count. I find it incredibly difficult to believe I'm the only one consistently successful with AV nades and RE's on my scout. I also find it hard to believe that only a handful of players are good with forges. This is your chance to tell the crybabies to stop so that CCP, if they do anything at all, focus their energies on actual things that are in need of help in the game as opposed to vehicle nerf hammers. Names: Eko Sol PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 289	Posted - 2014.05.17 06:31:00 - [2] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: use a swarm launcher and make those statements please I do use swarms only when the time is right. Your statement is pointless. I primarily go after tanks and lav's. Swarms are meant as support for ground vehicles but mostly for DS and ADS. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 289	Posted - 2014.05.17 06:47:00 - [3] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eko Sol wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: use a swarm launcher and make those statements please I do use swarms only when the time is right. Your statement is pointless. I primarily go after tanks and lav's. Swarms are meant as support for ground vehicles but mostly for DS and ADS. If swarms were "meant" for DS and ADS why do they have an inherent resistance to them? Mind you i ask this as a purely philosophical statement as i am a heavy with prof IV in forges. I'm done explaining. I'm done. The way I look at it is that a true AV infantry unit has 2 out of the 4 AV methods and knows when to execute. In addition, knows when the vehicle in question just doesn't matter. How many tanks just stay outside the city? Why the hell do I have to be successful at AV'ing that tank? There is no reason. I should stay in the city and protect the null or take it. Why should I care about the ADS that's just going around picking off outsiders when the dom Null is underground? It just doesn't make sense. AV is about picking battles and using two out of the four following methods: 1) AV nades/RE's 2) Proxy RE's 3) Forge 4) Swarms I change my mind. I'm going to explain a little. If someone goes after every vehicle with swarms then they suck. If they go after every single vehicle with AV Nades and RE's then they suck. If they expect every vehicle to run over Proxy RE's then they suck. If someone is on lower ground and comes out with a FG every time then they suck. If you choose only one method then you might only have a small percentage of times where it is appropriate. Just because I'm good at AV doesn't mean I go after every tank. It means I go after the tanks that matter and are in a situation in which I can win with my method. Sometimes they are out in the open. Forges are more successful then Nades and RE's. Sometimes the tank is in the city where Nades and RE's are more successful. Swarms are successful from high ground in semi-open areas like the map that has the mushroom but not the towers. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 289	Posted - 2014.05.17 06:54:00 - [4] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Thurak1 wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: use a swarm launcher and make those statements please Swarm launcher is the least player skill intensive weapon in the game. Any scrub can switch into a completely free suit and use one. It doesn't even require aiming. It can, and should, do an incredibly pitiful amount of damage for the amount of effort it takes, which is nothing. When you get enough terrible players together it can become an issue. That's exactly where the weapon should be, and it's exactly where it is. Proto swarm launchers should be feared though and they are not. the sad fact of the matter is that no infantry AV is feared unless its a RE, proto FG, or jihad LAV. That is wrong on more levels then i can possibly put in a single post... This is wrong. I know for a fact my name is on the sh!t list to watch out for. I have messages indicating this. When I'm the red for someone else I promise their are a few Cal Scouts with extra Precision Enhancers running close by the tank. That's what makes me even better. Taking out those to get to the tank but even now there are people that run that and when my name shows up on the kill feed for their INF support...the tank runs away before I can even get to it. You know, I want AV "balanced". Ef it. Why not? I want to win that much easier. I want all of the sucky people to still suck thinking nerfing speed on a tank or ads will help. I promise you right now. If you can't take out a tank with RE's and Nades or a FG, or take out a ADS with a Forge or Swarms then you are always going to suck. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 290	Posted - 2014.05.17 06:58:00 - [5] - Quote Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eko Sol wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: Eko Sol wrote: Vitharr Foebane wrote: use a swarm launcher and make those statements please I do use swarms only when the time is right. Your statement is pointless. I primarily go after tanks and lav's. Swarms are meant as support for ground vehicles but mostly for DS and ADS. If swarms were "meant" for DS and ADS why do they have an inherent resistance to them? Mind you i ask this as a purely philosophical statement as i am a heavy with prof IV in forges. I'm done explaining. I'm done. The way I look at it is that a true AV infantry unit has 2 out of the 4 AV methods and knows when to execute. In addition, knows when the vehicle in question just doesn't matter. How many tanks just stay outside the city? Why the hell do I have to be successful at AV'ing that tank? There is no reason. I should stay in the city and protect the null or take it. Why should I care about the ADS that's just going around picking off outsiders when the dom Null is underground? It just doesn't make sense. AV is about picking battles and using two out of the four following methods: 1) AV nades/RE's 2) Proxy RE's 3) Forge 4) Swarms I change my mind. I'm going to explain a little. If someone goes after every vehicle with swarms then they suck. If they go after every single vehicle with AV Nades and RE's then they suck. If they expect every vehicle to run over Proxy RE's then they suck. If someone is on lower ground and comes out with a FG every time then they suck. If you choose only one method then you might only have a small percentage of times where it is appropriate. Just because I'm good at AV doesn't mean I go after every tank. It means I go after the tanks that matter and are in a situation in which I can win with my method. Sometimes they are out in the open. Forges are more successful then Nades and RE's. Sometimes the tank is in the city where Nades and RE's are more successful. Swarms are successful from high ground in semi-open areas like the map that has the mushroom but not the towers. EDIT: BTW, although you don't get WP. Get good at crashing cheap gorgons into ADS. I do it all of the time. I'm not going to count this as number 5 simply because it only works on ADS. After Burner, Rep, Armor plate and chase it around. Even if you don't get it it won't get anything either. Since you are in an explaining mood how is a heavy supposed to effectively use your 2 of 4 method? Being next to a tank equals dead no matter if you are a heavy or ewar scout. Also a heavy cannot use a re or proxy. So where does a heavy fit into your little rule? Damnit! You use 1 at a time stupid. You don't use two at the same time that just doesn't make sense. Sometimes FG is needed b/c you get strong position. Other times it isn't effective so why come in with a FG. You should be on higher ground where you are relatively protected from being sniped. You get sniped and you get a move on. Fall down, call an LAV if possible, and get to a supply depot to change out. The other thing that bugs me is people that stack damage mods for the AV weapon. You should always have at least one damage mod for the Side Arm so you can stand a chance in a one on one. And a KinKat. Even if you are a heavy it makes no sense to tank out and sprint at 1m/s. I just don't get people. EDIT: I'm done. I'm just done with this argument. I really hope CCP brings the nerf hammer. I can't freaking wait. You know. I wonder if CCP can do a look up in their database and see how many tanks I've taken out in the past few weeks. I wonder. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 290	Posted - 2014.05.17 07:02:00 - [6] - Quote Atiim wrote: I'm just gonna sit here and LOL at this thread because it means absolutely nothing, and will serve to do nothing but regurgitate points that have already disprove several times over. Also: CCP Logibro wrote: I also want to add that we're not happy with the current balance between infantry AV and tanks, so that's one of the things we have on our list to look at for DUST 514. Dude, you suck at AV. I watched you in action. It's obvious. Get over it. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 315	Posted - 2014.05.17 18:37:00 - [7] - Quote Stopped following this thread b/c I don't want to argue. I think alot of you made valid points. The most valid is the larger part of the community is unable to AV properly. I have facts. I am just not going to spend money on a capture card to show people that they can do it. I find it hard to believe I'm some elite AV'er. I really do. I was not lying when I said I can't wait until they "balance" AV. I really can't. If I'm "good" now then I'm really going to enjoy what santa brings. And for the guy telling me they had 4 swarms shooting at the python. That is stupid. If you are trying to win the match then you shouldn't ever have four swarmers out unless they are commandos. I try to win, when a tank is a serious nuisance then I go AV. If it is just a pest a bit away from the null then I hold the null or secure the perimeter. I will never understand why people think they should be able to take out every vehicle they see every time they want to. It's just stupid. I'm not following this thread anymore. I lose. I and a few others I played with are going to see AV "balanced" and we are going to have a field day with whatever they decide. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...
Eko Sol Strange Playings 322	Posted - 2014.05.18 05:52:00 - [8] - Quote Ceadda Sai wrote: Adipem Nothi wrote: Himiko Kuronaga wrote: HAV's dont win matches. HAV's can't win matches... All a HAV can do is block infantry on the outside, and harass other HAV's.. Every time I see skilled pilots farming with Blaster Tanks, the first thing that comes to my mind: "Look at how good those pilots are at blocking infantry outside while not winning matches." Weekly Statistics DUNA2002 - 2,637 kills, 9 deaths, 15.46 win/loss Milkman1 - 1,271 kills, 62 deaths, 17.56 win/loss Shadow of War88 - 462 kills, 6 deaths, 28.92 win/loss The irony of this post, while having milkman's weekly k/d stats is not lost on this clone. I'm chiming in here again by accident b/c someone liked one of my posts here. Milkman primarily does PC and PC has significantly more skilled players than pubs which is what Duna does.....only pubs. Wow, this thread grew quite hilarious now that I think about it. Keep up the good work guys. obviously AV is balanced, some people suck, and CCP needs to make it easier to compensate for peoples lack of understanding of what it takes to AV. AV is something you choose to do the greater percentage of every match. killing infantry or getting a hack is nothing more than a plus in the route of taking out vehicles. Someone else said something like this but I barely read most threads. Again, I hope they nerf tanks, buff swarms and nades and give forges a larger blast radius or whatever. I don't care. I just can't wait. I really can't. PSN is "Ekopalm" I play D3, Child of Light, and solo games Also, Proto Trolling until I'm broke...