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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:22:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:Sir Petersen wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:All Alienware products are overpriced. They shouldn't even be taken seriously. To put it in perspective, a hand-built desktop PC with similar performance would be closer to $600. Maybe less. The best gaming laptop/desktop on the market and should not be taken seriously? Thats a new one..  If you think that's the best gaming PC on the market, you've been misled.
Yeah really. Lol, at just standard parts you can put on any PC with Windows. Alienware is just the pretty case.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:28:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Console exclusives >>> PC exclusives
Only good games count toward library size. I have yet to see a single console exclusive that is objectively mindbogglingly good. I've seen MANY can't say the same about PC
Theres many PC exclusives as well, past, present and future. Like
Total War series.
EVE.
Star Cintzen.
Elite Dangerous.
DAYZ.
MMO's (LOTRO, WOW, SWTOR, etc)
Portal 1-2
Company of Heroes
Man of War
Crusader Kings 2
Europa Universalis IV
Warhammer 40k
Arma 2-3
Civilization series.
Red Orchestra 2
Team Fortress
Planetary Anihilation series
Cyberpunk 2077
Starcraft 2
Mount and Blade 2
Nether
Heroes of the Storm
Plus a fuckton of strategy, RPG's, mmo's, moba's and Indie scene games that I dont care to list.
If the games are to your liking or not IDK, but I also dont like GTA V, so theres that.
The fact is all platforms have exclusives. The reall question is where are the ones you care about.
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Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:30:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Console exclusives >>> PC exclusives
Only good games count toward library size. I have yet to see a single console exclusive that is objectively mindbogglingly good. I've seen MANY can't say the same about PC Theres many PC exclusives as well, past, present and future. Like Total War series. EVE. Star Cintzen. Elite Dangerous. DAYZ. MMO's (LOTRO, WOW, SWTOR, etc) Portal 1-2 Company of Heroes Man of War Crusader Kings 2 Europa Universalis IV Warhammer 40k Arma 2-3 Civilization series. Red Orchestra 2 Team Fortress Planetary Anihilation series Cyberpunk 2077 Starcraft 2 Mount and Blade 2 Nether Heroes of the Storm Plus a fuckton of strategy, RPG's, mmo's, moba's and Indie scene games that I dont care to list. If the games are to your liking or not IDK, but I also dont like GTA V, so theres that. The fact is all platforms have exclusives. The reall question is where are the ones you care about.
A lot of those are on consoles
Of the games I've played, console exclusive are of a higher quality.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:32:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Ender Storm wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.
Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL!  PS4 is underperforming? O rly? 1080p at 60fps is more than I need. Not on all tittles, also the PS4 graphics card has some things disabled as to conform with the power requirements. For sure it wont have all the whistles and lights turned on as it would be possible with a PC. Does it mean it will suck? Hell no, but in terms of quality its like a mid-PC performance nowadays. Also, please dont spin around the "8 gb ddr5" card around, thats just hype mostly. The cpu dont need all that bus nor DDR5 memory. The gains of faster Ram for the CPU will be mostly marginal, if any at all. So really only the GPU will be be taking advantage of it. On PC the memory is also DDR5 on GPU's, and DDR3 is more than enough for CPU usage. Also, considering the PC's being build nowadays moslty carry 8+ GB of memory, thats a lot better as more ram can indeed benefit performance more than faster ram for gaming. So we have 8gb shared memory on the PS4 (with 1/3 is reserved for the OS, the rest have to be split between the game and the video card) versus 2+ GB dedicated video memory plus 8+GB dedicated system memory. I really dont think the PS4 way of doing things this generation is of any real practical advantage, srly. TBH I don't care about specs. Whatever runs well, is easy to use, and not overly expensive is what I want.
Thats totally cool.
I like PC, but most certainly will get also a PS4 in a year or 2, when it has more games, is cheaper and maybe has a second iteration of it around. |
ResistanceGTA
D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N
D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:42:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Console exclusives >>> PC exclusives
Only good games count toward library size. I have yet to see a single console exclusive that is objectively mindbogglingly good. I've seen MANY can't say the same about PC Theres many PC exclusives as well, past, present and future. Like Total War series. EVE. Star Cintzen. Elite Dangerous. DAYZ. Once the game is gone through on PCs and in a good state, it will be making the jump to consolesMMO's (LOTRO, WOW, SWTOR, etc) Portal 1-2 Both of these are on consolesCompany of Heroes Man of War Crusader Kings 2 Europa Universalis IV Warhammer 40k Arma 2-3 Civilization series. Red Orchestra 2 Team Fortress Planetary Anihilation series Cyberpunk 2077 Starcraft 2 Mount and Blade 2 Nether Heroes of the Storm Plus a fuckton of strategy, RPG's, mmo's, moba's and Indie scene games that I dont care to list. If the games are to your liking or not IDK, but I also dont like GTA V, so theres that. The fact is all platforms have exclusives. The reall question is where are the ones you care about.
Besides the errors you made in "exclusives", that's a good list. If only any of those interested me...
You don't like GTA V. I don't like RPG's for the most part. The indie studios are nice, but, Sony is winning many of them over so Playstation is getting many polished versions of the indies people love to brag about having.
I 'support' EVE:Legion. Since the PS4 is just a dream, make it easy to sell our characters and our Beta access...
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:51:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:
Of the games I've played, console exclusive are of a higher quality.
Because you have nothing to compare with on PC. |
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:54:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:All Alienware products are overpriced. They shouldn't even be taken seriously. To put it in perspective, a hand-built desktop PC with similar performance would be closer to $600. Maybe less. The best gaming laptop/desktop on the market and should not be taken seriously? Thats a new one..
You see that, that's your credibility... wait, where did it go?
Can't say I'm all that surprised.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:04:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Ender Storm wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Console exclusives >>> PC exclusives
Only good games count toward library size. I have yet to see a single console exclusive that is objectively mindbogglingly good. I've seen MANY can't say the same about PC Theres many PC exclusives as well, past, present and future. Like Total War series. EVE. Star Cintzen. Elite Dangerous. DAYZ. Once the game is gone through on PCs and in a good state, it will be making the jump to consolesMMO's (LOTRO, WOW, SWTOR, etc) Portal 1-2 Both of these are on consolesCompany of Heroes Man of War Crusader Kings 2 Europa Universalis IV Warhammer 40k Arma 2-3 Civilization series. Red Orchestra 2 Team Fortress Planetary Anihilation series Cyberpunk 2077 Starcraft 2 Mount and Blade 2 Nether Heroes of the Storm Plus a fuckton of strategy, RPG's, mmo's, moba's and Indie scene games that I dont care to list. If the games are to your liking or not IDK, but I also dont like GTA V, so theres that. The fact is all platforms have exclusives. The reall question is where are the ones you care about. Besides the errors you made in "exclusives", that's a good list. If only any of those interested me... You don't like GTA V. I don't like RPG's for the most part. The indie studios are nice, but, Sony is winning many of them over so Playstation is getting many polished versions of the indies people love to brag about having.
Which is ok, the more platforms a game is on, the better. Theres a lot of games present in various platforms.
And its good that the PC offers such liberty to its developers. Contrary to the big guys that try to force their hand artifially using exclusives as a bargain weight (because theres nothing technically limiting a console exclusive to port into another platform).
I hope in the future we see less exclusives, they reek of corporate greed and manipulation.
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Zahle Undt
Bullet Cluster
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:48:00 -
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The platform that is best is which ever one you as a gamer prefer.
Most tankers are like sand people. They frighten easily, but will quickly return...and in greater numbers.
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lampwizard
returntrip
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Posted - 2014.05.14 20:17:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:I've never encountered any cheating problems in an online PC game.
Play more
hold that wrote:
Lazor focus these nuts.
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
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Posted - 2014.05.14 20:55:00 -
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lampwizard wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:I've never encountered any cheating problems in an online PC game. Play more
Care to point me in a direction where cheating is rampant? I know Rust and DayZ is "full of cheaters" but we are talking about two games in alpha stage. |
Dexter307
The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar
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Posted - 2014.05.14 21:38:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Dexter307 wrote:
Of the games I've played, console exclusive are of a higher quality.
Because you have nothing to compare with on PC.
Ive played PC games
Not that big of a fan personally.
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:49:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Dexter307 wrote:
Of the games I've played, console exclusive are of a higher quality.
Because you have nothing to compare with on PC. Ive played PC games Not that big of a fan personally.
Guess this is a good bye of sorts then as Legion is coming to PC and not potato station 4. |
Michael Arck
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Posted - 2014.05.15 01:57:00 -
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lol @ potato station 4
Hnolai ki tuul, ti sei oni a tiu.
Are you OUKH?
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
2546
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:00:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.
Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL!
PS4 architecture is being used in next gen cards and the unified memory is ahead of its time, games aren't using unified memory in PC. The PS4 architecture changed how graphics cards will be built from now on.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:04:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.
Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! PS4 architecture is being used in next gen cards and the unified memory is ahead of its time, games aren't using unified memory in PC. The PS4 architecture changed how graphics cards will be built from now on.
Maybe, but chances are that it won't.
I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:17:00 -
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Ender Storm wrote:
Also, please dont spin around the "8 gb ddr5" card around, thats just hype mostly.
The GDDR5 graphic card has 73.6 GB/s bandwidth while the GDDR3 has only 25.6 GB/s.
The Radeon 7750 is a perfect example of this. This desktop card comes in two flavors: DDR3 and GDDR5.
Speed and bandwidth make a big difference, it can be overcome and in some cases GDDR5 latency makes it perform worse but for the most part 5 is better than 3.
Directionally, Microsoft says each operation (read, write) is capped at 109 GB/s but by mixing reads and writes, real world performance of 130-140 GB/s can be achieved. This isn't signficantly worse than the 176 GB/s theoretical performance of the PS4 over its 256-bit bus. - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Claims+Xbox+One+Can+Make+Due+With+Faster+GPU+Less+Compute+Units/article33506.htm
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Ulysses Knapse
Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:24:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Ender Storm wrote:
Also, please dont spin around the "8 gb ddr5" card around, thats just hype mostly.
The GDDR5 graphic card has 73.6 GB/s bandwidth while the GDDR3 has only 25.6 GB/s. The Radeon 7750 is a perfect example of this. This desktop card comes in two flavors: DDR3 and GDDR5. Speed and bandwidth make a big difference, it can be overcome and in some cases GDDR5 latency makes it perform worse but for the most part 5 is better than 3. Directionally, Microsoft says each operation (read, write) is capped at 109 GB/s but by mixing reads and writes, real world performance of 130-140 GB/s can be achieved. This isn't signficantly worse than the 176 GB/s theoretical performance of the PS4 over its 256-bit bus. - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Claims+Xbox+One+Can+Make+Due+With+Faster+GPU+Less+Compute+Units/article33506.htm
I would like to note that there's no real reason to have RAM that goes 176GB/s.
Also, something that will be exclusive to PCs for a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR4
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:25:00 -
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Ulysses Knapse wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.
Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! PS4 architecture is being used in next gen cards and the unified memory is ahead of its time, games aren't using unified memory in PC. The PS4 architecture changed how graphics cards will be built from now on. Maybe, but chances are that it won't.
The PS4GǦs GPU also has a technology known as volatile bit. This technology allows a piece of code to be tagged with a bit of data, and then deleted or changed on the fly. This is a vast area of improvement from the traditional workings of GPUGÇÖs. ItGÇÖs also worthy to note that AMD took many of the ideas of the PS4 GÇô such as the beefed up compute structure and implemented it into their next gen video cards
http://www.redgamingtech.com/playstation-4-gpu-next-gen-amd-radeon-volcanic-island-gpu-compute-similarities/
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Ronan Elsword
Dead Six Initiative
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:53:00 -
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Well in the Console department PS4 wins in my opinion. The few exclusives I've played on an Xbone have been genreally second rate. For instance Ryse: Son of Rome looked like an awesome game... It's just another button mashing game going for big combos.
PS4 comes with a lot more for your money with the free playstation plus games. I really don't need to go on.
PC is the "Master race" as some people like to call it. It's for the people who have the extra money saved up that can afford, and want to spend the "big bucks".
Why have I have chosen PC over a PS4? Because I want to play a ton of PC games that my current laptop (Cheap PoS) can't.
I also want to be able to use good video making software, photoshop(Other like products), and being able to mod the games I play for a more satisfying experience. (Have you ever seen Skyrim Modded out on a good PC? It's amazing)
All that said I'll most likely get a PS4 at some point, but probably not until it get's the next model that has twice the memory like comparing a "fat" ps3 vs the new ones.
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.15 03:56:00 -
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As far as the VS topic.
The XBox One is the loser in almost every case. Fewer titles, costs more and isn't as powerful.
The PS4 is the best value and is easier than a PC. With a PS the overall cost is lower in almost every situation and is aesthetically more pleasing than a PC and, to me, an XBone. The PS is more portable, more energy efficient, and comes with all the things needed to play almost all the games on the PS. It includes controller, headset for voice chat and all the wires needed to plug it in. With PS plus you get monthly games and the use of online backups. Old PS games are being emulated on the 4 so the library is very large and full of well know games.
The VITA and EYE also add to the console. The VITA is a $300 peripheral that can be used as a second screen or as a main screen if you don't use of the TV. The EYE adds motion controlling and adds to the function of the PS4 controller. Some PS4 and VITA games can be played on both platforms and their saves moves with the game allowing you to continue playing while traveling.
The PC is the wins in power every time if you have the money to spend on high end components. The PC is more versitile and can do more everyday things but is more expensive to use while gaming. Higher end cards pull like 150W while gaming and that doesn't include the rest of the system. PCs are more cumbersome and are not a nice to look at or as compact as consoles so connecting them to the big screen is ugly and usually takes up much more space. With PCs all is not included. Gaming mice and keyboards offer better performance, head sets and speakers are needed and a monitor is expensive if you don't have a nice one or can't connect it to your TV. Even then the extra cord needed to connect to the TV is another price and some TV may not have enough inputs to accommodate the extra cord. The Blueray player is another component that will cost extra if compared to a standard DVD in lots of PCs.
The PS4 is the best value for what you get and if you travel or live somewhere small the PS4 is the winner by far but if you are looking for straight power or money is not object then the PC will always win. I own a VITA, 2 PS3 and a higher end PC. I have a watercooled overclocked i7, 6 GB of ram and a very nice motherboard. My card is GTX 660 and I perfer a PS3 every time. I like PC gaming but I don't enjoy it as much as console gaming.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:03:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.
Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! PS4 architecture is being used in next gen cards and the unified memory is ahead of its time, games aren't using unified memory in PC. The PS4 architecture changed how graphics cards will be built from now on.
There is no "PS4 architecture" as it is still AMDs 'Jaguar' which is still a x86 architecture. Furthermore, PC stands for Personal Computer and is a open and hardware agnostic platform whereas AMD produces several things but no PCs and there only one that will be building graphics cards designed with Mantle in mind is AMD, not Nvidia. |
Nyctohylophobia
Kinsho Swords
Caldari State
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:09:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:
The PC is the wins in power every time if you have the money to spend on high end components. The PC is more versitile and can do more everyday things but is more expensive to use while gaming. Higher end cards pull like 150W while gaming and that doesn't include the rest of the system. PCs are more cumbersome and are not a nice to look at or as compact as consoles so connecting them to the big screen is ugly and usually takes up much more space. With PCs all is not included. Gaming mice and keyboards offer better performance, head sets and speakers are needed and a monitor is expensive if you don't have a nice one or can't connect it to your TV. Even then the extra cord needed to connect to the TV is another price and some TV may not have enough inputs to accommodate the extra cord. The Blueray player is another component that will cost extra if compared to a standard DVD in lots of PCs.
Do you want me to pick your argument apart piece for piece? And where the actual **** did you learn English? I mean, I am not natively English speaking but holy jumping shitballs! |
ANON Cerberus
Tiny Toons
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:16:00 -
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A fair assumption from the op.
Its quite simple...
If you just want to play a few games here and there, when you get back from work, play with the lads and ladies round the house having some beers... a console is probably a smarter choice.
If you dont mind spending a little bit more money (not nearly as much more as some would make you believe) and you have more than a keen interest in gaming / want the top specs or want to do MORE THAN JUST GAMING - a PC is the better option.
There is no better or worse, they are wha tthey are. Get the system that suits your needs.
For me its the PC hands down as I love games but I love to record and compose music as well as dabble in a little creativity on my PC.
- OH if I had to pick a console at this point, it would be the PS4 hands down. Why anyone would want a new Xbox at this point is beyond me. I guess exclusive games or something? I dont know. |
The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:24:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.
Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! PS4 architecture is being used in next gen cards and the unified memory is ahead of its time, games aren't using unified memory in PC. The PS4 architecture changed how graphics cards will be built from now on. There is no "PS4 architecture" as it is still AMDs 'Jaguar' which is still a x86 architecture. Furthermore, PC stands for Personal Computer and is a open and hardware agnostic platform whereas AMD produces several things but no PCs and there only one that will be building graphics cards designed with Mantle in mind is AMD, not Nvidia.
You are correct but it is still Sony and AMD, not just AMD.
"One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production."
Raoul Duke
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The Robot Devil
Brave Bunnies
Brave Collective
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:27:00 -
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Nyctohylophobia wrote:The Robot Devil wrote:
The PC is the wins in power every time if you have the money to spend on high end components. The PC is more versitile and can do more everyday things but is more expensive to use while gaming. Higher end cards pull like 150W while gaming and that doesn't include the rest of the system. PCs are more cumbersome and are not a nice to look at or as compact as consoles so connecting them to the big screen is ugly and usually takes up much more space. With PCs all is not included. Gaming mice and keyboards offer better performance, head sets and speakers are needed and a monitor is expensive if you don't have a nice one or can't connect it to your TV. Even then the extra cord needed to connect to the TV is another price and some TV may not have enough inputs to accommodate the extra cord. The Blueray player is another component that will cost extra if compared to a standard DVD in lots of PCs.
Do you want me to pick your argument apart piece for piece? And where the actual **** did you learn English? I mean, I am not natively English speaking but holy jumping shitballs!
Sorry my English doesn't hold up to yours.
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:41:00 -
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Just so you guys know, the PC vs PS3 situation was totally different than the PC vs PS4 situation.
The PS3 WAS stronger than any gaming PC of the time hands down, you literally COULD NOT build a gaming PC stronger than a PS3.
The reason for that is that the super components that only the rich people could buy did not exist.
There was no GTX Titan, R9 295x, etc'.
Hardware was made to be somewhat affordable, you wouldn't see a graphics card for 1000$. (Consumer graphics cards that is)
In the current market, the consoles simply cannot compete unless they bring on ridiculous price tags, bordering on 800$ - 1000$.
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:45:00 -
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The ignorance in this thread is real entertaining but also hurts like hell. I'll just grab more popcorn.
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:47:00 -
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Cat Merc wrote:Just so you guys know, the PC vs PS3 situation was totally different than the PC vs PS4 situation.
The PS3 WAS stronger than any gaming PC of the time hands down, you literally COULD NOT build a gaming PC stronger than a PS3.
The reason for that is that the super components that only the rich people could buy did not exist.
There was no GTX Titan, R9 295x, etc'.
Hardware was made to be somewhat affordable, you wouldn't see a graphics card for 1000$. (Consumer graphics cards that is)
In the current market, the consoles simply cannot compete unless they bring on ridiculous price tags, bordering on 800$ - 1000$.
If Sony had followed through with their vision of a cell in all their electronics then then in the PS4 then it would be unstoppable now but they gave up on the cell.
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Posted - 2014.05.15 04:50:00 -
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The Robot Devil wrote:Cat Merc wrote:Just so you guys know, the PC vs PS3 situation was totally different than the PC vs PS4 situation.
The PS3 WAS stronger than any gaming PC of the time hands down, you literally COULD NOT build a gaming PC stronger than a PS3.
The reason for that is that the super components that only the rich people could buy did not exist.
There was no GTX Titan, R9 295x, etc'.
Hardware was made to be somewhat affordable, you wouldn't see a graphics card for 1000$. (Consumer graphics cards that is)
In the current market, the consoles simply cannot compete unless they bring on ridiculous price tags, bordering on 800$ - 1000$. If Sony had followed through with their vision of a cell in all their electronics then then in the PS4 then it would be unstoppable now but they gave up on the cell.
The CELL is incredibly hard to code for, and would not magically make the console stronger.
It's an architecture from 10 years ago.
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