DUST Search - An Unbiased Look At: PC vs. XB1 vs. PS4

Ender Storm wrote:

Dexter307 wrote:

Nyctohylophobia wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.

Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint.

Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! Lol

PS4 is underperforming?
O rly?
1080p at 60fps is more than I need.

Not on all tittles, also the PS4 graphics card has some things disabled as to conform with the power requirements. For sure it wont have all the whistles and lights turned on as it would be possible with a PC.

Does it mean it will suck? Hell no, but in terms of quality its like a mid-PC performance nowadays.

Also, please dont spin around the "8 gb ddr5" card around, thats just hype mostly.

The cpu dont need all that bus nor DDR5 memory. The gains of faster Ram for the CPU will be mostly marginal, if any at all. So really only the GPU will be be taking advantage of it. On PC the memory is also DDR5 on GPU's, and DDR3 is more than enough for CPU usage.

Also, considering the PC's being build nowadays moslty carry 8+ GB of memory, thats a lot better as more ram can indeed benefit performance more than faster ram for gaming.

So we have 8gb shared memory on the PS4 (with 1/3 is reserved for the OS, the rest have to be split between the game and the video card) versus 2+ GB dedicated video memory plus 8+GB dedicated system memory.

I really dont think the PS4 way of doing things this generation is of any real practical advantage, srly.

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Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2102	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:21:00 - [31] - Quote @OP Since you seem to insist on the Xbox One having a better library than the PS4, then please list what games you deem "relevant" and why that means the library on the Xbox One is better. Looking at the games I get something like this: Xbox One: Titanfall. Dead Rising 3. Forza Motorsport 5. Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare. PS4: Infamous: Second Son. Killzone: Shadow Fall. Resogun. Don't Starve. Flower. Edit: And furthermore the PS4 has more games overall than the Xbox One. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1203	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:21:00 - [32] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: snip Come now, Ryme, do you really believe the PlayStation 4 is that powerful? Give me proof that the PlayStation 4 is that powerful in practice rather than theory and I'll change my mind. Well PS2 will be at 1080p and max settings. That's more than 90% of PCs can manage. You might say 'that's because PS2 is horribly optimized on PC', but that's the whole point. It is simply not economic to put a lot of optimization effort into every PC hardware/software combination. 90% of PCs and 90% of gaming PCs are two very different things, Herr Ryme. True, but I meant 'That's more than 90% of gaming PCs can manage'. Which I think is also true.
Frame Halgorbor Tech Guard RISE of LEGION 18	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:24:00 - [33] - Quote firstly... omg trolls Try not quote a whole 5 page essay and just comment I agree pc will always be king... but, ccp screwed us promised many thing and knew they could not deliver ie 514 I will join legion, good post... subjective
Ryme Intrinseca The Rainbow Effect 1203	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:24:00 - [34] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Surt gods end wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: snip Come now, Ryme, do you really believe the PlayStation 4 is that powerful? Give me proof that the PlayStation 4 is that powerful in practice rather than theory and I'll change my mind. Wait to E3. Graphics tho I always give to my rig mind you against ps3 and xbox 360. later on I think I might have to upgrade for her to keep up with the ps4. Infamous and kz4 teased a bit what the ps4 can do, and that is far from that system hitting it's peak. IMO tho Consoles always got the better exclusives. As you would disregard indie games and strategy games, I can see why you think that. I tried playing the PS3 version of Civilization once [shudders]. So yeah, PCs have their advantages, no doubt. I think with FPS it's more of a personal preference, whereas some genres have a natural home on one platform or the other (e.g. strategy on PC, fighting games on consoles).
Izlare Lenix Arrogance. Caps and Mercs 570	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:34:00 - [35] - Quote Alienware comps are good, but just like Apple, they are overpriced and you are paying extra for the brand name. You could build a much better performing computer for less money if you built it versus buying an Alienware. Gun control is not about guns...it's about control. The only way to ensure freedom is by having the means to defend it.
Virtual Riot Rebels New Republic INTERGALACTIC WARPIGS 411	Posted - 2014.05.14 13:51:00 - [36] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Whats the best gaming pc/laptop out there? The ones that you build yourself. You can build your own Alienware like most other PC-¦s. What are you talking about? Alienware is a monster machine. Top of the range AW costs 3000$ plus. A little bit more expensive than a top of the range gaming console (PS4 for 400$). Alienware is the Apple of gaming computers. Overpriced junk that people think is good because of hype Fixing FGs > all
Joel II X Dah Gods O Bacon 2543	Posted - 2014.05.14 14:05:00 - [37] - Quote When it comes to gaming libraries, the PlayStation 2 blows all of the consoles out of the water.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 573	Posted - 2014.05.14 14:08:00 - [38] - Quote when it comes to the playstation and xbox i dont choose one or the other because ive had all ps's and xbox's (not including the next gen consoles) because to me its adds a more variety of console games instead of just having a ps or xbox. Now when it comes to pc that is where it kind of throws me off, sure pc has alot of games that consoles will never get like black desert online :'( but i just do not see myself playing on pc. I do have a laptop though i use it mostly for art purposes, adobe flash , photoshop, illustrator, toon boom, 3ds max etc... i do play aqworlds or epic duel on the laptop and i make fan art (weapons and armor) on flash and then show the devs of those games my work in hopes one day they will hire me.
Nstomper Ikomari-Onu Enforcement Caldari State 573	Posted - 2014.05.14 14:16:00 - [39] - Quote I also want to add that the xbox one is going to cos just as much as the ps4 $400 i think in june?
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 126	Posted - 2014.05.14 14:28:00 - [40] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it] Is that so? http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-18/pd.aspx All Alienware products are overpriced. They shouldn't even be taken seriously. To put it in perspective, a hand-built desktop PC with similar performance would be closer to $600. Maybe less. The best gaming laptop/desktop on the market and should not be taken seriously? Thats a new one.. Alienware is trash.

Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1478	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:31:00 - [41] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Samael Artico wrote: It's impossible to objectively judge a game, and as such it's impossible to objectively judge a game library. He probably meant "for most people", rather than "objectively speaking". He has no sources for what "most people" believe. That makes it entirely subjective. I can understand his reasoning. Pure Chess on ps4 is obviously less relevant to most people than Infamous: Second Son, and Battlefield 4 is more important to most people than Strike Suit Zero: Director's Cut. (just games I pulled from my XMB) It is a generalization, but I can understand his thinking. PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 MAG Vet ~ Raven R.I.P.~ Dust, R.I.P.~ MAG
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1139	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:34:00 - [42] - Quote Nstomper wrote: I also want to add that the xbox one is going to cos just as much as the ps4 $400 i think in june? Yep, they realized forcing Kinect on people wasn't the best idea (though developers now have to account for people not having one, so, they can't make them mandatory in major releases). They also dropped the majority of pay-walls. Still wouldn't buy one, mind you. I 'support' EVE:Legion. Since the PS4 is just a dream, make it easy to sell our characters and our Beta access...
JIMvc2 UNREAL WARRIORS 147	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:36:00 - [43] - Quote Who cares about graphics. You know what bothers me the most is when gamers buy a game only for the graphics. Are you that effin stupid. What kills alot of games is when a developer creates a trailer for a game and everyone is all hyped up. The example is BF4. If you run proto gear, prepare to suffer the consequences. You've been warned.
ResistanceGTA D.A.R.K L.E.G.I.O.N D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1139	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:37:00 - [44] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: Bendtner92 wrote: Samael Artico wrote: It's impossible to objectively judge a game, and as such it's impossible to objectively judge a game library. He probably meant "for most people", rather than "objectively speaking". He has no sources for what "most people" believe. That makes it entirely subjective. I can understand his reasoning. Pure Chess on ps4 is obviously less relevant to most people than Infamous: Second Son, and Battlefield 4 is more important to most people than Strike Suit Zero: Director's Cut. (just games I pulled from my XMB) It is a generalization, but I can understand his thinking. Even though it is a PS3 game, I'd like to add that Flower looks amazing on my PS4 (call me names if anyone wants, but, TGC made some fun games in my opinion). I 'support' EVE:Legion. Since the PS4 is just a dream, make it easy to sell our characters and our Beta access...
Bendtner92 Imperfects Negative-Feedback 2106	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:45:00 - [45] - Quote Baal Omniscient wrote: I can understand his reasoning. Pure Chess on ps4 is obviously less relevant to most people than Infamous: Second Son, and Battlefield 4 is more important to most people than Strike Suit Zero: Director's Cut. (just games I pulled from my XMB) It is a generalization, but I can understand his thinking. I'm fully aware of games not being equally relevant for people, but I don't understand the need to ignore them entirely. Besides, I compared the (seemingly) most relevant games previously in the thread and I fail to see how Xbox One has the better library based on that list (plus the fact that the PS4 also has more games overall). List from earlier in the thread: Bendtner92 wrote: Xbox One: Titanfall. Dead Rising 3. Forza Motorsport 5. Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare. PS4: Infamous: Second Son. Killzone: Shadow Fall. Resogun. Don't Starve. Flower. Winner of the EU Squad Cup & the closed beta Tester's Tournament. Go Go Power Rangers! R.I.P MAG.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1480	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:53:00 - [46] - Quote Fine, guys. I fixed my comments on the game library of each platform. Happy now? I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Surt gods end Demon Ronin 1694	Posted - 2014.05.14 16:25:00 - [47] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Fine, guys. I fixed my comments on the game library of each platform. Happy now? Actually I completely forgot about the PS NOW. Which will address at being able to play your back log of games on any system. So you might want to put a PC beats consoles FOR NOW there.
Bax Zanith 145	Posted - 2014.05.14 16:33:00 - [48] - Quote Why is it that people always try to compare an apple (PC), and an orange (consuls), to a mithicle unicorn (the one true way)? They didn't die from the cold without They died from the cold within. - James Patrick Kinney
TechMechMeds KLEENEX INC. 3351	Posted - 2014.05.14 16:48:00 - [49] - Quote Bax Zanith wrote: Why is it that people always try to compare an apple (PC), and an orange (consuls), to a mithicle unicorn (the one true way)? Mythical Console Git gud. Eve Legion FTW!
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 42	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:04:00 - [50] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind. Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL!

Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1575	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:21:00 - [51] - Quote Console exclusives >>> PC exclusives Only good games count toward library size.
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 42	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:23:00 - [52] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Console exclusives >>> PC exclusives Only good games count toward library size. I have yet to see a single console exclusive that is objectively mindbogglingly good.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1575	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:23:00 - [53] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind. Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! PS4 is underperforming? O rly? 1080p at 60fps is more than I need.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1575	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:24:00 - [54] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Console exclusives >>> PC exclusives Only good games count toward library size. I have yet to see a single console exclusive that is objectively mindbogglingly good. I've seen MANY can't say the same about PC
Baal Omniscient L.O.T.I.S. D.E.F.I.A.N.C.E 1482	Posted - 2014.05.14 17:36:00 - [55] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Baal Omniscient wrote: I can understand his reasoning. Pure Chess on ps4 is obviously less relevant to most people than Infamous: Second Son, and Battlefield 4 is more important to most people than Strike Suit Zero: Director's Cut. (just games I pulled from my XMB) It is a generalization, but I can understand his thinking. I'm fully aware of games not being equally relevant for people, but I don't understand the need to ignore them entirely. Besides, I compared the (seemingly) most relevant games previously in the thread and I fail to see how Xbox One has the better library based on that list (plus the fact that the PS4 also has more games overall). List from earlier in the thread: Bendtner92 wrote: Xbox One: Titanfall. Dead Rising 3. Forza Motorsport 5. Plants vs Zombies: Garden Warfare. PS4: Infamous: Second Son. Killzone: Shadow Fall. Resogun. Don't Starve. Flower. Edit: I also find it incredibly silly only to compare the current libraries, as I'm sure very few people only look at the current libraries when deciding which console (or PC) to buy. Not-yet released games play a very huge part in this decision and from what I can tell the PS4 will get the better games in the near future. I'm not disagreeing at all that the ps4 has a larger library (also in my opinion a more attractive one, future and present), I also agree with all of your points. I was merely saying that I can understand his reasoning. PSN ID: AlbelNox2569 MAG Vet ~ Raven R.I.P.~ Dust, R.I.P.~ MAG
Ender Storm Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 129	Posted - 2014.05.14 18:00:00 - [56] - Quote Dexter307 wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind. Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! PS4 is underperforming? O rly? 1080p at 60fps is more than I need. Not on all tittles, also the PS4 graphics card has some things disabled as to conform with the power requirements. For sure it wont have all the whistles and lights turned on as it would be possible with a PC. Does it mean it will suck? Hell no, but in terms of quality its like a mid-PC performance nowadays. Also, please dont spin around the "8 gb ddr5" card around, thats just hype mostly. The cpu dont need all that bus nor DDR5 memory. The gains of faster Ram for the CPU will be mostly marginal, if any at all. So really only the GPU will be be taking advantage of it. On PC the memory is also DDR5 on GPU's, and DDR3 is more than enough for CPU usage. Also, considering the PC's being build nowadays moslty carry 8+ GB of memory, thats a lot better as more ram can indeed benefit performance more than faster ram for gaming. So we have 8gb shared memory on the PS4 (with 1/3 is reserved for the OS, the rest have to be split between the game and the video card) versus 2+ GB dedicated video memory plus 8+GB dedicated system memory. I really dont think the PS4 way of doing things this generation is of any real practical advantage, srly.
Heathen Bastard The Bastard Brigade 1497	Posted - 2014.05.14 18:04:00 - [57] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it] Is that so? http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-18/pd.aspx All Alienware products are overpriced. They shouldn't even be taken seriously. To put it in perspective, a hand-built desktop PC with similar performance would be closer to $600. Maybe less. And that's a laptop. Which are pretty much always more expensive. CCP "logic": Why fix something when we can &^%$ all over everyone who believed in us.
Spkr4theDead Red Star. EoN. 2076	Posted - 2014.05.14 18:08:00 - [58] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it] Is that so? http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-18/pd.aspx Lol not everybody needs a beast gaming rig to run the highest graphics 100% of the time. I have my friend's old gaming rig and I run Diablo 3 at low graphics because it's not something I care about. Cheaper Those Alienware laptops have dual video cards. Not everybody needs that. I may be missing something, but I'm pretty sure that I didn't call for a tank nerf before Uprising 1.7. - Atiim
pseudosnipre Fatal Absolution 741	Posted - 2014.05.14 18:12:00 - [59] - Quote When Legion is released in two years you will easily be able to build a PC for $500-$600 that will be far superior to the older PS4 specs. I suggest you buy a strong, mid-tier DESKTOP PC that comes with cpu, mobo, ps, hdd, disc drives, ethernet/wifi, and Operating System. To keep costs down, make sure it has on-board video (video provided by motherboard and not a dedicated graphics card). Then spend $200 on a video card. Cutting edge cards start around $500 and drop to $200 after a year or so...which will still be at least one or two years newer than the PS4 spec. You really can't screw this up unless you choose to buy a laptop or ignore ESD common sense when installing the video card... Today is the sort of day where the sun only comes up to humiliate you. BitterVet the turkey says GOML GOML GOML
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1575	Posted - 2014.05.14 18:14:00 - [60] - Quote Ender Storm wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind. Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! PS4 is underperforming? O rly? 1080p at 60fps is more than I need. Not on all tittles, also the PS4 graphics card has some things disabled as to conform with the power requirements. For sure it wont have all the whistles and lights turned on as it would be possible with a PC. Does it mean it will suck? Hell no, but in terms of quality its like a mid-PC performance nowadays. Also, please dont spin around the "8 gb ddr5" card around, thats just hype mostly. The cpu dont need all that bus nor DDR5 memory. The gains of faster Ram for the CPU will be mostly marginal, if any at all. So really only the GPU will be be taking advantage of it. On PC the memory is also DDR5 on GPU's, and DDR3 is more than enough for CPU usage. Also, considering the PC's being build nowadays moslty carry 8+ GB of memory, thats a lot better as more ram can indeed benefit performance more than faster ram for gaming. So we have 8gb shared memory on the PS4 (with 1/3 is reserved for the OS, the rest have to be split between the game and the video card) versus 2+ GB dedicated video memory plus 8+GB dedicated system memory. I really dont think the PS4 way of doing things this generation is of any real practical advantage, srly. TBH I don't care about specs. Whatever runs well, is easy to use, and not overly expensive is what I want.



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