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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.14 14:28:00 -
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Sir Petersen wrote:Ulysses Knapse wrote:All Alienware products are overpriced. They shouldn't even be taken seriously. To put it in perspective, a hand-built desktop PC with similar performance would be closer to $600. Maybe less. The best gaming laptop/desktop on the market and should not be taken seriously? Thats a new one.. 
Alienware is trash. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:00:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.
Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL!  PS4 is underperforming? O rly? 1080p at 60fps is more than I need.
Not on all tittles, also the PS4 graphics card has some things disabled as to conform with the power requirements. For sure it wont have all the whistles and lights turned on as it would be possible with a PC.
Does it mean it will suck? Hell no, but in terms of quality its like a mid-PC performance nowadays.
Also, please dont spin around the "8 gb ddr5" card around, thats just hype mostly.
The cpu dont need all that bus nor DDR5 memory. The gains of faster Ram for the CPU will be mostly marginal, if any at all. So really only the GPU will be be taking advantage of it. On PC the memory is also DDR5 on GPU's, and DDR3 is more than enough for CPU usage.
Also, considering the PC's being build nowadays moslty carry 8+ GB of memory, thats a lot better as more ram can indeed benefit performance more than faster ram for gaming.
So we have 8gb shared memory on the PS4 (with 1/3 is reserved for the OS, the rest have to be split between the game and the video card) versus 2+ GB dedicated video memory plus 8+GB dedicated system memory.
I really dont think the PS4 way of doing things this generation is of any real practical advantage, srly.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:28:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Console exclusives >>> PC exclusives
Only good games count toward library size. I have yet to see a single console exclusive that is objectively mindbogglingly good. I've seen MANY can't say the same about PC
Theres many PC exclusives as well, past, present and future. Like
Total War series.
EVE.
Star Cintzen.
Elite Dangerous.
DAYZ.
MMO's (LOTRO, WOW, SWTOR, etc)
Portal 1-2
Company of Heroes
Man of War
Crusader Kings 2
Europa Universalis IV
Warhammer 40k
Arma 2-3
Civilization series.
Red Orchestra 2
Team Fortress
Planetary Anihilation series
Cyberpunk 2077
Starcraft 2
Mount and Blade 2
Nether
Heroes of the Storm
Plus a fuckton of strategy, RPG's, mmo's, moba's and Indie scene games that I dont care to list.
If the games are to your liking or not IDK, but I also dont like GTA V, so theres that.
The fact is all platforms have exclusives. The reall question is where are the ones you care about.
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Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.14 18:32:00 -
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Dexter307 wrote:Ender Storm wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Ryme Intrinseca wrote:
Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.
Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! PS4 is underperforming? O rly? 1080p at 60fps is more than I need. Not on all tittles, also the PS4 graphics card has some things disabled as to conform with the power requirements. For sure it wont have all the whistles and lights turned on as it would be possible with a PC. Does it mean it will suck? Hell no, but in terms of quality its like a mid-PC performance nowadays. Also, please dont spin around the "8 gb ddr5" card around, thats just hype mostly. The cpu dont need all that bus nor DDR5 memory. The gains of faster Ram for the CPU will be mostly marginal, if any at all. So really only the GPU will be be taking advantage of it. On PC the memory is also DDR5 on GPU's, and DDR3 is more than enough for CPU usage. Also, considering the PC's being build nowadays moslty carry 8+ GB of memory, thats a lot better as more ram can indeed benefit performance more than faster ram for gaming. So we have 8gb shared memory on the PS4 (with 1/3 is reserved for the OS, the rest have to be split between the game and the video card) versus 2+ GB dedicated video memory plus 8+GB dedicated system memory. I really dont think the PS4 way of doing things this generation is of any real practical advantage, srly. TBH I don't care about specs. Whatever runs well, is easy to use, and not overly expensive is what I want.
Thats totally cool.
I like PC, but most certainly will get also a PS4 in a year or 2, when it has more games, is cheaper and maybe has a second iteration of it around. |
Ender Storm
Goonfeet
Special Planetary Emergency Response Group
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Posted - 2014.05.14 19:04:00 -
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ResistanceGTA wrote:Ender Storm wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Nyctohylophobia wrote:Dexter307 wrote:Console exclusives >>> PC exclusives
Only good games count toward library size. I have yet to see a single console exclusive that is objectively mindbogglingly good. I've seen MANY can't say the same about PC Theres many PC exclusives as well, past, present and future. Like Total War series. EVE. Star Cintzen. Elite Dangerous. DAYZ. Once the game is gone through on PCs and in a good state, it will be making the jump to consolesMMO's (LOTRO, WOW, SWTOR, etc) Portal 1-2 Both of these are on consolesCompany of Heroes Man of War Crusader Kings 2 Europa Universalis IV Warhammer 40k Arma 2-3 Civilization series. Red Orchestra 2 Team Fortress Planetary Anihilation series Cyberpunk 2077 Starcraft 2 Mount and Blade 2 Nether Heroes of the Storm Plus a fuckton of strategy, RPG's, mmo's, moba's and Indie scene games that I dont care to list. If the games are to your liking or not IDK, but I also dont like GTA V, so theres that. The fact is all platforms have exclusives. The reall question is where are the ones you care about. Besides the errors you made in "exclusives", that's a good list. If only any of those interested me... You don't like GTA V. I don't like RPG's for the most part. The indie studios are nice, but, Sony is winning many of them over so Playstation is getting many polished versions of the indies people love to brag about having.
Which is ok, the more platforms a game is on, the better. Theres a lot of games present in various platforms.
And its good that the PC offers such liberty to its developers. Contrary to the big guys that try to force their hand artifially using exclusives as a bargain weight (because theres nothing technically limiting a console exclusive to port into another platform).
I hope in the future we see less exclusives, they reek of corporate greed and manipulation.
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