DUST Search - An Unbiased Look At: PC vs. XB1 vs. PS4

The Robot Devil wrote:

Nyctohylophobia wrote:

Ryme Intrinseca wrote:

Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind.

Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint.

Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! Lol

PS4 architecture is being used in next gen cards and the unified memory is ahead of its time, games aren't using unified memory in PC. The PS4 architecture changed how graphics cards will be built from now on.


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Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1441	Posted - 2014.05.14 10:38:00 - [1] - Quote There's been a lot of debate over which is the superior platform, so I'm here to give you an unbiased look at the differences between the PC and the two major next-gen consoles. Graphics First off, let's compare the graphics between the three consoles. The PlayStation 4 consistently provides higher resolution for the same framerate over the Xbox One, and the numbers show why: the GPU of the PlayStation 4 has a theoretical peak performance of 1.84 teraflops, compared to the theoretical peak performance of 1.31 teraflops of the Xbox One. The PC is undoubtedly the strongest of the three, however, with many graphics cards easily exceeding those numbers. The PC takes 1st place in this category, followed by the PS4 in 2nd place and the XB1 in 3rd place. *Cost of Platform* Perhaps more important to some than graphics is cost. The PlayStation 4 provides decent performance for the relatively small sum of $400, making it the cheapest option for those who still want good graphics. The Xbox One costs 25% more than the PlayStation 4 at $500, while providing slightly weaker graphics. A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it. While a hand-built $500 gaming PC might not be top-of-the-line, it should provide adequate power to readily play most games released on next-gen consoles. In this category, the PS4 takes 1st place, followed by the XB1 in 2nd place and the PC in 3rd place. Peripherals Another important factor would be peripherals. Surprisingly, the PlayStation 4 seems to have a wider range of peripherals than the Xbox One; whereas the Xbox One only has Kinect in addition to its standard controller, the PlayStation 4 has the PlayStation Move, supports using the PlayStation Vita to play PlayStation 4 games, and soon will have "Project Morpheus" which will allow it to support virtual reality gaming. The PC, of course, blows the other two out of the water with the widest range of available peripherals ever. Too many to list, too many to count. PC takes 1st place, followed by the PS4 in 2nd and XB1 in 3rd. Library This is a little bit trickier than the other categories, but after I going through a complete list of games released on both next-gen consoles I have come to a conclusion. The Xbox One... has a better library than the PlayStation 4. It has far more relevant exclusives than the PlayStation 4 as of now. Objectively speaking, that is. Subjectively speaking, it depends on what you like. Don't take my word for it, go look at the libraries and come to your own conclusion. However, the library of the PC is superior to that of either consoles. It's not a fair comparison to make, as the PC has been around far longer and is the platform on which most games are developed, even among console developers. But still, PC takes 1st place, followed by the XB1 in 2nd and the PS3 in 3rd. Secondary Uses And by "secondary uses", I am referring to doing things other than gaming. The Xbox One, proclaimed by Microsoft to be an "all-in-one entertainment system", allows for the watching of TV, using Skype, browsing the web, watching video and listening to music, also coming with a built-in Blu-ray player. The PlayStation 4 is also capable of many of these things, though to a more limited extent. The PC, being a PC, is far superior to both consoles when it comes to non-gaming uses. Very few other devices are needed if you have a good PC. The PC takes 1st place in this category, followed by the XB1 in 2nd place and the PS4 in 3rd place. Ease of Use Consoles, by their nature, are usually easier to use than PCs. I can't actually say for certain whether the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are easier to use than the PC, and I can't compare the two consoles as that would require owning both of them, but I'm going to go off on a limb and guess that the PC takes 3rd place, or 2nd place if the two consoles are tied, based on past experience with other consoles. None of them are particularly difficult to use, though. I would continue, but that would require me owning both next-gen consoles. Also, I'm close to the character limit. And I am being totally unbiased. Totally. Unbiased. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1442	Posted - 2014.05.14 10:55:00 - [2] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it] Is that so? http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-18/pd.aspx All Alienware products are overpriced. They shouldn't even be taken seriously. To put it in perspective, a hand-built desktop PC with similar performance would be closer to $600. Maybe less. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1442	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:05:00 - [3] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it] Is that so? http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-18/pd.aspx All Alienware products are overpriced. They shouldn't even be taken seriously. To put it in perspective, a hand-built desktop PC with similar performance would be closer to $600. Maybe less. The best gaming laptop/desktop on the market and should not be taken seriously? Thats a new one.. If you think that's the best gaming PC on the market, you've been misled. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1442	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:08:00 - [4] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Whats the best gaming pc/laptop out there? The ones that you build yourself. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1442	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:09:00 - [5] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: You say Xbox One has the better library, but from what I could find just now Wiki seems to be saying Xbox One currently has 42 games (9 exclusives) while the PS4 currently has 71 games (10 exclusives). Only based on that I can't really see how the Xbox One can have the better library. Furthermore, Wiki also says there's far more PS4 games currently planned (exclusives too) than Xbox One games. Of course you could be talking about the quality of the games released, but that will always be your own opinion only. A lot of those games most people haven't even heard of. I'm talking about relevant titles, after all. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1442	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:17:00 - [6] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Whats the best gaming pc/laptop out there? The ones that you build yourself. You can build your own Alienware like most other PC-¦s. What are you talking about? No, what are you talking about? Choosing which parts you want does not constitute "building". Bendtner92 wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: A lot of those games most people haven't even heard of. I'm talking about relevant titles, after all. So you're excluding certain games based on your own opinion then? Hardly objective then. Not my opinion, the opinion of the masses. Totally different. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1455	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:40:00 - [7] - Quote Thurak1 wrote: you also forgot a couple of factors. How much would it cost to build a pc that can perform just as well as a ps4? And here I thought that was included in the "Cost" category. Thurak1 wrote: And 1 are that a console will always win in. Anti cheat technology. Sony and MS lock down the OS making cheating on either console very difficult. Cheating on a PC will always be easy by comparison. Personally, I've never encountered any cheating problems in an online PC game. And since I don't own a PS4 and XB1, I don't know how prevalent cheating and exploits are on those, either. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1456	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:52:00 - [8] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: snip Come now, Ryme, do you really believe the PlayStation 4 is that powerful? Give me proof that the PlayStation 4 is that powerful in practice rather than theory and I'll change my mind. Surt gods end wrote: using your 6 criteria it comes down yet again to "library" which is ones own personal tatse. which if it's consoles for the better exclusives IMO, as both a PC and console gamer. sorry, mmo and moba and indies don't do it for me. That leaves it 3-3. tie. lol Most console games are not exclusive to the console. Even games that are exclusive to one console are usually also available on the PC. Not to mention the PC has a massive amount of old titles that are still great, as well as new strategy titles which almost never come to consoles. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1456	Posted - 2014.05.14 11:56:00 - [9] - Quote Bendtner92 wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Come now, Ryme, do you really believe the PlayStation 4 is that powerful? Give me proof that the PlayStation 4 is that powerful in practice rather than theory and I'll change my mind. As he said, those truly great games will come in a few years once the developers are familiar enough with the console just like on the PS3 with The Last of Us for example. We'll just have to wait and see, then. Though I think the PS3 is a bad example. It was originally sold at (adjusted for inflation) twice as much as the PS4 and at a loss because the hardware was so expensive. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1457	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:02:00 - [10] - Quote Surt gods end wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: snip Come now, Ryme, do you really believe the PlayStation 4 is that powerful? Give me proof that the PlayStation 4 is that powerful in practice rather than theory and I'll change my mind. Wait to E3. Graphics tho I always give to my rig mind you against ps3 and xbox 360. later on I think I might have to upgrade for her to keep up with the ps4. Infamous and kz4 teased a bit what the ps4 can do, and that is far from that system hitting it's peak. IMO tho Consoles always got the better exclusives. As you would disregard indie games and strategy games, I can see why you think that. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.

Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1458	Posted - 2014.05.14 12:11:00 - [11] - Quote Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: snip Come now, Ryme, do you really believe the PlayStation 4 is that powerful? Give me proof that the PlayStation 4 is that powerful in practice rather than theory and I'll change my mind. Well PS2 will be at 1080p and max settings. That's more than 90% of PCs can manage. You might say 'that's because PS2 is horribly optimized on PC', but that's the whole point. It is simply not economic to put a lot of optimization effort into every PC hardware/software combination. 90% of PCs and 90% of gaming PCs are two very different things, Herr Ryme. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1480	Posted - 2014.05.14 15:53:00 - [12] - Quote Fine, guys. I fixed my comments on the game library of each platform. Happy now? I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1536	Posted - 2014.05.15 03:04:00 - [13] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Ryme Intrinseca wrote: Additionally, there are hardware advantages to PS4 that you've ignored - for instance, 8GB of shared GDDR5 and an extremely fast pipeline throughout the system. You can easily get higher teraflop counts on PC GPUs but you can not access all of that advantage as there are typically bottlenecks elsewhere in the system. Right now this is not such an issue, but most AAA games coming out in two years time will have been designed from the ground up with PS4-like architecture in mind. Yes, the PS4 has 8GB of GDDR5 but still uses a APU that delivers about 1.84 TFLOPS performance (or roughly the equalivant of a 7870) and would have been the pinnicle of console gaming had the PS4 launched four years ago instead of November last year. Now, fast forward to May 2014 and we have two "next-gen" consoles from M$ and Sony that despite the hardware advantages that you mention continue to underperform, underdeliver and ultimately disappoint. Lastly, PS4-like architecture? LOL! PS4 architecture is being used in next gen cards and the unified memory is ahead of its time, games aren't using unified memory in PC. The PS4 architecture changed how graphics cards will be built from now on. Maybe, but chances are that it won't. I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.
Ulysses Knapse Knapse and Co. Mercenary Firm 1537	Posted - 2014.05.15 03:24:00 - [14] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Ender Storm wrote: Also, please dont spin around the "8 gb ddr5" card around, thats just hype mostly. The GDDR5 graphic card has 73.6 GB/s bandwidth while the GDDR3 has only 25.6 GB/s. The Radeon 7750 is a perfect example of this. This desktop card comes in two flavors: DDR3 and GDDR5. Speed and bandwidth make a big difference, it can be overcome and in some cases GDDR5 latency makes it perform worse but for the most part 5 is better than 3. Directionally, Microsoft says each operation (read, write) is capped at 109 GB/s but by mixing reads and writes, real world performance of 130-140 GB/s can be achieved. This isn't signficantly worse than the 176 GB/s theoretical performance of the PS4 over its 256-bit bus. - See more at: http://www.dailytech.com/Microsoft+Claims+Xbox+One+Can+Make+Due+With+Faster+GPU+Less+Compute+Units/article33506.htm I would like to note that there's no real reason to have RAM that goes 176GB/s. Also, something that will be exclusive to PCs for a while: http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/DDR4 I am become Legion, the destroyer of bunnies.