DUST Search - An Unbiased Look At: PC vs. XB1 vs. PS4

Ulysses Knapse wrote:

There's been a lot of debate over which is the superior platform, so I'm here to give you an unbiased look at the differences between the PC and the two major next-gen consoles.

Graphics
First off, let's compare the graphics between the three consoles. The PlayStation 4 consistently provides higher resolution for the same framerate over the Xbox One, and the numbers show why: the GPU of the PlayStation 4 has a theoretical peak performance of 1.84 teraflops, compared to the theoretical peak performance of 1.31 teraflops of the Xbox One. The PC is undoubtedly the strongest of the three, however, with many graphics cards easily exceeding those numbers. The PC takes 1st place in this category, followed by the PS4 in 2nd place and the XB1 in 3rd place.

Cost of Platform
Perhaps more important to some than graphics is cost. The PlayStation 4 provides decent performance for the relatively small sum of $400, making it the cheapest option for those who still want good graphics. The Xbox One costs 25% more than the PlayStation 4 at $500, while providing slightly weaker graphics. A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it. While a hand-built $500 gaming PC might not be top-of-the-line, it should provide adequate power to readily play most games released on next-gen consoles. In this category, the PS4 takes 1st place, followed by the XB1 in 2nd place and the PC in 3rd place.

Peripherals
Another important factor would be peripherals. Surprisingly, the PlayStation 4 seems to have a wider range of peripherals than the Xbox One; whereas the Xbox One only has Kinect in addition to its standard controller, the PlayStation 4 has the PlayStation Move, supports using the PlayStation Vita to play PlayStation 4 games, and soon will have "Project Morpheus" which will allow it to support virtual reality gaming. The PC, of course, blows the other two out of the water with the widest range of available peripherals ever. Too many to list, too many to count. PC takes 1st place, followed by the PS4 in 2nd and XB1 in 3rd.

Library
PC wins, hands down. Neither console comes close.

Secondary Uses
And by "secondary uses", I am referring to doing things other than gaming. The Xbox One, proclaimed by Microsoft to be an "all-in-one entertainment system", allows for the watching of TV, using Skype, browsing the web, watching video and listening to music, also coming with a built-in Blu-ray player. The PlayStation 4 is also capable of many of these things, though to a more limited extent. The PC, being a PC, is far superior to both consoles when it comes to non-gaming uses. Very few other devices are needed if you have a good PC. The PC takes 1st place in this category, followed by the XB1 in 2nd place and the PS4 in 3rd place.

Ease of Use
Consoles, by their nature, are usually easier to use than PCs. I can't actually say for certain whether the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are easier to use than the PC, and I can't compare the two consoles as that would require owning both of them, but I'm going to go off on a limb and guess that the PC takes 3rd place, or 2nd place if the two consoles are tied, based on past experience with other consoles. None of them are particularly difficult to use, though.

I would continue, but that would require me owning both next-gen consoles. Also, I'm close to the character limit.

And I am being totally unbiased. Totally. Unbiased.

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The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2546	Posted - 2014.05.15 04:56:00 - [91] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Cat Merc wrote: Just so you guys know, the PC vs PS3 situation was totally different than the PC vs PS4 situation. The PS3 WAS stronger than any gaming PC of the time hands down, you literally COULD NOT build a gaming PC stronger than a PS3. The reason for that is that the super components that only the rich people could buy did not exist. There was no GTX Titan, R9 295x, etc'. Hardware was made to be somewhat affordable, you wouldn't see a graphics card for 1000$. (Consumer graphics cards that is) In the current market, the consoles simply cannot compete unless they bring on ridiculous price tags, bordering on 800$ - 1000$. If Sony had followed through with their vision of a cell in all their electronics then then in the PS4 then it would be unstoppable now but they gave up on the cell. The CELL is incredibly hard to code for, and would not magically make the console stronger. It's an architecture from 10 years ago. I understand that it is hard to code for. They wanted to put cells in all their electronics and have distributed computing power. A cell in your blueray, PS, PC, TV, stereo, and what ever else all working together as one big supercomputer. It would have turned every home with some Sony products into a big computer. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Jungian Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 123	Posted - 2014.05.15 05:10:00 - [92] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: It would have turned every home with some Sony products into a big computer. Absolutely a grand idea. http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/09/military-purchases-2200-ps3s/ Hence why buying a bunch of them does a lot of good in some cases. Too much value for money. CCP COMMUNITY SPOTLIGHT: RND_Jungian
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2546	Posted - 2014.05.15 05:18:00 - [93] - Quote The Jungian wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: It would have turned every home with some Sony products into a big computer. Absolutely a grand idea. http://scitech.blogs.cnn.com/2009/12/09/military-purchases-2200-ps3s/ Hence why buying a bunch of them does a lot of good in some cases. Too much value for money. Nice article. I can't find where I read what SONY wanted to do but I remember reading it or hearing it in a speech they gave about the cell. I know how to program a mirco processor in machine language and I can tell you that the cell is a supercomputer on a chip just from looking at the architecture on paper. There were a lot of colledges that bought PS3s to use as supercomputers becasue they were cheap when compare to paying for supercomputers by the hour. http://phys.org/news148749271.html http://www.bbc.com/news/technology-11168150 http://www.forbes.com/sites/johnfarrell/2014/05/12/modeling-black-holes-with-sony-playstations-the-next-challenge/ Computing has changed but the cell is still a powerhouse when properly coded for. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
The Jungian Brutor Vanguard Minmatar Republic 125	Posted - 2014.05.15 05:22:00 - [94] - Quote Yes, the Cell is indeed powerful but coders struggled with it which is a damn shame. Naughty Dog managed to squeeze out directx 11 like effects by using the Cell outside the gpu. I would say The Last of Us is a testament to this as well. For a game on a 7 year old console it truly looked like it was on a todays PC. Cell is clearly underrated, but just not favorred. CCP COMMUNITY SPOTLIGHT: RND_Jungian
Velociraptor antirrhopus Kang Lo Directorate Gallente Federation 33	Posted - 2014.05.15 05:42:00 - [95] - Quote What a lot of you people trying to convince console gamers to become PC gamers don't understand, is that a LOT of us will be buying a PS4 or X1 just for Kingdom Hearts 3 alone, as well as the other console-exclusive games. Also the whole "graphics are better, more games to play, etc." argument for the PC just doesn't really knock a gamer like me off his feet. You've got to understand there's a lot of people like me who are just as happy playing classic Game Boy games as they are new, fancy ones. GûéGûäGûà /Gûî /Gûî /Gûî Gûî GûêGûêGûàGûâGûé IGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûêGûê] GùÑGèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGû¦GèÖGùñn++
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2547	Posted - 2014.05.15 05:59:00 - [96] - Quote Velociraptor antirrhopus wrote: What a lot of you people trying to convince console gamers to become PC gamers don't understand, is that a LOT of us will be buying a PS4 or X1 just for Kingdom Hearts 3 alone, as well as the other console-exclusive games. Also the whole "graphics are better, more games to play, etc." argument for the PC just doesn't really knock a gamer like me off his feet. You've got to understand there's a lot of people like me who are just as happy playing classic Game Boy games as they are new, fancy ones. KH is a great game. I have played all of them and they never disappoint. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Nyctohylophobia Kinsho Swords Caldari State 48	Posted - 2014.05.15 06:21:00 - [97] - Quote The Robot Devil wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: The PC is the wins in power every time if you have the money to spend on high end components. The PC is more versitile and can do more everyday things but is more expensive to use while gaming. Higher end cards pull like 150W while gaming and that doesn't include the rest of the system. PCs are more cumbersome and are not a nice to look at or as compact as consoles so connecting them to the big screen is ugly and usually takes up much more space. With PCs all is not included. Gaming mice and keyboards offer better performance, head sets and speakers are needed and a monitor is expensive if you don't have a nice one or can't connect it to your TV. Even then the extra cord needed to connect to the TV is another price and some TV may not have enough inputs to accommodate the extra cord. The Blueray player is another component that will cost extra if compared to a standard DVD in lots of PCs. Do you want me to pick your argument apart piece for piece? And where the actual **** did you learn English? I mean, I am not natively English speaking but holy jumping shitballs! Sorry my English doesn't hold up to yours. Please feel free to pick my argument apart, it will be fun for both of us. A PC doesn't need to come in a big tower, you can get a lot of performance into a case like the Fractal Design Node 304 using the mITX form factor and while it is not as compact as as a console, it is not cumbersome either. The Node 304's minimalistic design makes it blend in next to my reciever sitting in my TV bench under the 50" Panasonic and serves as my Steambox, HTPC and emulatorbox. As for cables, I use a HDMI cable to the TV and a optical to my reciever. Aside from a cheap, spill proof keyboard and a really old Logitech MX518, I use two wired Xbox 360 controllers. Media gets streamed from FreeNAS box that sits in a closet in the basement over a wired gigabit network and I download games from Steam at 10mbit\s. Want specs on my Node 304?
The Robot Devil Brave Bunnies Brave Collective 2547	Posted - 2014.05.15 06:53:00 - [98] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: The Robot Devil wrote: The PC is the wins in power every time if you have the money to spend on high end components. The PC is more versitile and can do more everyday things but is more expensive to use while gaming. Higher end cards pull like 150W while gaming and that doesn't include the rest of the system. PCs are more cumbersome and are not a nice to look at or as compact as consoles so connecting them to the big screen is ugly and usually takes up much more space. With PCs all is not included. Gaming mice and keyboards offer better performance, head sets and speakers are needed and a monitor is expensive if you don't have a nice one or can't connect it to your TV. Even then the extra cord needed to connect to the TV is another price and some TV may not have enough inputs to accommodate the extra cord. The Blueray player is another component that will cost extra if compared to a standard DVD in lots of PCs. Do you want me to pick your argument apart piece for piece? And where the actual **** did you learn English? I mean, I am not natively English speaking but holy jumping shitballs! Sorry my English doesn't hold up to yours. Please feel free to pick my argument apart, it will be fun for both of us. A PC doesn't need to come in a big tower, you can get a lot of performance into a case like the Fractal Design Node 304 using the mITX form factor and while it is not as compact as as a console, it is not cumbersome either. The Node 304's minimalistic design makes it blend in next to my reciever sitting in my TV bench under the 50" Panasonic and serves as my Steambox, HTPC and emulatorbox. As for cables, I use a HDMI cable to the TV and a optical to my reciever. Aside from a cheap, spill proof keyboard and a really old Logitech MX518, I use two wired Xbox 360 controllers. Media gets streamed from FreeNAS box that sits in a closet in the basement over a wired gigabit network and I download games from Steam at 10mbit\s. Want specs on my Node 304? Fractal is a cool name and yes you can get a compact case but they are more costly than a traditional case and they are still 2 - 4 times larger than a console. I am not trying to be a douche but $100 just for the case is 25% of the price of a console that is all the things I listed earlier. Consoles are made to be small and to be put in entertainment centers and have a small footprint. I use my laptop all the time on my TV and it isn't as big as my PS3 and it does all the same things as my PS3 except play PS games but it was expensive when it was released four or five years ago. My only point is that consoles are more bang for your buck when talking about gaming and are easier on the eyes as part of an entertainment system. I stream from my PC to my PS3; any audio, video or picture on my desktop is easily streamed to my PS3 or my VITA. I don't know how the PS4 is with streaming and connectivity to a PC but for the most part my PS3 can do whatever I want when it comes to entertainment with the exception of PC games. I am not trying to take away from a PC because I do think they are vastly superior in almost every way if you have the cash to spend but generally you will get more out of a console for the price. PSs are designed to do what they do and they do it well and yes a PC out performs them but at a cost. In my eyes a console is more affordable and more user friendly for younger people, people who don't have the cash for a mid to upper range PC or are lacking in space in the living room or travel often. Their are always exceptions but generally speaking consoles are most power for the price you pay. "One of God's own prototypes. A high-powered mutant of some kind never even considered for mass production." Raoul Duke
Gemini Cuspid Amarr Templars Amarr Empire 55	Posted - 2014.05.15 07:46:00 - [99] - Quote Frankly the posts and arguments have been a bit over the top. My PC would still be about $1k+ to build right now so I won't go into it. I did recently build a small gaming rig for my nephew for about $400 so I know its feasible. However PC gaming is NOT ALWAYS THE BEST and I think it really takes someone who has experience with all platforms to get that type of outlook. The PC gives me performance, power and really the reliability to buy any game for years to come but it's also currently the highest costing platform to game on overall if I simply tried to do the "best cost of having title X on the PC". I'll get more into this later but overall my desktop is my mmo, graphics design and work-at-home device. My Playstation is my main console unit more so than my brothers PS4; the PS Plus is the SOLE reason for this; in the half year I've had my membership have gotten Batman Arkham Asylum, Borderlands 2, Tomb Raider, Remember Me, Dragon's Dogma (to name a few titles) as part of my below $35 year sub fee. Whether I use Steam, aftermarket or gamefly I still paid far less. Having to pay $35 a year to do this is a good deal and the ability to demo some games for longer periods than what is available is great plus. It's also why I game mostly on the PS3, price wise its cheaper. If you think about gaming like a printer, the printer itself is the platform you're using (ie. PC, PS or Xbox) and the ink the games. In my case, the ink is cheapest for Playstation basically. On the Xbox it's the gold subscription that irks me the most and only now having availability to Netflix and Hulu was a huge pain before. Also, even if cross platform titles were better looking on the Xbox, paying for it and the xbox gold was less than worth it. I ended up giving it away to my nephew. That's really why I never looked at the whole Legion topic as PC versus Playstaiton; it's really has been a case for me of how Legion is going to be made and how it's hard to even trust as a game. It's built on ideas for Dust that haven't even proven effective and viable for Dust but we're still going to incorporate it into Legion? Add to the fact that it's going to initially decrease the playerbase with the number of ppl who will abandon it and then, if it's still like Dust's current model for new player growth, still no find a way to add more players it's even more mind boggling. And if you stick to the concept that with the PC they can update things faster then it'd make more sense to have waited and created a planning phase first then move onto the coding phase and start with UE4 because it allows for faster updates and easier coding. All of these points are beyond the "PC versus PS" argument; these are realistic problems that CCP hasn't shown at some level to be able to evolve from; we might still have proto stomping in more significant fashion in legion and that won't help the game grow overall and lobotomizing the PS3 gamers who only game on the PS3 and/or will not support Legion because of the recent events can't help CCP either.
meri jin Goonfeet Special Planetary Emergency Response Group 1007	Posted - 2014.05.15 08:35:00 - [100] - Quote Ulysses Knapse wrote: There's been a lot of debate over which is the superior platform, so I'm here to give you an unbiased look at the differences between the PC and the two major next-gen consoles. Graphics First off, let's compare the graphics between the three consoles. The PlayStation 4 consistently provides higher resolution for the same framerate over the Xbox One, and the numbers show why: the GPU of the PlayStation 4 has a theoretical peak performance of 1.84 teraflops, compared to the theoretical peak performance of 1.31 teraflops of the Xbox One. The PC is undoubtedly the strongest of the three, however, with many graphics cards easily exceeding those numbers. The PC takes 1st place in this category, followed by the PS4 in 2nd place and the XB1 in 3rd place. *Cost of Platform* Perhaps more important to some than graphics is cost. The PlayStation 4 provides decent performance for the relatively small sum of $400, making it the cheapest option for those who still want good graphics. The Xbox One costs 25% more than the PlayStation 4 at $500, while providing slightly weaker graphics. A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it. While a hand-built $500 gaming PC might not be top-of-the-line, it should provide adequate power to readily play most games released on next-gen consoles. In this category, the PS4 takes 1st place, followed by the XB1 in 2nd place and the PC in 3rd place. Peripherals Another important factor would be peripherals. Surprisingly, the PlayStation 4 seems to have a wider range of peripherals than the Xbox One; whereas the Xbox One only has Kinect in addition to its standard controller, the PlayStation 4 has the PlayStation Move, supports using the PlayStation Vita to play PlayStation 4 games, and soon will have "Project Morpheus" which will allow it to support virtual reality gaming. The PC, of course, blows the other two out of the water with the widest range of available peripherals ever. Too many to list, too many to count. PC takes 1st place, followed by the PS4 in 2nd and XB1 in 3rd. Library PC wins, hands down. Neither console comes close. Secondary Uses And by "secondary uses", I am referring to doing things other than gaming. The Xbox One, proclaimed by Microsoft to be an "all-in-one entertainment system", allows for the watching of TV, using Skype, browsing the web, watching video and listening to music, also coming with a built-in Blu-ray player. The PlayStation 4 is also capable of many of these things, though to a more limited extent. The PC, being a PC, is far superior to both consoles when it comes to non-gaming uses. Very few other devices are needed if you have a good PC. The PC takes 1st place in this category, followed by the XB1 in 2nd place and the PS4 in 3rd place. Ease of Use Consoles, by their nature, are usually easier to use than PCs. I can't actually say for certain whether the PlayStation 4 and Xbox One are easier to use than the PC, and I can't compare the two consoles as that would require owning both of them, but I'm going to go off on a limb and guess that the PC takes 3rd place, or 2nd place if the two consoles are tied, based on past experience with other consoles. None of them are particularly difficult to use, though. I would continue, but that would require me owning both next-gen consoles. Also, I'm close to the character limit. And I am being totally unbiased. Totally. Unbiased. A PC have running costs and maintenance, don't forget to keep your drivers up to date, as well as anti vir systems (running costs), firewall, and patches. And don't forget the comfort, a lot of people are working on PCs, coming home just to sit again in front of a PC? Playing on a big TV on a couch is not always easy using a PC as well. R.I.P. Dust514 02 May 2014 EVE United

Roran Theron Bragian Order Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.05.15 08:49:00 - [101] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it] Is that so? http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-18/pd.aspx Didn't even need to click on the link to tell you that you need to learn more about computers. If you know anything about quality/pricing, you would laugh every time you saw an Alienware.
Roran Theron Bragian Order Amarr Empire 26	Posted - 2014.05.15 08:51:00 - [102] - Quote Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: Sir Petersen wrote: Ulysses Knapse wrote: A decent gaming PC can cost anywhere from $400 to $1,200 dollars depending on the kind of performance you want out of it] Is that so? http://www.dell.com/us/p/alienware-18/pd.aspx All Alienware products are overpriced. They shouldn't even be taken seriously. To put it in perspective, a hand-built desktop PC with similar performance would be closer to $600. Maybe less. The best gaming laptop/desktop on the market and should not be taken seriously? Thats a new one.. Because those are made by manufacturers, they are overpriced and shouldn't be taken seriously. Anything you find on the market you can build yourself for cheaper and even build a better one at that.
Dexter307 The Unholy Legion Of DarkStar 1578	Posted - 2014.05.15 16:37:00 - [103] - Quote Nyctohylophobia wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Nyctohylophobia wrote: Dexter307 wrote: Of the games I've played, console exclusive are of a higher quality. Because you have nothing to compare with on PC. Ive played PC games Not that big of a fan personally. Guess this is a good bye of sorts then as Legion is coming to PC and not potato station 4. Yep Destiny FTW

CCP Logibro C C P C C P Alliance 7583	Posted - 2014.05.15 17:30:00 - [104] - Quote Moved to The Locker Room. CCP Logibro // Patron Saint of Logistics // Distributor of Nanites (a¦á_a¦á)

Mary Lilac Namtar Elite Gallente Federation 446	Posted - 2014.05.15 17:37:00 - [105] - Quote Cat Merc wrote: Just so you guys know, the PC vs PS3 situation was totally different than the PC vs PS4 situation. The PS3 WAS stronger than any gaming PC of the time hands down, you literally COULD NOT build a gaming PC stronger than a PS3. The reason for that is that the super components that only the rich people could buy did not exist. There was no GTX Titan, R9 295x, etc'. Hardware was made to be somewhat affordable, you wouldn't see a graphics card for 1000$. (Consumer graphics cards that is) In the current market, the consoles simply cannot compete unless they bring on ridiculous price tags, bordering on 800$ - 1000$. Yes you could. The PS3 had a 7900GS in it, when it released you could just go out and buy a GeForce 8800 GTX for ~$600 that is handily faster. OF course raw power doesn't mean much when the platform will never be optimized to use that power. You could pair it with a Intel Core 2 Extreme QX6700 that would also handily crush the PS3. Ram would be no big issue as would HDD. You could absolutely make a computer that was way faster than a PS3 when it came out, Of course that PC would have been $2,000, and in the end the PS3 remained more relevant, and plays games in 2013 better than that setup does. IT cost about 1/3rd the price and you probably could have afforded another PS# just from electricity savings over then following 7 years. 1-800-345-SONY. PRESS 2 THEN 2. GET YOUR REFUND. RE-POST THIS IN YOUR SIG. Be polite, they want to refund you!


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