DUST Search - A question to the tanker community

Alena Ventrallis wrote:

SoTa PoP wrote:

MarasdF Loron wrote:

So...
1. You want tankers to give up Large Blaster Turrets or make them ineffective against infantry.
2. You want to be able to kill HAVs just as easily and fast as you kill other infantry.

So, in return...
1. Can we tankers have the ability to fit small turrets as main turret for our HAVs?
2. Can we tankers have the ability to drive HAVs indoors and in tight spaces generally?
3. Can we tankers have the ability to hack points and deploy/use equipment with our HAVs?
4. Can we tankers have the ability to turn our turrets and hulls as fast as you can turn your dropsuits and aim to all directions?

Or do you just want to take everything and give nothing in return?

So, which thing do you want us to give up and what are you willing to give back in return?
Pick 1-2 from each category (but the same amount of options from both).

Do you really believe this crap? I've been gone, away from the debates, but, really?

You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV.

One or the other, pick. Which is it?

Large blasters should be reworked as AV. But first, give me some more variety of vehicles to kill.

MILITIA tanks cost too little for their investment. A proto turret costs more than any kind of dropsuit you can fit in the game, not even including mods or the damn hull. This is the issue, and why tanks are occasionally spammed, although the amount has lessened as of late. I have built tanks on my infantry character with no SP investment that rival my proto tanks in effectiveness. Increase the price of the hull, while decreasing the price of turrets and modules, so that current proto tanks remain the same price, but militia tanks become more expensive.

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SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4708	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:23:00 - [1] - Quote MarasdF Loron wrote: So... 1. You want tankers to give up Large Blaster Turrets or make them ineffective against infantry. 2. You want to be able to kill HAVs just as easily and fast as you kill other infantry. So, in return... 1. Can we tankers have the ability to fit small turrets as main turret for our HAVs? 2. Can we tankers have the ability to drive HAVs indoors and in tight spaces generally? 3. Can we tankers have the ability to hack points and deploy/use equipment with our HAVs? 4. Can we tankers have the ability to turn our turrets and hulls as fast as you can turn your dropsuits and aim to all directions? Or do you just want to take everything and give nothing in return? So, which thing do you want us to give up and what are you willing to give back in return? Pick 1-2 from each category (but the same amount of options from both). Do you really believe this crap? I've been gone, away from the debates, but, really? You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
NAV HIV Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1639	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:33:00 - [2] - Quote - I know one guy will give you a link to 4 of his majestic threads... - Another will call you a scrub and say you are too scared to tank - Another one would come barking about tiericide - Some would yell Buff tanks and rails: Give more range and FG > Rails - Some would say nerf Swarms.... Because they deserve it and they should stay that way.... - Some say the Cost is Justified, Proto Rifles > SICA/SOMA (But NO it's balanced), Proto AV suit Cost is more than a decent tank and apparently you should have 4-5 AV users to take out one... Cause that is balanced... So If they have 5 tanks, you should have a team of 30 - The L33T tankers these days yelling about how balanced AV vs Tanks are right now.....LOL
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7503	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:36:00 - [3] - Quote I should not die, because I am a tank. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3528	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:37:00 - [4] - Quote Give me a proto vehicles first
NAV HIV Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1639	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:38:00 - [5] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Give me a proto vehicles first Give me a Proto AV to Counter that Proto Vehicle First
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 654	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:39:00 - [6] - Quote Meh, as long as i keep seeing +75+75+50(+50)+150 for shooting tanks I don't care what they or I end up having to do. Vehicle Damage points made me give a siht about shooting tanks again. Variety is already dead; you either proto to fight/stomp or BPO to grind isk. If not, you're lying.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7503	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:39:00 - [7] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Give me a proto vehicles first After you nerf just about every vehicle module, and buff AV; sure. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Takahiro Kashuken Red Star. EoN. 3530	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:40:00 - [8] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Give me a proto vehicles first Give me a Proto AV to Counter that Proto Vehicle First You already have that Proto breach/assault FG Same with swarms/RE/PE/PLC
Yoma Carrim Kinsho Swords Caldari State 465	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:41:00 - [9] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? Cheap? Cheap? How is a 518k Gunnlogi Cheap? Now if we're talking MLT tanks I'll give it to you, but SP intensive tanks aren't cheap. Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7503	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:43:00 - [10] - Quote Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Meh, as long as i keep seeing +75+75+50(+50)+150 for shooting tanks I don't care what they or I end up having to do. Vehicle Damage points made me give a siht about shooting tanks again. It's a good thing you don't participate in competitive game-modes. You being a FC would guarantee that your team gets cloned. Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND

Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 655	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:43:00 - [11] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? Cheap? Cheap? How is a 518k Gunnlogi Cheap? Now if we're talking MLT tanks I'll give it to you, but SP intensive tanks aren't cheap. Compared to the 2.5 million they used to run for the approximately same fitting, yes its cheap. Variety is already dead; you either proto to fight/stomp or BPO to grind isk. If not, you're lying.
Atiim Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 7503	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:44:00 - [12] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? Cheap? Cheap? How is a 518k Gunnlogi Cheap? Now if we're talking MLT tanks I'll give it to you, but SP intensive tanks aren't cheap. It's cheap in the same sense that Rankers say 215k AV suits are cheap... Proposed Mobile CRU Changes -HAND
Ridire Greine 427	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:45:00 - [13] - Quote You're a scrub thats too scared to tank! But really, I just want good Blaster V Blaster fights, Rail fights are so boring, whoever shoots first wins. If they were to remove Blasters I'd like to see them replaced by another Gallente turret, like a giant Shotgun or something! Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
Soldner VonKuechle SAM-MIK General Tso's Alliance 655	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:46:00 - [14] - Quote Atiim wrote: Soldner VonKuechle wrote: Meh, as long as i keep seeing +75+75+50(+50)+150 for shooting tanks I don't care what they or I end up having to do. Vehicle Damage points made me give a siht about shooting tanks again. It's a good thing you don't participate in competitive game-modes. You being a FC would guarantee that your team gets cloned. My FC'ing takes an actual serious, competitive approach...that the feral cats in my corp seem to ignore and focus on killing redberries instead of following orders. But for being an asshat, AVing is fun. Variety is already dead; you either proto to fight/stomp or BPO to grind isk. If not, you're lying.
Yoma Carrim Kinsho Swords Caldari State 465	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:47:00 - [15] - Quote Atiim wrote: Yoma Carrim wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? Cheap? Cheap? How is a 518k Gunnlogi Cheap? Now if we're talking MLT tanks I'll give it to you, but SP intensive tanks aren't cheap. It's cheap in the same sense that Rankers say 215k AV suits are cheap... =__= whoever said 215k suit is cheap needs their head checked. Oh Heck Logi, Tanker, Heavy
Maximos Forcus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 35	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:47:00 - [16] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? Are you saying ISK is the (only) measure relevant for balance? Three lefts don't make a right. Unless you're two dimensional and only know right angles.
Bax Zanith 129	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:47:00 - [17] - Quote I feel like CCP might be compincating. They only have militia and standard tanks, but we have militia to prototype. If tanks were balinced with what they have now, they would always be screwed over by proto swarms. A maddruger can handle our wakomi swarms because that is the highest level they can get; standard. The only way to get that AV V tank ballence is to introduc all racial vehical variants from militia to proto, than CCP can ballence accordingly. This is why I think the next big patch will be the vehical equivalent of 1.8. I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
NAV HIV Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1641	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:51:00 - [18] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Give me a proto vehicles first Give me a Proto AV to Counter that Proto Vehicle First You already have that Proto breach/assault FG Same with swarms/RE/PE/PLC LOL What ?! Those tickle monsters ?! lmfao
Galvan Nized Deep Space Republic 943	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:51:00 - [19] - Quote Takahiro Kashuken wrote: NAV HIV wrote: Takahiro Kashuken wrote: Give me a proto vehicles first Give me a Proto AV to Counter that Proto Vehicle First You already have that Proto breach/assault FG Same with swarms/RE/PE/PLC Did you seriously just consider Proxies and Plasma Cannons as viable ways to combat Pro tanks? Do tankers seriously believe this crap?
Ridire Greine 427	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:55:00 - [20] - Quote Forge Guns are actually great sources of AV, anyone who says otherwise doesn't use them. The thing that makes them great is that unlike other sources of AV you can target a tank's weakspot for a 160% Damage rating, nerfing tanks would only make tank Vs tank battles even worse. PLC needs a buff, and the SL needs a slight buff, and REs are great at what they do. Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.

SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4712	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:56:00 - [21] - Quote Yoma Carrim wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? Cheap? Cheap? How is a 518k Gunnlogi Cheap? Now if we're talking MLT tanks I'll give it to you, but SP intensive tanks aren't cheap. Your 518k tank Are you saying you refuse to use MLT tanks, just because? You can be just as effective in Soma or Sica at half the price, Why are you throwing away ISK then trying to claim tanks are balanced for it? Get out of my thread with this terrible logic. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4712	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:57:00 - [22] - Quote wait, what? REMOVE BLASTERS? Are you AV guys INSANE???????? n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Ridire Greine 427	Posted - 2014.04.30 15:58:00 - [23] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: wait, what? REMOVE BLASTERS? Are you AV guys INSANE???????? Giant Shotguns for tanks! \o/ Knight Soiaire Fatal Absolution Dirt Nap Squad.
SoTa PoP Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 4715	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:00:00 - [24] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Forge Guns are actually great sources of AV, anyone who says otherwise doesn't use them. The thing that makes them great is that unlike other sources of AV you can target a tank's weakspot for a 160% Damage rating, nerfing tanks would only make tank Vs tank battles even worse. PLC needs a buff, and the SL needs a slight buff, and REs are great at what they do. Then I don't use them because I don't agree. Forges have always been able to solo tanks - rightly so. We're slow fat guys anyone can take out, literally, tanks, ADS, infantry, we're vulnerable mofos ... but now rep tanks are invincible towards us. and in PC, you'll see a lot of em. n+ÅS¦¦Gùò GÇ+GÇ+ GùòS¦¦n++ I watch anime for the plot
Alena Ventrallis PAND3M0N1UM Top Men. 1240	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:00:00 - [25] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: So... 1. You want tankers to give up Large Blaster Turrets or make them ineffective against infantry. 2. You want to be able to kill HAVs just as easily and fast as you kill other infantry. So, in return... 1. Can we tankers have the ability to fit small turrets as main turret for our HAVs? 2. Can we tankers have the ability to drive HAVs indoors and in tight spaces generally? 3. Can we tankers have the ability to hack points and deploy/use equipment with our HAVs? 4. Can we tankers have the ability to turn our turrets and hulls as fast as you can turn your dropsuits and aim to all directions? Or do you just want to take everything and give nothing in return? So, which thing do you want us to give up and what are you willing to give back in return? Pick 1-2 from each category (but the same amount of options from both). Do you really believe this crap? I've been gone, away from the debates, but, really? You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? Large blasters should be reworked as AV. But first, give me some more variety of vehicles to kill. *MILITIA* tanks cost too little for their investment. A proto turret costs more than any kind of dropsuit you can fit in the game, not even including mods or the damn hull. This is the issue, and why tanks are occasionally spammed, although the amount has lessened as of late. I have built tanks on my infantry character with no SP investment that rival my proto tanks in effectiveness. Increase the price of the hull, while decreasing the price of turrets and modules, so that current proto tanks remain the same price, but militia tanks become more expensive. That's what you get!! - DA Rick
NAV HIV Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1642	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:01:00 - [26] - Quote Ridire Greine wrote: Forge Guns are actually great sources of AV, anyone who says otherwise doesn't use them. The thing that makes them great is that unlike other sources of AV you can target a tank's weakspot for a 160% Damage rating, nerfing tanks would only make tank Vs tank battles even worse. PLC needs a buff, and the SL needs a slight buff, and REs are great at what they do. RE's are not for Tanks... The fact that JLAV is the best AV right now, explains the balance between AV vs Tanks... I found a Madrugar last night, some blue dot left it there... I jumped in, pushed towards the redline... 3 guys were swarming it... After being hit 3 times, i jumped out and went to shoot the swarmers... With the help of other team mates i we killed those swarmers... Got back in the tank with FULL hp on it... Some balance that is...
NAV HIV Heaven's Lost Property Dirt Nap Squad. 1642	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:03:00 - [27] - Quote Alena Ventrallis wrote: SoTa PoP wrote: MarasdF Loron wrote: So... 1. You want tankers to give up Large Blaster Turrets or make them ineffective against infantry. 2. You want to be able to kill HAVs just as easily and fast as you kill other infantry. So, in return... 1. Can we tankers have the ability to fit small turrets as main turret for our HAVs? 2. Can we tankers have the ability to drive HAVs indoors and in tight spaces generally? 3. Can we tankers have the ability to hack points and deploy/use equipment with our HAVs? 4. Can we tankers have the ability to turn our turrets and hulls as fast as you can turn your dropsuits and aim to all directions? Or do you just want to take everything and give nothing in return? So, which thing do you want us to give up and what are you willing to give back in return? Pick 1-2 from each category (but the same amount of options from both). Do you really believe this crap? I've been gone, away from the debates, but, really? You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? Large blasters should be reworked as AV. But first, give me some more variety of vehicles to kill. *MILITIA* tanks cost too little for their investment. A proto turret costs more than any kind of dropsuit you can fit in the game, not even including mods or the damn hull. This is the issue, and why tanks are occasionally spammed, although the amount has lessened as of late. I have built tanks on my infantry character with no SP investment that rival my proto tanks in effectiveness. Increase the price of the hull, while decreasing the price of turrets and modules, so that current proto tanks remain the same price, but militia tanks become more expensive. How much is a Proto turret again ?! My maddy with Neutron blaster (Dont jump your gun yet, i know its not proto) 2 Enhanced armor reps 1 Enhanced armor hardener 1 Fuel injector and sometimes damage mod costs about 176k My scout suit with 249 Total ehp costs me 186k....
KenKaniff69 Fatal Absolution 2371	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:04:00 - [28] - Quote AV is plenty effective with the hardener nerf. I wish the hardeners wouldnt have nerfed and rather AV just gotten a straight buff. Vehicle on vehicle combat is extremely imbalanced now. The problem with tanks
Bax Zanith 129	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:04:00 - [29] - Quote SoTa PoP wrote: wait, what? REMOVE BLASTERS? Are you AV guys INSANE???????? I'm not saying "let's do this highly irrational idea," but how would you feel if it was replaced by a slow firing morter capable of one shoting infentry and deal a large amount of damage in a large radios? I'd say walk in my shoes for a day, but you probably still won't understand.
Maximos Forcus BurgezzE.T.F General Tso's Alliance 35	Posted - 2014.04.30 16:05:00 - [30] - Quote NAV HIV wrote: Ridire Greine wrote: Forge Guns are actually great sources of AV, anyone who says otherwise doesn't use them. The thing that makes them great is that unlike other sources of AV you can target a tank's weakspot for a 160% Damage rating, nerfing tanks would only make tank Vs tank battles even worse. PLC needs a buff, and the SL needs a slight buff, and REs are great at what they do. RE's are not for Tanks... The fact that JLAV is the best AV right now, explains the balance between AV vs Tanks... I found a Madrugar last night, some blue dot left it there... I jumped in, pushed towards the redline... 3 guys were swarming it... After being hit 3 times, i jumped out and went to shoot the swarmers... With the help of other team mates i we killed those swarmers... Got back in the tank with FULL hp on it... Some balance that is... ...so it had reppers. What is the point you are trying to make? I once got shot in my MLT heavy suit, hid behind cover a while, and everything was back to 100%. Unbalanced? Three lefts don't make a right. Unless you're two dimensional and only know right angles.



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