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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:23:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:So...
1. You want tankers to give up Large Blaster Turrets or make them ineffective against infantry.
2. You want to be able to kill HAVs just as easily and fast as you kill other infantry.
So, in return...
1. Can we tankers have the ability to fit small turrets as main turret for our HAVs?
2. Can we tankers have the ability to drive HAVs indoors and in tight spaces generally?
3. Can we tankers have the ability to hack points and deploy/use equipment with our HAVs?
4. Can we tankers have the ability to turn our turrets and hulls as fast as you can turn your dropsuits and aim to all directions?
Or do you just want to take everything and give nothing in return?
So, which thing do you want us to give up and what are you willing to give back in return?
Pick 1-2 from each category (but the same amount of options from both).
Do you really believe this crap? I've been gone, away from the debates, but, really?
You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV.
One or the other, pick. Which is it?
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:56:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:
You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV.
One or the other, pick. Which is it?
Cheap? Cheap? How is a 518k Gunnlogi Cheap? Now if we're talking MLT tanks I'll give it to you, but SP intensive tanks aren't cheap.
Your 518k tank
Are you saying you refuse to use MLT tanks, just because? You can be just as effective in Soma or Sica at half the price, Why are you throwing away ISK then trying to claim tanks are balanced for it?
Get out of my thread with this terrible logic.
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.04.30 15:57:00 -
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wait, what?
REMOVE BLASTERS?
Are you AV guys INSANE????????
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:00:00 -
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Ridire Greine wrote:Forge Guns are actually great sources of AV, anyone who says otherwise doesn't use them.
The thing that makes them great is that unlike other sources of AV you can target a tank's weakspot for a 160% Damage rating, nerfing tanks would only make tank Vs tank battles even worse.
PLC needs a buff, and the SL needs a slight buff, and REs are great at what they do.
Then I don't use them because I don't agree.
Forges have always been able to solo tanks - rightly so. We're slow fat guys anyone can take out, literally, tanks, ADS, infantry, we're vulnerable mofos
... but now rep tanks are invincible towards us. and in PC, you'll see a lot of em.
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:16:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:
You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV.
One or the other, pick. Which is it?
Cheap? Cheap? How is a 518k Gunnlogi Cheap? Now if we're talking MLT tanks I'll give it to you, but SP intensive tanks aren't cheap. Your 518k tank Are you saying you refuse to use MLT tanks, just because? You can be just as effective in Soma or Sica at half the price, Why are you throwing away ISK then trying to claim tanks are balanced for it? Get out of my thread with this terrible logic. No I don't refuse to run MLT tanks, I have a blaster fit sica i like to derp around in if I'm board, but I don't find them as effective. Dangers when fit as a glass cannon yes but not nearly as survivable if someone jumps you.
You just aren't good then and need the crutch ISK can offer a tank.
It's really that simple. Don't use that as a logical basis for this debate. MLT tanks are imbalanced. Proto AV cannot solo MLT tanks.
That is not right. If anyone can hop into these things, then someone whose thrown millions of SP to deal with them should be able to walk all over them.
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:23:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:Darken-Sol wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:
You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV.
One or the other, pick. Which is it?
Cheap? Cheap? How is a 518k Gunnlogi Cheap? Now if we're talking MLT tanks I'll give it to you, but SP intensive tanks aren't cheap. 1.7 tankers think 500k is expensive. Proto turrets alone used to be over a mil. Wrong. Proto turrets used to be around 600k for the basic one and the "best" specialized one used to be 927k or so.
edit: Oh, actually, you're right. :3
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:26:00 -
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lol I had a brain fart. I did use tanks back in the day, but only as tests. I remember being broke all day long.
My bad xD
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:31:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:lol I had a brain fart. I did use tanks back in the day, but only as tests. I remember being broke all day long.
My bad xD I don't think you still got the point tho... Think harder, please, I know you can do it.  Would not like to tell it to everyone here tho. Not "in your face" anyway.
Is your argument a switch of gears to discuss proto level tanks?
Because, on that subject, I will claim ignorance an unable to speak. If they are balanced or not - I cannot say. I can only say MLT tanks are imbalanced
*Didn't re-read anything, just trying to remember what you wrote and see if I can hit the nail, If I'm wrong say so and i'll properly respond
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:39:00 -
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MarasdF Loron wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:lol I had a brain fart. I did use tanks back in the day, but only as tests. I remember being broke all day long.
My bad xD I don't think you still got the point tho... Think harder, please, I know you can do it. Would not like to tell it to everyone here tho. Not "in your face" anyway. Is your argument a switch of gears to discuss proto level tanks? Because, on that subject, I will claim ignorance an unable to speak. If they are balanced or not - I cannot say. I can only say MLT tanks are imbalanced *Didn't re-read anything, just trying to remember what you wrote and see if I can hit the nail, If I'm wrong say so and i'll properly respond I'll give you a hint, I will always be a vehicle pilot because I just freaking love vehicles generally (not just in this game), no matter how much they will be nerfed or buffed (more likely nerfed). The effectiveness is not why I use them...
Sounds like why I'm a heavy. I'd probably be a much stronger Scout player, but I choose heavy because I say so. It's a general love for being able to take damage and keep moving, I always play a Tank. Or my RTS strategies revolves around higher-tech armies,
*Am I switching subjects? maybe I should go re-read lol*
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 16:49:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:
I didn't say MLT tanks were balanced or that Proto AV could solo them. I simply asked how you considered a 518k tank Cheap (You have yet to answer this question by the way).
I didn't even enter the AV vs HAV debate because it is not balanced and everyone knows it.
It was my fault you responded the way you did, I should of been clear I meant there was something wrong with tanks lower-tier costs.
Sorry for jumping on you when I was the one being unclear.
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 17:07:00 -
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Yoma Carrim wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Yoma Carrim wrote:
I didn't say MLT tanks were balanced or that Proto AV could solo them. I simply asked how you considered a 518k tank Cheap (You have yet to answer this question by the way).
I didn't even enter the AV vs HAV debate because it is not balanced and everyone knows it.
It was my fault you responded the way you did, I should of been clear I meant there was something wrong with tanks lower-tier costs. Sorry for jumping on you when I was the one being unclear. Its ok I figured it was something like that
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:07:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:really, even one of the biggest trolls has gotten serious for once to talk about tanking?
this issue has gotten worse than before is sota poop is putting his 2 cents in it.
Has it not gone stupid?
Tankers, you're hurting NPE. Quit your **** and pick one. I should of mentioned I only speak of lower tiered tank prices. That's what's harmful with tanks right now.
There ratio of effectiveness with AV drastically goes higher at proto - but so what? That's the point. In strategic game modes they aren't a huge factor anyways, they can hold outside point 'sometimes' they're easily countered. So they're considered balanced.
But MLT is NOT.
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:11:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Void Echo wrote:really, even one of the biggest trolls has gotten serious for once to talk about tanking?
this issue has gotten worse than before is sota poop is putting his 2 cents in it. Has it not gone stupid? Tankers, you're hurting NPE. Quit your **** and pick one. I should of mentioned I only speak of lower tiered tank prices. That's what's harmful with tanks right now. There ratio of effectiveness with AV drastically goes higher at proto - but so what? That's the point. In strategic game modes they aren't a huge factor anyways, they can hold outside point 'sometimes' they're easily countered. So they're considered balanced. But MLT is NOT. Tankers aren't hurting the game, its the people that want them gone and to turn this into gall of duty that are hurting this game. the universe doesn't revolve around infantry. MLT tanks I couldn't care less about, they require nothing to use and should be treated and like such. they should have their effectiveness cut down because they are the lowest tier available. price remains the same but effectiveness is cut.
Tanks are completely fine regarding anything out of MLT.
Besides rep tank maddys - that's a little dumb.
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.04.30 18:28:00 -
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Void Echo wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Void Echo wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Void Echo wrote:really, even one of the biggest trolls has gotten serious for once to talk about tanking?
this issue has gotten worse than before is sota poop is putting his 2 cents in it. Has it not gone stupid? Tankers, you're hurting NPE. Quit your **** and pick one. I should of mentioned I only speak of lower tiered tank prices. That's what's harmful with tanks right now. There ratio of effectiveness with AV drastically goes higher at proto - but so what? That's the point. In strategic game modes they aren't a huge factor anyways, they can hold outside point 'sometimes' they're easily countered. So they're considered balanced. But MLT is NOT. Tankers aren't hurting the game, its the people that want them gone and to turn this into gall of duty that are hurting this game. the universe doesn't revolve around infantry. MLT tanks I couldn't care less about, they require nothing to use and should be treated and like such. they should have their effectiveness cut down because they are the lowest tier available. price remains the same but effectiveness is cut. Tanks are completely fine regarding anything out of MLT. Besides rep tank maddys - that's a little dumb. Well, that's the fitting that is surviving, you can't expect everyone to change to a fitting that will let you kill them in less than 5 seconds or so. come one that's unreasonable. Dropsuits can have up to 3 self rep modules and nobody is complaining about that, why should tanks be any different?
uhm... you're saying it's okay for a fit to exist that no infantry can possibly take under any circumstance? This is still a 16 vs 16 game..........
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.04.30 20:19:00 -
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Guys, it's a tank that nothing any single infantry can possibly do about.
There is no other fitting in this entire game to do this, the forge is designed to be a hard counter, while the swarms is more the way for infantry to give a light counter.
A hard counter should NEVER EVER ******* BE RENDERED USELESS AGAINST ITS INTDED ******* TARGET. ARE YOU ******* STUPID?!?!
Thank you for listening. :)
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.04.30 20:30:00 -
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Atiim wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Guys, it's a tank that nothing any single infantry can possibly do about.
There is no other fitting in this entire game to do this, the forge is designed to be a hard counter, while the swarms is more the way for infantry to give a light counter.
A hard counter should NEVER EVER ******* BE RENDERED USELESS AGAINST ITS INTDED ******* TARGET. ARE YOU ******* STUPID?!?!
Thank you for listening. :) I'd argue that the Swarm Launcher is an even greater Hard Counter than the FG due to being an explosive weapon, and still a primary at the same time. But even they are useless against them.
I wouldn't, they don't have the stats to back that theory. It's a light counter weapon, that deals extra armor damage to deal with the speedier armor tanks forges struggle to deal with.
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
Dirt Nap Squad.
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Posted - 2014.04.30 20:37:00 -
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Atiim wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Atiim wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Guys, it's a tank that nothing any single infantry can possibly do about.
There is no other fitting in this entire game to do this, the forge is designed to be a hard counter, while the swarms is more the way for infantry to give a light counter.
A hard counter should NEVER EVER ******* BE RENDERED USELESS AGAINST ITS INTDED ******* TARGET. ARE YOU ******* STUPID?!?!
Thank you for listening. :) I'd argue that the Swarm Launcher is an even greater Hard Counter than the FG due to being an explosive weapon, and still a primary at the same time. But even they are useless against them. I wouldn't, they don't have the stats to back that theory. It's a light counter weapon, that deals extra armor damage to deal with the speedier armor tanks forges struggle to deal with. I mean against Armored HAVs, or at least supposed to be...
It isn't even as SP expensive as the Forge. Another sign of a 'light' counter weapon.
If it had the ability to actually take ANY sort of vehicle above MLT in this game, I would give it up to you. But my Saga II quite literally ignores swarms as flea bites. If swarms can't even hard counter LAV - then what makes you think they could be considered one for HAV's?
If anything, there real purpose is anti-air, or, actually, not even that. Would need a longer lock on range lol
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.05.01 17:53:00 -
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Spkr4theDead wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:So...
1. You want tankers to give up Large Blaster Turrets or make them ineffective against infantry.
2. You want to be able to kill HAVs just as easily and fast as you kill other infantry.
So, in return...
1. Can we tankers have the ability to fit small turrets as main turret for our HAVs?
2. Can we tankers have the ability to drive HAVs indoors and in tight spaces generally?
3. Can we tankers have the ability to hack points and deploy/use equipment with our HAVs?
4. Can we tankers have the ability to turn our turrets and hulls as fast as you can turn your dropsuits and aim to all directions?
Or do you just want to take everything and give nothing in return?
So, which thing do you want us to give up and what are you willing to give back in return?
Pick 1-2 from each category (but the same amount of options from both). Do you really believe this crap? I've been gone, away from the debates, but, really? You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? You're really going to take that seriously? Don't you have some pubs to stomp as a 6-man we-never-use-ADV-only-PRO squad against a team of fresh academy graduates?
Is a tanker really calling someone out on proto stomping?
Really?? Is that how dumb this community has gotten? Or is it just Spkr being Spkr?
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SoTa PoP
Heaven's Lost Property
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:16:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:Spkr4theDead wrote:SoTa PoP wrote:MarasdF Loron wrote:So...
1. You want tankers to give up Large Blaster Turrets or make them ineffective against infantry.
2. You want to be able to kill HAVs just as easily and fast as you kill other infantry.
So, in return...
1. Can we tankers have the ability to fit small turrets as main turret for our HAVs?
2. Can we tankers have the ability to drive HAVs indoors and in tight spaces generally?
3. Can we tankers have the ability to hack points and deploy/use equipment with our HAVs?
4. Can we tankers have the ability to turn our turrets and hulls as fast as you can turn your dropsuits and aim to all directions?
Or do you just want to take everything and give nothing in return?
So, which thing do you want us to give up and what are you willing to give back in return?
Pick 1-2 from each category (but the same amount of options from both). Do you really believe this crap? I've been gone, away from the debates, but, really? You guys know you cost way too little for your effectiveness, what defense could you possibly say? If you want to stay cheap - then buff AV. One or the other, pick. Which is it? You're really going to take that seriously? Don't you have some pubs to stomp as a 6-man we-never-use-ADV-only-PRO squad against a team of fresh academy graduates? Is a tanker really calling someone out on proto stomping? Really?? Is that how dumb this community has gotten? Or is it just Sperger being Sperger? fixed that for Ya.
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SoTa PoP
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Posted - 2014.05.01 18:33:00 -
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Soldner VonKuechle wrote:Last line quoted from you.
Can't bold quotes on my phone because the forums and my s3 hate each other.
I see the change, I just don't get what it implies.
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